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Postby Rhiannon » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:39 pm

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:she's right. those AP classes are great. my daughter started college with 15 college hours AP credit.

Great job!! good luck to you.


I did that too, with dual enrollment. Was a second semester Sophomore AND graduated HS a semester early. Still took my sweet ass time getting through college though... :lol:
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:40 pm

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(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:she's right. those AP classes are great. my daughter started college with 15 college hours AP credit.

Great job!! good luck to you.


I did that too, with dual enrollment. Was a second semester Sophomore AND graduated HS a semester early. Still took my sweet ass time getting through college though... :lol:


hehe

my daughter finished in 3 years and got in Master's in 2 semesters and a summer session.

dang overachievers........... :lol:
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Postby heardonthestreet » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:41 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:Being either Democrat or Republican would compromise my desire to live life objectively; it's pointless to subscribe to one deluded or one rigid faction in life. Be it social, political, or practical. One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.



Alright. At least tell me which party you consider deluded and which is rigid? :wink:
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Postby Rhiannon » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:43 pm

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:
Blue Radio Girl wrote:
(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:she's right. those AP classes are great. my daughter started college with 15 college hours AP credit.

Great job!! good luck to you.


I did that too, with dual enrollment. Was a second semester Sophomore AND graduated HS a semester early. Still took my sweet ass time getting through college though... :lol:


hehe

my daughter finished in 3 years and got in Master's in 2 semesters and a summer session.

dang overachievers........... :lol:


I am impressed. I was more concerned with "seeing the world" which I think equated to "skipping class to take a nap at the lake with my boyfriend." Good for your daughter, that's really awesome. 8)
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Postby Voyager » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:44 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.


With Journey's new singer being a latino, that's a plus.

8)
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:44 pm

Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:47 pm

Voyager wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.


With Journey's new singer being a latino, that's a plus.

8)


An example of the type of comments that led to my posting here. Race nor sex nor age factor in at all. It's a pity that it does with some people.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:48 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.


With Journey's new singer being a latino, that's a plus.

8)


An example of the type of comments that led to my posting here. Race nor sex nor age factor in at all. It's a pity that it does with some people.


Oh c'mon dude - don't get on a pulpit. You were doing great.

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Postby heardonthestreet » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:49 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.




If any singer trys to cover Perry's "Somethin To Hide", I'll put an Irish curse on them. :evil:
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Postby LAKERSFAN » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:52 pm

Voyager wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.


With Journey's new singer being a latino, that's a plus.

8)


Huh? He's filipino. Is this supposed to be funny?
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Postby Saint John » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:52 pm

heardonthestreet wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.




If any singer trys to cover Perry's "Somethin To Hide", I'll put an Irish curse on them. :evil:



Or you could just open your legs and subject them to Mustard Gas.
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:52 pm

As I've stated in the original post, it was never my intention to come off as sermonizing. Most of you here are my elder and it is therefore not my place to lecture. You're entitled (and encouraged!) to have your own opinion. I'm not here to change it. Merely to express mine. :)
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:05 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.


well, lil brother, we'll agree to disagree on this point cuz it is not necessary for JSS to tackle SP's higher register in order to be validated, even though Jeff did tackle it, thank you very much. and he most certainly can and did tackle Journey's demanding catalogue. consistently. I went to 10 shows.

Jeff is just fine like he is. SP doesn't need to be imitated nor do we want anyone to try to be him. JSS is JSS........SP is SP. leave it at that.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:05 pm

Sorry, I've been watching Dog The Bounty Hunter too much.

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Postby Voyager » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:09 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:Most of you here are my elder and it is therefore not my place to lecture. You're entitled (and encouraged!) to have your own opinion. I'm not here to change it. Merely to express mine. :)


Sorry, I was just joking with you. Journey has become the brunt of many jokes on here lately. I was not meaning to be racist. I would be cracking jokes if the new guy was white, Chinese, African American, or a midget.

:lol:
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Postby Deb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:09 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.


Yep, that's what makes this place great, all the differing views. That's where we differ, it's never been about the range for me, even with Perry's voice. Pretty much love most of the catalogue of songs over the years, but I actually preferred his more husky, earthy vocals in Frontiers/ROR/TBF over the glass-shattering highs of the early material........just more soulful to me. :)
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:17 pm

LAKERSFAN wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.


With Journey's new singer being a latino, that's a plus.

8)


Huh? He's filipino. Is this supposed to be funny?


it is my understanding that the spanish settled the phillipines. they are of asian decent but have spanish names.
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:17 pm

I'm not here to offend or upset anyone, and no offense, it seems from the nature of your post that my opinion has upset you. And it seems you've misconstrued my post entirely:

well, lil brother, we'll agree to disagree on this point cuz it is not necessary for JSS to tackle SP's higher register in order to be validated,


Did I ever say that JSS had to tackle Perry's higher register in order to be validated? No. I thought I had made it explicitly clear that I thought JSS was absurdly brilliant on stage as a singer and as a frontman, and if not, please consider this my reiteration. JSS sang Journey songs his own way and he did it with warm reception.

even though Jeff did tackle it, thank you very much.


JSS hit "Lay It Down", "Something to Hide", and the plethora of other high register songs live? And did it well? I don't suppose you'd have some proof in the form of a video or an MP3, would you? Because I find that very hard to believe.

and he most certainly can and did tackle Journey's demanding catalogue. consistently. I went to 10 shows.


