Arnel In Perspective

[NealIsGod]

Neal shreds, Deen rocks, John smokes the keys...hell yah I'm looking forward to a show soon!! HELLS YAH!

Neal shreds every chance of making this band relevant again by making shitty decisions.
Deen rocks at acting like the "hired help" Jon and Neal expect him to be by letting them run this band into the dirt.
Jon blows smoke up everyone's asses with all his talk and "good guy" image, when in reality he's got a bigger power-trip
than Neal and is even more content than Neal to just live off of the Perry-era Magic.

Arnel, probably a good guy about to make a really bad decision that he will regret in a few years.
Sure, he'll make some money, get to play to some big crowds and get to play w/ some great musicians.
But it will all end badly for him when either Neal and Jon decide to put this band to rest permanently after
a few years of Arnel only being allowed to sing Perry's material or they will just get rid of him.

Good Luck, Arnel. You may want to "carry the torch Perry lit" but don't be surprised if it burns your ass

Carl, this post reeks of sour grapes. Why is it that when Jeff accepted the gig it was OK? Why wasn't it a "really bad decision" then? Oh wait, I know why. Because coming on the heels of TapeGate we didn't know Jon, Neal and Azoff management weren't sinister, cunning, cut throat businessmen. Riiiiggghhhtt.

Were you here back then? Many of us thought JSS was not a good fit at first but he won us over. Let's see if your new boyfriend can do that.

Whether or not he was or wasn't a "good fit" has nothing to do with actually accepting or declining the gig. And I certainly didn't see anyone photoshopping Jeff eating tacos or stomping cockroaches, which would be the equivalent (and ridiculous) stereotype Arnel has been subjected to with this whole "dog eating" thing. And as far as "boyfriends" go, I'm not the sap with "Neal Is God" as my handle.

Sorry, can't hear you with Arnel's dick in your mouth. Let's keep it lighthearted, SJ. We gotta pound beers in a few weeks.

[Saint John]

Neal shreds, Deen rocks, John smokes the keys...hell yah I'm looking forward to a show soon!! HELLS YAH!

Neal shreds every chance of making this band relevant again by making shitty decisions.
Deen rocks at acting like the "hired help" Jon and Neal expect him to be by letting them run this band into the dirt.
Jon blows smoke up everyone's asses with all his talk and "good guy" image, when in reality he's got a bigger power-trip
than Neal and is even more content than Neal to just live off of the Perry-era Magic.

Arnel, probably a good guy about to make a really bad decision that he will regret in a few years.
Sure, he'll make some money, get to play to some big crowds and get to play w/ some great musicians.
But it will all end badly for him when either Neal and Jon decide to put this band to rest permanently after
a few years of Arnel only being allowed to sing Perry's material or they will just get rid of him.

Good Luck, Arnel. You may want to "carry the torch Perry lit" but don't be surprised if it burns your ass

Carl, this post reeks of sour grapes. Why is it that when Jeff accepted the gig it was OK? Why wasn't it a "really bad decision" then? Oh wait, I know why. Because coming on the heels of TapeGate we didn't know Jon, Neal and Azoff management weren't sinister, cunning, cut throat businessmen. Riiiiggghhhtt.

Were you here back then? Many of us thought JSS was not a good fit at first but he won us over. Let's see if your new boyfriend can do that.

Whether or not he was or wasn't a "good fit" has nothing to do with actually accepting or declining the gig. And I certainly didn't see anyone photoshopping Jeff eating tacos or stomping cockroaches, which would be the equivalent (and ridiculous) stereotype Arnel has been subjected to with this whole "dog eating" thing. And as far as "boyfriends" go, I'm not the sap with "Neal Is God" as my handle.

Sorry, can't hear you with Arnel's dick in your mouth. Let's keep it lighthearted, SJ. We gotta pound beers in a few weeks.

Not a problem Nig. Luckily, he's hung like a flea.

[NealIsGod]

Not a problem Nig. Luckily, he's hung like a flea.

That's good, SJ. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself. Looking forward to finally meeting you.

