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Postby Saint John » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:29 am

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Saint John wrote:I'll chime in here with a few opinions and observations. Jeff did bring a lot of energy to the shows. He also received some good reviews. I think he would have brought more new fans to Journey than Augeri did. HOWEVER, I also think this. With him on board as the frontman, there was a radical deviation from the pre-ROR Perry sound. I heard quite a few comments at shows that Jeff was good and put on a great "show" but that it didn't really sound as good as "the other guy" (Augeri). Also, to a man, EVERY single one of my friends (about 10) had the same two conclusions. 1) They saw/heard Jeff and Augeri and all thought Augeri sounded more like the original version. 2) When 2 of my friends heard Jeremey sing live and the others heard what I had recorded or viewed on youtube clips, they too concluded that Jeremey was much closer to the original sound. The two friends I brought to Virginia both concluded that Jeremey was "way better." My friends are VERY much caual Journey fans, just like 90% of Journey's audience when they tour. Ultimately, I think Journey decided that the influx of potential new fans would be less or much less than influx of potential departing fans and that was a chance they simply couldn't take, so the let Jeff go. HOW they did it is another story.


Yeah, I know what your saying Dan. And many fans feel that way I'm sure. They want to hear Perry, or someone who sounds exactly like him. Some bands don't do that though. Paul Rodgers and Queen may be an example here. And they still have a fan following. When Journey played House of Blues Orlando, alone, the crowd could not have been more energized by what they were seeing on stage. It was also I believe Jeff's BEST performance ever with Journey by far. His sound was perfection. He was working with a vocal coach to do what you are saying. And that Orlando concert proved he could do it. I feel bad for all those that could not see his Florida performances. You really missed out. And maybe that's another reason I feel so strongly the way I do about it. I was amazed that night.

But we are also just saying here that some of us don't want to hear a Perry clone, and that is our opinion. Of course majority rules here, and they made their decision. But I have made mine too as far as how I will follow as a fan now too. Cd's it is!! :)



Good post, Lynn. Gotta disagree with one thing though. Queen bringing Paul Rodgers on board cannot be equated with Journey bringing Jeff on board. Take a look at a Queen setlist. They're playing Bad Company songs as well as Free songs too. They've basically brought parts of three fan bases into one show, which is brilliant. I've long been an ardent opponent of Journey having never brought in someone with what I refer to as a "built-in fan base." That is, a big "name."
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:30 am

Jeremey wrote:I really have to keep silent about some things, but I think everyone will see in the not-to-distant future why it was Journey wanted a return to that "legacy sound."


Hmmmm.... :?:
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Postby Behshad » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:32 am

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StevePerryHair wrote:I don't think JSS would have written a song like Butterfly!! :lol: But, we will never know what JSS and his influence on Journey and their new music would have been like. Because plain and simple, they ended it before it started and that's what has turned me off here. And JSS did maximize his appeal, and he did have everyone of the 7 audiences I saw him with excited and energized. Especially by the end of the tour. I don't know where all this "oh the majority of fans want a Perry sound" comes from. The audiences I saw did not reflect this attitude. I think what most people really want is Perry himself when they make statements like that. That's really what I want too, which is why I say I have my cd's.


I really have to keep silent about some things, but I think everyone will see in the not-to-distant future why it was Journey wanted a return to that "legacy sound."



Could it be cause they're gonna have espee back on vox? :wink: :roll:
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Postby heardonthestreet » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:37 am

Behshad wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:I don't think JSS would have written a song like Butterfly!! :lol: But, we will never know what JSS and his influence on Journey and their new music would have been like. Because plain and simple, they ended it before it started and that's what has turned me off here. And JSS did maximize his appeal, and he did have everyone of the 7 audiences I saw him with excited and energized. Especially by the end of the tour. I don't know where all this "oh the majority of fans want a Perry sound" comes from. The audiences I saw did not reflect this attitude. I think what most people really want is Perry himself when they make statements like that. That's really what I want too, which is why I say I have my cd's.


I really have to keep silent about some things, but I think everyone will see in the not-to-distant future why it was Journey wanted a return to that "legacy sound."



