Journey re-recording the classics?

[conversationpc]

Excellent examples of what I was talking about. There may be people that grew up with the originals, but I first heard them on the S/T album and was blown away. By the way, John Sykes guitar solo on "Crying In The Rain" from that album is my all-time favorite.

There are several great solos on that album. Sykes was/is an amazing player. Coverdale was stupid to get rid of him.

BTW, the first three songs on that album, "Crying in the Rain", "Bad Boys", and "Still of the Night" are three of the greatest metal songs of all-time, in my opinion, especially the latter. Some of the tunes on that album are pure cheese but those three in particular are awesome tunes.

[lights1961]

If I was re-recording anything...it would be as a lush acoustic arrangement or with an orchestra or both...strings...expand on the classics. Definitely not a direct cover just with a different singer.

Are you kidding? This is Journey we are talking about. They wouldn't spend 5 dollars if they didn't have to. Your idea is grand, because you ripped it from moi, but NO WAY would they do that. I remember the Virginia show was supposed to have a 30+ orchestra for WYLAW, and they nixed that idea, and that was for a one off thing.

I am shocked they are in the studio and not doing it at Friga's crib, where it would be free....or are they at Princesses house?

Please Deano... I was thinking instrumental journey 8 years ago... unplugged Journey classics would be better to remake at this stage... then they could make it sound how they want... like the kiss unplugged all those years ago.
BUT unplugged SHOULD ONLY BE DONE WITH PERRY.

so here is a question... what unplugged version of a journey classic would we want to hear???

[*Laura]

It was an absolute plan to do so (with JSS), but a higher power (who has a say in how the classic material is used) squashed the plan.

So let me get this straight...The plan was to re-record the classics with JSS but someone stopped that.
Now,from what's been said here recently,Journey are in the studio with Shirley re-recording the classics with Arnel.

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Another question is: was the project stopped initially because JSS's departure or for other reasons?

This is confusing.

[journeyrock]

Hmm... In another thread, I offered to call Arnel at his hotel and give him some fan encouragement. Maybe I should start with the Motel 6's!

I'd start digging through some of the cardboard boxes whereever san francisco's homeless reside, first...

Now that's funny Thanks, I needed a laugh today.

[journeyrock]

Whitesnake did that with "Crying in the Rain" and "Here I Go Again", both of which were included on 1982's "Saints & Sinners". The originals were good but the versions on the 1987 self-titled album were awesome...and the album version of "Here I Go Again" is much better than that crappy, keyboard-heavy, radio version that actually made the charts.

Dont forget fool for your loving...However, I will add, the singer's been the same the whole way through.

The thing I find very unsettling with this plan was the fact that it would've sounded dreadfully different with a different singer. Doesn't matter how good the singer is...the thing that *stamps* those old Journey songs is Perry's voice, not the guitar.

I see this as another sign that Schon's ego has moved past his helmet size. To think that the instrumentation was more important than the voice is just lunacy. Sheer lunacy. Even though this 'higher power' squashed the idea, If that higher power was perry...he would have had nothing to worry about. This project would have fallen flat on its face...and not many people would have bought it, finding it way too unsettling.

In order to compare this scenario to whitesnake, it would be a case of Perry rerecording Journey tunes with other musicians. THAT would be far easier to listen to than the other way around. Sure, we'd miss the 2 dickwads and the rhythm section. However, in the end, the voice is what would make the project listenable or not.

But to have someone else singing Escape...with everything else sounding the same...is just awful. Like karaoke....or worse, those recording booths you see in mini-malls, where you can go in and record a singing track over a backing track...and take the tape home and play it for your cringing family members.

I agree with you. When Perry said his job was to protect the songs, he meant it. He has taken every precaution to do just that.....and quite successfully, I might add. I cannot imagine that he would give an O.K. to do that with ANY other singer, and he would certainly never be in a studio with those nitwits overseeing someone else singing them.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Molly Hatchet re-recorded their classics with their new vocalist and honestly, it's pretty darn good. Survivor has re-recorded some of their best tunes with their new singer, again, pretty good stuff. Kiss re-recorded Beth with Eric Carr, didn't care for it, but again, it's been done and it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

. Eric Carr had an awful singing voice... .

uh.. carr was no robert goulet, but awlful?? he sounded like janice joplin to me..

[LAKERSFAN]

NO WAY I do not want re-recorded classics. Who would buy it when the old stuff is perfect and with Perry. Dumb stupid idea. I hope this is wrong.

[cyndy!]

