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Postby Granny » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:04 am

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scarygirl wrote:Nothing wrong with being a republican. Although to be honest I'm disappointed in both parties at this point. Both seem hell bent on selling America down the river. Won't be long now til we're traipsing round like cattle with nary a penny to our names all in the name of social equality and supposed security. :roll:


The biggest disappointment in my political memory aside from Bill Clinton actually becoming President of the United States was the complete and utter failure of the Bush administration and a Republican majority in both the House and Senate who failed to accomplish dang near anything given the chance. Any party that can hold the presidency and both the Senate and House and can't push their agenda has no respect from me. I'm hardcore conservative, but hate both parties and can't take anything they say seriously. But I keep hearing about this guy Ron Paul... :) Still, politicians have ruined America for future generations. I love our country but can't stand our leadership. Our system is broken, and doesn't allow decent people anywhere close to the Oval Office.


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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:18 am

Rockindeano wrote:Oh I would love to have you on a stage in a debate. This is easy.

- I won't use the war because that's an entirely debatable issue but, yes, the tax cut is one thing. The revenues coming in despite the tax cuts are the highest in history.


You won't use the war because it is the biggest foreign policy failure in YS history with the damage being so bad, we may never recover from it.

Uh, no. I'd say the biggest failure was Carter being made a fool of when our embassy was invaded in the 70's. They stopped laughing at us on Reagan's inauguration day.
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- Another is that we have not had another successful terrorist attack since 9/11 and many have been thwarted.


What, a few guys detained trying to get into Fort Dix? Ok, I'llplay along. So there haven't been any more terrorist attacks, but there was one big one.

Several terror attacks have been thwarted. Yeah criticize Bush for not toppling the Gorelick wall that was erected (pun intended) to keep the CIA and FBI from connecting dots.
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- Provided additional funding (not including wartime) to a depleted military coming from the Clinton years.


That's not a good thing being done. While in office, Clinton was able to cut wasteful spending in the military budget and there were NO terrorist attacks on US soil. Also, Bush gave more money to the miltary?...but he can't provide our troops with proper armor though right?

Sheesh dude, you seriously let your hatred block oxygen to your brain! Just because Clinton chose to fight the '93 terrorist attack on the WTC in a courtroom does not mean it isn't a terrorist attack!!!!
Again, Bush isn't able to crap out properly armoured tanks and vests after the military had been slashed in the previous administation. :roll:
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- Severely damaged/hindered Al Qaeda.


You're reaching now. Of course they will be damaged, but he also stirred them up like a hornets nest, and has caused a movement to join Al Qaeda. If anything, Bush has made Al Qaeda stronger.

Dude you're the one that's reaching. If Iraq had caused such a swell in AlQaeda's numbers they would be glad we went in and glad we're still there. They most certainly are not. They are getting their ass kicked there. I hate to break this to you but we're winning over there. We're doing so well that the media is not covering it anymore. Sorry! You as well as your idiot Senator Reid, and that idiot stretch Pelosi were and are wrong! :D
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- Despite the bungling of the war effort...Saddam Hussein at the end of a hangman's noose..



Again, not a good thing. We keep Saddam in power, and Iraq doesn't end up a mess for us.

Yeah and we're still in the dark about what he is or isn't up to over there. Iraqis being slaughtered by him was a good thing. :roll:
If this were an onstage debate. This would be the point where you would either try to start a fistfight or slink offstage in embarrassment because you are beaten!!!! :D
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:26 am

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- I won't use the war because that's an entirely debatable issue but, yes, the tax cut is one thing. The revenues coming in despite the tax cuts are the highest in history.


What programs are those revenues being used for that help the people of this country? Oh yeah, the war. :roll:

- Another is that we have not had another successful terrorist attack since 9/11 and many have been thwarted.


And that has what to do with Bush? Just because he's in office? He was in office on 9/11 too.

- Bush has appointed more women and minorities to positions of power than any other President.


Yeah, his own personal flunkies.

- Provided additional funding (not including wartime) to a depleted military coming from the Clinton years.


Yep, he's vetoed the health care and education bills but passed a multi-billion dollar non-war related package for the Pentagon. That was great for us? Image

- Severely damaged/hindered Al Qaeda.


Sure he did, just like he got the Taliban out of Afghanistan. :roll:

- Signed the Amber Alert and Adam Walsh bills into law.


Oh and we all know that wouldn't have happened if a Democrat had been in office. That's grasping at straws there Dave.

- Kept Gore and Kerry out of office... :lol:


For which he should be procecuted.

- Low unemployment (hey, if you give Clinton credit, Bush gets it also)


Oh yeah, the unemployment rates are low. You do know that the unemployment rate is based on the number of people who are drawing unemployment benefits don't you? It's not based on the number of people who use their state employment commissions to look or apply for jobs. People who fall of their rolls because their unemployment benefit fund has been depleted drop off the rolls whether they find a job or not.

And yes they were detemined the same way when Clinton was in office. The unemployment figures used as bragging rights by any administration mean no more that economy indicators they use. It's nothing but numbers that no longer relate to the reality that the people of this country are dealing with in their daily lives.

