Kudos for Steve Augeri!

[E5C4P3ING]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never played in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

[Rockindeano]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never placed in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

Moron, leave now, or take your assbeating.

Those songs are "ok" but you compare them to anything in the Perry era and they are shit, pure runny, liquid shit.

Then you go and include Butterfly, She Sucks Alone , no, you aren't some overweight Augeri Sow..no no way...I got you pegged.

Fucking Tard.

[E5C4P3ING]

Once again Deano has over reacted and missed the boat COMPLETELY!

[Granny]

Once again Deano has over reacted and missed the boat COMPLETELY!

No he hasn't. Some of those songs sucked big time...especially Butterfly and she flies alone... two of the worst sounding songs I have ever heard from any band.

[Rockindeano]

Once again Deano has over reacted and missed the boat COMPLETELY!

No he hasn't. Some of those songs sucked big time...especially Butterfly and she flies alone... two of the worst sounding songs I have ever heard from any band.

Carol, part of the MR Jungle mantra is having to smack your own from time to time. Butterfly(She Flies Alone) is the same song. Sorry, couldn't resist:)

[STORY_TELLER]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never placed in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

First of all, you're delusional if you think any melodic rock group can start fresh and build a fan base big enough to financially support the effort. Melodic rock is now classic rock. It's not the main stream. It's over save for the few holdouts who listen to the old hits.

As to Journey post Perry: At best, the Augeri era music was on the Bad English quality level. Not bad, but not great and certainly not worthy of the name Journey. Neal and Jon opted to fly on as Journey because they knew that's where their retirement fund would come from. They could have reformed with the Augeri fronted lineup as Bad English, especially given that more than half that lineup is in fact Bad English, but there would have been next to no money to be made.

Neal and Jon aren't interested in legacy. They're making a living. Perry obviously doesn't have to make a living and he's happily retired. Augeri was simply not a good replacement for Perry. Arnel isn't either, but he's MILES above Augeri in the vocal department. How he is as a frontman remains to be seen.

[Rockindeano]

Once again Deano has over reacted and missed the boat COMPLETELY!

Um, I never miss the boat.

[Rhiannon]

Once again Deano has over reacted and missed the boat COMPLETELY!

Um, I never miss the boat.

True story. He takes the train.

[belar]

By the way, We Will Meet Again was played in concert during the 2003 tour.

[Rockindeano]

I feel a HUGE dustup brewing here in this thread. I can sniff out these Augeriheads miles away. This OP is definitely one of them. I will never forget those assholes and what they called me during the apex of TG. Hey fools, I was right, proved right and still am right, so suck my ass.

[Granny]

Once again Deano has over reacted and missed the boat COMPLETELY!

No he hasn't. Some of those songs sucked big time...especially Butterfly and she flies alone... two of the worst sounding songs I have ever heard from any band.

Carol, part of the MR Jungle mantra is having to smack your own from time to time. Butterfly(She Flies Alone) is the same song. Sorry, couldn't resist:)

Thanks Buddy! My Bad

[E5C4P3ING]

No he hasn't. Some of those songs sucked big time...especially Butterfly and she flies alone... two of the worst sounding songs I have ever heard from any band.

Careful there Granny, I challenged you to be objective, but i'm afraid your JSS undies are showing! To be objective would first mean that you would take the time to find out that Butterly (She Flies Alone) is one song, not two.

But I'm sure you knew that already, didn't you?

My points are:
1. A Steve Perry fronted Journey was and would be the ULTIMATE.

2. If the music produced by the Augeri fronted Journey over the past 8 years were done so under any OTHER name, it may have been better received by the masses.

3. I appreciate the efforts and talents of Mr. Augeri, in addition to Steve Perry and even JSS.

[ScarabGator]

I agree most of those songs wouldnt compare to SP era(with the exception of Higher Place and FITH, maybe a couple more) but they are all good rock songs that I listen to a lot. Nothing wrong with these tunes. If this were the CD of a brand new band we'd all love it to death and it would have put them on the map.

