From Caveman's Diary...

[StyxCollector]

As I just said in the other thread, Schon doesn't hate Caveman. I think Arrival and the fiasco around it soured the working, not personal relationship. And Shirley works with some large acts, and has history with Journey. He even remixed one of the songs from Generations a few years back for I think the US release.

So it's not like this is unheard of. And if Perry is back, he can handle him.

[NoMoreTails]

Haven't Cyndy and/or Lora said that Perry will not return?

[finalfight]

Update from Kevin Shirley's website - http://www.cavemanproductions.com/cavediary.htm

______________ThursdayNovember1st2007San Francisco , CA

Up in San Francisco for a couple of weeks - it's foggy. Went for a bike ride along the bay - had flashbacks to working here with Steve Perry and the J-boys in 1996.

[Gibby]

If someone could find out if Arnel is currently performing with The Zoo, that would narrow things down a bit. If he's with The Zoo right now while Shirley is recording Journey, then it would be pretty safe to assume someone else is singing.

[ohsherrie]

Haven't Cyndy and/or Lora said that Perry will not return?

Lora has. I don't know why this is still going on.

[StyxCollector]

Haven't Cyndy and/or Lora said that Perry will not return?

Lora has. I don't know why this is still going on.

Because people in fantasy land. And quite frankly, it's entertaining as hell.

[conversationpc]

Haven't Cyndy and/or Lora said that Perry will not return?

Lora has. I don't know why this is still going on.

Because people in fantasy land. And quite frankly, it's entertaining as hell.

Are you kidding? This is REALLY boring compared to the lipping scandal and the JSS fiasco.

[ohsherrie]

Haven't Cyndy and/or Lora said that Perry will not return?

Lora has. I don't know why this is still going on.

Because people in fantasy land. And quite frankly, it's entertaining as hell.

Are you kidding? This is REALLY boring compared to the lipping scandal and the JSS fiasco.

Hey, you take what you can get.

[m]

Is it Journey in the studio with Kevin Shirley?

yes

ok, that's just evil, lol

You could have added "and, no, boneheads, it's not with SP"

but, noooooo! you had to fan the flames....

lol

evil, evil, evil....

[Arkansas]

So what are they doing in the studio?

New demos for a new album? (domestic or abroad)
One or two songs for yet another GH/compilation?
Maybe a song for an upcoming movie soundtrack? (like they did when SA was new)
Some last minute Cmas music to float out on iTunes?
Or, just basic tracks for someone else to work with and possibly put vocals on?

Heaven forbid they're re-recording old stuff ... geez.


later~

[Jeremey]

So what are they doing in the studio?

One or two songs for yet another GH/compilation?

Heaven forbid they're re-recording old stuff ... geez.


later~

I didn't see enough material (maybe 2 or 3 songs) when I was out there. I know there was an idea floated while JSS was still in the band that was still up in the air during my time there but was still very much a possibility. It's a business, folks.

[NoMoreTails]

Maybe Shirley was there recording merely for tour promo spots, that may take only a couple of days...though you'd think Elson would handle that, perhaps he is on tour with someone else currently.

[brywool]

:roll:
Christ Almighty, don't let Shirley anywhere NEAR Journey again.

NO KIDDING

Well if whispers of perry's return have substance to them, and they record, i'll bet it WILL be Shirley, ergo another snoozefest.

I don't know if it was Shirley who made it a snoozefest or Sony. NOT TO MENTION the writing for that album. There are some pretty bad songs on that record. There are also one or two greats, but more often than not, it's a boring album.

[Red13JoePa]

I don't think there is ONE great song on it. OM, CB and MOL come closest.

But it's all a bunch of good separate musical parts that never gelled into even 1 great Journey song.

Strangrey would say that the tension (musical tightness) was not there.

[Memorex]

I don't think there is ONE great song on it. OM, CB and MOL come closest.

But it's all a bunch of good separate musical parts that never gelled into even 1 great Journey song.

