Steve Perry...Steve F*** Perry

[bluejeangirl76]

Squealy, croony balladry w/ weird noises like rain, jungle sounds, and superfluous strings that scream "LOOK! STRINGS!!!" or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

Okay, I'll give you the rain and the odd sound effects. That was an... odd choice.
I was not a fan of that. It took me awhile to find other things to appeciate about that album.
I felt like I was listening to a video game.

[Saint John]

Generations was a pile of shit that was compressed, polished and presented as music. That album completely sucked and was Journey's darkest hour....Tapegate and Sotogate included.

Buffoonery.

Depends on what you're all about, really.

Squealy, croony balladry w/ weird noises like rain, jungle sounds, and superfluous strings that scream "LOOK! STRINGS!!!" or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

I'll take Gens.

They knew that album was SO bad that they forced us to buy it in order to see them in concert. It didn't have a leg to stand on and they KNEW it. Ross sounding like he swallowed shards of glass, Deen and that horrifyingly redundant song Better Life, Neal singing a song that was just as shitty years prior and Augeri so protooled that they had to muddle the vocals. Yeah, and Butterfly and Believe are true Journey staples. I would have rather been given a speeding ticket than that CD.

[Journey69]

Irving Azoff is STILL managing Journey for ONE reason and ONE reason only....to reunite the classic lineup. Contrary to some bad information floating around, I've been told that Journey has begged Steve to sing during a show, a song, an album, a tour or forever. He denies every single request. I don't get this guy. He has Uncle Joe Benson tell us that his voice is "as good as anytime in the mid 80's" yet he won't sing. Why sing for this dude and let that leak out. He and UJB are good friends as I understand it, so why the need to perpetuate the rumor that you CAN still sing when you clearly can't or won't? I'm on Journey's side on this one...and I don't give a dead dog's ass about how bad Neal and Jon are. The TBF fiasco and the fans that were crushed deserved better. I can't believe that a guy that could still sing would let his legacy end like that. And I don't care if he releases 27 more solo albums. The fans want him in Journey (and I don't give a shit about the handful of nitwit fans that DON'T want him in Journey).

I agree with that also..But,I'm sure there are things we don't know about.. If SP felt wronged by someone,or maybe the guy became an ego maniac.. I just think after Frontiers the guy was just going through the motions..Just like someone stated Jon saying..Every time Steve sang ,he would bleed a little.. I think the guy just wants to live..He figures he's retired but without officially retiring.. The guy is almost 60.. Chances are he does the small parts just to get his voice on there to help the other bands recognition.. He probably isn't confident that his voice could hold up for an album.. And if it can,he probably just doesn't have the desire to work anymore.. Neal was pissed in an interview one time where he said Steve would take a separate bus so they couldn't rehearse and talk about the upcoming shows.. He would rather hang with his g/f and smoke weed.

[Journey69]

Generations was a pile of shit that was compressed, polished and presented as music. That album completely sucked and was Journey's darkest hour....Tapegate and Sotogate included.

Buffoonery.

Depends on what you're all about, really.

Squealy, croony balladry w/ weird noises like rain, jungle sounds, and superfluous strings that scream "LOOK! STRINGS!!!" or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

I'll take Gens.

They knew that album was SO bad that they forced us to buy it in order to see them in concert. It didn't have a leg to stand on and they KNEW it. Ross sounding like he swallowed shards of glass, Deen and that horrifyingly redundant song Better Life, Neal singing a song that was just as shitty years prior and Augeri so protooled that they had to muddle the vocals. Yeah, and Butterfly and Believe are true Journey staples. I would have rather been given a speeding ticket than that CD.

I disagree..I liked Generations for the most part.. They tried to do a Boston:Corporate America type album.. Take Neal's song out,Jon's,and Ross's..Put in three more songs with Augeri and it would be fine.. I miss the self titled album songs,Escape,Frontiers,TBF.SP stressed doing that..And after he left they stopped doing it.. I really liked that..Those were great songs.. Generation doesn't count.. There are a lot of good Journey songs on there despite what you haters think..Faith in the heartland..Place in your heart....I liked ,A Better Life... Believe...Out of Harms Way..Beyond the Clouds..Never too late.. The 1st 2 songs are all Journey.. They have all the sound that is Journey.. Faith in the Heartland blow Higher Place right out of the water..Never cared for that song..way over rated.. Just my opinion..