What's happened that's different in the Bush regime is all the people who lost a middle income job with health care benefits and now have a minimum wage job with no benefits. They've also lost their homes along with all those people who bought all those houses during the last 6 yrs and made the economic number look good for Bush.

- Despite the bungling of the war effort...Saddam Hussein at the end of a hangman's noose.


And that has helped this country in what way?
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:31 am

Sorry to break this to you RF..

We are NOT winning in Iraq. Not even close.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:37 am

Rockindeano wrote:Sorry to break this to you RF..

We are NOT winning in Iraq. Not even close.


True that!
Well maybe by winning he means the total of Iraqi's we killed vs the total of American's they killed? I think thats the only thing we're ahead on!
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:40 am

Rockindeano wrote:Sorry to break this to you RF..

We are NOT winning in Iraq. Not even close.

As much as you and your fellow democrat leadership would like to believe that. It's not the truth. The democrats have invested in this country losing. They can claim no credit in the good things that are happening there. That's why there's no reporting of Iraq now. The media can't spin it for a positive for democrats. FACT!
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:43 am

Behshad wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Sorry to break this to you RF..

We are NOT winning in Iraq. Not even close.


True that!
Well maybe by winning he means the total of Iraqi's we killed vs the total of American's they killed? I think thats the only thing we're ahead on!

Um. You may want to note this. Saddam/Iraq/Mighty Royal National Guard have been beaten for years! America along with Iraq are now fighting terrorists there. Glad I could help. :D
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Postby Marc S » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:45 am

RaiderFan wrote:I hate to break this to you but we're winning over there.


No. No you are not. Get your cataracts removed.

You are a great ambassador for the damage Bush has done to US-International relations.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:48 am

RaiderFan wrote:Um. You may want to note this. Saddam/Iraq/Mighty Royal National Guard have been beaten for years! America along with Iraq are now fighting terrorists there. Glad I could help. :D


Do you see this war as some kind of game? What does it matter to this country that Saddam and his regime are gone? They WERE NOT harboring terrorists and DID NOT have WMDs. Are we the world police now? Is it up to us to go to war with every country with a dictator, or only those that have oil?
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:51 am

You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one. Again, I ask what you think of people who don't think Clinton has done anything good? You would think they are nuts and you would be right. No rational, sane person thinks like you guys do on these issues.

Of course, those of us who support Bush on SOME issues get labeled as supporting him on EVERYTHING when we happen to agree with him on a particular issue, even though we may have just voiced our disagreements with some of his policies. This has happened multiple times but you guys don't see it because you are blind in your hatred for Bush. You fall hook, line, and sinker for every story that comes out, regardless of source, that portrays Bush as evil, a criminal, or whatever.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:54 am

ohsherrie wrote:They WERE NOT harboring terrorists...


Ummm...Wrong. They provided aid, comfort, and medical assistance to a terrorist (can't remember the name right now...) prior to the war starting. Saddam also provided monetary awards to the families of the Palestinian homicide bombers. If that's not assisting terrorists, I don't know what is.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:58 am

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ohsherrie wrote:They WERE NOT harboring terrorists...


Ummm...Wrong. They provided aid, comfort, and medical assistance to a terrorist (can't remember the name right now...) prior to the war starting. Saddam also provided monetary awards to the families of the Palestinian homicide bombers. If that's not assisting terrorists, I don't know what is.


Oh, OK, damn, I guess Iraq really was the hotbed of terrorism rather than Afghanistan then? :roll: You Bush apologists are almost pathetic in your attempts to justify his administration.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:58 am

conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one. Again, I ask what you think of people who don't think Clinton has done anything good? You would think they are nuts and you would be right. No rational, sane person thinks like you guys do on these issues.

Of course, those of us who support Bush on SOME issues get labeled as supporting him on EVERYTHING when we happen to agree with him on a particular issue, even though we may have just voiced our disagreements with some of his policies. This has happened multiple times but you guys don't see it because you are blind in your hatred for Bush. You fall hook, line, and sinker for every story that comes out, regardless of source, that portrays Bush as evil, a criminal, or whatever.

I know it. Notice we never get a chance to agree with the wacko libs about stuff that Bush does do wrong like neglecting the open border. His support for the amnesty bill. Luckily there were enough republicans and some democrats in congress who listened to their constituents and killed it.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:59 am

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ohsherrie wrote:They WERE NOT harboring terrorists...


Ummm...Wrong. They provided aid, comfort, and medical assistance to a terrorist (can't remember the name right now...) prior to the war starting. Saddam also provided monetary awards to the families of the Palestinian homicide bombers. If that's not assisting terrorists, I don't know what is.


Oh, OK, damn, I guess Iraq really was the hotbed of terrorism rather than Afghanistan then? :roll: You Bush apologists are almost pathetic in your attempts to justify his administration.

Yeah, those damn facts! :roll: Ridiculous.
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Postby ArnelRox » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:05 am

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conversationpc wrote: - Kept Gore and Kerry out of office... :lol:


Not funny Dave :cry:


This country is in a dire enough predicament as it is and it would be even worse with either of those two dolts running the big show.


