OT--The Future of This Great Country

[RedWingFan]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm stating that the left demanding the removal of the 10 commandments and mentions of God are ridiculous. They're the "progressives" trying to change the things that made this country great. I play defense!

[scarygirl]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

Uhm again, I think you over generalize. The religious right doesn't represent me either. Keep guessing though.

I don't take these threads that seriously. If I did, I would have already dug my bomb shelter by now.

[brywool]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm stating that the left demanding the removal of the 10 commandments and mentions of God are ridiculous. They're the "progressives" trying to change the things that made this country great. I play defense!

not ridiculous at all.

"What does GOD need with... a Starship???"
Capt. James T. Kirk

Where does GOD fit with government? Nowhere.

[ohsherrie]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm stating that the left demanding the removal of the 10 commandments and mentions of God are ridiculous. They're the "progressives" trying to change the things that made this country great. I play defense!

RF, that's the extreme left, and I'm not that extreme. I really don't care one way or another if the 'standard rules of decency that don't take a god to define' are displayed in a courthouse. I don't even care if they're called the TEN COMMANDMENTS. What I care about is having the laws that I have to live by influenced by a religious code.

[RedWingFan]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm stating that the left demanding the removal of the 10 commandments and mentions of God are ridiculous. They're the "progressives" trying to change the things that made this country great. I play defense!

not ridiculous at all.

"What does GOD need with... a Starship???"
Capt. James T. Kirk

Where does GOD fit with government? Nowhere.

Take a peak at our founding documents. What do they know, they only laid the foundation for us. In 200 short years, yeah let's change it. Rewrite everything.

[RedWingFan]

RF, that's the extreme left, and I'm not that extreme. I really don't care one way or another if the 'standard rules of decency that don't take a god to define' are displayed in a courthouse. I don't even care if they're called the TEN COMMANDMENTS. What I care about is having the laws that I have to live by influenced by a religious code.

Example please.

[brywool]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm stating that the left demanding the removal of the 10 commandments and mentions of God are ridiculous. They're the "progressives" trying to change the things that made this country great. I play defense!

not ridiculous at all.

"What does GOD need with... a Starship???"
Capt. James T. Kirk

Where does GOD fit with government? Nowhere.

Take a peak at our founding documents. What do they know, they only laid the foundation for us. In 200 short years, yeah let's change it. Rewrite everything.

Isn't that what's happening with the present administration??
whatever. It sure won't be solved here...

[ohsherrie]

"What does GOD need with... a Starship???"
Capt. James T. Kirk

Oh shit, you don't know how much I wish I'd thought of that. I'm a trekkie.

[ohsherrie]

RF, that's the extreme left, and I'm not that extreme. I really don't care one way or another if the 'standard rules of decency that don't take a god to define' are displayed in a courthouse. I don't even care if they're called the TEN COMMANDMENTS. What I care about is having the laws that I have to live by influenced by a religious code.

Example please.

The right wing movement trying to get Roe v Wade overturned.

[scarygirl]

I don't understand why some insist on entrusting them with more control of their lives.

Exactly RF. Why would people insist on having the religious right control their lives? Damned if I can figure it out.

I'm not suggesting that. I'm stating that the left demanding the removal of the 10 commandments and mentions of God are ridiculous. They're the "progressives" trying to change the things that made this country great. I play defense!

not ridiculous at all.

"What does GOD need with... a Starship???"
Capt. James T. Kirk

Where does GOD fit with government? Nowhere.

If it wasn't for God he wouldn't have had the ability to build a star ship. Last time I checked, we don't have the ability to recreate ourselves out of thin air. Cloning aside, the raw materials had to come from somewhere.

One has to have some type of moral center. Otherwise we'd run amuck. And those who claim to not have a God in fact do, it's called GODLESSNESS. If you think nothing is wrong and everything is right, eventually you're going to affect others.

Child molestors and rapists are godless. They only see pleasure in what they can do for themselves by the use and abuse of others. Not saying that every non believer is a child molestor, but the path becomes muddled so much that eventually they become the sickest thing and have no respect for others and that leads to hurt - financial, physical, spiritual.

[RedWingFan]

Take a peak at our founding documents. What do they know, they only laid the foundation for us. In 200 short years, yeah let's change it. Rewrite everything.

Isn't that what's happening with the present administration??
whatever. It sure won't be solved here...