[Saint John]

Generations was a pile of shit that was compressed, polished and presented as music. That album completely sucked and was Journey's darkest hour....Tapegate and Sotogate included.

Buffoonery.

Depends on what you're all about, really.

Squealy, croony balladry w/ weird noises like rain, jungle sounds, and superfluous strings that scream "LOOK! STRINGS!!!" or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

I'll take Gens.

They knew that album was SO bad that they forced us to buy it in order to see them in concert. It didn't have a leg to stand on and they KNEW it. Ross sounding like he swallowed shards of glass, Deen and that horrifyingly redundant song Better Life, Neal singing a song that was just as shitty years prior and Augeri so protooled that they had to muddle the vocals. Yeah, and Butterfly and Believe are true Journey staples. I would have rather been given a speeding ticket than that CD.

I disagree..I liked Generations for the most part.. They tried to do a Boston:Corporate America type album.. Take Neal's song out,Jon's,and Ross's..Put in three more songs with Augeri and it would be fine.. I miss the self titled album songs,Escape,Frontiers,TBF.SP stressed doing that..And after he left they stopped doing it.. I really liked that..Those were great songs.. Generation doesn't count.. There are a lot of good Journey songs on there despite what you haters think..Faith in the heartland..Place in your heart....I liked ,A Better Life... Believe...Out of Harms Way..Beyond the Clouds..Never too late.. The 1st 2 songs are all Journey.. They have all the sound that is Journey.. Faith in the Heartland blow Higher Place right out of the water..Never cared for that song..way over rated.. Just my opinion..

We agree on one thing....Higher Place was a shitty song.

[Journey69]

Generations was a pile of shit that was compressed, polished and presented as music. That album completely sucked and was Journey's darkest hour....Tapegate and Sotogate included.

Buffoonery.

Depends on what you're all about, really.

Squealy, croony balladry w/ weird noises like rain, jungle sounds, and superfluous strings that scream "LOOK! STRINGS!!!" or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

I'll take Gens.

They knew that album was SO bad that they forced us to buy it in order to see them in concert. It didn't have a leg to stand on and they KNEW it. Ross sounding like he swallowed shards of glass, Deen and that horrifyingly redundant song Better Life, Neal singing a song that was just as shitty years prior and Augeri so protooled that they had to muddle the vocals. Yeah, and Butterfly and Believe are true Journey staples. I would have rather been given a speeding ticket than that CD.

I disagree..I liked Generations for the most part.. They tried to do a Boston:Corporate America type album.. Take Neal's song out,Jon's,and Ross's..Put in three more songs with Augeri and it would be fine.. I miss the self titled album songs,Escape,Frontiers,TBF.SP stressed doing that..And after he left they stopped doing it.. I really liked that..Those were great songs.. Generation doesn't count.. There are a lot of good Journey songs on there despite what you haters think..Faith in the heartland..Place in your heart....I liked ,A Better Life... Believe...Out of Harms Way..Beyond the Clouds..Never too late.. The 1st 2 songs are all Journey.. They have all the sound that is Journey.. Faith in the Heartland blow Higher Place right out of the water..Never cared for that song..way over rated.. Just my opinion..

We agree on one thing....Higher Place was a shitty song.

Your kidding..you didn't like Faith in the heartland?

[X factor]

Irving Azoff is STILL managing Journey for ONE reason and ONE reason only....to reunite the classic lineup. Contrary to some bad information floating around, I've been told that Journey has begged Steve to sing during a show, a song, an album, a tour or forever. He denies every single request. I don't get this guy. He has Uncle Joe Benson tell us that his voice is "as good as anytime in the mid 80's" yet he won't sing. Why sing for this dude and let that leak out. He and UJB are good friends as I understand it, so why the need to perpetuate the rumor that you CAN still sing when you clearly can't or won't?

