OT--The Future of This Great Country

[RedWingFan]

I'm going to make this real easy for you. Guns don't kill people. A lack of respect for life does.

[Rhiannon]

Riiiiiiight. And what turned her into a fugly lesbian? Eating tacos with said spoons?

[Rick]

Riiiiiiight. And what turned her into a fugly lesbian? Eating tacos with said spoons?

Eating tacos yes, but I don't think she used a spoon.

[bluejeangirl76]

Riiiiiiight. And what turned her into a fugly lesbian? Eating tacos with said spoons?

Duuuuuuuuude!

[Rhiannon]

[scarygirl]

:shock:

ROTFL!

[Rhiannon]

ROTFL!

It was too ironic to pass up.

[bluejeangirl76]

It was too ironic to pass up.

[Rhiannon]

Did I ever tell you how much I love your brilliance, BJ?

Yeah... you're just BJ now.

[bluejeangirl76]

Did I ever tell you how much I love your brilliance, BJ?

Yeah... you're just BJ now.

That's quite alright, I don't mind.
Calling me BJ is just like calling SP "the Voice" - just highlighting a talent.

[Rhiannon]

Calling me BJ is just like calling SP "the Voice" - just highlighting a talent.

It must be, you sure are COCKY enough.

[Rip Rokken]

I'm assuming that you're not serious. You can't honestly believe that this represents reality in this country as a whole.

If that kind of logic would work I could take a town and confiscate all the rubbers and birth control pills and count how many people had sex that night.

Of course I'm serious! However, I don't think this should be instantly applied everywhere... But the old addage is true -- "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns". Private gun ownership is a great deterrent for crime, and the fact we have an armed society has also been a deterrent against foreign invasion. Gun crime is the result of people, not guns, and these people would commit crimes without guns as well.

[Saint John]

Did I ever tell you how much I love your brilliance, BJ?

Yeah... you're just BJ now.

That's quite alright, I don't mind.
Calling me BJ is just like calling SP "the Voice" - just highlighting a talent.

You like giving BJ's? My number is 773 814-5562 Gimme a ring.

[bluejeangirl76]

Calling me BJ is just like calling SP "the Voice" - just highlighting a talent.

It must be, you sure are COCKY enough.

I'm not cocky. I can back that up. I have witnesses.

Okay, back to whatever the original topic was...

[bluejeangirl76]

Did I ever tell you how much I love your brilliance, BJ?

Yeah... you're just BJ now.

That's quite alright, I don't mind.
Calling me BJ is just like calling SP "the Voice" - just highlighting a talent.

You like giving BJ's? My number is 773 814-5562 Gimme a ring.

All I said was talented. Never said anything about liking it. ROFL!!!!
Then again who LIKES it. It's like being good at doing the laundry.
And suddenly I'm sorry I said anything. Let this not get hijacked by this. Yikes.

[Rhiannon]

It's like being good at doing the laundry.
And suddenly I'm sorry I said anything. Let this not get hijacked by this. Yikes.

I like doing laundry, and I'm good at it too.

But yeah, moving right along back to a better topic of... what? Rosie O'Donnell & puss? Yeah, THAT is so much better.

not!

[bluejeangirl76]

It's like being good at doing the laundry.
And suddenly I'm sorry I said anything. Let this not get hijacked by this. Yikes.

I like doing laundry, and I'm good at it too.

But yeah, moving right along back to a better topic of... what? Rosie O'Donnell & puss? Yeah, THAT is so much better.

not!

That depends who you ask.

[Rhiannon]

That depends who you ask.

Hots isn't here anymore though.

[Rip Rokken]

Then again who LIKES it. It's like being good at doing the laundry.

And sometimes ya might need a little starch.

[Monker]

Ok, Monker -- I try not to do the libs vs. conservative or Repub vs. Dems arguments, because they are someone useless -- but I will ask you this: Do you think we could be headed for a real crisis with Social Security, illegal immigration, etc? Anyone who does the math realizes that the numbers don't bode well for the future in either situation. If you don't feel that either is in danger, that's ok, too, but tell us what do you think about those situations?

No, we have a 'crisis' of priorities.

When we went to war in Iraq I argued that this country could not afford it, literaly. THAT became our priority, not saving for this countries future. Here we were, in the middle of a recesion, going to spend BILLIONS of dollars on a war against a country which was absolutely NO threat to this nation - PERIOD. IMO, it was the DUMBEST decision that any President has made in my lifetime. I would say even Watergate was not as STUPID as invading Iraq. We should have been investing in THIS country...not Iraq. Fuck Iraq...rebuild THIS country before you start worrying about others.

We should have invested those BILLIONS of dollars into getting this country off of its oil addiction. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have been securing our borders. Instead of straining our military, we could have used then strategicaly in Afghanistan - which WAS OBVIOUSLY a terrorist play ground.

