Journey re-recording the classics?

[Arkansas]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

So, form a new band. Record whatever you want. Pay your intial royalty fees. And go about your way without legal worry.
Hhhmmm, interesting...

If this scenario is true, then maybe the new album of re-recorded classics - if that's what the band is doing at all - is the long-talked about new band called 'JRNY', or whatever. Maybe that's the legal dodge around Perry...if it's possible at all.


later~

[journeyrock]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

Oh my, that is disheartening. That's what I was counting on as well. I'm so sorry to hear this. And I'm sure someone is pretty sick about it.

But... whatever happens, the classics are engrained in everyones soul and will remain there no matter how many times they are "redone". No matter how hard they try, Journey or "JRNY" or whatever they choose to call themselves will never really be free of Perry with the classic material.

Another thought: If they changed to "JRNY" or something like that, then the mission would essentially be accomplished in that "Journey" will be put to rest along with "Journey" material. If I recall correctly, That's all someone ever wanted in the first place.

[StoneCold]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

So, form a new band. Record whatever you want. Pay your intial royalty fees. And go about your way without legal worry.
Hhhmmm, interesting...

If this scenario is true, then maybe the new album of re-recorded classics - if that's what the band is doing at all - is the long-talked about new band called 'JRNY', or whatever. Maybe that's the legal dodge around Perry...if it's possible at all.


later~

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

[larryfromnextdoor]

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

perry just thought that stone was cracked back then,, he didnt have any idea...

[journeyrock]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

So, form a new band. Record whatever you want. Pay your intial royalty fees. And go about your way without legal worry.
Hhhmmm, interesting...

If this scenario is true, then maybe the new album of re-recorded classics - if that's what the band is doing at all - is the long-talked about new band called 'JRNY', or whatever. Maybe that's the legal dodge around Perry...if it's possible at all.


later~

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

OOOOOOOH, well that would explain it. No matter, though, like I said in an earlier post, the true classics are engrained in everyone and will live on timelessly, no matter how many times the two nitwits try to escape it.

[journeyrock]

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

perry just thought that stone was cracked back then,, he didnt have any idea...

I'll probably get lambasted for this post, cuz I AM a loon, you know , but in my humble opinion, Journey's legacy is safe and in Steve Perry's corner. Everytime Frigga and Fro try to escape it, they just enforce that statement and re-vitalize Perry's reputation. The final nail in their coffin may be right around the corner.

[larryfromnextdoor]

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

perry just thought that stone was cracked back then,, he didnt have any idea...

I'll probably get lambasted for this post, cuz I AM a loon, you know , but in my humble opinion, Journey's legacy is safe and in Steve Perry's corner. Everytime Frigga and Fro try to escape it, they just enforce that statement and re-vitalize Perry's reputation. The final nail in their coffin may be right around the corner.

that makes tons of sense..

[Rick]

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

perry just thought that stone was cracked back then,, he didnt have any idea...

I'll probably get lambasted for this post, cuz I AM a loon, you know , but in my humble opinion, Journey's legacy is safe and in Steve Perry's corner. Everytime Frigga and Fro try to escape it, they just enforce that statement and re-vitalize Perry's reputation. The final nail in their coffin may be right around the corner.

While I'm afraid you could be right, if Arnel can sing those songs the way the casual fan wants to hear them, Journey will do alright. The casual fan is 90% of the fan base. Us hard core fans are a small percentage.

[StoneCold]

A while ago someone posted that someone's control over it ended or ends 10 years since the agreement. So it either has or will soon.

Very surprising they think this is a good move. That would explain alot though. Letting go of JSS for more a more SP soundalike.

Man, what a way to end it. Talk about self-destructive personalities.

perry just thought that stone was cracked back then,, he didnt have any idea...

I'll probably get lambasted for this post, cuz I AM a loon, you know , but in my humble opinion, Journey's legacy is safe and in Steve Perry's corner. Everytime Frigga and Fro try to escape it, they just enforce that statement and re-vitalize Perry's reputation. The final nail in their coffin may be right around the corner.

While I'm afraid you could be right, if Arnel can sing those songs the way the casual fan wants to hear them, Journey will do alright. The casual fan is 90% of the fan base. Us hard core fans are a small percentage.

Rick, while agree 100% about the fan base, I can't see how they can pitch this successfully. Can you?

"Journey is releasing another greatest hits album of the hits they released 20, 30 years ago!"

Anyone that likes them has at least the GH cd and maybe Time3 so what's the point.

Lemme guess, they'll put 2 "original" songs to get us all to buy the cd? Uh, don't think so. I'll buy a couple singles off Itunes if they're lucky.