Actually no. Bush has appointed Chief Justice Roberts and Judge Alito (no not the guy who presided over the OJ trial ) Who are both originalists. Who uphold the Constitution as all justices must vow to do. On the otherside you have Justices Ginsburg among others who look past the Constitution as well as the oath she took and use foreign law (or decisions made in other countries) That is completely un-Constitutional!

[RedWingFan]

RF, that's the extreme left, and I'm not that extreme. I really don't care one way or another if the 'standard rules of decency that don't take a god to define' are displayed in a courthouse. I don't even care if they're called the TEN COMMANDMENTS. What I care about is having the laws that I have to live by influenced by a religious code.

Example please.

The right wing movement trying to get Roe v Wade overturned.

That's not a right wing movement. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a basis for that decision. It's no more a religious issue than the 2nd Amendment is. The right to bear arms IS in the Constitution and that is trying to be changed, or "progressed"

[Rip Rokken]

"What does GOD need with... a Starship???"
Capt. James T. Kirk

Where does GOD fit with government? Nowhere.

From "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" If Captain Kirk said it, it must be true...

And I agree... I don't want the government meddling in religious matters, but the 10 Commandments still make a heck of a great code to base your laws on. Too bad even those are unacceptable to all the Christ-o-phobes in this country.

And yes, I'm with ScaryGirl -- For all my griping about the government, I'm not terribly concerned for the future because I know what is yet to come, and one day, this will all be resolved...

Revelation 2:25-27 "Only hold on to what you have until I come. To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations — He will rule them with an iron scepter; he will dash them to pieces like pottery — just as I have received authority from my Father."

Give me a front row seat to this, please... Better yet, give me an iron rod and let me at 'em!

[scarygirl]

RF, that's the extreme left, and I'm not that extreme. I really don't care one way or another if the 'standard rules of decency that don't take a god to define' are displayed in a courthouse. I don't even care if they're called the TEN COMMANDMENTS. What I care about is having the laws that I have to live by influenced by a religious code.

Example please.

The right wing movement trying to get Roe v Wade overturned.

Why can't people not have sex? Or at the very least, accept the consequences of their actions. And before you say in cases of rape, the chances of pregnancy from this act are quite small. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but it's true. I volunteered at a rape crisis center, so I know a little about it.

That said, I think it should be available in limited circumstances. But the vast majority of people are getting them because they have no disregard whatsoever for human life and they are plain irresponsible.

We have the morning after pill, not to be confused with the abortion pill. We have birth control pills. We have condoms. We have abstinence. Again I am talking about two consenting adullts and not in cases where one has been sexually abused or raped.

Birth control? Hell yeah. Use it. Better yet wait til you can handle the consequences.

[ohsherrie]

The right wing movement trying to get Roe v Wade overturned.

That's not a right wing movement. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a basis for that decision. It's no more a religious issue than the 2nd Amendment is. The right to bear arms IS in the Constitution and that is trying to be changed, or "progressed"

Well then why have the religious right bombed clinics and doctors' houses? But I'm sure you know nothing about that.

The right to bear arms was written at a time when you had to have multiple guns loaded to be able to shoot multiple times within one minute. Those people could not have even imagined guns that would fire multiple shots within a second, let alone teenagers killing each other with guns that would fire multiple shots within a second.

They serve no other purpose other than killing people. Tell me RF, do you really want those automatic weapons available to kids?

Before you answer let me tell you one thing. I'm sitting here right now surrounded by an impressive collection of hunting rifles and shotguns. Twelve of them to be exact and two bows. My husband is a hunter and has been since he was old enough to tote a gun into the woods.

He's also against the NRA and against the second amendment being used by gun lobbyists and manufacturers to put guns in the hands of people who don't respect them or the law.

[Rip Rokken]

Why can't people not have sex?

Great question, and there are some folks here who should be able to shed some light on that for ya! J/K !!!

[ohsherrie]

Why can't people not have sex? Or at the very least, accept the consequences of their actions. And before you say in cases of rape, the chances of pregnancy from this act are quite small. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but it's true. I volunteered at a rape crisis center, so I know a little about it.

That said, I think it should be available in limited circumstances. But the vast majority of people are getting them because they have no disregard whatsoever for human life and they are plain irresponsible.

We have the morning after pill, not to be confused with the abortion pill. We have birth control pills. We have condoms. We have abstinence. Again I am talking about two consenting adullts and not in cases where one has been sexually abused or raped.

