Will the casual Journey fan accept Arnel?

[Voyager]

[Van Halen probably doubled their fans interest when DLR came back.

Put down the cats and get on stage dude.

Fucking A - I couldn't agree more. Put down those fucking cats, get in a damned studio with Friga and Fro and pull off a 6-track EP, and do 20 cities with the instruments tuned down a full step (to take the pressure off Steve's vocal range). Is that too much to ask? They could play 20 major city arenas at $300.00 per ticket and sell out every seat in the house. 20 x 20,000 x $300.00 = $120,000,000.00. That would go a long way towards paying off Neal's alimony payments.

[Rick]

[Van Halen probably doubled their fans interest when DLR came back.

Put down the cats and get on stage dude.

Fucking A - I couldn't agree more. Put down those fucking cats, get in a damned studio with Friga and Fro and pull off a 6-track EP, and do 20 cities with the instruments tuned down a full step (to take the pressure off Steve's vocal range). Is that too much to ask? They could play 20 major city arenas at $300.00 per ticket and sell out every seat in the house. 20 x 20,000 x $500.00 = $120,000,000.00. That would go a long way towards paying off Neal's alimony payments.

You would know better than me, how tuned down was the Bill Graham tribute show? That was noticeable. His voice was totally crapped out there. He came back and did FTLOSM and TBF, and obviously, some vocal exercise had brought it back a great deal. Never mind that he blows the lyrics at the Bill Graham tribute.

If you haven't heard the Bill Graham tribute, it's here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5swl3jZGaU

[Voyager]

[You would know better than me, how tuned down was the Bill Graham tribute show? That was noticeable. His voice was totally crapped out there.

His voice started out real good, but lost it by the middle of Faithfully. It's easy for me to see that this was the beginning of the end. Steve realized that he could not handle the rigors of singing the stuff he sang in his younger days. It was simply no longer possible for him to hit those high notes. No one else seems to realize this but him.

I would bet that if the in-ear monitors were avilable back in the 80's, Steve could have used them and spared blowing out his voice. When a vocalist cannot hear his stage monitors, his voice can easily be shredded by the end of the first set. That can be very damaging to a singer's vocal chords - especially when you're singing Journey music.

[Saint John]

Here's something we should all be able to agree upon. Steve Perry doesn't care about keeping his fans "in the loop." He doesn't care to answer our calls for him to come back. His answer to everything lies in ambiguity. The guy is a so called "private" person. That's his right. It's also this fan's right to say he's a fuckin' jerk. Journey fans and their support gave him everything he has, in return he chooses to give us Q&A's and cryptic messages. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

[Rick]

[You would know better than me, how tuned down was the Bill Graham tribute show? That was noticeable. His voice was totally crapped out there.

His voice started out real good, but lost it by the middle of Faithfully. It's easy for me to see that this was the beginning of the end. Steve realized that he could not handle the rigors of singing the stuff he sang in his younger days. It was simply no longer possible for him to hit those high notes. No one else seems to realize this but him.

I would bet that if the in-ear monitors were avilable back in the 80's, Steve could have used them and spared blowing out his voice. When a vocalist cannot hear his stage monitors, his voice can easily be shredded by the end of the first set. That can be very damaging to a singer's vocal chords - especially when you're singing Journey music.

Jonathan Cain said that Steve Perry bled a little with each performance. He pushed it too hard, and never didn't. Even when he was becoming vocally crippled, some in '83 and then more in '86, he kept blowing it out. He always gave it all he had. It's a wonder he can still talk.

There are a few clips of him singing backing vocals on recent tracks, and while you can still hear that it's damn sure him, you can hear that he's got some major vocal damage. If you aren't aware of those, an earlier one is where he sings with David Pack of Ambrosia on a track called A Brand New Start, and then one with a punk band called Guff, where he sings on a track called I Can See It In Your Eyes, which was an unreleased Journey track that they punked up. It's not bad at all.

[Saint John]

[You would know better than me, how tuned down was the Bill Graham tribute show? That was noticeable. His voice was totally crapped out there.

His voice started out real good, but lost it by the middle of Faithfully. It's easy for me to see that this was the beginning of the end. Steve realized that he could not handle the rigors of singing the stuff he sang in his younger days. It was simply no longer possible for him to hit those high notes. No one else seems to realize this but him.

I would bet that if the in-ear monitors were avilable back in the 80's, Steve could have used them and spared blowing out his voice. When a vocalist cannot hear his stage monitors, his voice can easily be shredded by the end of the first set. That can be very damaging to a singer's vocal chords - especially when you're singing Journey music.

Jonathan Cain said that Steve Perry bled a little with each performance. He pushed it too hard, and never didn't. Even when he was becoming vocally crippled, some in '83 and then more in '86, he kept blowing it out. He always gave it all he had. It's a wonder he can still talk.

