Arnel In Perspective

[Playitloudforme]

Ok ,on that note..Do you think Van Halen is going to have that magic again with Diamond Dave..? I think not! They got it again with Sammy.. I liked the Sammy era the most myself.. Sammy brought some really good song writing to the table..I didn't miss Dave for a sec..I know there are some die hard Dave fans out there..Whatever.. Every band sucks without their original lead singer right? Whatever!

You've got your opinion on it, as does everyone else. Some prefer Sammy, others prefer Dave. Some prefer SA, some prefer SP. Neither are wrong, but they are different. But one cannot expect everyone to agree with one's opinion. I can't force my spiritual, economical, political, musical (ad infinitum) beliefs on anyone else. It's not my place. At the same time tho, don't expect me to buy into someone else's version 100% if it doesn't resonate with me.

Doesn't make the rest of the world wrong if they aren't like my concepts, just makes them different, and that is what makes things interesting. If we were all the same, it would be boring as all get out.

[Journey69]

Ok ,on that note..Do you think Van Halen is going to have that magic again with Diamond Dave..? I think not! They got it again with Sammy.. I liked the Sammy era the most myself.. Sammy brought some really good song writing to the table..I didn't miss Dave for a sec..I know there are some die hard Dave fans out there..Whatever.. Every band sucks without their original lead singer right? Whatever!

You've got your opinion on it, as does everyone else. Some prefer Sammy, others prefer Dave. Some prefer SA, some prefer SP. Neither are wrong, but they are different. But one cannot expect everyone to agree with one's opinion. I can't force my spiritual, economical, political, musical (ad infinitum) beliefs on anyone else. It's not my place. At the same time tho, don't expect me to buy into someone else's version 100% if it doesn't resonate with me.

Doesn't make the rest of the world wrong if they aren't like my concepts, just makes them different, and that is what makes things interesting. If we were all the same, it would be boring as all get out.

You could try to force your opinion on me..

[Methaddict]

I'll support the "new Journey"
I'll give Arnel every opportunity to prove himself.

Journey was there for me through so many good times and some of the bad times too.
I may be just another face or dollar bill to them, but that doesn't phase me. It's like that for 80% of the artists out there anyway.

Journey has given me so much through the years that you can't put a monetary value on.

All I need to do is pull out "Next", listen to Schon fire up his amp for those initial stinging licks from "Karma" and it all makes sense. It's all I need to hear.

I have to thank Neal and the guys for exposing me to JSS. He's a class act and has some serious talent/pipes.

[conversationpc]

I have to thank Neal and the guys for exposing me to JSS. He's a class act...

Unfortunately, Frig and Fro are not.

[lidobar]

Perry will be coming back, but sadly it won't be with Journey. I disagree with you on one thing though. A Perry comeback in Journey WOULD be huge. A pretty well respected promoter said that only a Beatles reunion (which we know is impossible) or a Zeppelin tour would be bigger than Perry in Journey. It would dwarf the largely successful Van Halen tour.

To steal a line from Herbie Da Man, you've got a better chance of your dick growing an inch than Perry coming back. The only people he sings for are his grandkids now.

[rdekker]

There's an nearly empty Soto forum to play in.

This statement is uncalled for - debate as much as you want, but don't disrespect others in the process.

This isn't disrespecting JSS, it's just a fact that before Neal met JSS he was a struggling singer playing empty shows, I've seen him play in front of maybe 50 people. AFter his "Journey" he's playing sold out shows. He wasn't the right guy for Journey, they could have told him that in a better way than they did but he did benefit from it and lived his dream for awhile. Now it's up to JSS to stay up there and not go back to there 50 people shows.

So, maybe Arnel provers to be the guy or not, he will have many people attending his shows from now on. I'll be the first to get tickets if Journey plays europe again with Arnel or not. I sure want to see what he's made off.