[donnaplease]

Neal is hardly a "god" to me, but... I'm digging Niggy's avatar!

[Rhiannon]

Neal is hardly a "god" to me, but... I'm digging Niggy's avatar!

Take a cold shower, will ya Donna?

(I like it too.)

[cscott]

I spoke to someone really important in the music industry today. Of course I had to ask about Journey and their current situation. Apparently, against what I was dreaming for, Arnel Pineda will be Journey's next singer. He was selected, by chance, after Jeff Scott Soto was terminated. Arnel has a wife and several children, including a newborn. For the better part of 20 years he has idolized American AOR. He covers Journey, Bryan Adams, Survivor, Bon Jovi, Heart, The Eagles and countless other American bands. He, like Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto before him, is living out a dream. How long, if at all, it will last, is anyone's guess.
Fast forward to right now. Arnel is currently several thousand miles from home holed up in a hotel away from his family, his country and his home. He's here to do what Steve Augeri and JSS before him did so well. Carry the Journey torch that Steve Perry lit. It's time to give all of the negative bullshit, name calling, and bickering a rest. The dude, I've been told, is scared shitless. I can't imagine what leaving your country, your home and your family behind must be like. The least we can do is show the man the common decency of indifference. If you don't like him, fine. Don't support him, the band or their shows. But when the fuck is the nonstop abuse gonna stop? Let's judge this dude when he performs with Journey and not prior to. If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

Great Post - Intelligent, articulate and right on the money. Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, I think it's way too easy for some to sit at a computer and bash someone when you don't know all of the facts. Arnel will probably work out just fine. And for what it's worth, even though many disagree with how some of the decisions are executed in the Journey camp, so far the decisions have worked out. Case in point, SA wasn't readily accepted by many, but with him at the helm, Journey did go from relative obscurity to playing large venues again. When they dismissed SA and brought on JSS, they had one of their most sucessful tours in years. Is Arnel a bad decision? I don't think so. As much as we outsiders think that Frig and Fro are idiots at times, we have to at least admit to the fact that they have spent 30 years or better in a high profile position in the music biz that we have not, and probably know a thing or two as a result of it. Could they handle thier business decisions with more class? Probably. But we have to remember that it is THEIR business, not ours. They are the merchant, we are the customer. Customer's don't get to decide who the next employee will be. We do however get to decide where we shop, so if you don't like Arnel, don't shop there. But don't condemn the rest of us customers who may still want to shop at the Journey store so to speak.

[Journey69]

I spoke to someone really important in the music industry today. Of course I had to ask about Journey and their current situation. Apparently, against what I was dreaming for, Arnel Pineda will be Journey's next singer. He was selected, by chance, after Jeff Scott Soto was terminated. Arnel has a wife and several children, including a newborn. For the better part of 20 years he has idolized American AOR. He covers Journey, Bryan Adams, Survivor, Bon Jovi, Heart, The Eagles and countless other American bands. He, like Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto before him, is living out a dream. How long, if at all, it will last, is anyone's guess.
Fast forward to right now. Arnel is currently several thousand miles from home holed up in a hotel away from his family, his country and his home. He's here to do what Steve Augeri and JSS before him did so well. Carry the Journey torch that Steve Perry lit. It's time to give all of the negative bullshit, name calling, and bickering a rest. The dude, I've been told, is scared shitless. I can't imagine what leaving your country, your home and your family behind must be like. The least we can do is show the man the common decency of indifference. If you don't like him, fine. Don't support him, the band or their shows. But when the fuck is the nonstop abuse gonna stop? Let's judge this dude when he performs with Journey and not prior to. If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

That was an impressive statement Saint John! I agree 100%.. Are you sure he is the new lead singer? How reliable is your source?

