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[treetopovskaya]

i agree with ya properry.

Well I know Hots made you angry, but Andrew, please don't get too mad at me for saying this , but don't you think that is an exaggeration on your part to say that "she was always full of venom , spite and attitiude???"

In a word, NO.

But I do appreciate your contributions over the years.

Well I have to disagree with you Andrew. When you speak about "venom, spite, and attitude" there has been MANY others here that are guilty of that behavior, and without naming names, they are all still here on the board.

[Andrew]

And Andrew is NOT "taking punches" on a "regular basis" from ALL who post here on this board.

That's because I'm not an asshole and try to do the right thing by everyone. Thanks for keeping me honest though.

[PROPERRY]

I agree with you that Andrew has a tough job running this board, every moderator does, but Andrew is rarely challenged on his view points, MOST here agree with all he says. And Andrew is NOT "taking punches" on a "regular basis" from ALL who post here on this board.

Well we can agree to disagree then. While I understand you and she are friends on here, you have to admit what she said was out of line, and that's not the first time she's done that.

yea, Hots is a friend. And we can agree to disagree Rick, but there has been LOTS of people here who "spouted off" and said things that were "out of line" repeatedly over and over again on this board.

[Aaron]

Yep, and if you want to bitch about how Mac runs the board, then just leave. It is his board and I don't remember anyone being chained here.

[treetopovskaya]

not too long ago someone here told andrew to f-off. no one seemed to have a prob with that. so why have a prob with what hots said?

[Rick]

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

[Andrew]

Any other moderator complaints while we are at it? We may as well get into the nitty gritty of it while no one has anything better to do

[StevePerryHair]

Andrew certainly does NOT deserve to be treated that way or for his livelihood to be insulted that way. He has so much patience with so many people, and for her to insult him that way is uncalled for and about as low as you can get. How can anyone defend that. It's not just name calling here. It was a low blow insulting him way more than the other insults that get flung around here. We should be happy he even wants to have a board here with all the grief he has to put up with.

[AR]

Any other moderator complaints while we are at it? We may as well get into the nitty gritty of it while no one has anything better to do

Yeah take my chains off and let me "do what I do".

Just kidding bro.

You've had my back on more than one occassion and I know it.

[nolippin]

Well...since you've asked... ...I'm going to agree with tree and PP. I've seen a lot worse criticism than what I saw from HOTS, and those people are still here. It was a pretty lame comment to be banned over. (Remember, you did ask)

Any other moderator complaints while we are at it? We may as well get into the nitty gritty of it while no one has anything better to do

[Rhiannon]

Any other moderator complaints while we are at it? We may as well get into the nitty gritty of it while no one has anything better to do

Some fucking throw pillows would be nice. And maybe a continental breakfast... WITH a waffle iron.

[Rick]

I have to hit the hay. Good night all.

[AR]

Well...since you've asked... ...I'm going to agree with tree and PP. I've seen a lot worse criticism than what I saw from HOTS, and those people are still here. It was a pretty lame comment to be banned over. (Remember, you did ask)

Any other moderator complaints while we are at it? We may as well get into the nitty gritty of it while no one has anything better to do

His board his rules. It's something I lose track of constantly myself.

On the board I started, I ban people for fun. Sometimes for no reason. There is no right or wrong. You run it as you see fit. Allow people or ban people, and the rest will either still enjoy it or leave.

[treetopovskaya]

i would be more consistent & not play favorites. i would expect more respect from my friends.

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

[Andrew]

Well...since you've asked... ...I'm going to agree with tree and PP. I've seen a lot worse criticism than what I saw from HOTS, and those people are still here. It was a pretty lame comment to be banned over. (Remember, you did ask)

I knew I could count on you. Sorry, but everyone has a point where patience runs out and the record of HOTS posting bitchy and sarcastic comments to ME personally is longer than just about any other person here.

As for the board in general, I have a new tougher attitude towards moderating and I think things are going beautifully.
Thanks for the post, take care now.

[treetopovskaya]

mini danishes??? yay! }:C))

Any other moderator complaints while we are at it? We may as well get into the nitty gritty of it while no one has anything better to do

Some fucking throw pillows would be nice. And maybe a continental breakfast... WITH a waffle iron.

[PROPERRY]

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

I just don't agree with Andrew that ALL Hots post and discussions are "venom , spiteful and attitude" as he put it, I've read MANY great posts and discussions from her on this board.

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like, but I think it makes us stronger individuals to listen to another view point and talk things out, rather than just banning the person from the board because you don't like what they are saying to you.

[nolippin]

In general, I'll agree that the tougher attitude towards moderating is working better.

Well...since you've asked... ...I'm going to agree with tree and PP. I've seen a lot worse criticism than what I saw from HOTS, and those people are still here. It was a pretty lame comment to be banned over. (Remember, you did ask)

I knew I could count on you. Sorry, but everyone has a point where patience runs out and the record of HOTS posting bitchy and sarcastic comments to ME personally is longer than just about any other person here.

As for the board in general, I have a new tougher attitude towards moderating and I think things are going beautifully.
Thanks for the post, take care now.

