Should true Journey fans love every version of Journey?

[Andrew]

No, and that's the big problem. Historically and even now, labels are the ONLY entity putting money up for tours and advances to get albums actually recorded (if the artist doesn't have his own studio or income source).

Hey Andrew, I'm going to respectfully disagree (with some) of what you said. I do understand what you're saying here. Labels *used* to be the bank account that Bands drew from when making (recording) a record and the intial seed money when touring....

Hey Frank,
I don't see you disagreeing here at all....rather addign to the points I was making and I should add myself that you are bang on right about Nashville.

Now, why do country music fans still buy records? I guess the demographic is more along the lines of what this kind of music has for fans - older and wiser people...sadly labels don't see any way of making mature rock music a market in it's own right.

[AR]

Country music? C/F/G7 chords and repeat. LOL

[m]

I think too many people are overly concerned about "range" and "hitting Perry's High notes"
in these back and forth discussions of Arnel this, Jeff that, Augeri this, Perry that...

Who really give's a rat's hairy ass if ANY of them can hit those high notes???
Hell, The FRONTIERS and ROR tours were absolutely FABULOUS and Perry
couldn't even hit those notes anymore and didn't have the range he used to.

It's about personality. It's about Stage presence. It's about Charisma.
It's about putting heart, soul and total emotion into every word.
It's about taking these over-played, tired songs and making them exciting and fresh.
It's about being able to get fans on their feet and screaming with excitement with
just a look, w/o singing a single note... It's the "It" factor. It's the "X" factor.

Augeri had it for awhile at first. Jeff has it. Perry... he broke the fucking mold!!!

Can this guy Arnel do all that??? I could care less if he "sounds" just like Perry
or if he can "hit those high notes!" I got DVDs and CDs of Perry doing all that!

I want fresh! I want to be TRULY entertained! I want to be blown away with
something that "sounds like Journey" but has taken that "Journey Sound" to another
plane of existence!

Can Arnel do that???

Someone?
Anyone???

great post

while i’m still interested in what schon does, and i was excited about the possibilities with jss,
the truth is – because of that mysterious 'x factor' - i'm only fanatical about the perry years.
everything else..., the solo projects, bad english, the augeri and jss years, the years before perry - even santana, and eric martin, to an extent…, are all offshoots that i'm not sure i'd even know about if not for the sp/jrny. there are great performances in those offshoots, but none of it is in the same league for me emotionally. same for my other favorite bands/ performers - some of who are probably technically better. but you either have an emotional connection, or you don’t.

i love gregg rolie - but i guess in my heart of hearts, there are only variations [drummers, etc] of
one [true] version of journey: sp and ns. i’m a total addict, lol.

and then there’s everything else.

so, am i out of the club

[Panther]

No, and that's the big problem. Historically and even now, labels are the ONLY entity putting money up for tours and advances to get albums actually recorded (if the artist doesn't have his own studio or income source).

Hey Andrew, I'm going to respectfully disagree (with some) of what you said. I do understand what you're saying here. Labels *used* to be the bank account that Bands drew from when making (recording) a record and the intial seed money when touring....

Hey Frank,
I don't see you disagreeing here at all....rather addign to the points I was making and I should add myself that you are bang on right about Nashville.

Now, why do country music fans still buy records? I guess the demographic is more along the lines of what this kind of music has for fans - older and wiser people...sadly labels don't see any way of making mature rock music a market in it's own right.

I think the buying that's done in the country genre as related to what isn't happening in the rock genre is directly related to "we the people." Those people I know (my age) who grew up listening to country and holding an affinity for country - never aged out of that. They still look forward to and follow acts, new music and newer acts within that area. Those people I know who had the affinity for rock (70's through the 80's) seem to have "outgrown" (for lack of a better description) the rock scene. They no longer (those who are no longer die-hard followers such as we have here) hold the interest. They are the group, upon hearing of an old time band coming to their area, who says "hey, I remember those days."
It's almost as if the curse of our parents... "You will outgrow this phase some day, just wait and see"... has come to life. I don't know whether it's because country seems a bit more family oriented or if the rock fans of old think that to be a rocker means that you still must "bang yer head" and all that jazz, or if grunge and the like really did kill the spirit of rock. I do know that I get plenty of strange looks when jamming to the oldies or speaking of what's going on with these bands today. Apparently I didn't get the memo that I was supposed to outgrow the rock of our youth and it's newer baby bands. I'm glad I didn't.