NO WAY I do not want re-recorded classics. Who would buy it when the old stuff is perfect and with Perry. Dumb stupid idea. I hope this is wrong.

i imagine the typical buyer would be the wal-mart shopper who's easily influenced by point-of-purchase displays. they would play it on their cheap crappy stereo, sing along & relive memories of their youth. they would be puzzled about the new singer for about 30 seconds, then go back to whatever they were doing.

[Trailblazer]

It's just wrong to mess with perfection. I sure wouldn't buy it!

[garyt]

Whitesnake did that with "Crying in the Rain" and "Here I Go Again", both of which were included on 1982's "Saints & Sinners". The originals were good but the versions on the 1987 self-titled album were awesome...and the album version of "Here I Go Again" is much better than that crappy, keyboard-heavy, radio version that actually made the charts.

Excellent examples of what I was talking about. There may be people that grew up with the originals, but I first heard them on the S/T album and was blown away. By the way, John Sykes guitar solo on "Crying In The Rain" from that album is my all-time favorite.

Backed 100%. That's my favourite solo also. I never understood why anyone preferred the original version of "Cryin...", but to each their own...

[sniper16]

i doubt this will be done as a straight re recording of the hits ala night ranger, when bands are no longer on a major label, they can make more money rerecording thier hits and selling to an independent label at a higher rate for the band, the hits still sell well enough not to ruin that, and if everything ive heard is right perry would have to sign off on this(dont see that happening

[amaron]

Wasn't this idea thrown around when Augeri was hired as well?

[Silvio Rodrigues]

I hope they don't forget to visit their South American fans...

[Deb]

NO WAY I do not want re-recorded classics. Who would buy it when the old stuff is perfect and with Perry. Dumb stupid idea. I hope this is wrong.

i imagine the typical buyer would be the wal-mart shopper who's easily influenced by point-of-purchase displays. they would play it on their cheap crappy stereo, sing along & relive memories of their youth. they would be puzzled about the new singer for about 30 seconds, then go back to whatever they were doing.

Giggled at that part of your post. I remember you telling me right after I purchased Soul Sirkus World Play to make sure I listened to it on a really good stereo. It's funny, I'm pretty particular on what I listen to my music on too.......even with my IPOD, I ditched the headphones it came with and only will listen through my Sony earbuds........noticably clearer/better.

[journeyrock]

Wasn't this idea thrown around when Augeri was hired as well?

You know what they say.......Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

[bluejeangirl76]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

[journeyrock]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Yep BJG, I heard the same thing. We must not be dreaming. I'll stick with my original stance. I don't believe that someone would do that EVER.

[*Laura]

I don't believe that someone would do that EVER.

That's why I believe that there's new material in the works.They are recording,not re-recording.

Maybe this rumor started because of a bad phone connection.

Someone Curious: "So what is Journey doing in the studio?"
Someone In-The-Know:"Well,they decided to...
SC:"Hello?"
SITK:"..."record...the classics..."
SC:"I can barely hear you"
SITK:"...Steve Perry....ok with this...."
SC:"I'm losing you...But I got the idea.Thanks!"



In fact this was the info:"Well,they decided to release an album next year.They started to record some new songs that sound similar to the classics.Even Steve Perry would be ok with this approach."

[bluejeangirl76]

Someone Curious: "So what is Journey doing in the studio?"
Someone In-The-Know:"Well,they decided to...
SC:"Hello?"
SITK:"..."record...the classics..."
SC:"I can barely hear you"
SITK:"...Steve Perry....ok with this...."
SC:"I'm losing you...But I got the idea.Thanks!"

*dies* I hope that's what happened.

Maybe someone needs to help us out with this (mis?)information.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

If I was re-recording anything...it would be as a lush acoustic arrangement or with an orchestra or both...strings...expand on the classics. Definitely not a direct cover just with a different singer.

orchestra?? did someone say orchestra??? do they need a flute? I know someone.......... no need for spending a dime.. she's free.....

[tj]

Molly Hatchet re-recorded their classics with their new vocalist and honestly, it's pretty darn good. Survivor has re-recorded some of their best tunes with their new singer, again, pretty good stuff. Kiss re-recorded Beth with Eric Carr, didn't care for it, but again, it's been done and it's not the worst idea I've ever heard.

. Eric Carr had an awful singing voice... .

uh.. carr was no robert goulet, but awlful?? he sounded like janice joplin to me..