The country is only in this dire predicament b/c of the DOLT currently running the show. Mickey Mouse could do a better job.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:09 am

conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one.


There was nothing on your list that was a good thing for the people of this country that could be attributed to Bush policy.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:09 am

ohsherrie wrote:Oh, OK, damn, I guess Iraq really was the hotbed of terrorism rather than Afghanistan then? :roll: You Bush apologists are almost pathetic in your attempts to justify his administration.


I'm not attempting to justify their total plan for the war or whether we should have gone to war in the first place. You made an incorrect statement and you're pissed because you were wrong. Get over it.

Like I pointed out before, we can say where we disagree with Bush on certain topics but once you defend him on ANYTHING, all of a sudden you're labeled a "Bush apologist". :roll:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:10 am

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conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one.


There was nothing on your list that was a good thing for the people of this country that could be attributed to Bush policy.


BDS

OK...3rd time...If I were to say that nothing Clinton did was a good thing for the country, what would you think of that?
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Postby ArnelRox » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:10 am

ohsherrie wrote:
conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one.


There was nothing on your list that was a good thing for the people of this country that could be attributed to Bush policy.


She's 100% right Dave & she just threw all ur points out the window. Admit defeat. The lady kicked ur ass.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:11 am

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ohsherrie wrote:
conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one.


There was nothing on your list that was a good thing for the people of this country that could be attributed to Bush policy.


She's 100% right Dave & she just threw all ur points out the window. Admit defeat. The lady kicked ur ass.


BDS...Seek help.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:17 am

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ohsherrie wrote:Oh, OK, damn, I guess Iraq really was the hotbed of terrorism rather than Afghanistan then? :roll: You Bush apologists are almost pathetic in your attempts to justify his administration.


I'm not attempting to justify their total plan for the war or whether we should have. You made an incorrect statement and you're pissed because you were wrong. Get over it.


Ok, I guess I should have said he wasn't harboring terrorists except for that one and of course he should never have helped those families. I mean, it's not as if our government ever aided Bin Laden or anything.

Like I pointed out before, we can say where we disagree with Bush on certain topics but once you defend him on ANYTHING, all of a sudden you're labeled a "Bush apologist". :roll:


If you try to justify the war then you ARE a Bush apologist because that's ALL the moron has done since he's been in office. Get over it.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:19 am

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ohsherrie wrote:
conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one.


There was nothing on your list that was a good thing for the people of this country that could be attributed to Bush policy.


BDS

OK...3rd time...If I were to say that nothing Clinton did was a good thing for the country, what would you think of that?


That you wool was died way before you were ever thought of.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:21 am

Bush and Kerry are still close to eachother
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and they speak on the phone almost every day

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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:22 am

ohsherrie wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
conversationpc wrote:You BDSers are unbelievable. You can't bring yourself to admit Bush has even done ONE good thing, not even one.


There was nothing on your list that was a good thing for the people of this country that could be attributed to Bush policy.


BDS

OK...3rd time...If I were to say that nothing Clinton did was a good thing for the country, what would you think of that?


That you wool was died way before you were ever thought of.


Still can't answer the question, huh? :roll:
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Postby ArnelRox » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:23 am

Behshad wrote:Bush and Kerry are still close to eachother
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OMG is Bush shorter than Neal Schon? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:23 am

Behshad wrote:Bush and Kerry are still close to eachother
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and they speak on the phone almost every day

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:lol:

I like this one, too...

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Postby Marc S » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:24 am

ohsherrie wrote:Ok, I guess I should have said he wasn't harboring terrorists except for that one and of course he should never have helped those families. I mean, it's not as if our government ever aided Bin Laden or anything.


Nah, he just let the whole Bin Laden Clan out of the US after 9/11...
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:26 am

Marc S wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:Ok, I guess I should have said he wasn't harboring terrorists except for that one and of course he should never have helped those families. I mean, it's not as if our government ever aided Bin Laden or anything.


Nah, he just let the whole Bin Laden Clan out of the US after 9/11...


Red herring alert!

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?200 ... chive.html

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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:27 am

RaiderFan wrote:I know it. Notice we never get a chance to agree with the wacko libs about stuff that Bush does do wrong like neglecting the open border. His support for the amnesty bill. Luckily there were enough republicans and some democrats in congress who listened to their constituents and killed it.


I'll gladly give you credit for that as soon as you acknowledge that the special interest groups he's trying to protect by letting the illegals keep pouring in are the same ones he helped out with corporate welfare and tax cuts to move thousands of the good paying US jobs within their conglomerates overseas.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:29 am

conversationpc wrote:
Marc S wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:Ok, I guess I should have said he wasn't harboring terrorists except for that one and of course he should never have helped those families. I mean, it's not as if our government ever aided Bin Laden or anything.


Nah, he just let the whole Bin Laden Clan out of the US after 9/11...


Red herring alert!

http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?200 ... chive.html


Bullshit Dave. It happened. I was here glued to my TV for days and I remember well when it was reported that he got them out of the country just as he was grounding all the airlines.
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