Journey could correct everything if they did this....

[Journey69]

If SP can really still sing and he really wants to do the right thing. They could correct it by doing one last tour,Letting Perry have control ,mainly because he knows what he's capable of..Then they all retire the Journey name..Better yet,Do a new album with Perry,tour a little call it a career.. Call the album,Like Herbie Herbert said in his interview,Freedom ! Neal and the boys get a new singer like JSS, start something new and get that new group rolling..They could have another legacy if they choose..This is the only way I think anyone can see them redeeming themselves... But from what I read somewhere,Neal tried to talk to Perry and he wouldn't have any of it..

[Saint John]

This has all been offered to Mr. Perry. He's steadfast about going out on top. That TBF tour was killer!!!

[Strange Medicine]

No doubt I'll be crucified by the population of these boards, but it has to be said: I honestly doubt Steve Perry's ability to tour -- at all -- anymore. No doubt that the man still has a pleasant, if not beautiful voice. But I truthfully believe that he lacks the stamina and endurance required to carry the band on a tour. He's lost an ample amount of his range (though even his outings in TBF, "I Stand Alone", and the backing vocal incidents show that he's still got some substantial power). The man obviously can't cover the old catalogue, and I doubt he could make massive recoveries if he went back to doing vocal exercises and warm-ups.

There are two schools of thought: "if you use it too much, you lose it" or "you don't use it, you lose it". Perry's done both. He overworked his voice back in his prime, and his long hiatuses and "vacations" haven't helped him.

[Strange Medicine]

Excuse the double post.

[Saint John]

No doubt I'll be crucified by the population of these boards, but it has to be said: I honestly doubt Steve Perry's ability to tour -- at all -- anymore. No doubt that the man still has a pleasant, if not beautiful voice. But I truthfully believe that he lacks the stamina and endurance required to carry the band on a tour. He's lost an ample amount of his range (though even his outings in TBF, "I Stand Alone", and the backing vocal incidents show that he's still got some substantial power). The man obviously can't cover the old catalogue, and I doubt he could make massive recoveries if he went back to doing vocal exercises and warm-ups.

There are two schools of thought: "if you use it too much, you lose it" or "you don't use it, you lose it". Perry's done both. He overworked his voice back in his prime, and his long hiatuses and "vacations" haven't helped him.

Davis Lee Roth is in the same boat as are other artists. However, they choose to give the fans what they want. Fuck...a simple "I will never be performing or touring with Journey again" would really end most/all speculation.

[bluejeangirl76]

If SP can really still sing and he really wants to do the right thing.

Do the "right thing"? That implies that he's somehow obligated to fix everything and make it all right again. He's not Journey's baby-daddy. It's not his job to show up and support the supreme chaos created by everyone involved after he left.

Let's say you're on medical leave from work and your job decided you were taking too long and replaced you, only to ask you back years later to fix everything after your successors and co-workers fucked it all up... would you go back? Or would you tell them, "You had your chance, you fucked me over and now you want my help? Bite me." Hypothetically speaking of course.

[Strange Medicine]

No doubt I'll be crucified by the population of these boards, but it has to be said: I honestly doubt Steve Perry's ability to tour -- at all -- anymore. No doubt that the man still has a pleasant, if not beautiful voice. But I truthfully believe that he lacks the stamina and endurance required to carry the band on a tour. He's lost an ample amount of his range (though even his outings in TBF, "I Stand Alone", and the backing vocal incidents show that he's still got some substantial power). The man obviously can't cover the old catalogue, and I doubt he could make massive recoveries if he went back to doing vocal exercises and warm-ups.

There are two schools of thought: "if you use it too much, you lose it" or "you don't use it, you lose it". Perry's done both. He overworked his voice back in his prime, and his long hiatuses and "vacations" haven't helped him.

Davis Lee Roth is in the same boat as are other artists. However, they choose to give the fans what they want. Fuck...a simple "I will never be performing or touring with Journey again" would really end most/all speculation.

Comparing Steve Perry to David Lee Roth is a stretch, SJ. While both are skilled and amazing frontmen, that's all they have in common. Perry's vocal ability kicks the dogshit out of DLR. It's not close. So for DLR to lose his voice... it's not the same. And hasn't Perry said that he has no intention of performing or touring with Journey?

[ArnelRox]

And hasn't Perry said that he has no intention of performing or touring with Journey?

Over & over & over. If he tattooed it on his forehead, people still wouldn't believe it.

[strangegrey]

Do the "right thing"? That implies that he's somehow obligated to fix everything and make it all right again. He's not Journey's baby-daddy. It's not his job to show up and support the supreme chaos created by everyone involved after he left.