Could it be cause they're gonna have espee back on vox? :wink: :roll:




If Jeremey knows this for a fact, I doubt that he would have let Neal and Co. be seen in such a bad light as has happened as a result of his blog?
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Postby Jeremey » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:39 am

Perry won't be back with Journey...
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Postby Behshad » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:40 am

Jeremey wrote:Perry won't be back with Journey...


Ah! Another clue,,,,

he left it open for someone to finish it:

Perry wont be back with Journey,,, But Journey will be back with Perry!

Youre to easy to figure out ! 8) :wink: :lol:
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Postby heardonthestreet » Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:54 am

Behshad wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Perry won't be back with Journey...


Ah! Another clue,,,,

he left it open for someone to finish it:

Perry wont be back with Journey,,, But Journey will be back with Perry!

Youre to easy to figure out ! 8) :wink: :lol:



I like the Freudian feeling that statement imparts. 8)
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:18 am

Behshad wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Perry won't be back with Journey...


Ah! Another clue,,,,

he left it open for someone to finish it:

Perry wont be back with Journey,,, But Journey will be back with Perry!

Youre to easy to figure out ! 8) :wink: :lol:



Wow. Are we really that desparate to grasp as straws?
That was a hell of a straw though. I wouldn't have interpreted it that way.
Nice work, Behshad. :wink: The world hopes you're right. :D :lol:
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:44 am

Behshad wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Perry won't be back with Journey...


Ah! Another clue,,,,

he left it open for someone to finish it:

Perry wont be back with Journey,,, But Journey will be back with Perry!

Youre to easy to figure out ! 8) :wink: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:44 am

conversationpc wrote:
Jeremey wrote:I really have to keep silent about some things, but I think everyone will see in the not-to-distant future why it was Journey wanted a return to that "legacy sound."


Hmmmm.... :?:


Seconded... :?:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:49 am

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Jeremey wrote:I really have to keep silent about some things, but I think everyone will see in the not-to-distant future why it was Journey wanted a return to that "legacy sound."


Hmmmm.... :?:


Seconded... :?:


Why do I have the deeply sickening feeling this has something to do with things being rerecorded?
I really really hope I'm very wrong.
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:51 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Why do I have the deeply sickening feeling this has something to do with things rerecorded?
I really really hope I'm very wrong.


I think you're right...
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:19 am

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Why do I have the deeply sickening feeling this has something to do with things rerecorded?
I really really hope I'm very wrong.




I think you're right...



Normally, I love to hear that.
But in this case, I want someone to bitchslap me and tell me I could not be more wrong. :cry:
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:27 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Why do I have the deeply sickening feeling this has something to do with things rerecorded?
I really really hope I'm very wrong.




I think you're right...



Normally, I love to hear that.
But in this case, I want someone to bitchslap me and tell me I could not be more wrong. :cry:


This would be one of the dumbest things they've ever done and they've obviously done some dumb things as we all know.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:40 am

conversationpc wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Why do I have the deeply sickening feeling this has something to do with things rerecorded?
I really really hope I'm very wrong.




I think you're right...



Normally, I love to hear that.
But in this case, I want someone to bitchslap me and tell me I could not be more wrong. :cry:


This would be one of the dumbest things they've ever done and they've obviously done some dumb things as we all know.


Dare I say THEEEEE dumbest.
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Postby Jeremey » Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:33 am

I'm not sayin', I have no idea what Journey's intentions are since August or so. We all have opinions and prognostications, etc....if they did do something along those lines, though, I wouldn't say it'd be the dumbest thing they've ever done. Considering the history of the band, I wouldn't really even put it in the top 10 of dumb things they've ever done...
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Postby texafana » Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:42 am

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texafana wrote:Promise to be what exactly? Seriously...WHAT?


I think you know what I am saying and you are just baiting me. Promise to make great new material with a MOTIVATED front man, who loves to write music. Did you go to one Journey concert last year?? Did you see JSS lead Journey? He brought an energy to the stage that made an old rock band young again. I wanted more of that, and now they took it away. It's as simple as that.