If he was going to come back, he would have by now. Move on, bro. I could understand all of the comeback talk if Perry was doing solo stuff, but he obviously doesn't want to sing for anybody, including himself.

....but doesn't GUFF count?

No, it doesn't. Pretty sad that that is the most we have heard Perry's voice in a song since 1996, isn't it?

Precisely. That's what I don't get, NIG. Why perpetuate the belief that you can sing (UJB, David Pack, GUFF) when you can't or have no desire to? It's like the guy can't be honest to himself or his fans, or both. What I don't think he gets is this: fans miss Steve Perry. The Steve Perry that was a part of Journey. Like the Van Halen reunion, The Police reunion and the Genesis reunion, fans don't care about the singers sounding like they did in the 80's. They want to sit back and take a walk down memory lane one more time and rediscover the feelings that come rushing back to a time that has passed. These other bands "get it." Other than Van Halen, I really think these other bands did it for the fans, not the money. Notes can be hit or missed, songs can be tuned down a step or not, but the fans will slip back into the 80's for an hour or two and get to relive some great times, and that's more important than some missed notes and/or rearranged songs. The tours I mentioned are undeniable proof of that, because a few of the shows have been FAR from perfect, yet the reviews have been.

That's the finest post you've ever written, SJ. I couldn't agree more...

[Saint John]

Irving Azoff is STILL managing Journey for ONE reason and ONE reason only....to reunite the classic lineup. Contrary to some bad information floating around, I've been told that Journey has begged Steve to sing during a show, a song, an album, a tour or forever. He denies every single request. I don't get this guy. He has Uncle Joe Benson tell us that his voice is "as good as anytime in the mid 80's" yet he won't sing. Why sing for this dude and let that leak out. He and UJB are good friends as I understand it, so why the need to perpetuate the rumor that you CAN still sing when you clearly can't or won't?

If he was going to come back, he would have by now. Move on, bro. I could understand all of the comeback talk if Perry was doing solo stuff, but he obviously doesn't want to sing for anybody, including himself.

....but doesn't GUFF count?

No, it doesn't. Pretty sad that that is the most we have heard Perry's voice in a song since 1996, isn't it?

Precisely. That's what I don't get, NIG. Why perpetuate the belief that you can sing (UJB, David Pack, GUFF) when you can't or have no desire to? It's like the guy can't be honest to himself or his fans, or both. What I don't think he gets is this: fans miss Steve Perry. The Steve Perry that was a part of Journey. Like the Van Halen reunion, The Police reunion and the Genesis reunion, fans don't care about the singers sounding like they did in the 80's. They want to sit back and take a walk down memory lane one more time and rediscover the feelings that come rushing back to a time that has passed. These other bands "get it." Other than Van Halen, I really think these other bands did it for the fans, not the money. Notes can be hit or missed, songs can be tuned down a step or not, but the fans will slip back into the 80's for an hour or two and get to relive some great times, and that's more important than some missed notes and/or rearranged songs. The tours I mentioned are undeniable proof of that, because a few of the shows have been FAR from perfect, yet the reviews have been.

That's the finest post you've ever written, SJ. I couldn't agree more...

Thank you.

[Saint John]

Generations was a pile of shit that was compressed, polished and presented as music. That album completely sucked and was Journey's darkest hour....Tapegate and Sotogate included.

Buffoonery.

Depends on what you're all about, really.

Squealy, croony balladry w/ weird noises like rain, jungle sounds, and superfluous strings that scream "LOOK! STRINGS!!!" or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

I'll take Gens.

They knew that album was SO bad that they forced us to buy it in order to see them in concert. It didn't have a leg to stand on and they KNEW it. Ross sounding like he swallowed shards of glass, Deen and that horrifyingly redundant song Better Life, Neal singing a song that was just as shitty years prior and Augeri so protooled that they had to muddle the vocals. Yeah, and Butterfly and Believe are true Journey staples. I would have rather been given a speeding ticket than that CD.