[Saint John]

I spoke to someone really important in the music industry today. Of course I had to ask about Journey and their current situation. Apparently, against what I was dreaming for, Arnel Pineda will be Journey's next singer. He was selected, by chance, after Jeff Scott Soto was terminated. Arnel has a wife and several children, including a newborn. For the better part of 20 years he has idolized American AOR. He covers Journey, Bryan Adams, Survivor, Bon Jovi, Heart, The Eagles and countless other American bands. He, like Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto before him, is living out a dream. How long, if at all, it will last, is anyone's guess.
Fast forward to right now. Arnel is currently several thousand miles from home holed up in a hotel away from his family, his country and his home. He's here to do what Steve Augeri and JSS before him did so well. Carry the Journey torch that Steve Perry lit. It's time to give all of the negative bullshit, name calling, and bickering a rest. The dude, I've been told, is scared shitless. I can't imagine what leaving your country, your home and your family behind must be like. The least we can do is show the man the common decency of indifference. If you don't like him, fine. Don't support him, the band or their shows. But when the fuck is the nonstop abuse gonna stop? Let's judge this dude when he performs with Journey and not prior to. If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

That was an impressive statement Saint John! I agree 100%.. Are you sure he is the new lead singer? How reliable is your source?

Source is very relaible. Corroborate that with what Lora Beard said and I'd say that makes it as close to 100% as you can get. Things are said to be going well.

[Journey69]

I spoke to someone really important in the music industry today. Of course I had to ask about Journey and their current situation. Apparently, against what I was dreaming for, Arnel Pineda will be Journey's next singer. He was selected, by chance, after Jeff Scott Soto was terminated. Arnel has a wife and several children, including a newborn. For the better part of 20 years he has idolized American AOR. He covers Journey, Bryan Adams, Survivor, Bon Jovi, Heart, The Eagles and countless other American bands. He, like Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto before him, is living out a dream. How long, if at all, it will last, is anyone's guess.
Fast forward to right now. Arnel is currently several thousand miles from home holed up in a hotel away from his family, his country and his home. He's here to do what Steve Augeri and JSS before him did so well. Carry the Journey torch that Steve Perry lit. It's time to give all of the negative bullshit, name calling, and bickering a rest. The dude, I've been told, is scared shitless. I can't imagine what leaving your country, your home and your family behind must be like. The least we can do is show the man the common decency of indifference. If you don't like him, fine. Don't support him, the band or their shows. But when the fuck is the nonstop abuse gonna stop? Let's judge this dude when he performs with Journey and not prior to. If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

That was an impressive statement Saint John! I agree 100%.. Are you sure he is the new lead singer? How reliable is your source?

Source is very relaible. Corroborate that with what Lora Beard said and I'd say that makes it as close to 100% as you can get. Things are said to be going well.

Awesome! Can't wait to hear him live or on a new cd..I'm assuming they will tour 1st to get his feet wet..Then do an album.. I'm sure they are probably working on the rough edges right now.. I'm very curious to see what the new guy is capable of..

[*Laura]

I spoke to someone really important in the music industry today. Of course I had to ask about Journey and their current situation. Apparently, against what I was dreaming for, Arnel Pineda will be Journey's next singer. He was selected, by chance, after Jeff Scott Soto was terminated. Arnel has a wife and several children, including a newborn. For the better part of 20 years he has idolized American AOR. He covers Journey, Bryan Adams, Survivor, Bon Jovi, Heart, The Eagles and countless other American bands. He, like Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto before him, is living out a dream. How long, if at all, it will last, is anyone's guess.
Fast forward to right now. Arnel is currently several thousand miles from home holed up in a hotel away from his family, his country and his home. He's here to do what Steve Augeri and JSS before him did so well. Carry the Journey torch that Steve Perry lit. It's time to give all of the negative bullshit, name calling, and bickering a rest. The dude, I've been told, is scared shitless. I can't imagine what leaving your country, your home and your family behind must be like. The least we can do is show the man the common decency of indifference. If you don't like him, fine. Don't support him, the band or their shows. But when the fuck is the nonstop abuse gonna stop? Let's judge this dude when he performs with Journey and not prior to. If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

Well,finally.Thank you,Dan.I went nuts all these months knowing for a fact that Arnel was already chosen.It was frustrating to not be able to discuss that here.
There were so many fans that simply refused to believe that this singer can really do this job.There was so much bitternes and hatred...How can anyone have a good sane debate in a hostile environment?

