Does Neal have a macho complex?

[Playitloudforme]

Susie... already have. Passing. Nuthin there for me hon...

U have heard Arnel speak English at length? Wow. May I ask where?

omg.. honestly. I'm done with this thread and topic.

[nolippin]

You really should relax more.

OK...Miss Priss spin it however you need to. Splitting hairs on a Saturday night is not something I intend to become "fluent" in.

Fluency is a matter of fact...not opinion. He is either fluent in English or he's not. He sounded like he was speaking English pretty well to me.

Exactly. To You. Opinion... not fact.

No one asked your 'opinion' in the first place, now did they??? And that's a fact!!!!

[ArnelRox]

Susie... already have. Passing. Nuthin there for me hon...

U have heard Arnel speak English at length? Wow. May I ask where?

omg.. honestly. I'm done with this thread and topic.

Well I asked u to wait until u heard him speak English at length & u said "already have". Isnt it fair for me (a big fan of his) to ask u where?

[donnaplease]

Fluency is subjective. What I feel is fluent isn't necessarily what someone else deems fluent. Some take pronunciation into account, other's do not. There's a very distinct division in whether or not you can be understood or not, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are fluent.

Thank you. This is my point exactly.

Why dont u wait until u get to hear Arnel speak English at length & then form an opinion. Until u do that, u dont really know for sure. I realize neither of u intend to go to a Journey concert, but I'm sure boots/videos will surface & perhaps u could take a moment of ur day to listen to them. Then we could take this discussion up again. Deal?

Wait a minute... you've suggested that his clips were good enough to prove his fluency (and that's a fact), and now you're asking us to listen to him at length and then form an opinion. Isn't that a little contradictory? I just love how you're trying to force this guy on everyone. Some people just don't care. I remember not so long ago a fellow poster who carried the screen name "JourneyFuxSingers". Maybe you know her. I thought I did.

I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in hearing Arnel or Journey at this point. The YouTubes I've tried to watch have been sufficient for me to form an opinion. So... no deal.

[ArnelRox]

Wait a minute... you've suggested that his clips were good enough to prove his fluency (and that's a fact),

Did I? Where was that? I didnt say that tonite at all & I haven't posted here in a long time before that. If I said it months ago, please point it out to me.

I just love how you're trying to force this guy on everyone.

I'm forcing him on everyone? Why? Because my username is ArnelRox? Does that mean ur forcing Perry on everyone b/c ur username is the title of one of his songs? I mean come on. I've said a couple of times (nicely) to PlayItLoud that everyone is entitled to their own opinions about him. Or do u mean kinda like how u forced Jeremey on everyone when some people didnt like his singing? (No offense to Jeremey meant here but u were one of the first to blast anyone who didnt like his voice.)

I remember not so long ago a fellow poster who carried the screen name "JourneyFuxSingers". Maybe you know her. I thought I did.

Yeah I know her. That was me. But I changed my opinion. Just like my username before that was JourneyRox. Remember that? I changed my opinion on that subject too. I seem to remember a poster called DonnaPlease who was really angry Jeff was let go & said she was done w/Journey forever. Just a few weeks later she wanted Neal to announce Jeremey as quickly as possible & was looking forward to seeing him w/Journey. I guess ur the only one allowed to change ur opinion tho. I'm not & if I do, u blast me at every chance possible. Yet u come in here yelling at me that I state opinion as fact. Isnt that a bit contradictory?

I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in hearing Arnel or Journey at this point. The YouTubes I've tried to watch have been sufficient for me to form an opinion. So... no deal.

I never asked u to hear anything but Arnel speaking English at length & we'll take up this discussion again then. I was ONLY talking about his fluency in English which u seem to think he doesnt have & I know for a fact he does. But I guess ur obstinate in ur opinions that he cant speak English. Back to my earlier point, that's erroneous.

[donnaplease]

I'm not quoting and requoting all that stuff, but I will share this:


nolippin wrote:
Granted the youtube clips I've seen are poor quality, but it sounds to me like the guy is speaking English and speaking it quite well. It also sounds like he is speaking the language of his audience part of the time.

to which you replied:
Correct. In Hong Kong, his shows were frequented by Americans & English & he spoke in English all the time. In the Philippines where all the YouTube videos were shot, it depended on his audience on any given nite. If he had English speakers in the audience, he spoke primarily in English. If Filipino, he spoke primarily in Tagalog. If a mixture, he mixed it up depending on who a request came from. If he was responding to a request in Tagalog, it would not be natural to speak in English. His written and spoken English is just about as fluent as urs or mine.