There are a few clips of him singing backing vocals on recent tracks, and while you can still hear that it's damn sure him, you can hear that he's got some major vocal damage. If you aren't aware of those, an earlier one is where he sings with David Pack of Ambrosia on a track called A Brand New Start, and then one with a punk band called Guff, where he sings on a track called I Can See It In Your Eyes, which was an unreleased Journey track that they punked up. It's not bad at all.

The only blood Cain saw was his fuckin' tampon leaking. Perry's excuses have run their course. He shits on his fans. Unless of course, you were one of the 10 women that got a hug from that recluse has been.

[Rip Rokken]

Perry's excuses have run their course. He s***s on his fans.

I don't wanna be anywhere in the room when he does that...

[donnaplease]

The only blood Cain saw was his fuckin' tampon leaking. Perry's excuses have run their course. He shits on his fans. Unless of course, you were one of the 10 women that got a hug from that recluse has been.

Dan, that's BS and you know it! NEAL SCHON shits on his fans! JON CAIN shits on his fans! While I agree about the ambiguity behind his comments and behavior, in the end, he has been much more respectful of the 'legacy' that is Journey than Friga and the Fro have been.

The tampon comment is freakin' hilarious!!!

[donnaplease]

Wow ur friends are cool then. I was at work tonite & actually talking to some customers about concerts & most of them could care less who is in the band, they just go for the music they remember from back in the day. Just a few people I've met won't go unless it's the original line up. I've been to a lot of concerts over the past several years & most people I've met couldn't tell u the name of any band member or the lead singer. I remember trying to educate people about Jeff last year at a Journey concert & getting blank looks from a lot of people. Some were interested but more could care less.

I think those people would not pay the money for a 'big name' concert ticket unless Journey was attached to someone such as Def Leppard, who still has the original singer in place. Otherwise, they'll just go to a local bar and listen to a cover band do the same songs just as well as the new guy, for a whole lot less moohla. Arnel will not get the same reaction that Jeff got, IMO. He doesn't have the stage presence to wow the crowd. He just doesn't. It's not about ethnicity, or language, or looks, or voice. It's about the total sum of those things, though, and unfortunately, Arnel is lacking. I just happen to believe he will not be accepted as a frontman for Journey. The WOW factor just insn't there for this gig. And I'm sorry to say that I believe when Friga & the Fro come to finally realize this, Arnel will be thrown away like a dirty diaper. JMO.

[Arkansas]

The casual fan will neither accept, nor reject, AP. They simply won't care.

'Conversation after a 2008 Journey show'
(lasts about 10 seconds)

"Hey those guys have still got it."
"Yeah, they rocked!"
"Don't know who that Asian dude singing was, but he was pretty good."
"That wasn't Perry?"
"No. Must be some new San Francisco kid."
"Hhhm. Let's go to the bar"
"Okay."


later~

[strangegrey]

Perry's excuses have run their course. He s***s on his fans.

I don't wanna be anywhere in the room when he does that...

Im sure there are some fans of his that would gladly watch, then take out a spoon...

[AR]

They could play 20 major city arenas at $300.00 per ticket and sell out every seat in the house

While I think the tour would do well with Perry, that's pushing things a bit. It would probably do the same business Van Halen is doing.

[SteveForever]

They could play 20 major city arenas at $300.00 per ticket and sell out every seat in the house

While I think the tour would do well with Perry, that's pushing things a bit. It would probably do the same business Van Halen is doing.

Ed, you way underestimate Perry's female friends.

[strangegrey]

I think those people would not pay the money for a 'big name' concert ticket unless Journey was attached to someone such as Def Leppard, who still has the original singer in place. Otherwise, they'll just go to a local bar and listen to a cover band do the same songs just as well as the new guy, for a whole lot less moohla. Arnel will not get the same reaction that Jeff got, IMO. He doesn't have the stage presence to wow the crowd. He just doesn't. It's not about ethnicity, or language, or looks, or voice. It's about the total sum of those things, though, and unfortunately, Arnel is lacking. I just happen to believe he will not be accepted as a frontman for Journey. The WOW factor just insn't there for this gig. And I'm sorry to say that I believe when Friga & the Fro come to finally realize this, Arnel will be thrown away like a dirty diaper. JMO.

Donna, good post. I've been saying this for a while. No disrespect to JSS, but the DL/Jrny tour would have been a failure without DL. Both bands are on a hard decline....they needed the other. It's a common way for bands to maintain a level of venue these days. Latch onto another act and hope to God that they bring their fair share of fans...so you're not playing to empty halls.

There are people that maintain that the casual fan wont care at all who's on the mic...and that most of them wont even know or care whether it's Arnel, JSS, Steve A or Steve P singing. I heartily disagree. If Steve P were singing for this band, they would be playing venues twice-three times the size of anything jrny can draw on it's own. The fact of the matter is that this band is and has always been a vocally driven band. Schon's not the focal point...perry's voice is.