You are so right,Dan.Arnel is one of the most talented singers out there.Whatever problems he has with diction or stage presence are minor issues compared to his talent.I believe he will be just fine.More,I'm sure that Arnel is determined to give his best,regardless of the emotions that must be flooring him.The pressure is huge,but it will probably diminish after the first show.

I am supporting this line-up.Don't care how I'll be labeled because of that.Arnel deserves every ounce of respect for his skills and his guts to fill in the oversized Perry shoes.
As for Journey,I hope they finally know what to do with this golden goose.They'd better make a killer album if they want to regain some respect.At least musically speaking.

[Journey69]

Ahhh the tide is turning and they haven't even performed one concert. I'm not sure who it was, but someone predicted this would happen. I figured it would be after the first couple of shows, but here we go!

I guess that's why everyone on this board is here in the first place. Should be no surprise. WTF. If i can relive the good ol days, I'll do it. You'll do that when you get to be half way to ninety. Bring em on. I'll buy a ticket. Buy too many overpriced beers. Get caught up in the moment. Go home and read this stuff again until the next year. Do it all again. Life has become predictable. It will be worth it if my wife has fun at the concert though. This all reminds me of a long running soap opera. Ten years later, the story line is the same and people tune in daily knowing such.

By the way, nothing against Arnel. Congrats and good luck.

In retrospect, this internet shit has screwed up many things. In 1979, I'm sure glad I didn't have to read about the pissed off fans when Journey dumped Ansley Dunbar, or when they ran off Rollie. Back when you just waited for the next album or tour. But here I am, so what the F am I complaining about.

PS..Rollie ran himself off..He even said so in an interview on VH1..He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars... Some people just get tired of touring..The money isn't worth it anymore.. Why do you think our boy SP is sitting at home living his life?

[*Laura]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

[mistiejourney]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Gregg Rolie was interviewed recently (within the last eight months, or so) on the Greg Kihn show here in the SF area, and he said he was so tired, so exhuasted and he wanted to be with/start (can't remember which one) his family. Didn't hear sour grapes from him at all and this was in 2007!

[Journey69]

A Journey reunion with SP would be the biggest thing ever in rock.

With that being said, no one owes me anything. I have bought the releases, seen the concerts, enjoyed the music daily since it all happened. I am a fan of the music and it has brought me to listen to a new singer JSS. I am a Perry fan, not a loon or maniac or anything else that may make me seem like a lunatic.

SP had that "thing", the "it factor", the presence, the charisma and the voice that made it all possible. Jss had it also. With Arnel, I just dont see it. All of the links have shown him in his "element", singing and forgetting lyrics, being below par for a professional. (which I am sure is what he would refer to himself as, a professionial singer)He is going to need alot of training and structure to become the crutch that this band needs to pull it all off again and bring it all together.

As far as him being scared, that says alot. Singing is something that is a part of you. It is deep seeded into your gut, you eat, drink, sleep music. Fear should never be a factor, it will cripple you. As, I have said, I just dont see it. He doesn't have the "IT factor".

I will throw a bet out there. Here it is. Twelve hours after the final concert of the 2008 tour, Arnel will get a phone call.....you all know the rest of the story.

**I truly believe that the reason JSS was let go was because both Neal and Jon seen that Jeff was bigger and better than Journey on it's own. They had seen it before with Perry and they weren't going down that road again.**

Your joking right? Everyone on this board has just become dumber for having read your statement! News Flash..Steve Perry isn't coming back ! Also,I would be scared singing in front of 1,000's of people that were just waiting for someone to f'up the material too !

[Journey69]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

[Lora]

Absurd. The reason the guy is scared is because he's been subjected to ridicule and general nastiness, all while being thousands of miles from home with no support group.

He is in the music industry. There will be many critics, he better grow a thick skin. Plus all this sudden BS from you is laughable at the most. You were one of the first to ridicule and say he didnt have what it takes. If you are a man stand up and stand by your comments. There is more flip flopping going on here than in a coin toss before the beginning of a football game.