[Jeremey]

I think the guy has an amazing voice and would love to see him be successful at this. Time will tell if he has the stage chops to make an engaging showman, but if he can make the best of it, he'd be living a dream that will certainly change his life. The image of him being a scared little dude in a hotel room isn't very flattering though....I hope he's just apprehensive about the future and about the life change before him, and not so much bothered by the asian stereotypes thrown around here. There's been a lot of support for him on this board as well...I do believe that he'll have to protect himself and insulate himself a bit from the "machine" of Journey, however, to truly survive the tenure. It could be he's seen what happened to Augeri and JSS...He's made a commitment that's a lot larger than just going out on a stage every night on tour. He needs to keep his friends and family close.

[heardonthestreet]

There's an nearly empty Soto forum to play in.

This statement is uncalled for - debate as much as you want, but don't disrespect others in the process.

This isn't disrespecting JSS, it's just a fact that before Neal met JSS he was a struggling singer playing empty shows, I've seen him play in front of maybe 50 people. AFter his "Journey" he's playing sold out shows. He wasn't the right guy for Journey, they could have told him that in a better way than they did but he did benefit from it and lived his dream for awhile. Now it's up to JSS to stay up there and not go back to there 50 people shows.

So, maybe Arnel provers to be the guy or not, he will have many people attending his shows from now on. I'll be the first to get tickets if Journey plays europe again with Arnel or not. I sure want to see what he's made off.

That's not so hard to understand and a quite simple way of looking at the Journey situation.

Nice post!

[bionic]

I spoke to someone really important in the music industry today. Of course I had to ask about Journey and their current situation. Apparently, against what I was dreaming for, Arnel Pineda will be Journey's next singer. He was selected, by chance, after Jeff Scott Soto was terminated. Arnel has a wife and several children, including a newborn. For the better part of 20 years he has idolized American AOR. He covers Journey, Bryan Adams, Survivor, Bon Jovi, Heart, The Eagles and countless other American bands. He, like Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto before him, is living out a dream. How long, if at all, it will last, is anyone's guess.
Fast forward to right now. Arnel is currently several thousand miles from home holed up in a hotel away from his family, his country and his home. He's here to do what Steve Augeri and JSS before him did so well. Carry the Journey torch that Steve Perry lit. It's time to give all of the negative bullshit, name calling, and bickering a rest. The dude, I've been told, is scared shitless. I can't imagine what leaving your country, your home and your family behind must be like. The least we can do is show the man the common decency of indifference. If you don't like him, fine. Don't support him, the band or their shows. But when the fuck is the nonstop abuse gonna stop? Let's judge this dude when he performs with Journey and not prior to. If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

I have no feelings about the guy i just feel Journey as a band has run its course and has done to much to damage the name.
Saying that i accept the guys have to pay the bills and for that they must tour and tour and tour!

[Crazie Scarab]

Journey is nothing more than an old, soggy piece of toast left on a plate in a restaurant of which will soon to be thrown out along with the empty little jelly containers and used napkins. Better yet! They're a spent condom.

[stevew2]

[quote="Crazie Scarab"]Journey is nothing more than an old, soggy piece of toast left on a plate in a restaurant of which will soon to be thrown out along with the empty little jelly containers and used napkins. Better yet! They're a spent condom.[/quote]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I couldnt have said it so well.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Journey... They're a spent condom.

I sure as hell "spent a lot of condoms" to the music of Journey in the past 20 years
And I KNOW I am not alone

[Crazie Scarab]

Journey... They're a spent condom.

I sure as hell "spent a lot of condoms" to the music of Journey in the past 20 years
And I KNOW I am not alone

I hear ya. Where do you think I came up with that, anyways?

[texafana]

Journey is nothing more than an old, soggy piece of toast left on a plate in a restaurant of which will soon to be thrown out along with the empty little jelly containers and used napkins. Better yet! They're a spent condom.

Since you obviously hate the band so much, why on earth do you continue to post, read, anything about Journey in a Journey forum? All you need to do is post one time in this forum "I hate Journey" we get it, point made. jeesh....