[StevePerryHair]

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

I just don't agree with Andrew that ALL Hots post and discussions are "venom , spiteful and attitude" as he put it, I've read MANY great posts and discussions from her on this board.

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like, but I think it makes us stronger individuals to listen to another view point and talk things out, rather than just banning the person from the board because you don't like what they are saying to you.

Using any of the names that get flung around here by others would have been nicer than what she said to him.

[AR]

Anyone want to see a naked cub scout in Azoff's lap? I'm pretty good with photoshop.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[nolippin]

Ummm...yep, I'm going to have to agree with that, too.

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

I just don't agree with Andrew that ALL Hots post and discussions are "venom , spiteful and attitude" as he put it, I've read MANY great posts and discussions from her on this board.

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like, but I think it makes us stronger individuals to listen to another view point and talk things out, rather than just banning the person from the board because you don't like what they are saying to you.

[AR]

Ummm...yep, I'm going to have to agree with that, too.

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

I just don't agree with Andrew that ALL Hots post and discussions are "venom , spiteful and attitude" as he put it, I've read MANY great posts and discussions from her on this board.

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like, but I think it makes us stronger individuals to listen to another view point and talk things out, rather than just banning the person from the board because you don't like what they are saying to you.

Then start your OWN board and run it as YOU see fit.

Next to Dean, I've probably given Andrew about as many potential gray hairs as anyone. I have never once said he didn't have every right to stop what I was doing. Sure, I sometimes want to get away with more shit - but IT"S HIS BOARD. That's not rocket science here folks. He can and will operate it as he sees fit.

[nolippin]

No.

Ummm...yep, I'm going to have to agree with that, too.

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

I just don't agree with Andrew that ALL Hots post and discussions are "venom , spiteful and attitude" as he put it, I've read MANY great posts and discussions from her on this board.

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like, but I think it makes us stronger individuals to listen to another view point and talk things out, rather than just banning the person from the board because you don't like what they are saying to you.

Then start your OWN board and run it as YOU see fit.

[AR]

No.

Ummm...yep, I'm going to have to agree with that, too.

Because HOTS has been at it for a lot longer and at it a lot steadier than just a fuckoff here and there. Would you put up with it on a site you ran to support your family Tree or PP? Having someone tell you that you've lost all credibility and professionalism? That was an incredibly low blow and it's certainly bullshit.

I just don't agree with Andrew that ALL Hots post and discussions are "venom , spiteful and attitude" as he put it, I've read MANY great posts and discussions from her on this board.

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like, but I think it makes us stronger individuals to listen to another view point and talk things out, rather than just banning the person from the board because you don't like what they are saying to you.

Then start your OWN board and run it as YOU see fit.

Then quit complaining.

[Andrew]

I guess what I'm trying to say here here is that we all may not like what others say to us, and yes Andrew has the power to get rid of anyone he does not like.

If I wasn't a fair and understanding person who tries to do the right thing at all times, several more names could disappear from here, believe me. But no...I let you have your say - even if it is at my expense.
Now, in relation to HOTS, I have heard enough and I have stated my case. Any other issues?

[Rhiannon]

Then start your OWN board and run it as YOU see fit.

Next to Dean, I've probably given Andrew about as many potential gray hairs as anyone. I have never once said he didn't have every right to stop what I was doing. Sure, I sometimes want to get away with more shit - but IT"S HIS BOARD. That's not rocket science here folks. He can and will operate it as he sees fit.

Exactly, its like being a guest in someone's house and bitching to them because the bed isn't big enough or the hardwood floors are cold.

[treetopovskaya]

so we can't expect to see another one of your temper tantrums when you're put on vacation ed? hahahaa! }:CPP

damn.

Then start your OWN board and run it as YOU see fit.

Next to Dean, I've probably given Andrew about as many potential gray hairs as anyone. I have never once said he didn't have every right to stop what I was doing. Sure, I sometimes want to get away with more shit - but IT"S HIS BOARD. That's not rocket science here folks. He can and will operate it as he sees fit.

Exactly, its like being a guest in someone's house and bitching to them because the bed isn't big enough or the hardwood floors are cold.

[treetopovskaya]

if it was one of the "in crowd" saying what hots said i doubt anyone would have a prob. it's not what was said but who said it.

[StevePerryHair]

if it was one of the "in crowd" saying what hots said i doubt anyone would have a prob. it's not what was said but who said it.

I don't think anyone in the "in crowd" would say something so low honestly. I think they have a little more respect than that. Why can't you people see this was more than name calling?

[AR]

so we can't expect to see another one of your temper tantrums when you're put on vacation ed? hahahaa! }:CPP

damn.

Hey, it's always possible.

However, despite my indiscretions, I still contribute more positive things here more than any of the complainers.

I've said many times if I get banned it's probably in Drew's best interest. I know too much, I'm more intelligent than most, and I am crazy. Besides I have other avenues to amuse myself online thanks to TBJF and my own place. I like MR though and expect to be around as long as I am still welcome. Temporary vacations? I expect those.

Whatever happens to me, it is the Wombat's board and he has every right to do with it how he sees fit. The whiners and complainers are annoying. If you don't like it here GTFU.