What did someone threaten you to make you change your mind? You once had some credibility - you have nothing now.

Dan has plenty of credibility. He explained himself quite eloquently and proved he is man enough to re-think and ultimately change an opinion he felt he formed hastily.

[Playitloudforme]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

[swataz]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

Now THAT was a good analogy!

[*Laura]

Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

I like both. *ducking*


Actually,I'm a Pepsi girl.

[Playitloudforme]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

Now THAT was a good analogy!

Thanks. Years of working for a food company makes ya think like that. Consumers are picky. They don't like it when the label is changed, the color changes, it ends up in a different aisle... 10001 reasons for the product to drop in sales.

Coke learned a good lesson. If it's not broken, don't try to fix it. More companies should think that way.

[Playitloudforme]

Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

I like both. *ducking*


Actually,I'm a Pepsi girl.

Move to the US...I'll make ya a Diet coke girl forever....

[Journey69]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

Now THAT was a good analogy!

You miss the point.. Tribute bands play Journey music.. They don't play their own.. Journey wrote the music.. SP can't go on tour and proclaim he is Journey.. Neal and Jon can take another singer and say they are Journey..

[lidobar]

as much as i like steve perry which is a heck of a lot - almost but not quite loon-dom, he didn't exit gracefully like rolie. at least rolie was nice about it, suggested a replacement rather than stringing the other guys along and then telling them to bury the journey name forever because he couldn't go on. that definitely was selfish on his part. oh well, guess they all got what they deserved for being pricks to each other. think karma man.

[Playitloudforme]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

Now THAT was a good analogy!

You miss the point.. Tribute bands play Journey music.. They don't play their own.. Journey wrote the music.. SP can't go on tour and proclaim he is Journey.. Neal and Jon can take another singer and say they are Journey..

No, I didn't miss the point. I'm not referring to Tribute bands. I'm referring to people like Lincoln Brewster, who played the shit outta the songs during Strange Medicine. There's more than one guitarist in the world that can play those songs. Again, I'm not negating what they contributed, but they are not the end all of Journey. It was the SUM of the parts that made Journey successful, or ... not successful.

Neal and Jon can call it Journey, but it is not the same PRODUCT that was put out in 1978 that sold millions. It is a variation of the original. And the original is no longer available.

[finalfight]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

Now THAT was a good analogy!

You miss the point.. Tribute bands play Journey music.. They don't play their own.. Journey wrote the music.. SP can't go on tour and proclaim he is Journey.. Neal and Jon can take another singer and say they are Journey..

No, I didn't miss the point. I'm not referring to Tribute bands. I'm referring to people like Lincoln Brewster, who played the shit outta the songs during Strange Medicine. There's more than one guitarist in the world that can play those songs. Again, I'm not negating what they contributed, but they are not the end all of Journey. It was the SUM of the parts that made Journey successful, or ... not successful.

Neal and Jon can call it Journey, but it is not the same PRODUCT that was put out in 1978 that sold millions. It is a variation of the original. And the original is no longer available.

Wasn't it the 1981 product that sold millions? If so it definitely wasn't the same as the original 'flavour'.

[Playitloudforme]

He said he couldn't pack another suitcase..not even for a million dollars...

That's the public version.

Just as public as SP saying he never really felt like part of the band..And Neal and Jon,looking stunned at that comment.. Then Neal saying something like,I gave him the reigns to the band and let him do whatever he wanted..Then SP saying not to fracture what we have..Because he wanted to quit,so that meant the band should too.. That part isn't up to him.. They were the band,he was part of it.. A big part yes,they were all a big part..You take SP out of Journey,there is still the same type of sound ,the voice can be replaced to a certain extent..Without Neal and Jon,there is no Journey!

And in the same respect, you could put another guitar player and keyboardist and say the same thing. I've heard plenty of bands play Journey songs and sound amazing. I'm not saying Schon & Cain are not good at what they do, but it is replicable.