Birth control? Hell yeah. Use it. Better yet wait til you can handle the consequences.

Exactly, why does it have to be legislated?

[Rip Rokken]

Exactly, why does it have to be legislated?

Why can't I just beat someone with a lead pipe if they tick me off? Shouldn't I have the right to make that private choice without government interference? This comes down to one thing -- whether or not you consider an unborn child a living creature. Apparently they did in the Lacey Peterson case, as Scott Peterson was convicted of double-homicide.

[RedWingFan]

Well then why have the religious right bombed clinics and doctors' houses? But I'm sure you know nothing about that.

Weren't you the one that just cried, "that's the extremist, that's not me" about the 10 commandments? Feel free to paint everyone else with a broad brush. I don't see republicans or conservatives trying to pass bills or appoint judges in an effort to blow up clinics like the left has moved to remove the commandments.

The right to bear arms was written at a time when you had to have multiple guns loaded to be able to shoot multiple times within one minute. Those people could not have even imagined guns that would fire multiple shots within a second, let alone teenagers killing each other with guns that would fire multiple shots within a second.

Well I'm sure if that's all they wanted protected they would have specified "muskets" wouldn't they. I'm sure they were so stupid as to not be able to imagine new inventions.

They serve no other purpose other than killing people.

Hear about Sean Taylor who was shot while trying to defend himself and his family with a meat cleaver???? I wish he would have had a shotgun!!! The offender broke the law by commiting B&E and murdering someone. Think he'd obey a gunlaw. In fact he's probably got priors and already broke existing laws. If you had your way, Taylor wouldn't have the right to anything more than a cleaver.

Tell me RF, do you really want those automatic weapons available to kids?

Are republicans trying to get a bill passed to legally sell to 12 year olds???? Could you pull that up for me, I must have missed it.

Before you answer let me tell you one thing. I'm sitting here right now surrounded by an impressive collection of hunting rifles and shotguns. Twelve of them to be exact and two bows. My husband is a hunter and has been since he was old enough to tote a gun into the woods.

He's also against the NRA and against the second amendment being used by gun lobbyists and manufacturers to put guns in the hands of people who don't respect them or the law.

If it weren't for the NRA he'd be forced to have to sit and listen to you instead of hunting like the Constitution affords him the freedom to.

[Rip Rokken]

Well then why have the religious right bombed clinics and doctors' houses? But I'm sure you know nothing about that.

Those are not my compadres -- those are criminals, plain and simple.

The right to bear arms was written at a time when you had to have multiple guns loaded to be able to shoot multiple times within one minute. Those people could not have even imagined guns that would fire multiple shots within a second, let alone teenagers killing each other with guns that would fire multiple shots within a second.

They serve no other purpose other than killing people.

Read the story of Kennesaw, GA -- Here's an example of what a law REQUIRING gun ownership would do to the crime rate in a city:

http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

[ohsherrie]

Well then why have the religious right bombed clinics and doctors' houses? But I'm sure you know nothing about that.

Those are not my compadres -- those are criminals, plain and simple.

The right to bear arms was written at a time when you had to have multiple guns loaded to be able to shoot multiple times within one minute. Those people could not have even imagined guns that would fire multiple shots within a second, let alone teenagers killing each other with guns that would fire multiple shots within a second.

They serve no other purpose other than killing people.

Read the story of Kennesaw, GA -- Here's an example of what a law REQUIRING gun ownership would do to the crime rate in a city:

http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

I'm assuming that you're not serious. You can't honestly believe that this represents reality in this country as a whole.

If that kind of logic would work I could take a town and confiscate all the rubbers and birth control pills and count how many people had sex that night.

[ohsherrie]

Well I'm sure if that's all they wanted protected they would have specified "muskets" wouldn't they. I'm sure they were so stupid as to not be able to imagine new inventions.

If it weren't for the NRA he'd be forced to have to sit and listen to you instead of hunting like the Constitution affords him the freedom to.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been taking advantage of a person who was intellectually challenged by responding to your posts.

[RedWingFan]

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been taking advantage of a person who was intellectually challenged by responding to your posts.

Well, how convenient for you!!! :roll: It doesn't even make sense

Well then why have the religious right bombed clinics and doctors' houses? But I'm sure you know nothing about that.