Strangrey would say that the tension (musical tightness) was not there.

Wow. I could not disagree more. I think it's their best work, by far.

[Arkansas]

TBF may be somewhat of a snooze. But sonically, I think it's the best sounding Journey record ever. From the thundering lows up to the crisp powdery highs, this album has such a great expansive sound to it. I don't listen to it for the songs...I listen to it for the sound.

Now then, Arrival had issues. It was muddy and compressed...maybe over-produced. And this may seem odd, but I think most of Arrival's problems can be attributed to the fact that it was recorded in New York. I think the band was a fish outta water and everyone tried too hard. There are some pretty good songs on it, however, it would probably have sounded better, and maybe have made the songs a little better, if the album had been done in the Bay Area where the band belongs. Schon tried to improve the album by adding a couple of SF-recorded songs, but as good as they were, the songs made the album seem a little disjointed. If I had the means, I'd like to take that album apart and remix/remaster/redo it.


later~

[Saint John]

TBF may be somewhat of a snooze. But sonically, I think it's the best sounding Journey record ever. From the thundering lows up to the crisp powdery highs, this album has such a great expansive sound to it. I don't listen to it for the songs...I listen to it for the sound.

Now then, Arrival had issues. It was muddy and compressed...maybe over-produced. And this may seem odd, but I think most of Arrival's problems can be attributed to the fact that it was recorded in New York. I think the band was a fish outta water and everyone tried too hard. There are some pretty good songs on it, however, it would probably have sounded better, and maybe have made the songs a little better, if the album had been done in the Bay Area where the band belongs. Schon tried to improve the album by adding a couple of SF-recorded songs, but as good as they were, the songs made the album seem a little disjointed. If I had the means, I'd like to take that album apart and remix/remaster/redo it.


later~

Excellent, excellent post. I agree almost 100%. However, I do think TBF has a few good songs that warrant listening to because they're musically and vocally excellent, as well as brilliantly produced.

[NealIsGod]

TBF may be somewhat of a snooze. But sonically, I think it's the best sounding Journey record ever. From the thundering lows up to the crisp powdery highs, this album has such a great expansive sound to it. I don't listen to it for the songs...I listen to it for the sound.

That's like admiring the ridges and texture of a turd.

[conversationpc]

TBF may be somewhat of a snooze. But sonically, I think it's the best sounding Journey record ever. From the thundering lows up to the crisp powdery highs, this album has such a great expansive sound to it. I don't listen to it for the songs...I listen to it for the sound.

That's like admiring the ridges and texture of a turd.

Do you do that very often?

[PROPERRY]

I think TBF is an excellent cd! It has alot of great songs that I enjoy listening to very much, and I think the ALL the band members musicianship skills SHINED on this cd!!!

[Deb]

TBF may be somewhat of a snooze. But sonically, I think it's the best sounding Journey record ever. From the thundering lows up to the crisp powdery highs, this album has such a great expansive sound to it. I don't listen to it for the songs...I listen to it for the sound.

That's like admiring the ridges and texture of a turd.

Do you do that very often?

[Arkansas]

TBF may be somewhat of a snooze. But sonically, I think it's the best sounding Journey record ever. From the thundering lows up to the crisp powdery highs, this album has such a great expansive sound to it. I don't listen to it for the songs...I listen to it for the sound.

Now then, Arrival had issues. It was muddy and compressed...maybe over-produced. And this may seem odd, but I think most of Arrival's problems can be attributed to the fact that it was recorded in New York. I think the band was a fish outta water and everyone tried too hard. There are some pretty good songs on it, however, it would probably have sounded better, and maybe have made the songs a little better, if the album had been done in the Bay Area where the band belongs. Schon tried to improve the album by adding a couple of SF-recorded songs, but as good as they were, the songs made the album seem a little disjointed. If I had the means, I'd like to take that album apart and remix/remaster/redo it.


later~

Excellent, excellent post. I agree almost 100%. However, I do think TBF has a few good songs that warrant listening to because they're musically and vocally excellent, as well as brilliantly produced.