Amen there....he's not responsible for just how much Neal and Cain fucked things up...not at all.

I do submit that it is well within Perry's power to *easily* fix Fucka and Fro's stupid mistakes. I don't think, however, Perry has one shred of interest in throwing those two fuckholes a lifeline. I've said it here before, if schon caught fire, I don't think I'd whip it out and piss on him to put out the fire....unless his mouth were open.

If that's the way *I* feel, just a fan....imagine how Perry feels. He might feel obliged to toss a cup of kerosene on Schon....just for good measure.

[bluejeangirl76]

Fuck...a simple "I will never be performing or touring with Journey again" would really end most/all speculation.

But he has said that. Several times, and in several ways. Everytime I read a thread like this, I wonder if he's speaking some language that only I can understand. It seemed pretty clear, at least to me, by all his statements that he has no intention to ever rejoining Journey.


"It has been brought to my attention that there is a rumor circulating that I am reuniting with Journey. I want to go on record as saying that I have no such plans whatsoever to do that." -- 2007


"Well [Neal] is and will always be a guitar genius and we were very good together that's for sure. There are many, many old relationships I would like to go back to but after they've run their course- sometimes only love is left...... without the desire to go back. Neal and I could be in that place." -- 2006

[Journey69]

Do people not do 180's..? Say something ,then feel different the next day.. If SP gave a shit about his legacy,and actually sing..I agree that he can't cover most of his older stuff.. He can sing,and the thing is,if he did tour and didn't sound the same,people would still give him a standing ovation,just for coming back and trying..There would be no shame in that..I believe he feels ,if he can't do it like he used to,then he won't do it..I don't fault him for that..But for the Love of god,Like SJ says,just come out and say your retired already..

[Saint John]

Fuck...a simple "I will never be performing or touring with Journey again" would really end most/all speculation.

But he has said that. Several times, and in several ways. Everytime I read a thread like this, I wonder if he's speaking some language that only I can understand. It seemed pretty clear, at least to me, by all his statements that he has no intention to ever rejoining Journey.


"It has been brought to my attention that there is a rumor circulating that I am reuniting with Journey. I want to go on record as saying that I have no such plans whatsoever to do that." -- 2007


"Well [Neal] is and will always be a guitar genius and we were very good together that's for sure. There are many, many old relationships I would like to go back to but after they've run their course- sometimes only love is left...... without the desire to go back. Neal and I could be in that place." -- 2006

And I could counter with "Never say never" and "I think about it all the time."

[bluejeangirl76]

if schon caught fire, I don't think I'd whip it out and piss on him to put out the fire....unless his mouth were open.

MY SIDE HURTS!! Don't give a KNOWN photoshop offender an image like THAT to work with.

[strangegrey]

Good point...he's contradicted himself.

I suspect part of that is because he relishes in the anguish some of his fans display and have displayed for the past 20 years. He loves people pining for him like lost puppy dogs. He probably orgasms every time he hears online stories from Laura about what people are like here.

I dunno....I still maintain that the *only* way Journey fixes the shattered legacy is through Perry's return. It only gets worse if they revisit Augeri or JSS....and it gets completely destroyed beyond recognition if they bring on Arnel....he will go down in history as the outsourced destroyer!

Perry can fix this...with a simply "yes"...and a far less simple 'follow through' on tour plans.

Without the above two things....this band is dead, burried and its legacy is hanging in a balance with the likes of Milli Vanili and Right Said Fred!

[bluejeangirl76]

And I could counter with "Never say never" and "I think about it all the time."

True, he's said those things many times, but not talking about Journey. He says that a lot in response to questions about if HE will record or perform again, but the original topic was about him fixing Journey. I can't recall anything where he ever said he thinks about going back to Journey.

[bluejeangirl76]

He probably orgasms every time he hears online stories from Laura about what people are like here.

Wow. There's an image. I don't think he orgasms.
I do think he triple checks that his ADT bill was paid though.

[ArnelRox]

I don't think he orgasms.

I think he orgasms. Maybe not about his fans, but I do think he orgasms. Everyone orgasms, dont they?

[bluejeangirl76]

I don't think he orgasms.

I think he orgasms. Maybe not about his fans, but I do think he orgasms. Everyone orgasms, dont they?

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT.

[Journey69]

And I could counter with "Never say never" and "I think about it all the time."

True, he's said those things many times, but not talking about Journey. He says that a lot in response to questions about if HE will record or perform again, but the original topic was about him fixing Journey. I can't recall anything where he ever said he thinks about going back to Journey.