I disagree..I liked Generations for the most part.. They tried to do a Boston:Corporate America type album.. Take Neal's song out,Jon's,and Ross's..Put in three more songs with Augeri and it would be fine.. I miss the self titled album songs,Escape,Frontiers,TBF.SP stressed doing that..And after he left they stopped doing it.. I really liked that..Those were great songs.. Generation doesn't count.. There are a lot of good Journey songs on there despite what you haters think..Faith in the heartland..Place in your heart....I liked ,A Better Life... Believe...Out of Harms Way..Beyond the Clouds..Never too late.. The 1st 2 songs are all Journey.. They have all the sound that is Journey.. Faith in the Heartland blow Higher Place right out of the water..Never cared for that song..way over rated.. Just my opinion..

We agree on one thing....Higher Place was a shitty song.

Your kidding..you didn't like Faith in the heartland?

I didn't mind The Place In Your Heart. Faith In The Heartland didn't do shit for me. Lyrically retarded and the chorus blew elephant balls.

[Journey69]

I guess to each their own.. I'm suprised Van Halen is still touring and someone hasn't killed Diamond Dave yet.. There are sad people out there that just can't let sleeping dogs lie.. SP said that he and Journey go through lawyers to discuss anything..How pathetic is that.. Sounds to me like someone has forgiveness issues.. Won't even put shit aside for his freaking fans.. Who do you thinks he cares about? Journey should just do what Creed(who is now AlterBridge) did.. But they should have done it in 98.. Drop the name Journey get another lead singer and start over.. They just don't want to go through all that to make another name,that's why they Drag Journey on.. I think the sole reason Perry won't come back is because they went forward and made more music without him..I think that was the unforgivable act.. he can't get past that..And now he has such had feelings about it,he won't even talk to the rest of the band..That's pretty sad..It was all his doing! I'm not going to start a business with someone..They decide they don't want to do it anymore and then tell me to change the name..BS.. That's what SP wanted,and the rest didn't want that..SP left journey in a horse sh*t position and they decided to move forward,right or wrong..You don't know for sure until you try..

[Red13JoePa]

or guitar-driven Journey rock w/ good solid vox that are part of the band.

I'll take Gens.

Bravo!

Coming from your avatar, that was most impressive. Gotta love a guy with conviction.

Still, having said all that, there a bushel of jaw-dropping moments on Trial By Fire.
When Perry's singing, just singing in Journey mode without a lot of the other things going on that date the record to 1996, it's a joy, no doubt.

[Voyager]

LOL!!! Dude, timing please. You've been waiting 11 days to blast me with that one, but it's like an out of context, out of the blue sore thumb.

You were baiting people w/ bogus high-road phony social justice-infused Pineda sympathy and deserved to be told to put a sock in it.

You leave Arnel alone! Leave him alone I say!!!! All you people want is more, more, more, more, more!!!!

[Red13JoePa]

[Perrydise]

I think grey's original post was well done, except for the colorful language. Just one thing I can't find. I cannot find the article/interview where Steve Perry comes right out and says he can't sing anymore.

Perhaps SP has grown emotionally and mentally and he left the rest in the dust. Maybe he just cant be bothered anymore.

[summergirl]

A lot of people assume that the relationship between Perry and Neal is what is stopping Perry from returning. It's not necessarily true... Perry himself has said that, at the Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony, Neal was the only one of the band who was friendly and warm to him... the others were not, which had a lot to do with any decision he had to make when asked to return to the band for a reunion show.

[Playitloudforme]

A lot of people assume that the relationship between Perry and Neal is what is stopping Perry from returning. It's not necessarily true... Perry himself has said that, at the Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony, Neal was the only one of the band who was friendly and warm to him... the others were not, which had a lot to do with any decision he had to make when asked to return to the band for a reunion show.

Where's that link? I don't remember this....

[Journey69]

A lot of people assume that the relationship between Perry and Neal is what is stopping Perry from returning. It's not necessarily true... Perry himself has said that, at the Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony, Neal was the only one of the band who was friendly and warm to him... the others were not, which had a lot to do with any decision he had to make when asked to return to the band for a reunion show.