Weren't you the one that just cried, "that's the extremist, that's not me" about the 10 commandments? Feel free to paint everyone else with a broad brush. I don't see republicans or conservatives trying to pass bills or appoint judges in an effort to blow up clinics like the left has moved to remove the commandments.

The right to bear arms was written at a time when you had to have multiple guns loaded to be able to shoot multiple times within one minute. Those people could not have even imagined guns that would fire multiple shots within a second, let alone teenagers killing each other with guns that would fire multiple shots within a second.

Well I'm sure if that's all they wanted protected they would have specified "muskets" wouldn't they. I'm sure they were so stupid as to not be able to imagine new inventions.

They serve no other purpose other than killing people.

Hear about Sean Taylor who was shot while trying to defend himself and his family with a meat cleaver???? I wish he would have had a shotgun!!! The offender broke the law by commiting B&E and murdering someone. Think he'd obey a gunlaw. In fact he's probably got priors and already broke existing laws. If you had your way, Taylor wouldn't have the right to anything more than a cleaver.

Tell me RF, do you really want those automatic weapons available to kids?

Are republicans trying to get a bill passed to legally sell to 12 year olds???? Could you pull that up for me, I must have missed it.

Before you answer let me tell you one thing. I'm sitting here right now surrounded by an impressive collection of hunting rifles and shotguns. Twelve of them to be exact and two bows. My husband is a hunter and has been since he was old enough to tote a gun into the woods.

He's also against the NRA and against the second amendment being used by gun lobbyists and manufacturers to put guns in the hands of people who don't respect them or the law.

If it weren't for the NRA he'd be forced to have to sit and listen to you instead of hunting like the Constitution affords him the freedom to.

[conversationpc]

When Jerry Falwell died, that was a freakin' happy day in this country.
Hopefully Robertson's next.

It never ceases to amaze and sicken me when people wish death on others like this. Save that kinda crap for people who actually deserve it like murderers, terrorists, etc.

[conversationpc]

Well then why have the religious right bombed clinics and doctors' houses? But I'm sure you know nothing about that.

Weren't you the one that just cried, "that's the extremist, that's not me" about the 10 commandments? Feel free to paint everyone else with a broad brush.

Bravo, sir!

[mikemarrs]

all its going to take is another terrorist attack here in '08 before bush leaves and he can extend his presidency as long as he sees fit.there are quite a few predictions that something will happen sometime after the presidential candidates are announced and right before the elections......

[conversationpc]

all its going to take is another terrorist attack here in '08 before bush leaves and he can extend his presidency as long as he sees fit.there are quite a few predictions that something will happen sometime after the presidential candidates are announced and right before the elections......

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised a bit if we get some terrorist action before the elections ala Spain a few years ago. They intimidated those folks into voting more Socialists into office. I hope that wouldn't work here.

[scarygirl]

Well I'm sure if that's all they wanted protected they would have specified "muskets" wouldn't they. I'm sure they were so stupid as to not be able to imagine new inventions.

If it weren't for the NRA he'd be forced to have to sit and listen to you instead of hunting like the Constitution affords him the freedom to.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been taking advantage of a person who was intellectually challenged by responding to your posts.

Why is that we're intellectually challenged just because we don't agree with you?

Guns aren't just for random killing. They're also for defense. How about a trade. Your guns for a box of tooth pics. When an intruder comes we'll compare notes. Oh wait, tooth pics don't do that much damage. Maybe you can offer him a batch of ritz and cheese on a tooth pic. You know, as a peace offering. That should do the trick!

[bluejeangirl76]

Well I'm sure if that's all they wanted protected they would have specified "muskets" wouldn't they. I'm sure they were so stupid as to not be able to imagine new inventions.

If it weren't for the NRA he'd be forced to have to sit and listen to you instead of hunting like the Constitution affords him the freedom to.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been taking advantage of a person who was intellectually challenged by responding to your posts.

Why is that we're intellectually challenged just because we don't agree with you?

Guns aren't just for random killing. They're also for defense. How about a trade. Your guns for a box of tooth pics. When an intruder comes we'll compare notes. Oh wait, tooth pics don't do that much damage. Maybe you can offer him a batch of ritz and cheese on a tooth pic. You know, as a peace offering. That should do the trick!

Triscuits work better - sharper edges. If you wield it right, you can slice an artery.

[scarygirl]

I'm going to make this real easy for you. Guns don't kill people. A lack of respect for life does.