What made Journey "Journey" was the combination of all the elements. Remove any portion, it's still "Journey", but not in the same strength as the original. Kinda like Coke and New Coke. Wasn't reaaaallly the same. Kinda sounds the same, but isn't. And just like with Coke and new coke...some like it the original version, others embrace the new. Doesn't make either one bad or wrong. OK...new coke sucked, but that's besides the point...

If it's about name recognition, go to someone on the street and ask them if they know who Jonathan Cain is. Then ask them if they know who Steve Perry is. then ask them who Neal Schon is. I'd actually love to run that experiment one of these days, and publish findings on it. I'd 'imagine' the results would be higher on Perry then the other two, but that's a guess.

Will this incarnation of Journey work? Maybe, maybe not. It's not out 'on shelves' yet to tell. I'm still pissed the company keeps 'changing the formula'... I LIKED the last one, and to me, it made the product great again. Best of luck to all of them. I've switched brands.

Now THAT was a good analogy!

You miss the point.. Tribute bands play Journey music.. They don't play their own.. Journey wrote the music.. SP can't go on tour and proclaim he is Journey.. Neal and Jon can take another singer and say they are Journey..

No, I didn't miss the point. I'm not referring to Tribute bands. I'm referring to people like Lincoln Brewster, who played the shit outta the songs during Strange Medicine. There's more than one guitarist in the world that can play those songs. Again, I'm not negating what they contributed, but they are not the end all of Journey. It was the SUM of the parts that made Journey successful, or ... not successful.

Neal and Jon can call it Journey, but it is not the same PRODUCT that was put out in 1978 that sold millions. It is a variation of the original. And the original is no longer available.

Wasn't it the 1981 product that sold millions? If so it definitely wasn't the same as the original 'flavour'.

I was under the impression that the 1978 version also sold well and at least to the millions, but I get your point. The most successful version was the 1981 version, correct.

[Journey69]

So what about all the people that are pissed when Journey changed from what they were when SP was brought aboard? Trust me..they are out there.. Lets quit with all the comparisons this band has to all the singers..SP isn't coming back..Either you can accept that or you can't.. If you can't,listen to the same stuff over and over.. I liked everything they did with SA,some is even my favorite.. Loved his voice and how he sang..Was he as good as SP,no,hell no.. I will give Arnel a shot..Too many people live in the past..

[Playitloudforme]

So what about all the people that are pissed when Journey changed from what they were when SP was brought aboard? Trust me..they are out there.. Lets quit with all the comparisons this band has to all the singers..SP isn't coming back..Either you can accept that or you can't.. If you can't,listen to the same stuff over and over.. I liked everything they did with SA,some is even my favorite.. Loved his voice and how he sang..Was he as good as SP,no,hell no.. I will give Arnel a shot..Too many people live in the past..

It's not about living in the past. It's liking what I like, and I'm entitled to it. I LIKED the JSS variation of Journey. I DIDN'T like the SA version. I have no idea whether or not I'd like the new version, but because of 'company behavior', I won't bother. Go ahead and give Arnel a shot. Plenty will, plenty won't. We are all entitled to what pleases US. Neither is bad or wrong.

[bluejeangirl76]

There's more than one guitarist in the world that can play those songs. Again, I'm not negating what they contributed, but they are not the end all of Journey. It was the SUM of the parts that made Journey successful, or ... not successful.

Neal and Jon can call it Journey, but it is not the same PRODUCT that was put out in 1978 that sold millions. It is a variation of the original. And the original is no longer available.

EXACTLY.

On both counts. That specific magic came together under the name of Journey just ONCE.
Lightening isn't going to strike twice.

[Journey69]

Ok ,on that note..Do you think Van Halen is going to have that magic again with Diamond Dave..? I think not! They got it again with Sammy.. I liked the Sammy era the most myself.. Sammy brought some really good song writing to the table..I didn't miss Dave for a sec..I know there are some die hard Dave fans out there..Whatever.. Every band sucks without their original lead singer right? Whatever!