Page 2 of this thread. So unless you were in HongKong or the Phillipines I have to assume that you gathered this information from the YT's. Am I wrong in that assumption? If so, I sincerely apologize. Or perhaps you've been away from here for so long because you were following Arnel on his world tour. Seriously, have you ever talked to the man?

I don't recall 'blasting' anyone, but if you say I did, it must be 'fact'. As far as Jeremey singing with Journey goes, I have consistently maintained that my support was for Jeremey, not Journey. I have said this publicly, and I believe personally to Jeremey and definitely to Jeff. I would have supported Jeremey in spite of Journey, not because of them. I still support them both. I've seen Jeff twice since he left Journey, and I plan to see Frontiers in the very near future. I believe this is the thread in question:
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... c&start=60


I'm not yelling at you, Susie. I'm just disappointed in you. You've changed your opinion so many times it's hard to keep track anymore. You are a Perry fan, who was crazy about JSS, then singing SA's praises (I have no idea if you were a fan of his when he was in Journey or not) and now you're all about Arnel. I'm simply amazed that you consider your opinion as fact, while everyone else's opinion is erroneous.

[ArnelRox]

to which you replied:

Nowhere in that quote did I say the videos on YouTube proved Arnel was fluent in English. I dont even talk about YouTube there.

Am I wrong in that assumption? If so, I sincerely apologize.

U are wrong in ur assumption & if ur apology is sincere, I accept it.

Or perhaps you've been away from here for so long because you were following Arnel on his world tour.

Yeah that must be it. I think u know what's been going w/me. Let's not get childish here.

I would have supported Jeremey in spite of Journey, not because of them.

Then why can't I do the same b/c of Arnel? Why is it ok for u to support Jeremey if he was Journey's lead singer but it's not ok for me to support Arnel if he is Journey's lead singer? I dont get it.

I'm not yelling at you, Susie. I'm just disappointed in you. You've changed your opinion so many times it's hard to keep track anymore. You are a Perry fan, who was crazy about JSS, then singing SA's praises (I have no idea if you were a fan of his when he was in Journey or not) and now you're all about Arnel.

Well I can't change ur disappointment in me but I have been very consistent actually. I've said many times that I was not a big fan of Augeri when he was in Journey. However, I did attend multiple concerts where he performed & I've said many times on this board that he was ok for a concert. That hasnt changed. He wasn't Perry or anything even close for me (& yes, that's my opinion) but he entertained me. A few months ago, I was exposed to some of his work outside of Journey & I realized he was more talented than I previously understood. I got new information & changed my opinion of his talent. That didnt change my opinion of him in Journey. I'd just like to see him do well should he choose to release new material or perform in the future. Life is very short & I dont want to go around hating anyone anymore.

I'm still a Perry fan, I'm still crazy about Jeff. Since the 1st day I heard Arnel, I've been all about him. I will be all about Arnel for the rest of my life b/c he has touched my life w/his voice. I realize & even respect that u dont feel the same way about him & that's certainly ur perogative. I'm not trying to force him on anyone. Music is subjective & singers affect people differently. Why u choose to bash me for liking someone u dont like is beyond me. I'm sure there are singers u like that I dont. Why cant u just allow me (& anyone else who enjoys Arnel) to have that pleasure? It appears to me that u just dont like anyone who enjoys Arnel's singing right now esp. if they have the balls to say it publicly. If I'm wrong in that assumption, I apologize & I actually do mean that sincerely.

I'm simply amazed that you consider your opinion as fact, while everyone else's opinion is erroneous.

When it comes to his fluency in English, I'm very confident that's a fact. All I asked is for u to give it time & listen to him SPEAK, not sing. U can still continue to dislike his singing all u want. But please, cut me some slack & allow me to continue to enjoy it. U have Frontiers to enjoy. They're too far from me for me to even check out.

Arnel is a wonderful man who is hoping for the same opportunity all previous singers of Journey have had. Hate Journey all u want but its not Arnel's fault & it's hypocritical to take anger out on him for auditionining for Journey when u didnt do that to Jeremey. They were in the exact same position.

(This isnt about Jeremey & I really dont want him to be offended by anything I'm saying here.)

[mistiejourney]

Personally, he's fluent enough, but he does speak occasionally with an accent.

There are many accents in the US. IMHO Augeri spoke (& sang) w/a NY accent. I have a distinct Chicago accent. I imagine u probably have a CA accent. Jeff has one of those too but it's different from Perry's CA accent. Arnel's accent is very slight but when he flips into his native tongue onstage in the Philippines, it could come across as lack of fluency to some ears who dont hear the quick flip.

Californians have an accent? Seriously, I never thought I had an accent!

