Should true Journey fans love every version of Journey?

[mistiejourney]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Ahhhhh.....I'm glad everyone else is articulate tonight, I'm havin' a hard time with it! (and I'm sober... )

[ArnelRox]

Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

Nothing u know of obviously. But he's done a solo album he wrote himself & an album w/his band The Zoo which he wrote most of. Not to mention all the other music he's written w/the many bands he's performed in. U don't know much about him yet u post erroneous statements as if they were factual.

[StevePerryHair]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

Crowd size is indicative of interest...which to an artist is the ONLY thing that counts. What good is it if you "KILLED" on stage if no one is there?

Arnel couldn't get booked in my basement on his own. Dan, have you turned gay dude?

NWI

I guess that depends on taste Dan. If you like the voice of a high tenor, or the versatile voice of Jeff who can sing awesome hard heavy rock that a lot of us love.

[strangegrey]

But he's done...an album w/his band The Zoo...

OUCH! Who bought this? Their moms? Did it sell more than 4 copies?

[mistiejourney]

If Journey were a cup of coffee:


Schon/Valory/Rolie/Dunbar/Tickner
Watered down folgers with non-dairy creamer and sweet and low


Schon/Valory/Rolie/Dunbar/Perry
Decaf, but real milk and sugar. Tastes like a great cup of coffee, but something's missing, and you can't put a finger on it.


Schon/Valory/Rolie/Smith/Perry
A really good cup of coffee...but could use a touch of sugar. Even so, you could spend your whole life drinking this shit and not miss a thing!


Schon/Valory/Cain/Smith/Perry
The ultimate cup of coffee. Nothing is wrong with it, perfect balance of milk, sugar, and coffee...with a frothy top and a simply stunningly thick flavor. A cup of coffee that you would gladly fork over 5 dollars for..


Schon/Jackson/Cain/Baird/Perry
Accidentally pouring orange juice into your coffee instead of milk...not realizing this, you take a sip and immediately spit it out all over your computer monitor, not only ruining your morning, but all of your equipment.


Schon/Valory/Cain/Castronovo/Augeri
If I can't have coffee, I guess Sanka with nutrasweet will have to do.


Schon/Valory/Cain/Castronovo/Soto
Sanka, but this time, you actually find a few packets of splenda, so it's not as bad as yesterday's coffee. The shot of kalhua that you dropped into the cup makes it even better.


Schon/Valory/Cain/Castronovo/Arnel
Sewer water, heated up with pieces of charcoal...so it looks like coffee. Most of the time, it just makes you throw up.

Next time I go to Starbucks I'll ask for a Venti Schon/Valory/Cain/Smith/Perry with an extra shot of JSS and Augeri sprinkles.

[AR]

Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

Nothing u know of obviously. But he's done a solo album he wrote himself & an album w/his band The Zoo which he wrote most of. Not to mention all the other music he's written w/the many bands he's performed in. U don't know much about him yet u post erroneous statements as if they were factual.

Post something original then that he has done and wow us. You keep saying we are "uninformed". I submit you have heard NOTHING and submit that you are uninformed. Show me don't tell me. (Rush reference)

Soto's original material would take days to get through. That fucker is prolific.

Frig and Fro were scared of JSS and found a cheap alternative.

[Crazie Scarab]

Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

Nothing u know of obviously. But he's done a solo album he wrote himself & an album w/his band The Zoo which he wrote most of. Not to mention all the other music he's written w/the many bands he's performed in. U don't know much about him yet u post erroneous statements as if they were factual.

Pardon me? Where can I find this "originality?" Please do include links when blowing me off like that.

[ArnelRox]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

Actually that's still bigger than the stages Arnel is on in the YouTube videos.

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I never said Arnel is better than Jeff in terms of stage presence, did I? I just dont agree that he has NONE as some have said here & I dont think it's fair to judge him on a few YouTube clips on small stages when u havent seen what he can do on a big stage.

For the record, Jeff's vocals on that clip above are not pleasant for me to listen to. I'm a big fan of his, but in that particular performance, he's way off. Was he sick that nite?

By the way, what are your thoughts on Eric Martin/Mr. Big. Vocally I think he's THE SHIT, he's got a vocal tone/timbre I really like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3c54o3hcg

I've a HUGE Mr. Big fan. I love his voice & its uniqueness. I will never understand why Mr. Big wasnt more popular.

[ArnelRox]

But he's done...an album w/his band The Zoo...

OUCH! Who bought this? Their moms? Did it sell more than 4 copies?

Yeah it was selling pretty well last time I checked. It hasnt gotten the promotion it was supposed to get...for obvious reasons.

[mistiejourney]

Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

Nothing u know of obviously. But he's done a solo album he wrote himself & an album w/his band The Zoo which he wrote most of. Not to mention all the other music he's written w/the many bands he's performed in. U don't know much about him yet u post erroneous statements as if they were factual.