You could see his disdain for Neal on the you tube walk of fame video.. Neal said he was writing some new music for Journey,and said indirectly to Steve standing next to him that he could always come sing..Steve said with a pissed off disposition and rolling his eyes..I heard you have a new band.. Meaning,probably Soul SirkUs.. Meaning why would I when you can't even concentrate on Journey... I think the bitterness is more on Perry's part.. I think they but heads too much in the studio..Neal wants to do rock and Steve wants to do ballads,which at this point is easier for him.. JMO

[bluejeangirl76]

And I could counter with "Never say never" and "I think about it all the time."

True, he's said those things many times, but not talking about Journey. He says that a lot in response to questions about if HE will record or perform again, but the original topic was about him fixing Journey. I can't recall anything where he ever said he thinks about going back to Journey.

You could see his disdain for Neal on the you tube walk of fame video.. Neal said he was writing some new music for Journey,and said indirectly to Steve standing next to him that he could always come sing..Steve said with a pissed off disposition and rolling his eyes..I heard you have a new band.. Meaning,probably Soul SirkUs.. Meaning why would I when you can't even concentrate on Journey... I think the bitterness is more on Perry's part.. I think they but heads too much in the studio..Neal wants to do rock and Steve wants to do ballads,which at this point is easier for him.. JMO

I took that more at Perry getting hit with the big Journey issue again and wishing to change the subject. I think it was more like like disdain at being put on the spot with a camera rolling than it was at Neal. It was a clear dodge of Neal's comment about him being invited to come sing with them, but the reason for said dodge is pretty much anyone's guess. I took his quick subject change as kind of like "Oh fuck, not this again..." but there could be any number of reasons for it, probably none of which were appropriate to mention or discuss with an Entertainment Tonight camera halfway up his nose.

I mean if you were Steve Perry, would you want to show up at a Journey show to sing 3 songs and share the stage with the guy they replaced you with... or the ones who chose to replace you, for that matter. Or whatever other reason there might be. *SHRUG* But he wasn't about to say anything like that, so he changed the subject and asked Neal about his band. Sure it was blatant but probably better than going "Fuck no, you ain't gonna catch my ass at a Journey show. Eat me."

[ArnelRox]

I don't think he orgasms.

I think he orgasms. Maybe not about his fans, but I do think he orgasms. Everyone orgasms, dont they?

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT.

Yeah but u gave a dirty old girl like me a mental image of Perry orgasming & well, what did u expect?

[Journey69]

And I could counter with "Never say never" and "I think about it all the time."

True, he's said those things many times, but not talking about Journey. He says that a lot in response to questions about if HE will record or perform again, but the original topic was about him fixing Journey. I can't recall anything where he ever said he thinks about going back to Journey.

You could see his disdain for Neal on the you tube walk of fame video.. Neal said he was writing some new music for Journey,and said indirectly to Steve standing next to him that he could always come sing..Steve said with a pissed off disposition and rolling his eyes..I heard you have a new band.. Meaning,probably Soul SirkUs.. Meaning why would I when you can't even concentrate on Journey... I think the bitterness is more on Perry's part.. I think they but heads too much in the studio..Neal wants to do rock and Steve wants to do ballads,which at this point is easier for him.. JMO

I took that more at Perry getting hit with the big Journey issue again and wishing to change the subject. I think it was more like like disdain at being put on the spot with a camera rolling than it was at Neal. It was a clear dodge of Neal's comment about him being invited to come sing with them, but the reason for said dodge is pretty much anyone's guess. I took his quick subject change as kind of like "Oh fuck, not this again..." but there could be any number of reasons for it, probably none of which were appropriate to mention or discuss with an Entertainment Tonight camera halfway up his nose.

I mean if you were Steve Perry, would you want to show up at a Journey show to sing 3 songs and share the stage with the guy they replaced you with... or the ones who chose to replace you, for that matter. Or whatever other reason there might be. *SHRUG* But he wasn't about to say anything like that, so he changed the subject and asked Neal about his band. Sure it was blatant but probably better than going "Fuck no, you ain't gonna catch my ass at a Journey show. Eat me."

I just saw the video a couple days ago..It was probably part,not Journey again,and agitation that Neal had another side band going on top of it. The camera's didn't help.. I doubt SP would ever come back,just for the simple fact he feels like the band slapped him in the face by going on without him.. When,really it was the other way around. I mean,between 87-96,SP not only made the fans wait,but the band members also,I think those guys were pretty patient and after the TBF BS..they said enough is enough..Either way,SP is a bitter guy..

[strangegrey]

if schon caught fire, I don't think I'd whip it out and piss on him to put out the fire....unless his mouth were open.