[E5C4P3ING]

I agree most of those songs wouldnt compare to SP era(with the exception of Higher Place and FITH, maybe a couple more) but they are all good rock songs that I listen to a lot. Nothing wrong with these tunes. If this were the CD of a brand new band we'd all love it to death and it would have put them on the map.

Finally, some sanity here. Thanks for your support Gator!

[ArnelRox]

Careful there Granny, I challenged you to be objective, but i'm afraid your JSS undies are showing!

If she really has a pair, I want photos

[Rick]

I agree most of those songs wouldnt compare to SP era(with the exception of Higher Place and FITH, maybe a couple more) but they are all good rock songs that I listen to a lot. Nothing wrong with these tunes. If this were the CD of a brand new band we'd all love it to death and it would have put them on the map.

Finally, some sanity here. Thanks for your support Gator!

Oh, you think he's sane? Try discussing college football with him!

[belar]

I agree most of those songs wouldnt compare to SP era(with the exception of Higher Place and FITH, maybe a couple more) but they are all good rock songs that I listen to a lot. Nothing wrong with these tunes. If this were the CD of a brand new band we'd all love it to death and it would have put them on the map.

I have to disagree. If, say, Arrival would have been the debut CD of a new band, it would have received even less of a sniff than it actually did from the public at large. WE might all love it, but we are a very very small percentage of the overall music consumers in the world.

[ohsherrie]

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

OK, I'll take that challenge. It's not kick ass music. It's good music, not what Steve Perry helped establish as being Journey good though, and certainly not kick ass.

The only thing I'm grateful to them for from the last 10 yrs is Jeff Scott Soto.

[E5C4P3ING]

Oh, you think he's sane? Try discussing college football with him! [/quote]

I'd try with him over some oooootttherrrs!

[Saint John]

"Kick ass music??????" Are you fucking serious???? Muddled vocals, sound quality that would horrify Marlee Matlin and a voice thinner than a Chinese dick certainly doesn't add up to "kick ass music." Grab another box of donuts, a 6 pack of Mountain Dew and plop your fat ass back on the couch. If the doorbell rings...answer it. It might be common sense.

[scarab]

you had me until you mentions butterfly. Now thats "kind of mary poppins"!

[E5C4P3ING]

"Kick ass music??????" Are you fucking serious???? Muddled vocals, sound quality that would horrify Marlee Matlin and a voice thinner than a Chinese dick certainly doesn't add up to "kick ass music." Grab another box of donuts, a 6 pack of Mountain Dew and plop your fat ass back on the couch. If the doorbell rings...answer it. It might be common sense.

You are obviously one of those who are incapable of being objective

[Eric]

I think Higher Place and Faith in the Heartland are kick-ass songs.

I think they could have gone in a new direction, but (and fairly) would have needed to use the name Journey somehow. Like New Journey, or Journey Continues.

I think after the shit Deano took, he deserves to crow

I saw "We will meet again" at the NYS Fair in August 2001. Dedication...

[E5C4P3ING]

you had me until you mentions butterfly. Now thats "kind of mary poppins"!

Listen again..I know that one is a bit of a challenge, but if you can get past the first verse which is a bit sappy, the guitar and vocals soar...go ahead... it won't hurt!

[Abitaman]

No he hasn't. Some of those songs sucked big time...especially Butterfly and she flies alone... two of the worst sounding songs I have ever heard from any band.

Careful there Granny, I challenged you to be objective, but i'm afraid your JSS undies are showing! To be objective would first mean that you would take the time to find out that Butterly (She Flies Alone) is one song, not two.

But I'm sure you knew that already, didn't you?

My points are:
1. A Steve Perry fronted Journey was and would be the ULTIMATE.

2. If the music produced by the Augeri fronted Journey over the past 8 years were done so under any OTHER name, it may have been better received by the masses.

3. I appreciate the efforts and talents of Mr. Augeri, in addition to Steve Perry and even JSS.

1.-TRUE

2.-False. The name JOURNEY sells cds and concerts. Arrival made under a different name would have sold less than half of what it did under the Journey name. The Perryheads would have anything to complain about that way, but less cds would have been bought, and less concert tickets sold. Journey will sell more tickets than band X touring off Arrival. Band X has no past hits, Journey does. It was a no brain-er for Journey to keep going. After all Neal and Cain and everyone else out there has to make a living, and that is what they are doing.