There were other ways to the UN inspection thing...tell Iraq (and now Iran and North Korea) we'll bomb the shit out of any facility they refuse to allow inspectors into. Give them 24hrs notice and THEN IT'S BLASTED TO HELL.

The next President is going to have a VERY hard time...because I think we MUST go through a recession to get us out of the W debacle...Just as Reagan led us through to get us through the Carter debacle. We need to get off the oil...and industry is too slow. Offer government contracts to companies who can supply hydrogen fuel cells for military vehicles of any type. Invest in nuclear power, or hydro power, or wind power, or solar power. Invest in ways to burn coal without the polution. Offer contracts to companies who can use alternative fuels to power military bases. GET OFF THE OIL - completely.

These are things the government should be doing - to provide for the common welfare of its people - as stated in the Constitution. Instead we have a nation of factions only interested in their own agendas - and NOTHING gets done for the good of the people - ONLY for the good of their factions.

The next president is going to have to decide if Iraq is a better investment in this countries future then social security, immigration, health care, education, the environment, oil addiction, border security, and HUGE number of domestic issues which W almost totaly ignored for 8yrs. Then he has to deal with the distraction of same sex marriages, abortion, flag burning, spying on potential terrorists at the expense of our rights, representatives masurbating in public, government corruption. Fuck all of that crap - leave it for tabloids and FOX News to sensationalize and make a buck off of. But, it should NOT be the priority of the government - or the people who it works for.

If we choose to elect somebody who refuses to invest in this countries future, and chooses to invest in Iraq, military deployments, and limiting our Constitutional rights, then yes, there WILL be huge problems coming up in the next four years. That is absolutely true. Pat Buchanan is a smart, honestly. He is smart enough to know that if he is going to talk about 'crisis', he is only going to give you what works for his viewpoint - not the big picture. He is not going to go off and tell you that Social Security will not have to suffer so bad if we stop WASTING hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq, or if we stop wasting the Government's time debating if it is OK if a man has a 'marriage' to another man that we may actually be able to debate and come to a decent proposal for immigration. No, he would rather have this nation concentrate on abortion rights and CAUSE the 'crisis' he mentions.

About Social Security. The first 'baby boomer' recently retired...that is the beginning of a HUGE strain on the system...FEWER people working, MORE people drawing Social Security. We had 8yrs to prepare for it - and our Republican and 'conservative' led government choose to ignore it in favor of their own priorities.

And, it is all Steve Perry's fault. That bastard.

[Saint John]

Ok, Monker -- I try not to do the libs vs. conservative or Repub vs. Dems arguments, because they are someone useless -- but I will ask you this: Do you think we could be headed for a real crisis with Social Security, illegal immigration, etc? Anyone who does the math realizes that the numbers don't bode well for the future in either situation. If you don't feel that either is in danger, that's ok, too, but tell us what do you think about those situations?

No, we have a 'crisis' of priorities.

When we went to war in Iraq I argued that this country could not afford it, literaly. THAT became our priority, not saving for this countries future. Here we were, in the middle of a recesion, going to spend BILLIONS of dollars on a war against a country which was absolutely NO threat to this nation - PERIOD. IMO, it was the DUMBEST decision that any President has made in my lifetime. I would say even Watergate was not as STUPID as invading Iraq. We should have been investing in THIS country...not Iraq. Fuck Iraq...rebuild THIS country before you start worrying about others.

We should have invested those BILLIONS of dollars into getting this country off of its oil addiction. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have been securing our borders. Instead of straining our military, we could have used then strategicaly in Afghanistan - which WAS OBVIOUSLY a terrorist play ground.

There were other ways to the UN inspection thing...tell Iraq (and now Iran and North Korea) we'll bomb the shit out of any facility they refuse to allow inspectors into. Give them 24hrs notice and THEN IT'S BLASTED TO HELL.

The next President is going to have a VERY hard time...because I think we MUST go through a recession to get us out of the W debacle...Just as Reagan led us through to get us through the Carter debacle. We need to get off the oil...and industry is too slow. Offer government contracts to companies who can supply hydrogen fuel cells for military vehicles of any type. Invest in nuclear power, or hydro power, or wind power, or solar power. Invest in ways to burn coal without the polution. Offer contracts to companies who can use alternative fuels to power military bases. GET OFF THE OIL - completely.

These are things the government should be doing - to provide for the common welfare of its people - as stated in the Constitution. Instead we have a nation of factions only interested in their own agendas - and NOTHING gets done for the good of the people - ONLY for the good of their factions.

The next president is going to have to decide if Iraq is a better investment in this countries future then social security, immigration, health care, education, the environment, oil addiction, border security, and HUGE number of domestic issues which W almost totaly ignored for 8yrs. Then he has to deal with the distraction of same sex marriages, abortion, flag burning, spying on potential terrorists at the expense of our rights, representatives masurbating in public, government corruption. Fuck all of that crap - leave it for tabloids and FOX News to sensationalize and make a buck off of. But, it should NOT be the priority of the government - or the people who it works for.