[Carlitto H@kk]

Since you obviously hate the band so much, why on earth do you continue to post, read, anything about Journey in a Journey forum? All you need to do is post one time in this forum "I hate Journey" we get it, point made. jeesh....

Jeesh... If you would pay attention to 99% of the responses you get to your posts,
you will clearly see that, although this is a Journey Forum, it is WAY more than just that.
It is a meeting place of many different types of people that enjoy talking/arguing/debating
about millions of things that have little to do with Journey. i can see that you are fairly new
and must be having a hard time grasping this simple concept.

Also, if you thought that this forum, by being titled "Journey:, was going to be nothing but
a wishy-washy, "everyone agrees w/ you", Journey Love-Fest then YOU may be in the wrong place,
at the wrong time and might want to consider if it's worth staying. You may be better off
at places like perryville, Augeriville or BackTalk (if it ever opens again) where the narrow-minded,
condescending, one-way thinking is widely accepted.

Your choice. Just some advice from someone else that is fed up with this band and will say so
as much as I like, whether you like it or not

[annie89509]

Since you obviously hate the band so much, why on earth do you continue to post, read, anything about Journey in a Journey forum? All you need to do is post one time in this forum "I hate Journey" we get it, point made. jeesh....

Jeesh... If you would pay attention to 99% of the responses you get to your posts,
you will clearly see that, although this is a Journey Forum, it is WAY more than just that.
It is a meeting place of many different types of people that enjoy talking/arguing/debating
about millions of things that have little to do with Journey. i can see that you are fairly new
and must be having a hard time grasping this simple concept.

Also, if you thought that this forum, by being titled "Journey:, was going to be nothing but
a wishy-washy, "everyone agrees w/ you", Journey Love-Fest then YOU may be in the wrong place,
at the wrong time and might want to consider if it's worth staying. You may be better off
at places like perryville, Augeriville or BackTalk (if it ever opens again) where the narrow-minded,
condescending, one-way thinking is widely accepted.

Your choice. Just some advice from someone else that is fed up with this band and will say so
as much as I like, whether you like it or not

Er, Carl, the Perryville boards have been closed for several months now. And, even if it was opened, I doubt Texafana would be welcome there. Come to think of it ... Augeriville wouldn't want anyone praising Journey there, either. So, guess that leaves Back Talk ...

[texafana]

man...alot of people twist things into their own interpretation around here, jeesh.. Look...there's a few bands on the main forum page that I don't like, so why would I go in there and post something such as:

"Band X is nothing more than an old, soggy piece of toast left on a plate in a restaurant of which will soon to be thrown out along with the empty little jelly containers and used napkins. Better yet! They're a spent condom."

hmm... maybe it might be worth a test to see the kind of response I'd get posting that in every other forum here?

That's obviously just baiting, and has no place. Do I want to read just flowers and hearts about Journey? Hell no, but obvious hate posts are so freakin off the chart around here it's a wonder this forum isn't called "Journey Haters". Posting mature content for actual debate is something I thought this forum was about, but I'm noticing that the haters, baiters, seriously out weight the mature, level headed fans who seriously want to discuss the state of this band, something like 100 to 1! So go ahead and cheer on the haters, the ones that post the fbombs, call people immature names, etc, etc. If that's your thing fine..go for it. The only reason it bothers me is because you have to frickin skip over 20 bs posts to get to the mature, interesting posts that are very informative and worth participating in.

[annie89509]

Texafana, lighten up, you have to have thick skin to stick around here. Most of us don't like vulgarity and the personal attacks, either, and Andrew did put his foot down (for the millionth time).

It's just a message board. There are a lot of sarcasm and humor in people's posts. As long as no one crosses the line, Andrew lets everyone have their say.

[pepsi]

I was unhappy the way it ended for SA and particularly JSS and can understand why folks are pissed at the band and their management. Having watched some clips on youtube of Arnel you have admit the wee fella can sing. So I am going to give him my support, and if he is the new lead for Journey I wish him good luck...I think he will need it.

