Should true Journey fans love every version of Journey?

[StevePerryHair]

Jeff's reviews with Journey were blockbuster. 'Nuff said.

Let's see what Arnel's reviews with Journey are, ok?

He wasn't comparing him to Arnel in that statement. He was defending Jeff as a singer in general.

[AR]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

[ArnelRox]

Arnel? Hotel bars in Hong Kong for the Chinese mafia and a bunch of hookers?

U are SO wrong about Arnel's career. Why dont u do some research before u spout off like Dan did? Here I'll get u started:

http://www.inquirer.net/saturday/jan2000wk4/spc_2.htm

http://www.sunweb.com.hk/Story.asp?hdnS ... e=FEATURES

IF u bother to read those, there's more.

[ArnelRox]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

Again, that is a matter of taste. I have no problem with saying Arnel can hit high notes and sing.

I wasnt speaking from taste actually. I was speaking about technical ability. Taste is always subjective to each person's opinion.

[Matthew]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

Like Strangegrey did with JSS?

[AR]

Wasn't this an ugly Vulcan chick on Star Trek Generations? Sorry that is ridiculous.

[strangegrey]

But he's done...an album w/his band The Zoo...

OUCH! Who bought this? Their moms? Did it sell more than 4 copies?

Yeah it was selling pretty well last time I checked. It hasnt gotten the promotion it was supposed to get...for obvious reasons.

Obvious reasons meaning the shit-ass-poor musicianship of the rest of the band? If I had to stake my reputation as an A&R rep on such a shitty band, I wouldn't promite it EITHER....

[StevePerryHair]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

Again, that is a matter of taste. I have no problem with saying Arnel can hit high notes and sing.

I wasnt speaking from taste actually. I was speaking about technical ability. Taste is always subjective to each person's opinion.

And that is YOUR opinion is my point.

[ArnelRox]

And let's not totally bring Jeff into it. It's a fair discussion, but just know he has said nice things about Arnel, Chalfant, Jeremey, Augeri, and loves Perry. We can debate it and say whatever, but I think I can say without reprocussion, that Jeff appreciates all their talents to a certain degree.

I wasnt the one to bring Jeff into it & I would not expect him to say anything but nice things. He's a classy guy.

[ArnelRox]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

U missed my point Ed. Check out what I put in capital letters.

[Crazie Scarab]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

Again, that is a matter of taste. I have no problem with saying Arnel can hit high notes and sing.

I wasnt speaking from taste actually. I was speaking about technical ability. Taste is always subjective to each person's opinion.

Remember this. Arnel sounds NOTHING like Steve Perry. Not even close.

[AR]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

Like Strangegrey did with JSS?

I can go do this if you like

[ArnelRox]

But he's done...an album w/his band The Zoo...

OUCH! Who bought this? Their moms? Did it sell more than 4 copies?

Yeah it was selling pretty well last time I checked. It hasnt gotten the promotion it was supposed to get...for obvious reasons.

Obvious reasons meaning the shit-ass-poor musicianship of the rest of the band? If I had to stake my reputation as an A&R rep on such a shitty band, I wouldn't promite it EITHER....

No Frank. I meant Arnel's change in direction.

[Saint John]

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

This is easy to pick apart. JSS has had a hell of a career. Malmsteen, Talisman, Journey, a zillion other projects.

Arnel? Hotel bars in Hong Kong for the Chinese mafia and a bunch of hookers?

Brian May hit a slam dunk on his blog when Jeff got fucked over.

Let's add up Arnel's last solo tour and Jeff's, shall we? Wanna continue? When the dust settles, two things are certain...Arnel has a better voice than Jeff in every aspect and 2) he's gonna be fronting Journey. GN.

[Matthew]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

Like Strangegrey did with JSS?

I can go do this if you like

Go ahead...and who knows? Matybe you'll have to retract your comments once Arnel has settled into the job...just like Strangregrey did with JSS.

[ArnelRox]

Maybe you are saying your "opinion" is he is vocally better for Journey, but vocally better??? NO WAY!!!!!

I'm a fan of both Jeff & Arnel. It's not really fair to compare their vocal talents. Jeff has an amazingly strong powerful chest voice. Arnel has a much wider range that he can sing in powerfully. They both have a lot of soul.

Again, that is a matter of taste. I have no problem with saying Arnel can hit high notes and sing.

I wasnt speaking from taste actually. I was speaking about technical ability. Taste is always subjective to each person's opinion.