Give up the troll, baiting, accusations, I don't do either. THANK YOU for answering my question. But.. I find it hard to fathom that the nucleous of a band that has been together for over 30 years, needs to write "great new material" in order to impress their old fans. MAN..what the hell do you expect from these guys? At near 60 do you really think they should / can / want to, sit around and worry about writing the next hit, or something that will please their old or new fan base? This is the time in their career where they should play the hits, go out and rock the fairs, arenas, wal-mart parking lots, etc, etc, who cares where, just jam and have a good time. As good as JSS is, he joined the band about 20 years too late. Back then I could see Journey taking a chance on a new direction because they would have time to win over new fans, etc. But c'mon!!! At their age, to think they would seriously change gears, direction, etc, is a little pompus don't you think? Now's the time we need to remember what these guys did for us years ago, write some great music that clicked with our senses. The last thing we need in the twilight of their career is for them to come out with music that is so far away from the Journey sound we go wtf?? (Even though Generations does that nicely on a few tracks!)

What's next, do you want these guys doing new vids to play on MTV? pffft.. :roll:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:08 am

Jeremey wrote:....if they did do something along those lines, though, I wouldn't say it'd be the dumbest thing they've ever done. Considering the history of the band, I wouldn't really even put it in the top 10 of dumb things they've ever done...


I say the dumbest only because I feel really strongly that those songs are just freakin' fine the way they are. Journey was made into what it was because of those songs and their power, and you just can't recreate that specific magic. I grew up on those songs. I love them for many reasons, none of which can be replicated. Okay, maybe not the absolute dumbest thing they've done, but I'd place waaayyy up there along with dropping Steve Smith and moving on without Perry (regardless of the reasons behind those things).
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Postby Behshad » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:13 am

texafana wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:
texafana wrote:Promise to be what exactly? Seriously...WHAT?


I think you know what I am saying and you are just baiting me. Promise to make great new material with a MOTIVATED front man, who loves to write music. Did you go to one Journey concert last year?? Did you see JSS lead Journey? He brought an energy to the stage that made an old rock band young again. I wanted more of that, and now they took it away. It's as simple as that.


Give up the troll, baiting, accusations, I don't do either. THANK YOU for answering my question. But.. I find it hard to fathom that the nucleous of a band that has been together for over 30 years, needs to write "great new material" in order to impress their old fans. MAN..what the hell do you expect from these guys? At near 60 do you really think they should / can / want to, sit around and worry about writing the next hit, or something that will please their old or new fan base? This is the time in their career where they should play the hits, go out and rock the fairs, arenas, wal-mart parking lots, etc, etc, who cares where, just jam and have a good time. As good as JSS is, he joined the band about 20 years too late. Back then I could see Journey taking a chance on a new direction because they would have time to win over new fans, etc. But c'mon!!! At their age, to think they would seriously change gears, direction, etc, is a little pompus don't you think? Now's the time we need to remember what these guys did for us years ago, write some great music that clicked with our senses. The last thing we need in the twilight of their career is for them to come out with music that is so far away from the Journey sound we go wtf?? (Even though Generations does that nicely on a few tracks!)

What's next, do you want these guys doing new vids to play on MTV? pffft.. :roll:



I think at this point, youre more confused than anyone else when it comes to what you're expecting from Journey. At one point you defend them and tell us they're highly motivated , then you turn around and put them down cause of their age? How could you make fun of them cause of their age? Now thats a bit too personal to do that to such fine musicians, dontcha think, fucker!?
No one is expecting them to write hit songs. Just write new material for the fans who have been excited all over again since July of 2006.
JSS may be 20 years too late for Journey, but he has arrived just in time to take over many Journey/Meloric Rock fans to the next level.

How come a devoted fan like yourself never went to see them live with Jeff????

Bottom line, 1)Journey messed up all their chances for a strong comeback, 2)you suck and 3)this forum rules.
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:17 am

Behshad wrote:Journey/Meloric Rock fans to the next level.


Now, you're just making the place sound like some disease pandemic. :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:23 am

Blue Radio Girl wrote:
Behshad wrote:Journey/Meloric Rock fans to the next level.