If we choose to elect somebody who refuses to invest in this countries future, and chooses to invest in Iraq, military deployments, and limiting our Constitutional rights, then yes, there WILL be huge problems coming up in the next four years. That is absolutely true. Pat Buchanan is a smart, honestly. He is smart enough to know that if he is going to talk about 'crisis', he is only going to give you what works for his viewpoint - not the big picture. He is not going to go off and tell you that Social Security will not have to suffer so bad if we stop WASTING hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq, or if we stop wasting the Government's time debating if it is OK if a man has a 'marriage' to another man that we may actually be able to debate and come to a decent proposal for immigration. No, he would rather have this nation concentrate on abortion rights and CAUSE the 'crisis' he mentions.

About Social Security. The first 'baby boomer' recently retired...that is the beginning of a HUGE strain on the system...FEWER people working, MORE people drawing Social Security. We had 8yrs to prepare for it - and our Republican and 'conservative' led government choose to ignore it in favor of their own priorities.

And, it is all Steve Perry's fault. That bastard.

Monker, I hope you die in a car wreck.

[bluejeangirl76]

Then again who LIKES it. It's like being good at doing the laundry.

And sometimes ya might need a little starch.

Nope. I can keep one stif- I mean... er...

[Rhiannon]

Nope. I can keep one stif- I mean... er...

Stifled? STIF - Short Term Investment Fund?

[Monker]

I guess I read a little deeper, or maybe just different meaning into what Monker said. I interpreted it to mean that ever since Bush managed to use 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq the conservatives have had this "your either with us or against us" attitude and if your not with us your not a Patriot. If you didn't support a war that you have every right to disagree with then you weren't supporting our troops and weren't patriotic.

EXACTLY. I agree with Bill Mahr when he said that it is MORE 'patriotic' to disagree with our government and VOICE that opinion. THAT is how this country was founded...a minority group of loudmouthed 'patriots' telling King George the Turd to drink his next cup of tea out of the Boston Harbor.

Voices of dissention are what keep our goverment honest. When that dissention was "controled" after 9/11 it cause a HUGE mess. We had scared Democrats voting with the polls, and an Executive branch on a power binge...and a press too afraid to call ANYBODY out. What it boiled down to is it being 'unpatriotic' to not support the Iraq effort. NOBODY wanted that label.

To hell with that. Burn a flag - IMO, THAT is more patriotic then being a cheerleader for the dumbest decision a President has made in recent memory.

[Monker]

Ok, Monker -- I try not to do the libs vs. conservative or Repub vs. Dems arguments, because they are someone useless -- but I will ask you this: Do you think we could be headed for a real crisis with Social Security, illegal immigration, etc? Anyone who does the math realizes that the numbers don't bode well for the future in either situation. If you don't feel that either is in danger, that's ok, too, but tell us what do you think about those situations?

No, we have a 'crisis' of priorities.

When we went to war in Iraq I argued that this country could not afford it, literaly. THAT became our priority, not saving for this countries future. Here we were, in the middle of a recesion, going to spend BILLIONS of dollars on a war against a country which was absolutely NO threat to this nation - PERIOD. IMO, it was the DUMBEST decision that any President has made in my lifetime. I would say even Watergate was not as STUPID as invading Iraq. We should have been investing in THIS country...not Iraq. Fuck Iraq...rebuild THIS country before you start worrying about others.

We should have invested those BILLIONS of dollars into getting this country off of its oil addiction. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have been securing our borders. Instead of straining our military, we could have used then strategicaly in Afghanistan - which WAS OBVIOUSLY a terrorist play ground.

There were other ways to the UN inspection thing...tell Iraq (and now Iran and North Korea) we'll bomb the shit out of any facility they refuse to allow inspectors into. Give them 24hrs notice and THEN IT'S BLASTED TO HELL.

The next President is going to have a VERY hard time...because I think we MUST go through a recession to get us out of the W debacle...Just as Reagan led us through to get us through the Carter debacle. We need to get off the oil...and industry is too slow. Offer government contracts to companies who can supply hydrogen fuel cells for military vehicles of any type. Invest in nuclear power, or hydro power, or wind power, or solar power. Invest in ways to burn coal without the polution. Offer contracts to companies who can use alternative fuels to power military bases. GET OFF THE OIL - completely.

These are things the government should be doing - to provide for the common welfare of its people - as stated in the Constitution. Instead we have a nation of factions only interested in their own agendas - and NOTHING gets done for the good of the people - ONLY for the good of their factions.