Oh I agree. There are some very well written songs on TBF...including those that just kinda come out of left field that bring a freshness to it all. But overall, I like the sonic of the entire album better than any one song. It's adult contemporary, but it's loud and in your face. And even the softer stuff (It's Just The Rain) has so much soul & passion to it, yet it's crisp and edgy. Again, maybe not the hard rock album that a lot of people wanted, but it does have legs of its own. If there's a comparison, I'd say it's like Yes or Asia, but with a biting pop to it. However, it's an album that pretty much stands alone.

On the other hand, Arrival was geared toward classic Journey too much. So much so, that there was no clear direction and it became a collage of sorts.

If Kevin Shirley truly is working with Journey, I'm very curious to see where this new stuff goes...regardless of the current lead singer.

later~

[Rockindeano]

I didn't see enough material (maybe 2 or 3 songs) when I was out there. I know there was an idea floated while JSS was still in the band that was still up in the air during my time there but was still very much a possibility. It's a business, folks.

If it is what I think you are referring to, then I can only close my eyes and shake my head....a million times.

Unbelievable.

[EightyRock]

I'd be willing to bet they are re-recording some of their old catalog with Arnel, with maybe a song or two thrown it so it doesn't look like they are total loads.. If that's what they are doing, it says all anybody ever needs to know about Journey without Perry. They are creatively BANKRUPT and lost the person that held them to standards they no longer have.

[journeyrock]

I didn't see enough material (maybe 2 or 3 songs) when I was out there. I know there was an idea floated while JSS was still in the band that was still up in the air during my time there but was still very much a possibility. It's a business, folks.

If it is what I think you are referring to, then I can only close my eyes and shake my head....a million times.

Unbelievable.

If it's what I'm thinking, doesn't it require Perry's blessing? Or am I all washed up. And yes, if that is it, freakin unbelievable is right.

[Arkansas]

I didn't see enough material (maybe 2 or 3 songs) when I was out there. I know there was an idea floated while JSS was still in the band that was still up in the air during my time there but was still very much a possibility. It's a business, folks.

If it is what I think you are referring to, then I can only close my eyes and shake my head....a million times.

Unbelievable.

If it's what I'm thinking, doesn't it require Perry's blessing? Or am I all washed up. And yes, if that is it, freakin unbelievable is right.

Maybe they do have Perry's blessing...by way of Kevin Shirley.

Quite honestly, just as athletes graduate from players to coaches, I always thought it'd be cool for Perry to recruit his own replacement and become the band's producer. Too bad egos got in the way. Why can't musicians do the same as athletes? Rolie recruited Cain. Why couldn't Perry be a project consultant for Journey? Regardless of singer, why can't Perry still have a hand in Journey today?

I for one think it'd be pretty darned cool.


later~

[annie89509]

I think they are now re-recording the Dirty Dozen with the new voice. Lora kind of alluded to this possibility in a brief one-line post a month or so ago. Now Jeremey says he encountered hints of it.

Another thought to stir the pot a little. Remember when Neal (during the height of the JSS-saving Journey euphoria) said they're thinking of "modernizing" their old hits as among one of their future projects? Almost everyone hated the idea and voiced it in no uncertain terms to JSS, as he was a somewhat regular poster here at the time. Later, this came up in one of JSS's promotion interviews somewhere. He said in print that it was an idea but is being dropped, because he didn't think he could do those songs any better than SP. He'd rather create new Journey songs and leave those old hits alone, because that is how hardcore fans remember them.

Fast forward a few months or so, JSS is unceremoniously fired. Do you think maybe there is just a little power play at work here? JSS didn't want to tamper with SP's songs (leaving it the way it was for us fans) but Neal/Jon did (seeing how Jon re-working Faithfully made it up the charts).

Or am I just way off base?