[ArnelRox]

Californians have an accent? Seriously, I never thought I had an accent!

Ok sit down b/c this may come as a surprise. To anyone who is not from CA, u have an accent.

[donnaplease]

to which you replied:

Nowhere in that quote did I say the videos on YouTube proved Arnel was fluent in English. I dont even talk about YouTube there.

Am I wrong in that assumption? If so, I sincerely apologize.

U are wrong in ur assumption & if ur apology is sincere, I accept it.

Or perhaps you've been away from here for so long because you were following Arnel on his world tour.

Yeah that must be it. I think u know what's been going w/me. Let's not get childish here.

I would have supported Jeremey in spite of Journey, not because of them.

Then why can't I do the same b/c of Arnel? Why is it ok for u to support Jeremey if he was Journey's lead singer but it's not ok for me to support Arnel if he is Journey's lead singer? I dont get it.

I'm not yelling at you, Susie. I'm just disappointed in you. You've changed your opinion so many times it's hard to keep track anymore. You are a Perry fan, who was crazy about JSS, then singing SA's praises (I have no idea if you were a fan of his when he was in Journey or not) and now you're all about Arnel.

Well I can't change ur disappointment in me but I have been very consistent actually. I've said many times that I was not a big fan of Augeri when he was in Journey. However, I did attend multiple concerts where he performed & I've said many times on this board that he was ok for a concert. That hasnt changed. He wasn't Perry or anything even close for me (& yes, that's my opinion) but he entertained me. A few months ago, I was exposed to some of his work outside of Journey & I realized he was more talented than I previously understood. I got new information & changed my opinion of his talent. That didnt change my opinion of him in Journey. I'd just like to see him do well should he choose to release new material or perform in the future. Life is very short & I dont want to go around hating anyone anymore.

I'm still a Perry fan, I'm still crazy about Jeff. Since the 1st day I heard Arnel, I've been all about him. I will be all about Arnel for the rest of my life b/c he has touched my life w/his voice. I realize & even respect that u dont feel the same way about him & that's certainly ur perogative. I'm not trying to force him on anyone. Music is subjective & singers affect people differently. Why u choose to bash me for liking someone u dont like is beyond me. I'm sure there are singers u like that I dont. Why cant u just allow me (& anyone else who enjoys Arnel) to have that pleasure? It appears to me that u just dont like anyone who enjoys Arnel's singing right now esp. if they have the balls to say it publicly. If I'm wrong in that assumption, I apologize & I actually do mean that sincerely.

I'm simply amazed that you consider your opinion as fact, while everyone else's opinion is erroneous.

When it comes to his fluency in English, I'm very confident that's a fact. All I asked is for u to give it time & listen to him SPEAK, not sing. U can still continue to dislike his singing all u want. But please, cut me some slack & allow me to continue to enjoy it. U have Frontiers to enjoy. They're too far from me for me to even check out.

Arnel is a wonderful man who is hoping for the same opportunity all previous singers of Journey have had. Hate Journey all u want but its not Arnel's fault & it's hypocritical to take anger out on him for auditionining for Journey when u didnt do that to Jeremey. They were in the exact same position.

(This isnt about Jeremey & I really dont want him to be offended by anything I'm saying here.)

OK, let's try this again:

nolippin wrote:
Granted the youtube clips I've seen are poor quality, but it sounds to me like the guy is speaking English and speaking it quite well. It also sounds like he is speaking the language of his audience part of the time.

to which you replied:
Correct.

You don't mention YouTube there, but told nolippin that he was 'correct' in his assessment of the youtubes that he's seen. Therefore, without using the words 'youtube' you did talk about them.

OMG. This is getting ridiculous. I'm not even gonna bother continuing this. I don't care enough. My point originally was that you stated something as fact that clearly is a matter of opinion. And I can't stand when people do that, because it removes the possibility that others may not share that same view.

I do wish you well, Susie, and I hope you continue to find the happiness that you say you've found with Arnel.

[mistiejourney]

Californians have an accent? Seriously, I never thought I had an accent!

Ok sit down b/c this may come as a surprise. To anyone who is not from CA, u have an accent.

That is so funny! I wish I knew what it sounded like to someone else!

[ArnelRox]

You don't mention YouTube there, but told nolippin that he was 'correct' in his assessment of the youtubes that he's seen. Therefore, without using the words 'youtube' you did talk about them.

I was actually referring to the part where he said Arnel speaks in his own language part of the time, believe it or not.

My point originally was that you stated something as fact that clearly is a matter of opinion. And I can't stand when people do that, because it removes the possibility that others may not share that same view.