The casual fan does care...it's just not manifested in a way that can be attributed to specifics. Maybe there'll be a percentage decline in attendance. Maybe there'll be a percentage decline in album sales...whatever it is, it wont be a specific thing, unless Journey hires a statistician.


Another thing...Take whatever Arnel brings to the table (or doesn't bring)...and throw it out the window for a brief minute. I really think the fact that we're now looking at singer #4 (fleischman out of the equation for this)...a band simply cant recover from this. I don't know a single band that has been able to replace a *key* singer 3 times and recover from it. It's just not possible. Too many people are unsettled by these constant changes. It creates an aire of instability...and people want stability from their band. The product gets watered down...cheapened...etc...

Now, lets reinject Arnel back into this. All of the various issues regarding him devalue the product even more. The pronunciation, the lack of stage presence and the intangibles.

It will be another failed experiment...and Neal and Cain will do exactly what Donna alluded to. They will discard him like a used tampon....and come up with some other hair brain scheme to scrape the bottom of the barrel further.

The's only one solution for these jerkwads...and that solution is happily living a private life and wants nothing to do with them.

[bluejeangirl76]

20 x 20,000 x $500.00 = $120,000,000.00. That would go a long way towards paying off Neal's alimony payments.

Wow, that's a lot of fake tits. Neal could fund ALL the Journey wives and ex-wives with that.
There can't be much left to ride on with those "Oh Sherrie" royalties either, maybe Neal could hook her up too.

(hey, I'm just trying to help...)

[strangegrey]

20 x 20,000 x $500.00 = $120,000,000.00. That would go a long way towards paying off Neal's alimony payments.

Wow, that's a lot of fake tits. Neal could fund ALL the Journey wives and ex-wives with that.
There can't be much left to ride on with those "Oh Sherrie" royalties either, maybe Neal could hook her up too.

(hey, I'm just trying to help...)

Dont forget about the t-shirts, incense, candles, journey-branded tampons, beach balls...etc...theres alot of useless merch that can be sold.

[ArnelRox]

Here's something we should all be able to agree upon. Steve Perry doesn't care about keeping his fans "in the loop." He doesn't care to answer our calls for him to come back. His answer to everything lies in ambiguity. The guy is a so called "private" person. That's his right. It's also this fan's right to say he's a fuckin' jerk. Journey fans and their support gave him everything he has, in return he chooses to give us Q&A's and cryptic messages. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

How many cocktails did u have last nite Dan?

[AR]

Here's something we should all be able to agree upon. Steve Perry doesn't care about keeping his fans "in the loop." He doesn't care to answer our calls for him to come back. His answer to everything lies in ambiguity. The guy is a so called "private" person. That's his right. It's also this fan's right to say he's a fuckin' jerk. Journey fans and their support gave him everything he has, in return he chooses to give us Q&A's and cryptic messages. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

How many cocktails did u have last nite Dan?

Probably as many as I did.

[Saint John]

Here's something we should all be able to agree upon. Steve Perry doesn't care about keeping his fans "in the loop." He doesn't care to answer our calls for him to come back. His answer to everything lies in ambiguity. The guy is a so called "private" person. That's his right. It's also this fan's right to say he's a fuckin' jerk. Journey fans and their support gave him everything he has, in return he chooses to give us Q&A's and cryptic messages. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

How many cocktails did u have last nite Dan?

Probably as many as I did.

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

[AR]

Here's something we should all be able to agree upon. Steve Perry doesn't care about keeping his fans "in the loop." He doesn't care to answer our calls for him to come back. His answer to everything lies in ambiguity. The guy is a so called "private" person. That's his right. It's also this fan's right to say he's a fuckin' jerk. Journey fans and their support gave him everything he has, in return he chooses to give us Q&A's and cryptic messages. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

How many cocktails did u have last nite Dan?

Probably as many as I did.

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

Dan, my wife bought 10 cases last night without me asking. She's a horrible influence.

[Saint John]

Here's something we should all be able to agree upon. Steve Perry doesn't care about keeping his fans "in the loop." He doesn't care to answer our calls for him to come back. His answer to everything lies in ambiguity. The guy is a so called "private" person. That's his right. It's also this fan's right to say he's a fuckin' jerk. Journey fans and their support gave him everything he has, in return he chooses to give us Q&A's and cryptic messages. FUCK HIM!!!!!!!!

How many cocktails did u have last nite Dan?

Probably as many as I did.

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

Dan, my wife bought 10 cases last night without me asking. She's a horrible influence.

Does she have a single sister?

[ArnelRox]

I think those people would not pay the money for a 'big name' concert ticket unless Journey was attached to someone such as Def Leppard, who still has the original singer in place.