Post something original then that he has done and wow us. You keep saying we are "uninformed". I submit you have heard NOTHING and submit that you are uninformed. Show me don't tell me. (Rush reference)

Soto's original material would take days to get through. That fucker is prolific.

Frig and Fro were scared of JSS and found a cheap alternative.

I actually went to find some of Arnel's original stuff - I found the CD, but there was no way to hear any of the tracks on that particular site. The songs looked like they were sung in three different languages: English, Tagalog (?) and Spanish - if I read the titles correctly.

I have nothing against Arnel at all. I'm willing to hear his solo stuff and decide if I like it. I just have no interest in hearing him sing Journey; I have no interest in Journey other than what has already past.

If there is a site that has samples of the songs, I'd be willing to check them out.

I will say Arnel looks much better as a brunette, though.

[ArnelRox]

Post something original then that he has done and wow us. You keep saying we are "uninformed". I submit you have heard NOTHING and submit that you are uninformed. Show me don't tell me. (Rush reference)

Soto's original material would take days to get through. That fucker is prolific.

Frig and Fro were scared of JSS and found a cheap alternative.

Look I cant guarantee it will wow u. It does me but if u are asking me to post them so u can mock them, that's not cool. I'll assume ur serious & there's a few of his originals on YouTube (there's a LOT more stuff he's done as well):

Free Bird (from Arnel Pineda self titled album): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko63Jgrc30k

Too Satisfied (from Zoology): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFioizsgrlA

Pain In My Heart (from Zoology): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDO-1r5ggik

So Wrong (from Zoology): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgJo2engeP8

The others are in his own language so I wont even bother.

How do u know Arnel was cheaper? Have u seen their contracts & paychecks? Just asking.

[AR]

How do u know Arnel was cheaper? Have u seen their contracts & paychecks? Just asking.

No clue as of yet. I have some idea of what was being offered though.

[Saint John]

Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

Nothing u know of obviously. But he's done a solo album he wrote himself & an album w/his band The Zoo which he wrote most of. Not to mention all the other music he's written w/the many bands he's performed in. U don't know much about him yet u post erroneous statements as if they were factual.

Post something original then that he has done and wow us. You keep saying we are "uninformed". I submit you have heard NOTHING and submit that you are uninformed. Show me don't tell me. (Rush reference)

Soto's original material would take days to get through. That fucker is prolific.

Frig and Fro were scared of JSS and found a cheap alternative.

Soto and Arnel both have one thing in common...you won't hear either one on the radio. And while it may "take days to get through" Soto's material, who gives a shit? I've never heard it on the radio. Arnel is vocally better than Jeff in every regard, and Irving Azoff and the millions of dollars he's betting tell me that's the right decision.

[ArnelRox]

Pardon me? Where can I find this "originality?" Please do include links when blowing me off like that.

Arnel Pineda (self titled): http://www.buy.com/retail/searchresults ... &loc=18250

The Zoo - Zoology: http://www.titikpilipino.com/album/?albumid=1388

U only wish I'd blow u Brian

[StevePerryHair]

Arnel has no originality. What has he done besides "covers?" Nothing.

Nothing u know of obviously. But he's done a solo album he wrote himself & an album w/his band The Zoo which he wrote most of. Not to mention all the other music he's written w/the many bands he's performed in. U don't know much about him yet u post erroneous statements as if they were factual.

Post something original then that he has done and wow us. You keep saying we are "uninformed". I submit you have heard NOTHING and submit that you are uninformed. Show me don't tell me. (Rush reference)

Soto's original material would take days to get through. That fucker is prolific.

Frig and Fro were scared of JSS and found a cheap alternative.

Soto and Arnel both have one thing in common...you won't hear either one on the radio. And while it may "take days to get through" Soto's material, who gives a shit? I've never heard it on the radio. Arnel is vocally better than Jeff in every regard, and Irving Azoff and the millions of dollars he's betting tell me that's the right decision.

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

[AR]

And I don't hate his talent, but he isn't all that. His diction isn't there. Never said he wasn't a good singer, but he is far from great. The most impressive thing he did that I have seen is singing "Alone" by Heart. I gave him credit on that. He reminds me of an American Idol contestant.

Terrible choice for Journey and it's going to blow up in their faces. Since I detest Cain and Schon, this may be the perfect choice.

[heardonthestreet]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. As it is, he will always be filling in and still looking for a band to front. Imo, he's kinda like a "Rent All." Nothing stands out, or like he's not outstanding, imo. Journey was rough around the edges with him and I'm wondering if Arnel can give them the touch of class that Perry gave them. Have to wait and see.