I really dont think anyone who heard Arnel speak English for any length of time would not share my view that he's fluent. I cant stand it when I see people here saying he needs English lessons or doesnt speak English fluently.

I do wish you well, Susie, and I hope you continue to find the happiness that you say you've found with Arnel.

Thank u, I appreciate that more than u know. But hey that almost makes it sound like I'm having an affair w/Arnel or something.

[Panther]

Californians have an accent? Seriously, I never thought I had an accent!

Ok sit down b/c this may come as a surprise. To anyone who is not from CA, u have an accent.

I've yet to hear a Cali person with an accent (other than those obvious one's in which they've recently come from another country or area of the US where the accents are heavy). Hell, I think they are the only state in the union (I'm still on the fence about Arizona) that doesn't have a natural accent.
Then again, I may not know what an accent is, as I've lived in TX for forty some-odd years yet still retain the yankee speech from my childhood. Not that I can't mimic the Texan sleech.
In the end, it is all to the listeners ears to decide whether they are perceiving an accent when one is speaking. So, basically this is all a moot point.

Now... will whomever was smoking whatever in the Perry and his pussy thread PLEASE pass that shit to me?!!!! I need something to keep my head from imploding every single time I see "u" and "ur." I seriously come to a full stop on those "abbreviations" and have a mini-meltdown. No offense to anyone, but must three and four letter words be abbreviated like that?

[journeyrock]

In answer to the original subject........Does a bear shit in the woods? [/b]

[ArnelRox]

No offense to anyone, but must three and four letter words be abbreviated like that?

S'okay ur not the 1st here to get on me about that. It's a habit & I cant seem to get out of it. I gotta do this. U know Jeff uses them too, right? (I get shot for saying that too.)

[StoneCold]

If I'd accomplished half what he has I'd be pretty confident I could do just about anything.

As for the "locknload" name reference, he's into riding motorcycles (big motorcycles) so its fair to say he's macho.

Funny, the guy down the street from me has 2 big Harley's and he is openly gay.

Okay, but ...

(cue the song)

is he a "macho, macho man"?

[Vladan]

Arnels English is about as fluents as Jackie Chan, which is pretty good - still, has a heavy accent and I'd say his grammar is not so good either. I have also heard Neal Schon speak and... well he did leave high school at 15 right? because you really can't notice (insert sarcasm). So I think as bad as Arnels English is, the rest of the band isn't much better. They all have poor vocabulary in my opinion

He does not speak in the Queens English. I have heard Arnel speak, and his praising of the lyrics is a good indication there, I don't need to have opinions or "facts" , I have seen enough. I do have eye's, and yes I do have ears.

It's like catching your neighbor with his fingers too close to his dogs balls, you know? there is nothing they can say to get out of it, we have seen to much - let's leave it there, and move on.

[texafana]

I really dont think anyone who heard Arnel speak English for any length of time would not share my view that he's fluent. I cant stand it when I see people here saying he needs English lessons or doesnt speak English fluently.

Hi Arnel Rox. Some people don't get it that you can be fluent in a langauge yet speak this language with an accent. You Chicago peeps have a strong accent, you New Yorkers have a VERY strong accent, us Texans...well we speak just fine don't we? lol... but we're ALL fluent in english. Get it?

From the vids I've seen of Arnel speaking english, I'd say he's fluent enough that I don't have to scratch my head and wonder what was said.

[finalfight]

Arnels English is about as fluents as Jackie Chan, which is pretty good - still, has a heavy accent and I'd say his grammar is not so good either. I have also heard Neal Schon speak and... well he did leave high school at 15 right? because you really can't notice (insert sarcasm). So I think as bad as Arnels English is, the rest of the band isn't much better. They all have poor vocabulary in my opinion

He does not speak in the Queens English. I have heard Arnel speak, and his praising of the lyrics is a good indication there, I don't need to have opinions or "facts" , I have seen enough. I do have eye's, and yes I do have ears.

It's like catching your neighbor with his fingers too close to his dogs balls, you know? there is nothing they can say to get out of it, we have seen to much - let's leave it there, and move on.

Jackie's English is extremely limited. He knows enough to get by in short interviews etc but is frequently fed lines and often has to be corrected as he has little comprehension about what the words actually mean. Same with his English speaking movies - lines are given to him on a scene by scene basis. He then phonetically pronounces the majority of the words. Whilst Jackie is certainly able to hold limited conversations in English I never once saw him address a crowd in the natural way that Arnel appears to. Love Jackie to pieces though even if his English singing voice is hilarious!

[Rip Rokken]

omg.. honestly. I'm done with this thread and topic.

LOL -- well the topic got threadjacked into 2 pages of language proficiency disputes... haha! Let's bring it back to topic... Do you think you could whip Neal or not?