MY SIDE HURTS!! Don't give a KNOWN photoshop offender an image like THAT to work with.

No wait!!

Allow me!

[bluejeangirl76]

*SNORRRK*





Great. Now I done pissed myself.

[STORY_TELLER]

If SP can really still sing and he really wants to do the right thing. They could correct it by doing one last tour,Letting Perry have control ,mainly because he knows what he's capable of..Then they all retire the Journey name..Better yet,Do a new album with Perry,tour a little call it a career.. Call the album,Like Herbie Herbert said in his interview,Freedom ! Neal and the boys get a new singer like JSS, start something new and get that new group rolling..They could have another legacy if they choose..This is the only way I think anyone can see them redeeming themselves... But from what I read somewhere,Neal tried to talk to Perry and he wouldn't have any of it..

Dude, why in the world would you think the rest of the band WANTS to retire the name Journey? This is how they make a living. They have bills to pay just like you and me. These guys have probably used up their nest eggs over the years or have become accustomed to the lifestyle they had when they were selling big records and now they have to tour for income.

There won't be any other legacy or "saving the name Journey" either. Melodic rock is over guys. It's not the main stream. It's over. The only real support the band gets now is from the casual fan who know the greatest hits and might, just might, purchase a new CD at a show.

Seriously, everyone, either support them or don't, but these strange calls for them to "retire the Journey name" is silly.

[ArnelRox]

Seriously, everyone, either support them or don't, but these strange calls for them to "retire the Journey name" is silly.

I agree. It took me a while to come to terms w/this. If they didnt retire when Perry left, why should they retire now after 2 other singers? They obviously want to continue to play as Journey. People still want to see them (except for a few people here that is). There are singers willing to do the job. Perry isn't. So why shouldn't they just be allowed to go on living their lives doing what they do best?

[Journey69]

Ok,here's one for you..and yes,they are as big as Journey,but at the time they were one of the biggest groups out there..You might have heard of them..They are called Creed.. They broke up kind of in similar fashion to Journey..They went out with the same band members less the lead singer,got a new lead singer(myles Kennedy)who in my opinion is alot better,and started Alterbridge.. Both their albums are stellar and they are getting more popular all the time.. I'm as much of a Journey fan as you guys are..I loved the music with Augeri,The problem is,are they going to make any new music? If they are just going to tour,do everyone a favor,get a new lead singer,new name,diff sound and start a new legacy..That's all I was saying..

[brywool]

Why do they have to tour?
I'd rather they just became an album band.
Do we really need to see them doing LTS yet again???

[STORY_TELLER]

Ok,here's one for you..and yes,they are as big as Journey,but at the time they were one of the biggest groups out there..You might have heard of them..They are called Creed.. They broke up kind of in similar fashion to Journey..They went out with the same band members less the lead singer,got a new lead singer(myles Kennedy)who in my opinion is alot better,and started Alterbridge.. Both their albums are stellar and they are getting more popular all the time.. I'm as much of a Journey fan as you guys are..I loved the music with Augeri,The problem is,are they going to make any new music? If they are just going to tour,do everyone a favor,get a new lead singer,new name,diff sound and start a new legacy..That's all I was saying..

Creed's music wasn't melodic rock. It was alternative/metal and was very much in the mainstream at the time. That time has also come and gone and if Alterbridge gets the same popularity as Creed, I'll be very much surprised. I for one, liked Creed. I don't like Alterbridge. The musicianship is as good as Creed, but I don't dig the songs. Sorry... Additionally, I didn't like most of the Augeri era material and none of it is memorable for me. I don't play any of it anymore.

That being said, yes, I agree, Journey needs to make new music for guys like you and me to continue to support them. I've always said I'm tired of the greatest hits tour and I won't attend more of those kinds of concerts. But you know what? The majority of people who go to the shows aren't interested in new music from Journey. They're going to hear the songs they know for a solitary evening's worth of entertainment and the fond memories they had in their lives while listening to those hits. Neal and Jon know where their bread is buttered and it's not in creating new music anymore than Foreigner's is. It's in the memories of the GH's album.

This is their retirement package and they're cashing in on their 401k. Bitching and debating about it isn't going to change a thing.

[STORY_TELLER]

Why do they have to tour?

To make money.

I'd rather they just became an album band.
Do we really need to see them doing LTS yet again???

Not enough people will buy new Journey albums (without Perry on vocals) to support the cost of making them let alone turn a profit. Arrival was a financial failure as was Generations. If they do it at all, it's not because they think they're going to have a hit. They hope so of course, but they're not betting on it. It's so they don't let the monotony of touring wear them down. Any artist needs to exercise that creative muscle or they'll get depressed! lol...