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, sorta lost it there!

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only your hairdresser know's for sure?

[Rick]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. As it is, he will always be filling in and still looking for a band to front. Imo, he's kinda like a "Rent All." Nothing stands out, or like he's not outstanding, imo. Journey was rough around the edges with him and I'm wondering if Arnel can give them the touch of class that Perry gave them. Have to wait and see.

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, sorta lost it there!

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

Jeff's reviews with Journey were blockbuster. 'Nuff said.

[AR]

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

This is easy to pick apart. JSS has had a hell of a career. Malmsteen, Talisman, Journey, a zillion other projects.

Arnel? Hotel bars in Hong Kong for the Chinese mafia and a bunch of hookers?

Brian May hit a slam dunk on his blog when Jeff got fucked over.

[StevePerryHair]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. As it is, he will always be filling in and still looking for a band to front. Imo, he's kinda like a "Rent All." Nothing stands out, or like he's not outstanding, imo. Journey was rough around the edges with him and I'm wondering if Arnel can give them the touch of class that Perry gave them. Have to wait and see.

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, sorta lost it there!

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

Jeff's reviews with Journey were blockbuster. 'Nuff said.

Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ArnelRox]

The songs looked like they were sung in three different languages: English, Tagalog (?) and Spanish - if I read the titles correctly.

If there is a site that has samples of the songs, I'd be willing to check them out.

I will say Arnel looks much better as a brunette, though.

Here u go, this site has his solo album but it's always slowloading (or u could just ask me if u really want to hear them):

http://music.sina.com.cn/yueku/s/12484.html

Yes some songs are in his language, Tagalog, & one is called "Mi Vida, Mi Amor".

I think he looks better as a brunette too, especially w/his hair longer, but I always like long hair on me & I'm sure that's in the minority.

[ArnelRox]

How do u know Arnel was cheaper? Have u seen their contracts & paychecks? Just asking.

No clue as of yet. I have some idea of what was being offered though.

What was offered to Arnel?

[Panther]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

THIS I have to take issue with. Not that I have personal experience seeing AP perform, but I have seen Jeff. Jeff and co. had both the country folk and the stinky ass metal heads jammin and enjoying when he performed his little set in this backwater town. I think there were all of three people there (Crazy Deb and crew) who knew of Jeff prior to this show. The man rocked, pure and simple. It wasn't just the singing, the songs or the band, it was Jeff and that presence of his (not to diminish the band as a whole) that captivated everyone. He'll be a hard act to follow, much the same as Perry.

I'll wager this, IF the J boys plus AP will play a venue similar to what Jeff did here (which most likely will happen - lesser than state fair) at the same admission price AND rock the socks off such a diverse crowd as we had local, I'll give my little beach abode to.. hell.. take your pick.

[ArnelRox]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

[StevePerryHair]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

Again, that is a matter of taste. I have no problem with saying Arnel can hit high notes and sing.

[heardonthestreet]

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

This is easy to pick apart. JSS has had a hell of a career. Malmsteen, Talisman, Journey, a zillion other projects.

Arnel? Hotel bars in Hong Kong for the Chinese mafia and a bunch of hookers?

Brian May hit a slam dunk on his blog when Jeff got fucked over.

Come on ARl Journey was in no position to dump a sure thing. They are dumb but not that dumb.

[AR]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

And let's not totally bring Jeff into it. It's a fair discussion, but just know he has said nice things about Arnel, Chalfant, Jeremey, Augeri, and loves Perry. We can debate it and say whatever, but I think I can say without reprocussion, that Jeff appreciates all their talents to a certain degree.

I am pissed at Frig and Fro for being jerks. They made a heinous mistake and it will play out in whatever way it does.

[ArnelRox]

And I don't hate his talent, but he isn't all that. His diction isn't there. Never said he wasn't a good singer, but he is far from great. The most impressive thing he did that I have seen is singing "Alone" by Heart. I gave him credit on that. He reminds me of an American Idol contestant.

Terrible choice for Journey and it's going to blow up in their faces. Since I detest Cain and Schon, this may be the perfect choice.

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

BTW AI contestants have done really well for themselves & topped the charts.

[ArnelRox]

Jeff's reviews with Journey were blockbuster. 'Nuff said.

Let's see what Arnel's reviews with Journey are, ok?

[heardonthestreet]

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

This is easy to pick apart. JSS has had a hell of a career. Malmsteen, Talisman, Journey, a zillion other projects.

Arnel? Hotel bars in Hong Kong for the Chinese mafia and a bunch of hookers?

Brian May hit a slam dunk on his blog when Jeff got fucked over.

Come on ARl Journey was in no position to dump a sure thing. They are dumb but not that dumb.

Perry was on a turkey farm. When yor're hot, you're hot. We'll see!