Now, you're just making the place sound like some disease pandemic. :lol:


Its not what I make it sound like, its what we have built here! 8) :lol:
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Postby Rhiannon » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:27 am

Behshad wrote:
Blue Radio Girl wrote:
Behshad wrote:Journey/Meloric Rock fans to the next level.


Now, you're just making the place sound like some disease pandemic. :lol:


Its not what I make it sound like, its what we have built here! 8) :lol:


A legacy in its own right. Dually noted. :wink: :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:28 am

texafana wrote:Give up the troll, baiting, accusations, I don't do either. THANK YOU for answering my question. But.. I find it hard to fathom that the nucleous of a band that has been together for over 30 years, needs to write "great new material" in order to impress their old fans. MAN..what the hell do you expect from these guys? At near 60 do you really think they should / can / want to, sit around and worry about writing the next hit, or something that will please their old or new fan base?


Let's see, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Bryan Adams and others, DO worry about their legacy, and they DO write new music for their fans. That's why they are great and Journey is bankrupt with nothing but a catalogue.

This is the time in their career where they should play the hits, go out and rock the fairs, arenas, wal-mart parking lots, etc, etc, who cares where, just jam and have a good time.


I hung with the band quite a bit last year. I can tell you they do not want to jam in Wal Mart parking lots or local KFC's.

As good as JSS is, he joined the band about 20 years too late. Back then I could see Journey taking a chance on a new direction because they would have time to win over new fans, etc. But c'mon!!! At their age, to think they would seriously change gears, direction, etc, is a little pompus don't you think?


Shows how little you know...you don't know jack shit dickturd. They were all Hell bent on turning the corner, making new music and straight from Neal Schon's mouth, right after the Boston show in the Hilton...he looked right into Jeff's eyes and said, "We are gonna make the biggest fuckin' comeback ever! Bigger than Aerosmith!"


Now's the time we need to remember what these guys did for us years ago, write some great music that clicked with our senses. The last thing we need in the twilight of their career is for them to come out with music that is so far away from the Journey sound we go wtf?? (Even though Generations does that nicely on a few tracks!)

What's next, do you want these guys doing new vids to play on MTV? pffft.. :roll:


You are a fucking jackoff. Next time you rant, at least bring some truths and sense. You just made yourself look like a complete ass in the MR arena.
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Postby Behshad » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:33 am

Rockindeano wrote:
texafana wrote:Give up the troll, baiting, accusations, I don't do either. THANK YOU for answering my question. But.. I find it hard to fathom that the nucleous of a band that has been together for over 30 years, needs to write "great new material" in order to impress their old fans. MAN..what the hell do you expect from these guys? At near 60 do you really think they should / can / want to, sit around and worry about writing the next hit, or something that will please their old or new fan base?


Let's see, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Bryan Adams and others, DO worry about their legacy, and they DO write new music for their fans. That's why they are great and Journey is bankrupt with nothing but a catalogue.

This is the time in their career where they should play the hits, go out and rock the fairs, arenas, wal-mart parking lots, etc, etc, who cares where, just jam and have a good time.


I hung with the band quite a bit last year. I can tell you they do not want to jam in Wal Mart parking lots or local KFC's.

As good as JSS is, he joined the band about 20 years too late. Back then I could see Journey taking a chance on a new direction because they would have time to win over new fans, etc. But c'mon!!! At their age, to think they would seriously change gears, direction, etc, is a little pompus don't you think?


Shows how little you know...you don't know jack shit dickturd. They were all Hell bent on turning the corner, making new music and straight from Neal Schon's mouth, right after the Boston show in the Hilton...he looked right into Jeff's eyes and said, "We are gonna make the biggest fuckin' comeback ever! Bigger than Aerosmith!"


Now's the time we need to remember what these guys did for us years ago, write some great music that clicked with our senses. The last thing we need in the twilight of their career is for them to come out with music that is so far away from the Journey sound we go wtf?? (Even though Generations does that nicely on a few tracks!)