The next president is going to have to decide if Iraq is a better investment in this countries future then social security, immigration, health care, education, the environment, oil addiction, border security, and HUGE number of domestic issues which W almost totaly ignored for 8yrs. Then he has to deal with the distraction of same sex marriages, abortion, flag burning, spying on potential terrorists at the expense of our rights, representatives masurbating in public, government corruption. Fuck all of that crap - leave it for tabloids and FOX News to sensationalize and make a buck off of. But, it should NOT be the priority of the government - or the people who it works for.

If we choose to elect somebody who refuses to invest in this countries future, and chooses to invest in Iraq, military deployments, and limiting our Constitutional rights, then yes, there WILL be huge problems coming up in the next four years. That is absolutely true. Pat Buchanan is a smart, honestly. He is smart enough to know that if he is going to talk about 'crisis', he is only going to give you what works for his viewpoint - not the big picture. He is not going to go off and tell you that Social Security will not have to suffer so bad if we stop WASTING hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq, or if we stop wasting the Government's time debating if it is OK if a man has a 'marriage' to another man that we may actually be able to debate and come to a decent proposal for immigration. No, he would rather have this nation concentrate on abortion rights and CAUSE the 'crisis' he mentions.

About Social Security. The first 'baby boomer' recently retired...that is the beginning of a HUGE strain on the system...FEWER people working, MORE people drawing Social Security. We had 8yrs to prepare for it - and our Republican and 'conservative' led government choose to ignore it in favor of their own priorities.

And, it is all Steve Perry's fault. That bastard.

Monker, I hope you die in a car wreck.

Yeah, and I'm sure it will be because some dorky Perryhead got all rubbernecky cuz Perry was seen out of the corner of her eye.

In other words - it will be Steve Perry's fault.

[Rhiannon]

And, it is all Steve Perry's fault. That bastard.

Monker, I hope you die in a car wreck.

Yeah, and I'm sure it will be because some dorky Perryhead got all rubbernecky cuz Perry was seen out of the corner of her eye.

In other words - it will be Steve Perry's fault.

Reganomics.

[Monker]

Reganomics.

Well, we all know how Perry pissed on everybody beneath him. That inspired Reagan to come up with the "trickle down" theory of economics. Of course Perry's heritage is from a rare tribe of Portuguese, cannibalistic, zombie maker's. So, the real term is actualy voodoo economics.

[Rip Rokken]

No, we have a 'crisis' of priorities.

When we went to war in Iraq I argued that this country could not afford it, literaly... We should have been investing in THIS country...not Iraq. ...rebuild THIS country before you start worrying about others.

We should have invested those BILLIONS of dollars into getting this country off of its oil addiction. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have been securing our borders.

The next President is going to have a VERY hard time...because I think we MUST go through a recession to get us out of the W debacle...Just as Reagan led us through to get us through the Carter debacle. We need to get off the oil...and industry is too slow. Offer government contracts to companies who can supply hydrogen fuel cells for military vehicles of any type. Invest in nuclear power, or hydro power, or wind power, or solar power. Invest in ways to burn coal without the polution. Offer contracts to companies who can use alternative fuels to power military bases. GET OFF THE OIL - completely.

These are things the government should be doing - to provide for the common welfare of its people - as stated in the Constitution. Instead we have a nation of factions only interested in their own agendas - and NOTHING gets done for the good of the people - ONLY for the good of their factions.

About Social Security... We had 8yrs to prepare for it - and our Republican and 'conservative' led government choose to ignore it in favor of their own priorities.

And, it is all Steve Perry's fault. That bastard.

You know, actually, I think I misunderstood you. I agree with you on just about each and every point. I'm conservative alone, and not Republican. They left me big time during the last term, and it was, trust me, a HUGE disappointment. If anything positive thing happened in the last election, it was that John Kerry didn't get elected. Not much comfort, though. It was with this last term that I decided that there was no one in any position of power (White House and Congress) that represented my views.

Anyway, yes, all great points. The only thing that might need to be clarified is how much the goverment should "provide for the common welfare of its people", but I believe by saying so you are talking about putting our country's interests first, and not socialism. The govt. has definitely not provided for the best interests of this country for quite some time.

And you're dang right it's ultimately Steve Perry's fault... If he was still cranking out the tunes, there would be a little more love in the country, and a whole lot less division -- especially on this board!

[Rip Rokken]

In other words - it will be Steve Perry's fault.

Reganomics.

Ok, someone please answer this, because I have a friend who told me Steve Perry invested early on in Microsoft, and made something like 200 mil from it, so he's wayyyyyy set. True or myth?

[bluejeangirl76]

In other words - it will be Steve Perry's fault.

Reganomics.

Ok, someone please answer this, because I have a friend who told me Steve Perry invested early on in Microsoft, and made something like 200 mil from it, so he's wayyyyyy set. True or myth?

If that were true, then could I hold him partly to blame for my Vista problems, too?
That damn Bill Gates.