[Rip Rokken]

I need something to keep my head from imploding every single time I see "u" and "ur." I seriously come to a full stop on those "abbreviations" and have a mini-meltdown. No offense to anyone, but must three and four letter words be abbreviated like that?

Ack! Don't let JSS hear U say that!

[ArnelRox]

Arnels English is about as fluents as Jackie Chan, which is pretty good - still, has a heavy accent and I'd say his grammar is not so good either.

Have u heard Arnel speak English at length? If so, please fill us in.

Do u live in Australia? If so, talking about anyone else's accent is way over the top to me. U do realize that u Aussies have a very heavy accent to us yanks, right? I have an Aussie friend & when she's angry & blathering on at top speed I have NO idea what she's saying.

[Rip Rokken]

There is a sudden influx of Arnel love flooding the board lately, and I'm down with it, but am wondering if we aren't being prepped for some imminent news or something? This might be like an arial pounding to soften up the resistance before the ground troops arrive to conquer. Wonder if the band might be behind some of it?

[Playitloudforme]

There is a sudden influx of Arnel love flooding the board lately, and I'm down with it, but am wondering if we aren't being prepped for some imminent news or something? This might be like an arial pounding to soften up the resistance before the ground troops arrive to conquer. Wonder if the band might be behind some of it?

I think it is those that want to be the new mods at the renewed BT.... gotta be in 'luv' with Arnel, ya know? That is if they bother opening it up again. Either way, ain't for me. But yeah...there's waaaay to much rah-rahing going on for AP. When they sway my opinion that strongly, I run in the other direction. Already made up my mind, thanks.

[BobbyinTN]

I have no room to talk about accents. I'm from the south and there's no mistaking it when you hear me speak, but when I sing, you can't really tell.

[RocknRoll]

I've made up my mind as well. I intend to see the new line-up live in concert and then I'll decide if I want to see them again.

[Arkansas]

omg.. honestly. I'm done with this thread and topic.

LOL -- well the topic for threadjacked into 2 pages of language proficiency disputes... haha! Let's bring it back to topic... Do you think you could whip Neal or not?

I think it's hillarious when a thread gets high-jacked so quickly.
The wheels fell off and the wagon derailed within the first page. In no time, this puppy was driven right into the ditch and rolled.
People don't give a $hit about this Arnel dude, Jackie Chan, Californians, or whoever speaks the best Queen's English. They just want to argue. Gotta love it!
Everyone just needs to hit the bong and get a bj.

Getting back to the original question... NS probably does have 'short syndrome'. Couple that with his musical & financial success, and he's without a doubt Napolean reincarnate. Gotta have big guitars and big motorcycles. I think there's another complex that addresses how a man's need to collect big toys is inversely proportional to size of his tool. But who knows...and who really cares. If he's a hot-head, then that's his problem. I find those hot-head types very entertaining. Watching someone work themself into a lather and make physical threats makes me laugh.

Okay, as you were. You can get back to ripping each other's heads off based on the $hitty sounds of YouTube.


later~

[Rip Rokken]

I think there's another complex that addresses how a man's need to collect big toys is inversely proportional to size of his tool.

LOL! That sounds exactly like something I would say... My theory of mobs is that the collective IQ of any large group of people gathered into a confined space is inversely proportional to the size of the crowd.

[treetopovskaya]

arnel does have an accent but he speaks english fluently. the only time i have a hard time hearing is when he talks softly. speak up ap! }:C))

ap's accent does come out a bit when he's singing... with training & work that can be fixed. imo if he gets the gig with journey he's going to knock peoples socks `n shoes off! he has a strong soaring voice. }:C) the newer vids popping up on youtube show that his voice is getting stronger & more clear. he's prolly working with a vocal coach already.

[ArnelRox]

I think it is those that want to be the new mods at the renewed BT.... gotta be in 'luv' with Arnel, ya know? That is if they bother opening it up again. Either way, ain't for me. But yeah...there's waaaay to much rah-rahing going on for AP. When they sway my opinion that strongly, I run in the other direction. Already made up my mind, thanks.

Ha ha that's funny. Who in their right mind would want to be a mod at that place? I can tell u for sure, not me. I didnt post for a long time recently mainly due to health reasons. I've had to take a few breaks from posting over the last year & a half for the same reasons. If I seem to have "come out of the woodwork" here, that's why. I'm an obvious Arnel supporter & during my health issues, his music has helped me keep a good outlook. Music touches me that way.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but let's face it, the debate over who each of us prefers as Journey's lead singer has now been going on for almost 10 years. At least it gives us something to talk about