[ThunderBOB2007]

tho I like all the incarnations of journey, I feel now that have become nothing better than a tribute band.

[Perrydise]

After doing alot of reading, I believe someone is on the "payroll".

[Saint John]

After doing alot of reading, I believe someone is on the "payroll".

Why not be more specific?

[amaron]

After doing alot of reading, I believe someone is on the "payroll".

"Someone" has never left the payroll.

[Aaron]

You guys are spot on. I was irritated with another issue and that, coupled with a couple of beers, resulted in a couple of posts that were completely out of line. My apologies to the board and specifically to ArnelRox. My points were presented in an inappropriate manner, especially when addressing a female.

All I'm saying is we all know and have heard Arnel'sBitch's position again and again. We got on the first pass, let alone the 58,292 time.

Dude, don't know you and don't care how long you been around...

Totally uncalled for and pathetic.
You don't agree, steer clear of her posts.

Suzer's a pretty special lady that doesn't need that kind of shit
just because YOU don't like her opinions.

Grow up...

Thank u Carl but ur way more special than I could ever be

[strangegrey]

No, and that's the big problem. Historically and even now, labels are the ONLY entity putting money up for tours and advances to get albums actually recorded (if the artist doesn't have his own studio or income source).

Hey Andrew, I'm going to respectfully disagree (with some) of what you said. I do understand what you're saying here. Labels *used* to be the bank account that Bands drew from when making (recording) a record and the intial seed money when touring....

Hey Frank,
I don't see you disagreeing here at all....rather addign to the points I was making and I should add myself that you are bang on right about Nashville.

Now, why do country music fans still buy records? I guess the demographic is more along the lines of what this kind of music has for fans - older and wiser people...sadly labels don't see any way of making mature rock music a market in it's own right.

I think the buying that's done in the country genre as related to what isn't happening in the rock genre is directly related to "we the people." Those people I know (my age) who grew up listening to country and holding an affinity for country - never aged out of that. They still look forward to and follow acts, new music and newer acts within that area. Those people I know who had the affinity for rock (70's through the 80's) seem to have "outgrown" (for lack of a better description) the rock scene. They no longer (those who are no longer die-hard followers such as we have here) hold the interest. They are the group, upon hearing of an old time band coming to their area, who says "hey, I remember those days."
It's almost as if the curse of our parents... "You will outgrow this phase some day, just wait and see"... has come to life. I don't know whether it's because country seems a bit more family oriented or if the rock fans of old think that to be a rocker means that you still must "bang yer head" and all that jazz, or if grunge and the like really did kill the spirit of rock. I do know that I get plenty of strange looks when jamming to the oldies or speaking of what's going on with these bands today. Apparently I didn't get the memo that I was supposed to outgrow the rock of our youth and it's newer baby bands. I'm glad I didn't.

Panther, good post...and this is most certainly part of it. When I went to see Brad Paisley in the fall of 05, there were old folk there. I'm not talking guys in their 50s. I'm talking couples, older than dirt, spittin chewin tobacco....rolling their own cigarettes...and they showed up to see brad paisley tear it up...and they were dancing in the aisles right along side the 20-year old girls that wanted to have Brad's children. The support train for country music doesn't dry up like it does in rock. I'm going to attribute this to the subject matter of the music (something you alluded to)....Country music (forgive the cliche) is about Family, Love and God...it's also about drinking and heartache and all those things in between. All of the above subjects are things that will resonate with people until they die.

Take Rock music....rebellion, anger, love, desperation, resentment, escape, etc. Some of these things stay with us....but themes like breaking away from our parents, fighting with establishment, anger, frustration, disconnect with our parents....these themes dont stay with us. Shit, it's hard for me to listen to music that's themed around hating your parents and dreaming about breaking away from them. Why? I'm a parent myself now...these kind of themes dont resonate with me at all, anymore....and the only way for me to embrace them, is for me to envision myself 15-20 years younger...and put myself back in a moment in 1985. There's only so much living in the past I want to do before I go..."It's time to move on, dude, you're 35!"