[heardonthestreet]

Sorry, I don't for a minute buy into the re-recording theory. For one thing, the band isn't half as good as they were when the classic's saw the light of day and they would have picked a well know vocalist to attempt this. It was rumored with each replacement since Perry. The band Journey could never pull off re-recording their own classics. JSS thought that the idea was outrageous. Those bastards just love to see us squirm.

[tammy]

NO WAY I do not want re-recorded classics. Who would buy it when the old stuff is perfect and with Perry. Dumb stupid idea. I hope this is wrong.

i imagine the typical buyer would be the wal-mart shopper who's easily influenced by point-of-purchase displays. they would play it on their cheap crappy stereo, sing along & relive memories of their youth. they would be puzzled about the new singer for about 30 seconds, then go back to whatever they were doing.

oh, geez...if they put out re-recorded Classics then I am going to Wal-mart & hiding them in the Z section & putting the REAL JOURNEY up front!

[Rick]

NO WAY I do not want re-recorded classics. Who would buy it when the old stuff is perfect and with Perry. Dumb stupid idea. I hope this is wrong.

i imagine the typical buyer would be the wal-mart shopper who's easily influenced by point-of-purchase displays. they would play it on their cheap crappy stereo, sing along & relive memories of their youth. they would be puzzled about the new singer for about 30 seconds, then go back to whatever they were doing.

oh, geez...if they put out re-recorded Classics then I am going to Wal-mart & hiding them in the Z section & putting the REAL JOURNEY up front!

[larryfromnextdoor]

Sorry, I don't for a minute buy into the re-recording theory. JSS thought that the idea was outrageous. Those bastards just love to see us squirm.

i buy into it each time!! it appears that NS used this approach with JSS to keep around for a while without a contract..

[nolippin]

I can't see even Neal being stupid enough to think that re recording the classics would be a good idea. What's the point? They certainly can't improve on them. IMO, it just proves that the well is dry when it comes to being able to write any new music. Perry must have been far more influential in the writing process than they would have us believe.

Then again, it might be amusing to see the sales of any re recorded classics end up in the Walmart $1 bin.

Sorry, I don't for a minute buy into the re-recording theory. JSS thought that the idea was outrageous. Those bastards just love to see us squirm.

i buy into it each time!! it appears that NS used this approach with JSS to keep around for a while without a contract..

[Rockindeano]

Someone is pretty savvy, and pretty smart. Someone also has a very good attorney. LP will bend them over and fuck them sideways until the cows come home.

[nolippin]

I would like to see that.

Someone is pretty savvy, and pretty smart. Someone also has a very good attorney. LP will bend them over and fuck them sideways until the cows come home.

[larryfromnextdoor]

the well is dry .................re recorded classics end up in the Walmart $1 bin.

Sorry, I don't for a minute buy into the re-recording theory. JSS thought that the idea was outrageous. Those bastards just love to see us squirm.

i buy into it each time!! it appears that NS used this approach with JSS to keep around for a while without a contract..

dang!! that sucks.. .. whats new miss. sunshine..

[donnaplease]

"It was originally mentioned by Neal that they wanted to "re-work the old hits"

That's one of the quotes I've been hearing about, any links to that statement by Neal?

Fireworks Magazine interview March 07. It was an absolute plan to do so (with JSS), but a higher power (who has a say in how the classic material is used) squashed the plan.

Here's the interview quote in question -

You’ve been quoted as saying that you want to stay out of America this year, do you think you’ve overdone the touring in the last few years?

Neal - "Well, you know what? I think with the change in the band now with Jeff, we have to get out and see what interest is out there in the rest of the world – I think it’s the right thing to do. We’ve toured extensively in the States for the last eight years without a break and I think we need to give it a rest, and now that things are picking up for us in Europe and in South America – we’re going to concentrate on different parts of the world this year. We’ll come over there and play the dates and then come back for a writing session and make a new CD. We’re also re-recording all our Greatest Hits and some of the more obscure songs that are on our big records, with Jeff in the studio. That’s probably the first thing we’ll put out and then we’ll come with a brand new record as well, and then we’re coming back over to Europe to headline some festivals. How about that? We’re headlining!"

Hope this helps. Dare I say that due to certain singer changes these plans were not followed.

Does anyone else find this comment interesting with regard to their choice for new lead singer? And if it's true, I think I'm doubly pissed that they would try to capitalize on the "things picking up in Europe and South America" because of Jeff's popularity there!!! I have less and less respect for this bunch every day.

[Lula]

Re-recording the classics? LOL!! Makes sense to me. At this point the creative well has run dry. No new music, no belief in the music they made after Perry... yup, makes sense- re-release the music that hooked us from the get go, but wait... weren't these gems just remastered by the voice that made them so brilliant? Will this include Rolie music as well? These guys (Perry, Rolie, Smith) must be shaking their heads in disbelief. I get it, just lay some new vocals, repackage, and BAM! new music... yeah makes sense. Go ahead, try and find success with this one. Pathetic if true.