Robert Goulet singing KISS, now that would have been something.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

My take is that if they are re-do'ing the classics, then it will be for a record that will be released in the countries in which they plan to tour. Other countries might have Perry recordings, but they will never be able to tell the new from the old like America will. This allows Journey to tour with the singer that those countries are hearing on their radios. .................~

hey ya know that kinds rings true. I know that Japan requires something a little different on their releases so that COULD be a reason for re-release--IF another country has a similar requirement for diversity from the US release.

[Ms_M]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Yep BJG, I heard the same thing. We must not be dreaming. I'll stick with my original stance. I don't believe that someone would do that EVER.

Playing the devil's advocate here... Is it possible it was ok'ed because someone doesn't think it will do well?? Just a thought.

[journeyrock]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Yep BJG, I heard the same thing. We must not be dreaming. I'll stick with my original stance. I don't believe that someone would do that EVER.

Playing the devil's advocate here... Is it possible it was ok'ed because someone doesn't think it will do well?? Just a thought.

Hmmmm.... I just don't think someone would be willing to take that chance. Not when it is one of his "children".

[tj]

Whitesnake did that with "Crying in the Rain" and "Here I Go Again", both of which were included on 1982's "Saints & Sinners". The originals were good but the versions on the 1987 self-titled album were awesome...and the album version of "Here I Go Again" is much better than that crappy, keyboard-heavy, radio version that actually made the charts.

Dont forget fool for your loving...However, I will add, the singer's been the same the whole way through.

The thing I find very unsettling with this plan was the fact that it would've sounded dreadfully different with a different singer. Doesn't matter how good the singer is...the thing that *stamps* those old Journey songs is Perry's voice, not the guitar.

I see this as another sign that Schon's ego has moved past his helmet size. To think that the instrumentation was more important than the voice is just lunacy. Sheer lunacy. Even though this 'higher power' squashed the idea, If that higher power was perry...he would have had nothing to worry about. This project would have fallen flat on its face...and not many people would have bought it, finding it way too unsettling.

In order to compare this scenario to whitesnake, it would be a case of Perry rerecording Journey tunes with other musicians. THAT would be far easier to listen to than the other way around. Sure, we'd miss the 2 dickwads and the rhythm section. However, in the end, the voice is what would make the project listenable or not.

But to have someone else singing Escape...with everything else sounding the same...is just awful. Like karaoke....or worse, those recording booths you see in mini-malls, where you can go in and record a singing track over a backing track...and take the tape home and play it for your cringing family members.

I agree with you. When Perry said his job was to protect the songs, he meant it. He has taken every precaution to do just that.....and quite successfully, I might add. I cannot imagine that he would give an O.K. to do that with ANY other singer, and he would certainly never be in a studio with those nitwits overseeing someone else singing them.

If you want to know what it would sound like with a new singer, listen to Kevin Chalfant's new album. I am not criticizing Chalfant, just giving an example of what another singer doing those songs sounds like with studio production. I know that we had SA and JSS live, so we can make the stage presence comparison, etc. Chalfant is the only one singing those songs with studio production (that I know of).

As far as SP protecting the legacy of the songs, I would expect that it is as much about the music as the money. He knows that if there is a different version of Journey singing "his" songs, it runs the risk of driving down the future value of the original sales. No one mistakes SP for Mariah Carey when she sings Open Arms (or at least if they do they are the world's largest dumba**). Chalfant, Arnel, Jeremey, etc. would sound enough like SP to cause a casual fan walking through WalMart to not know the difference. Most don't know that JC isn't the original keyboardist on AWYWI or LTS.

[mikemarrs]

i agree that eric carr was a 100 times better than peter criss.i miss him and wonder if he might've been in kiss now instead of singer had he lived.

[Rip Rokken]

By the way, John Sykes' guitar solo on "Crying In The Rain" from that album is my all-time favorite.

Backed 100%. That's my favourite solo also. I never understood why anyone preferred the original version of "Cryin...", but to each their own...

Rock on! I don't think there's ever been a song which I've rewound so many times to the guitar solo just to listen to it again. Doug Aldrich does a kickin' job of covering that solo (and putting his own flavor on it) on the Whitesnake Live DVD from a few years ago.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i agree that eric carr was a 100 times better than peter criss.i miss him and wonder if he might've been in kiss now instead of singer had he lived.

unfortunatley, i think Singer would be the drummer.... Kiss didnt handle his departure , before his death, very tactfully, from what ive read anyway... and for some reason Carr was reported as saying that his days were numbered with the band in 1990,,.. Ed or Epresly would have deeper thoughts..

[Lora]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

[mistiejourney]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

Oh dear, I was sort of depending on someone to do just that. If that is what is actually happening.