Some other things come to mind. In Country music...it's still about a good song. There aren't many other musical formats where a good song is still key...and the person that writes the song is just as important as the tits-&-ass that sings it. This makes country music a little more endearing to people.....and I believe that's the reason why people still BUY RECORDS in country music. The song is 'worth' owning......

The last 20 albums I've paid for, only two of them are rock albums....it's sad but true.

[ohsherrie]

Take Rock music....rebellion, anger, love, desperation, resentment, escape, etc.

I think one reason that Journey has remained so special to some of us is because they wrote about the relationships between people rather than the rebellion, anger, political/social causes and such that so many rock songs are about.

Some other things come to mind. In Country music...it's still about a good song. There aren't many other musical formats where a good song is still key...and the person that writes the song is just as important as the tits-&-ass that sings it. This makes country music a little more endearing to people.....and I believe that's the reason why people still BUY RECORDS in country music. The song is 'worth' owning.....

Country doesn't change as drastically to follow the trends as pop or rock music does. It swings periodically from closer to it's roots to closer to pop, but the range of that swing is very narrow compared to the extremes that pop and rock go to.

I'm enjoying country music right now more than pop or rock because I hear more of what I've always loved about music there than I do in pop or rock.


Damn it's getting scary that we agree on so much since we stopped yelling at each other.

[strangegrey]

Take Rock music....rebellion, anger, love, desperation, resentment, escape, etc.

I think one reason that Journey has remained so special to some of us is because they wrote about the relationships between people rather than the rebellion, anger, political/social causes and such that so many rock songs are about.

Yep...I've seen this as well...Journey didn't have as much angst in the music...the lyrics were about the fans...similar to Bon Jovi. It's just too bad those remaining in the band dont care about the fans!

I'm enjoying country music right now more than pop or rock because I hear more of what I've always loved about music there than I do in pop or rock.

Damn it's getting scary that we agree on so much since we stopped yelling at each other.

It's that subject matter you're talking about above...Journey wrote about uplifting things....things that didn't make you feel like your father was the unibomber. There's a similarity in country music...where the subject matter is more about the people. It's not all about the dead dog and drinking...

[journeywoman]

Take Rock music....rebellion, anger, love, desperation, resentment, escape, etc.

I think one reason that Journey has remained so special to some of us is because they wrote about the relationships between people rather than the rebellion, anger, political/social causes and such that so many rock songs are about.

Yep...I've seen this as well...Journey didn't have as much angst in the music...the lyrics were about the fans...similar to Bon Jovi. It's just too bad those remaining in the band dont care about the fans!

I'm enjoying country music right now more than pop or rock because I hear more of what I've always loved about music there than I do in pop or rock.

Damn it's getting scary that we agree on so much since we stopped yelling at each other.

It's that subject matter you're talking about above...Journey wrote about uplifting things....things that didn't make you feel like your father was the unibomber. There's a similarity in country music...where the subject matter is more about the people. It's not all about the dead dog and drinking...

DID YOU SAY DEAD DOGS and DRINKING????hehe

[strangegrey]

DID YOU SAY DEAD DOGS and DRINKING????hehe

Um...yeah....

what happens when you play a country song backwards?

* You're sober
* The girl comes back
* You're dog's still alive

[ArnelRox]

You guys are spot on. I was irritated with another issue and that, coupled with a couple of beers, resulted in a couple of posts that were completely out of line. My apologies to the board and specifically to ArnelRox. My points were presented in an inappropriate manner, especially when addressing a female.

Oh God Aaron, I just noticed this post from u, sorry I didnt see it sooner. Thank u very much for this. No offense taken at all. Ur a big man to apologize. I hope ur irritation has passed. Cheers man

[Rick]

I hope ur irritation has passed.

Here's info that might help.

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Boo ... 48/127.cfm

[ArnelRox]

I hope ur irritation has passed.

Here's info that might help.

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Boo ... 48/127.cfm

Rick! In the words of Billy Joel: leave a tender moment alone!