[mistiejourney]

NO WAY I do not want re-recorded classics. Who would buy it when the old stuff is perfect and with Perry. Dumb stupid idea. I hope this is wrong.

i imagine the typical buyer would be the wal-mart shopper who's easily influenced by point-of-purchase displays. they would play it on their cheap crappy stereo, sing along & relive memories of their youth. they would be puzzled about the new singer for about 30 seconds, then go back to whatever they were doing.

oh, geez...if they put out re-recorded Classics then I am going to Wal-mart & hiding them in the Z section & putting the REAL JOURNEY up front!

I used to do that when I'd go into record stores back in the day. I'd find FTLOSM and stick it right up front of the rack and in front of some other artists, too! : D Oh, I'm bad, I'm bad.... : D

[nolippin]

Well, Larry, apparently, nothing is new if they are re recording the classics!! LOL!!!

the well is dry .................re recorded classics end up in the Walmart $1 bin.

Sorry, I don't for a minute buy into the re-recording theory. JSS thought that the idea was outrageous. Those bastards just love to see us squirm.

i buy into it each time!! it appears that NS used this approach with JSS to keep around for a while without a contract..

dang!! that sucks.. .. whats new miss. sunshine..

[bluejeangirl76]

Question is: did someone change their mind and gave permission for this project as soon as Arnel was on board?

Um... yeah. This is the part that I don't get. The idea that someone would actually okay this baffles me. I recall someone having a whole lot to say about "fighting for the songs"... fighting to protect the music, something along that line.

I is confused.

Don't assume that someone is okay with this or can stop it.

God damn it. That's exactly the scenario I was afraid of. *sigh*
But at least I can sleep knowing someone has not done gone and lost his marbles and actually ok'd that bullshit!!

[SteveForever]

Its like an old fruitcake that keeps showing up, no thanks.

I hope Perry gives us something new soon, anything....Dear God... please....

[Jeremey]

Lots of interesting conversation about that when I was in CA. At the time, it wasn't clear whether or not it would be legally possible. I guess they may have figured that out, based on putting the pieces together. I remember asking Jon, "What do you mean, like acoustic versions, or rearranging the songs, or what?" After looking at me like I was a little nuts, the reply was, "Well, yeah, whatever ideas you have we'd be open to!"

[Ms_M]

Thanks for your perspective, Lora.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Lots of interesting conversation about that when I was in CA. At the time, it wasn't clear whether or not it would be legally possible. I guess they may have figured that out, based on putting the pieces together. I remember asking Jon, "What do you mean, like acoustic versions, or rearranging the songs, or what?" After looking at me like I was a little nuts, the reply was, "Well, yeah, whatever ideas you have we'd be open to!"

i guess you would have had to have done it as well.. i have to admit.. i would have bought it because YOU were on it.. its a different idea for sure,, ....did you get the idea that they were looking for a singer to give a direction?

[Jeremey]

i guess you would have had to have done it as well.. i have to admit.. i would have bought it because YOU were on it.. its a different idea for sure,, ....did you get the idea that they were looking for a singer to give a direction?

Ehh...not really, I got the idea that it was more of a business decision to not have to pay Sony for using master recordings. If and when that's announced that it's truly what's happening, I could give some more perspective on it, but until then I wouldn't want to get too "inside."

[larryfromnextdoor]

i guess you would have had to have done it as well.. i have to admit.. i would have bought it because YOU were on it.. its a different idea for sure,, ....did you get the idea that they were looking for a singer to give a direction?

Ehh...not really, I got the idea that it was more of a business decision to not have to pay Sony for using master recordings. If and when that's announced that it's truly what's happening, I could give some more perspective on it, but until then I wouldn't want to get too "inside."

to make money on that idea , they would have had to redistribute that NEW cd to all the radio stations ect... to play the NEW versions.... so complicated,, .. am i completley ..way off base?

[Jeremey]

to make money on that idea , they would have had to redistribute that NEW cd to all the radio stations ect... to play the NEW versions.... so complicated,, .. am i completley ..way off base?

I don't think they're aiming for radio airplay with this project. Think of it as a very, very rich person saying that they wanted to own their very own copy of Journey songs, and paying the band a large sum of money to do just that. That's about as basic as you can get, I guess?

[Carlitto H@kk]

I don't think they're aiming for radio airplay with this project. Think of it as a very, very rich person saying that they wanted to own their very own copy of Journey songs, and paying the band a large sum of money to do just that. That's about as basic as you can get, I guess?

Holy Crap!!! It all makes sense now...
Bill Gates, unhappy w/ some of the performance/capatibility issues in Vista,
has decided that the next update patch will include, among many bug fixes,
brand new, totally unique re-recordings of Journey's Greatest Hits to be used
for all of the Windows Sounds and Alerts!