And that is YOUR opinion is my point.

Actually it's not, but nevermind, u dont get it so it's not worth discussing.

[Aaron]

Dumb fuck, count your posts. I've been here since the begining have almost zero post. You've been here since last week and have almost 5000. Fuck you and get a life. Everyone knows my opinion but I live and let live ...

We are all well aware, many times over, on your position. GEEZ!

We're all aware of ur position too. It hasnt stopped u from stating it again .... & again .... & again.

[strangegrey]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

Like Strangegrey did with JSS?

LOL...sorry Matt, wasn't me that put the work into that....but I will offer this. JSS had legitimate monitor trouble in the beginning of his run with Journey. The clips of him following the monitor correction, show him nailing every note he attempted. Arnel sounds bad in every hotel bar youtube I've ever seen.

[Panther]

This is a very small bar stage too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNN4Z_ZSOI

JSS has a certain charismatic confidence that shows even in youtube vids that I just don't see in Arnel. But to each his own, you'll never sell me and I'll never sell you.....on who is the better frontman. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Jeff absolutely KILLED on a small stage in La Plata, MD recently. Then the larger stage in South Bend just gave him more room. A small stage means NOTHING. Showmanship, charisma, and stage presence come through regardless.

Post them...let's see the crowd(s).

Now Dan, crowd size has nothing to do with the performance. They just needed better promotion to get the people out there!!!!

Crowd size is indicative of interest...which to an artist is the ONLY thing that counts. What good is it if you "KILLED" on stage if no one is there?

Actually, SJ, in some cases KILLING onstage to a miniscule crowd can turn into a good thing. We are now two months out from Jeff's little set here (all truth told, he and the band played to a whoppin twenty/twenty-five people) and word of mouth has taken hold of a wide variety amongst the populace. The kids are starting to talk about him (I took my son with me to the set and he's shared his thoughts and the music with his 100+ bandmates), I know I've talked him up to many people here locally and across the nation who are now buying his music and watching for him to come to their areas. I KNOW Crazy Deb is talking him up every single chance she gets. To hear so many different people talking about and listening to his music is a strange thing down here (mainly tejano, country and some metal edge amongst the adults and that crap they call music out of the rap people for the kids). It's definitely catching.
In my view, though this is just a very small example, if it carried out across the nation from the small level, it will eventually explode despite the music industry's wishes.

[AR]

U sure his diction ISN'T there?

Don't make me capture all the mistakes and make him look bad in one long mp3. I will. That's not what I want.

Like Strangegrey did with JSS?

I can go do this if you like

Go ahead...and who knows? Matybe you'll have to retract your comments once Arnel has settled into the job...just like Strangregrey did with JSS.

Not a chance, he makes Journey look like an American Idol suck band. Think Led Zeppelin or Aerosmith would pull this shit?

Have fun with "The Parrot". Mine couldn't properly introduce a song either.

[Crazie Scarab]

Dumb fuck, count your posts. I've been here since the begining have almost zero post. You've been here since last week and have almost 5000. Fuck you and get a life. Everyone knows my opinion but I live and let live ...

We are all well aware, many times over, on your position. GEEZ!

We're all aware of ur position too. It hasnt stopped u from stating it again .... & again .... & again.

She's been around here. Let that shit go.

[ArnelRox]

Dumb fuck, count your posts. I've been here since the begining have almost zero post. You've been here since last week and have almost 5000. Fuck you and get a life. Everyone knows my opinion but I live and let live ...

Last week? Check again. If u live & let live, live & let me live instead of calling me names I havent called u.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I think too many people are overly concerned about "range" and "hitting Perry's High notes"
in these back and forth discussions of Arnel this, Jeff that, Augeri this, Perry that...

Who really give's a rat's hairy ass if ANY of them can hit those high notes???
Hell, The FRONTIERS and ROR tours were absolutely FABULOUS and Perry
couldn't even hit those notes anymore and didn't have the range he used to.

It's about personality. It's about Stage presence. It's about Charisma.
It's about putting heart, soul and total emotion into every word.
It's about taking these over-played, tired songs and making them exciting and fresh.
It's about being able to get fans on their feet and screaming with excitement with
just a look, w/o singing a single note... It's the "It" factor. It's the "X" factor.

Augeri had it for awhile at first. Jeff has it. Perry... he broke the fucking mold!!!

Can this guy Arnel do all that??? I could care less if he "sounds" just like Perry
or if he can "hit those high notes!" I got DVDs and CDs of Perry doing all that!