What's next, do you want these guys doing new vids to play on MTV? pffft.. :roll:


You are a fucking jackoff. Next time you rant, at least bring some truths and sense. You just made yourself look like a complete ass in the MR arena.



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Postby Deb » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:36 am

Rockindeano wrote:Shows how little you know...you don't know jack shit dickturd. They were all Hell bent on turning the corner, making new music and straight from Neal Schon's mouth, right after the Boston show in the Hilton...he looked right into Jeff's eyes and said, "We are gonna make the biggest fuckin' comeback ever! Bigger than Aerosmith!"



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Postby texafana » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:53 am

Hilarious!!! It's like the Nancy Grace of melodic rock around here at times! LOL!!! You guys are way over the top, taking the word "fan" to nothing more than "fked and neurotic". pffft... :roll:

Keep rockin Journey, there's a legion of fans who respect you for what you have done over the years. No need to prove yourself to your true fans, you've already done that, 30 years over! Doesn't matter if you're jamming to an arena or a small fair, we're glad to get a chance to see you perform live for your fans. You guys rock better at your age than musicans half your age, keep it going for as long as you want to. At this point in your career and your ages, you don't owe us anything at all! (Well, except a kick ass live show when we buy a ticket, which you've delivered time and time again over the years!!)

Just watched another Deen drum solo, damn that man can bang them drums!
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:21 am

Rockindeano wrote:
texafana wrote:Give up the troll, baiting, accusations, I don't do either. THANK YOU for answering my question. But.. I find it hard to fathom that the nucleous of a band that has been together for over 30 years, needs to write "great new material" in order to impress their old fans. MAN..what the hell do you expect from these guys? At near 60 do you really think they should / can / want to, sit around and worry about writing the next hit, or something that will please their old or new fan base?


Let's see, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, U2, Bryan Adams and others, DO worry about their legacy, and they DO write new music for their fans. That's why they are great and Journey is bankrupt with nothing but a catalogue.

This is the time in their career where they should play the hits, go out and rock the fairs, arenas, wal-mart parking lots, etc, etc, who cares where, just jam and have a good time.


I hung with the band quite a bit last year. I can tell you they do not want to jam in Wal Mart parking lots or local KFC's.

As good as JSS is, he joined the band about 20 years too late. Back then I could see Journey taking a chance on a new direction because they would have time to win over new fans, etc. But c'mon!!! At their age, to think they would seriously change gears, direction, etc, is a little pompus don't you think?


Shows how little you know...you don't know jack shit dickturd. They were all Hell bent on turning the corner, making new music and straight from Neal Schon's mouth, right after the Boston show in the Hilton...he looked right into Jeff's eyes and said, "We are gonna make the biggest fuckin' comeback ever! Bigger than Aerosmith!"


Now's the time we need to remember what these guys did for us years ago, write some great music that clicked with our senses. The last thing we need in the twilight of their career is for them to come out with music that is so far away from the Journey sound we go wtf?? (Even though Generations does that nicely on a few tracks!)

What's next, do you want these guys doing new vids to play on MTV? pffft.. :roll:


You are a fucking jackoff. Next time you rant, at least bring some truths and sense. You just made yourself look like a complete ass in the MR arena.


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Postby Behshad » Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:26 am

texafana wrote:Hilarious!!! It's like the Nancy Grace of melodic rock around here at times! LOL!!! You guys are way over the top, taking the word "fan" to nothing more than "fked and neurotic". pffft... :roll:

Keep rockin Journey, there's a legion of fans who respect you for what you have done over the years. No need to prove yourself to your true fans, you've already done that, 30 years over! Doesn't matter if you're jamming to an arena or a small fair, we're glad to get a chance to see you perform live for your fans. You guys rock better at your age than musicans half your age, keep it going for as long as you want to. At this point in your career and your ages, you don't owe us anything at all! (Well, except a kick ass live show when we buy a ticket, which you've delivered time and time again over the years!!)

Just watched another Deen drum solo, damn that man can bang them drums!


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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:07 am

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Postby chf34jmac » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:11 am

I see the legend is just getting warmed up in here on this tex dude so I'm gonna watch and enjoy. Nice to see you resharpening your teeth Dean.
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