3.- Augeri keep the music alive for 8 years. I really liked Generations and Arrival. RED 13 is ok (production sucks). Perry is and will be the voice of Rock, no one can touch him, so by carrying on the name Journey all are going to fall short trying to be him. And yes it that legacy that the band is living off of, along with Schon and company.

But the best bet was to carry on the name Journey-ERIC

[Saint John]

"Kick ass music??????" Are you fucking serious???? Muddled vocals, sound quality that would horrify Marlee Matlin and a voice thinner than a Chinese dick certainly doesn't add up to "kick ass music." Grab another box of donuts, a 6 pack of Mountain Dew and plop your fat ass back on the couch. If the doorbell rings...answer it. It might be common sense.

You are obviously one of those who are incapable of being objective

What makes you think that?

[Journey/Survivor]

Much has been written and said regarding Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain's decision to move forward as Journey, back in 1997, minus their legendary front man, Steve Perry.

Being a die-hard Journey fan and someone who idolized Steve Perry, growing up in the late 70's-80's, to say I was disappointed about the decision would be a big time under-statement.

Hind-sight being 20/20 and all, I can't help but feel Schon and Cain would have been better served by honoring Perry's pleas to not fracture the Journey name, but gone ahead and created something new with Steve Augeri. Schon/Cain/Vallory and Castronovo certainly weilded enough clout and name recognition to draw an intial intrest into said new project, without the stigma of having to duplicate the Perry era Journey sound. (Although, having attended a couple of shows with Augeri fronting the band, I give him high marks for his efforts and talent!)

I challenge those who summarily dismissed the band's Augeri era music product to objectively listen to quality rock and roll songs such as "Higher Place", World Gone Wild", "To Be Alive Again", "Faith in the Heartland", "Place in Your Heart", "Out of Harms Way" and "Never too Late" along with soulful ballads like "Kiss Me Softly", "Livin to Do", "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" and possibly the best power ballad never played in concert "We Will Meet Again".

I challenge those naysayers to tell me those songs are not kick ass music!

Yes, I was then and still remain disappointed that Steve Perry has not been a part of Journey for the last 10 years; however, I am grateful for the talents,music and memories provided by Schon/Cain/Vallory/Castronovo and one Mr. Steve Augeri!

I've been a diehard Journey fan since about the 1980-1981 time period.

Steve Perry is my second favorite singer of all time, and he's a great song writer as well.

When I first heard that Journey were continuing on with a new singer and not Steve Perry I was disappointed. But soon after I was just happy that the band was going to continue on, and that it was highly unlikely that Perry was going to give the band the opportunity to continue on with him.

Anyway, I agree, Steve augeri did a great job in the band. And some of the Augeri era songs like Higher Place, World Gone Wild, Live And Breath, Faith In The Heartland, The Place In Your Heart etc, etc are Journey classics!

[ohsherrie]

And some of the Augeri era songs like Higher Place, World Gone Wild, Live And Breath, Faith In The Heartland, The Place In Your Heart etc, etc are Journey classics!

Oooooookkkkkkkkk, how many people within the music industry, or even in the general public do you think have ever heard those Journey classics?

[T-Bone]

[Journey/Survivor]

And some of the Augeri era songs like Higher Place, World Gone Wild, Live And Breath, Faith In The Heartland, The Place In Your Heart etc, etc are Journey classics!

Oooooookkkkkkkkk, how many people within the music industry, or even in the general public do you think have ever heard those Journey classics?

By "classics" I don't mean it in the same sense as songs like "Wheel In The sky" "Any Way You Want It" "Don't Stop Believin."

Obviously they weren't hits and mostly only Journey fans know them. I just mean that in sound and style they are Classic Journey. Higher Place, The Place In Your Heart and Faith In tHe Heartland sound like they could have been on the Frontiers album and fit right in with the rest of the album.