[Saint John]

Journey is nothing more than an old, soggy piece of toast left on a plate in a restaurant of which will soon to be thrown out along with the empty little jelly containers and used napkins. Better yet! They're a spent condom.

Presently, Journey is no stronger or weaker than they have been in the last 11 years. They enjoyed a brief surge around TBF, but it wasn't meant to be for whatever reason(s). Comparing them to rotten food and used condoms is absurd. With another tour coming, I'd venture to bet that each member pockets roughly 1 million dollars this year. Sorry that doesn't meet your lofty standards.

[StoneCold]

I Having watched some clips on youtube of Arnel you have admit the wee fella can sing.

.... wee fella ...

That was great on many levels.

[donnaplease]

Posting mature content for actual debate is something I thought this forum was about, but I'm noticing that the haters, baiters, seriously out weight the mature, level headed fans who seriously want to discuss the state of this band, something like 100 to 1

We ARE discussing the "state of this band". It just so happens that a large number of us are pissed at the "state of this band" and don't mind saying so. Where better than a Journey message board to express those sentiments? Perhaps you would rather we just be blind followers to whatever they do. Sorry, homey don't play dat game!!!!

[texafana]

Back on topic, is it just me or does anyone else think Arnel's higher notes seem to be rather pushed? Also, how confident should we really be that he is the guy?

[Crazie Scarab]

Journey is nothing more than an old, soggy piece of toast left on a plate in a restaurant of which will soon to be thrown out along with the empty little jelly containers and used napkins. Better yet! They're a spent condom.

Since you obviously hate the band so much, why on earth do you continue to post, read, anything about Journey in a Journey forum? All you need to do is post one time in this forum "I hate Journey" we get it, point made. jeesh....

Blow me. Where did I ever say I hated Journey? You don't even know me. Some of you are real idiots.

[ArnelRox]

If you listen purely to his voice, his tone, and his range, there is NO doubt he's immensely talented. Sure he has diction issues, but afford him the benefit of at least officially performing with the band before you crucify him. Personally, I think Augeri, Soto and Hunsicker pale in comparison to this guy's vocal capabilities. And while he might not be much taller than Neal Schon, he's got King Kong sized balls for travelling halfway around the world to chase his dream. I'm behind this guy 100%. "Pineda's Posse" has a nice ring to it. Goodnight and God bless.

Thanks Dan u have a ton of class for posting this. Arnel is awesome & everyone is in for a huge surprise. But I like "Arnellians" better for what his fans are called & I'm proud to be one, whatever we're nicknamed

[ArnelRox]

Time will tell if he has the stage chops to make an engaging showman,

Oh he's got it & plenty to spare. Watch a few more videos, not just the Journey ones & remember those are small stages in Asia.

[ArnelRox]

Not a problem Nig. Luckily, he's hung like a flea.

What??????? I know u meant to say "horse" here.

[Playitloudforme]

Back on topic, is it just me or does anyone else think Arnel's higher notes seem to be rather pushed? Also, how confident should we really be that he is the guy?

This is the reason why I can't back him. I've listened to many of his youtube videos, and noted that he struggles repeatedly. He'll slide into notes as opposed to hitting them, and that's something my music teacher would box my ears for. Hit the dang notes, and hit them clear.

[ArnelRox]

This is the reason why I can't back him. I've listened to many of his youtube videos, and noted that he struggles repeatedly. He'll slide into notes as opposed to hitting them, and that's something my music teacher would box my ears for. Hit the dang notes, and hit them clear.

U are aware that some of those videos were shot after Arnel had been performing for as long as 5 hours right? The sound quality isnt that good on many of them. He hits those notes just fine. I'm not trying to convince u to "back him" just adding what I can. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[BobbyinTN]

I agree ArnelRox, Arnel DOES rock.