I also saw Neal say to the media that he had new material for Journey and said not directly to Steve standing next to him..you are always welcome to come sing on it.. And Perry as he rolled his eyes in disgust said..I hear you started another band.. He couldn't be professional..He had to be a whinny little biotch ! It was probably Soul Sirkus Perry was referring to..

[Rockindeano]

I am going to take a shit now. Much Taco Bell. Thought you all would like to know.

Shall I post pics? PM if you want to see.

[Perrydise]

I am going to take a shit now. Much Taco Bell. Thought you all would like to know.

Shall I post pics? PM if you want to see.

Well now there is new material - or should I say recycled.

"Deano's Greatest Hits - Recycled"

[Rick]

I am going to take a shit now. Much Taco Bell. Thought you all would like to know.

Shall I post pics? PM if you want to see.

I'm good, thanks though.

[Natalie]

I am going to take a shit now. Much Taco Bell. Thought you all would like to know.

Shall I post pics? PM if you want to see.

Well now there is new material - or should I say recycled.

"Deano's Greatest Hits - Recycled"

Nah, most of us have seen it before-nothing new there.

[texafana]

I am going to take a shit now. Much Taco Bell. Thought you all would like to know.

Shall I post pics? PM if you want to see.

Just when the topic gets interesting and you see a few good responses, this gets typed in by someone thinking we all want to read it. C'mon Andrew, THIS is what the proposed ignore button is for, are you really telling me this drival is fine to post on this forum? Nothing against anyone personally, after all it's just text, but c'mon!

[Natalie]

I am going to take a shit now. Much Taco Bell. Thought you all would like to know.

Shall I post pics? PM if you want to see.

Just when the topic gets interesting and you see a few good responses, this gets typed in by someone thinking we all want to read it. C'mon Andrew, THIS is what the proposed ignore button is for, are you really telling me this drival is fine to post on this forum? Nothing against anyone personally, after all it's just text, but c'mon!

Just be happy he doesn't have your phone number or a picture text message would surely be on the way to you sweetie. Now are you really that upset over this post?????? Was it really that traumatic for you to read about someone elses bowel movements?? If so then I suspect that you never watch TV, go out in public or walk down the laxative aisle in your local pharmacy (but I think maybe you should-you may be a happier person!!)

GET OVER IT!

[Matthew]

But I realized something this fine evening....that this band is completely shit without Steve Perry. No fucking singer, no matter how fucking good, whether it's Augeri, Soto, the new fucking outsourced throat or any fucking one else....can even come close to Perry. Even if Perry's singing voice is diminished by age or mileage....there's a tonality to his voice that is can not be immitated by anyone else...I dont care who the fuck you are.

Where's the picture of Captain Obvious when we need him?

[conversationpc]

Where's the picture of Captain Obvious when we need him?

Dun, da da!

[Rockindeano]

I have had a real bad day, a worse week and the worst month of my life Texana. Kiss my ass. If I really get fueled up tonight, you will be the first to know.

Fucking sensitive wack jobs.

[chf34jmac]

Tex if you have lurked here for any length of time, I cannot possibly explain how monumentally stupid it is for you to poke at a sleeping bear. If you lurked, Deano is the master of the beat down around here and you just put yourself squarely in his gunsights.

[Soto All The Way]

I'm with you Frank...All the way at this point.....With their possible choice of singers, it's over.....They're toast!!!!

e-

[TRAGChick]

Well...at least his "Speaking Voice" is still intact....

From Sept. 4, 2007:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE9Chh3hV9o

[EightyRock]

A lot of people assume that the relationship between Perry and Neal is what is stopping Perry from returning. It's not necessarily true... Perry himself has said that, at the Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony, Neal was the only one of the band who was friendly and warm to him... the others were not, which had a lot to do with any decision he had to make when asked to return to the band for a reunion show.

I'd like to see the quotes on this, too. I've seen video and audio from WOF and after the event, plus read all the band member interviews about it. I have yet to see anything from Perry saying how "warm and friendly Neal was" and that the "others were not", or him saying that is what swayed his decision on not doing a reunion show. To my knowledge, none of that was ever on video OR in print. Please back this up with links.