You seem to be confusing the issue. JSS sang Journey's catalogue his own way and judging from the performances he dished out, he cannot match Perry's tenor. This is neither an insult nor a detraction, merely a statement of observation. I'll happily recant this opinion if I can be proven wrong.

Jeff is just fine like he is. SP doesn't need to be imitated nor do we want anyone to try to be him. JSS is JSS........SP is SP. leave it at that.


With all due respect, I never said he was sub-par or not fine. I would ask that you handle my opinion with more respect and dignity than to immediately become defensive.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:17 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.



Steve Perry was a vocal acrobat in his early Journey days. Jeff, like most singers, couldn't sniff his upper register on certain songs. Not his or anyone else's fault. God chose to give Steve Perry those one in a billion pipes.
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:23 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:With all due respect, I never said he was sub-par or not fine. I would ask that you handle my opinion with more respect and dignity than to immediately become defensive.


don't attack if you don't want defensive. then, handle my opinion that way too.

save it. I'm done. sorry drew. sorry jeff.
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:27 pm

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:With all due respect, I never said he was sub-par or not fine. I would ask that you handle my opinion with more respect and dignity than to immediately become defensive.


don't attack if you don't want defensive. then, handle my opinion that way too.

save it. I'm done. sorry drew. sorry jeff.


Ma'am, I don't recall ever attacking your opinion. I merely disagreed with it. And I did so in a polite, respectful way. I'm not so passionate about something that I immediately lose my cool in a discussion; it's pointless. JSS is a fine talent and I've not said an ill word about him. You've elected to interpret my objective statements as a personal attack on one of your favorite singers. They aren't nor are they intended to be.
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Postby pedro » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:27 pm

your parents did a great job of raising of. you should be an example to some oldies here who..... ah nevermind.
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:30 pm

pedro wrote:your parents did a great job of raising of. you should be an example to some oldies here who..... ah nevermind.


Thanks.

My parents are great, especially my Dad.
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Postby Deb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:33 pm

Saint John wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.



Steve Perry was a vocal acrobat in his early Journey days. Jeff, like most singers, couldn't sniff his upper register on certain songs. Not his or anyone else's fault. God chose to give Steve Perry those one in a billion pipes.


Now that I can agree wtih.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:34 pm

This "Strange Medicine" kid is one smart motherfucker. Love the vocabulary, tone and intellect in your posts. I'm impressed. You might be disarming Debbie a bit on this board youngster, but I have a pocket full of money that says she'd kick your balls into your stomach in person. :lol:
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:35 pm

Deb wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Strange Medicine wrote:
Deb wrote:Just my opinion, but Augeri didn't add enough originality into Journey for me. And I know Arnel won't either, if I want to listen to somebody who sounds just like Perry, I'll listen to Perry himself. And I think Soto would do a great job on Lay It Down. After listening to the majority of his back catalogue, the guy has got more range and soulful motown delivery than most give him credit for. When he first became lead singer, there was 2 songs that I absolutely love because of SP's passionate delivery and soaring vocals and wondered what JSS would sound like on them. To my surprise, one he performed in Virginia (just saw the footage).....Only The Young....and he pulled it off fabulously. Sadly, I'll probably never hear JSS's version of Still They Ride.

SM, agree with your take on TBF. :)


Then we will agree to disagree (nothing wrong with that). :)

But nothing I've seen or heard from JSS -- live or otherwise -- has led me to believe that he could tackle Steve Perry's more demanding catalogue and higher registers.



Steve Perry was a vocal acrobat in his early Journey days. Jeff, like most singers, couldn't sniff his upper register on certain songs. Not his or anyone else's fault. God chose to give Steve Perry those one in a billion pipes.


Now that I can agree wtih.


A superior statement expressing the same idea, Saint John. Thanks.

Edit: I hope not. Journey fans are the deadliest to contend with.
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Postby squirt1 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:40 pm

Welcome ! I can't believe you are 16. YOu speak as someone 10 yrs older or more with education. Perry was the hit maker, Augeri got a paycheck for 8yrs. abd Jeff was moving them back upwards. My band has probably shot off every appendige they were born with because of poor judgemebt and narcissism.
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Postby Strange Medicine » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:43 pm

squirt1 wrote:Welcome ! I can't believe you are 16. YOu speak as someone 10 yrs older or more with education. Perry was the hit maker, Augeri got a paycheck for 8yrs. abd Jeff was moving them back upwards. My band has probably shot off every appendige they were born with because of poor judgemebt and narcissism.


I'm considered gifted in English and verbal mastery, but I'm absolutely shitty [the only word in my lexicon that can describe the level of mediocrity I perform at :twisted: ] in math or anything else other than English and history. I'm literary by nature, analytical in practice.


Edit: Speaking of which, history has shown us examples of short men with incredulous accounts of narcissism. Mr. Bonaparte. Mr. Hitler. Mr... Schon? 8)
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Postby Playitloudforme » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:11 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:Being either Democrat or Republican would compromise my desire to live life objectively; it's pointless to subscribe to one deluded or one rigid faction in life. Be it social, political, or practical. One must be open to different interpretations. At least in my world.


Your parents did a phenominal job raising you. Dang.
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:23 pm

Strange Medicine wrote:[Edit: Speaking of which, history has shown us examples of short men with incredulous accounts of narcissism. Mr. Bonaparte. Mr. Hitler. Mr... Schon? 8)


that's not a personal attack?? oh, it's ok cuz it's your 'opinion'.

3 strikes for you. jeff, me and now neal. go away. :evil:

(missing Shaw/Blades tonight is making me kinda grouchy huh, y'all?)

goodnight
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