Sure they would & they do, all the time. Just like many of them are going to see Foreigner next month even tho they don't have their original singer & the band only consists of one original member.

U guys can make this excuse all u want but ur still not convincing the casual fan who doesnt even read here.

Arnel will not get the same reaction that Jeff got, IMO. He doesn't have the stage presence to wow the crowd. He just doesn't. It's not about ethnicity, or language, or looks, or voice. It's about the total sum of those things, though, and unfortunately, Arnel is lacking. I just happen to believe he will not be accepted as a frontman for Journey. The WOW factor just insn't there for this gig. And I'm sorry to say that I believe when Friga & the Fro come to finally realize this, Arnel will be thrown away like a dirty diaper. JMO.

Yeah it is just UR opinion, oh & about 15 of ur very prolific friends who post here also (& no doubt they'll all arrive to back u up any second now). The simple fact of the matter is u have never seen Arnel perform anywhere except YouTube so u don't know anything about his stage presence, nothing. As for WOW factor, he's got a ton of that going on but u can't take off the blinders to see it. He has it in his voice, his looks, & his ability to drive his audience nuts (btw, that's stage presence). No he doesn't bang his chest, grab his groin, or sway his hips in the captivating way that Jeff does. He doesn't stomp like Perry. He has his own unique style of moving & dancing that is also very captivating & it's not ripped off from anyone. But u don't know that b/c all u & ur friends can do is mock him & throw out things u don't even know about. The bottom line is: ur friend didn't get the job so ur bitter. That's all that's to it. If u think all ur protestations putting Arnel down fool anyone, think again. Ur completely transparent.

Why don't u try raising ur friend up instead of putting Arnel down? Some positive energy might go a long way. All that negativity will surely cause u to age prematurely.

[ArnelRox]

The casual fan will neither accept, nor reject, AP. They simply won't care.

'Conversation after a 2008 Journey show'
(lasts about 10 seconds)

"Hey those guys have still got it."
"Yeah, they rocked!"
"Don't know who that Asian dude singing was, but he was pretty good."
"That wasn't Perry?"
"No. Must be some new San Francisco kid."
"Hhhm. Let's go to the bar"
"Okay."


later~

Exactly. Thanks for living in reality. (Except I'm not even sure they'll look hard enough to notice he's Asian.)

[ArnelRox]

There can't be much left to ride on with those "Oh Sherrie" royalties either, maybe Neal could hook her up too.

She doesnt need any help. She has a life & a career & does just fine.

[Strange Medicine]

Though I'd agree that Arnel's voice is superior to JSS, if he doesn't have any showmanship or frontman energy, it won't amount to anything. Well, at least not to me. He'd better, at least, have Augeri's level.

[ArnelRox]

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

Bud Light? Wimpy beer. I'd drink u under the table & I wouldn't even have to come here trashing Perry in the process

[ArnelRox]

Though I'd agree that Arnel's voice is superior to JSS, if he doesn't have any showmanship or frontman energy, it won't amount to anything. Well, at least not to me. He'd better, at least, have Augeri's level.

I was never a big fan of Augeri on stage mainly b/c I didnt care for his wiggle. IMHO Arnel is a lot more exciting than that to watch.

[Saint John]

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

Bud Light? Wimpy beer. I'd drink u under the table & I wouldn't even have to come here trashing Perry in the process

Regular beer is gross and causes hangovers. In the end, I consume twice as much but get the proper water in the process so as to not have a pounding headache the next day. If I were drink regular beer I'd put myself in a coma. Bud Light and Coors Light are excellent beers. The only thing you'd be doing "under the table" is...nevermind.

[Strange Medicine]

Though I'd agree that Arnel's voice is superior to JSS, if he doesn't have any showmanship or frontman energy, it won't amount to anything. Well, at least not to me. He'd better, at least, have Augeri's level.

I was never a big fan of Augeri on stage mainly b/c I didnt care for his wiggle. IMHO Arnel is a lot more exciting than that to watch.

Well, to be fair, I can't exactly say that you're an objective source. Arnel's got the voice, but everyone is correct when they say that there is more to it than that. Likewise, stage acrobatics and sprinting doesn't make one a good frontman, either. It's audience connection; Perry had it, Augeri managed it, and so did Soto.

[AR]

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

Bud Light? Wimpy beer. I'd drink u under the table & I wouldn't even have to come here trashing Perry in the process

Regular beer is gross and causes hangovers. In the end, I consume twice as much but get the proper water in the process so as to not have a pounding headache the next day. If I were drink regular beer I'd put myself in a coma. Bud Light and Coors Light are excellent beers. The only thing you'd be doing "under the table" is...nevermind.

Coors Light has as much alcohol as most "regular" beers. I can drink the heavier stuff and still compete with the beer snobs. I prefer my 34 inch waist though at age 39.