I want fresh! I want to be TRULY entertained! I want to be blown away with
something that "sounds like Journey" but has taken that "Journey Sound" to another
plane of existence!

Can Arnel do that???

Someone?
Anyone???

[ArnelRox]

Dumb fuck, count your posts. I've been here since the begining have almost zero post. You've been here since last week and have almost 5000. Fuck you and get a life. Everyone knows my opinion but I live and let live ...

We are all well aware, many times over, on your position. GEEZ!

We're all aware of ur position too. It hasnt stopped u from stating it again .... & again .... & again.

She's been around here. Let that shit go.

I love u too Brian. Thanks.

[Aaron]

All I'm saying is that you're doing more damage than good for your boy. If you're not smart enough to see it then keep rockin ... dumbass.

Dumb fuck, count your posts. I've been here since the begining have almost zero post. You've been here since last week and have almost 5000. Fuck you and get a life. Everyone knows my opinion but I live and let live ...

Last week? Check again. If u live & let live, live & let me live instead of calling me names I havent called u.

[Saint John]

I would like to get fre tickets just to see it blow up, I wont be buying them

I have the informed opinion that Arnel is mediocre as a full package. Very good voice, ZERO stage presence, and it's going to be hilarious when he tries to address an ampitheater (really a state fair) crowd.

This is going to be a trainwreck.

I bet that Arnel is more impressive than JSS but very short of Perry, but then who wouldn't be?

more impressive than what ?? JSS' singing and stage performance? hardly,,, Soto was the complete package,, writer, performer, AND vocalist.. amazing vocalists..

If JSS was the complete package, he would be on top of things right now. As it is, he will always be filling in and still looking for a band to front. Imo, he's kinda like a "Rent All." Nothing stands out, or like he's not outstanding, imo. Journey was rough around the edges with him and I'm wondering if Arnel can give them the touch of class that Perry gave them. Have to wait and see.

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, sorta lost it there!

Don't be sorry! I can appreciate your feelings on this. I have to say that if JSS is as great as many of you feel he is, he should be in a better position than what he is. A band the likes of Journey should have been doing the wine and rose's thing. Has anyone picked up on the exposure he had while filling in for their ailing frontman and said, " Hey, if Journey can't use him, we want him? Is he as underated as a musician as Schon is? Only uou're hairdresser know's for sure?

Jeff's reviews with Journey were blockbuster. 'Nuff said.

The reviews you saw were. C'mon, use your head...Journey didn't sack Jeff because he was too good. You fuckers are too much. What a joke. Listen to the boots. Missed notes. Deen filling in on the high parts. It's obvious. This isn't Arnel vs. Jeff...it's Jeff vs. the catalog. He lost...just couldn't do it. Move on...Arnel's turn to try...nothing more.

[ArnelRox]

Can this guy Arnel do all that??? I could care less if he "sounds" just like Perry
or if he can "hit those high notes!" I got DVDs and CDs of Perry doing all that!

I want fresh! I want to be TRULY entertained! I want to be blown away with
something that "sounds like Journey" but has taken that "Journey Sound" to another
plane of existence!

Can Arnel do that???

Someone?
Anyone???[/size]

YES!!!!!! Wait & see.

[AR]

I'm avoiding name calling. Stating my case this time without much of the fire and brimstone. I will be vindicated and laughing very soon.

There IS a way that dumb ass Frig and Fro could survive with Arnel for a bit. Not that I will post it though.

Highly unlikely anyway, but I have an idea of how they could.

Annex people feel free to ask, and I will tell you.

[ArnelRox]

All I'm saying is that you're doing more damage than good for your boy. If you're not smart enough to see it then keep rockin ... dumbass.

Sticks & stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

U never liked me no matter what I've said, it wouldn't change if I was promoting Kamala (or whatever Ed's guy's name is) for Journey.

[Granny]

Dumb fuck, count your posts. I've been here since the begining have almost zero post. You've been here since last week and have almost 5000. Fuck you and get a life. Everyone knows my opinion but I live and let live ...

We are all well aware, many times over, on your position. GEEZ!

We're all aware of ur position too. It hasnt stopped u from stating it again .... & again .... & again.

She's been around here. Let that shit go.

I love u too Brian. Thanks.

Aaron----Susie is quite knowledgeable about Journey and has been around here for a long time. she just took a break for a few months....

BTW, how are u feeling now? Have things settled down for you? Sure hope things are going well...