More Journey talk...

by **ScarabGator** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:15 am

Wow, I logged in this morning and saw this news and all I can say is WTF!?!?!?! I have supported the band thru a bunch of bad descisions over the last couple of years but this is not cool. I would only accept new material at this point, then they can release a DVD with Arnel in the same way they did with Augeri in 2001. This rerecording shit is not what I am looking forward to, unless it was a live thing. But I have to hand it to you folks who have called these events for the last year and I argued-you were right, they are bastardizing this great name. This will take some time to soak in, I doubt I'll ever be excited about it. I was excited about a new CD with original stuff but not this...just wrong......

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:21 am

ScarabGator wrote: I doubt I'll ever be excited about it. I was excited about a new CD with original stuff but not this...just wrong......

I think most of us will definitely agree with you on that. It seems like no matter how folks feel about the singer changes and choices, for the most part, no one really wants any part of this re-recording business. As was pointed out - doing a few songs that way and putting them on the website (LAUGH) and in promos to promote the new singer is one thing. But this is just insanity.

by **Behshad** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:22 am

ScarabGator wrote:Wow, I logged in this morning and saw this news and all I can say is WTF!?!?!?! I have supported the band thru a bunch of bad descisions over the last couple of years but this is not cool. I would only accept new material at this point, then they can release a DVD with Arnel in the same way they did with Augeri in 2001. This rerecording shit is not what I am looking forward to, unless it was a live thing. But I have to hand it to you folks who have called these events for the last year and I argued-you were right, they are bastardizing this great name. This will take some time to soak in, I doubt I'll ever be excited about it. I was excited about a new CD with original stuff but not this...just wrong......

Enjoy

Sorry,, but seriously,,, this is sad,,, how low can they go? I guess they gonna milk this money making machine till it's done paying off Neals evil buddy "Al E. Monie".

by **sniper16** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:48 am

this has been done for many years and different reasons, first of all steve perry did not write all of journeys songs by himself.
no one has control over who records thier songs
when ghost came out the rightous brothers released a single of a rerecording to reap some sale away from the label
ozzy rerecorded the bass parts to cut out bob daisley from album money.
even night ranger rerecorded thier song to release on an independent label to get a higher royalty rate from sales
walmart will display this and it will sell because most wont know, and dont really care that steve perry is not in the band. they just like the songs.
im not saying its right, and i will not buy it but not because perry is not on it but i have all those songs already, these guys have not been waiting around for perry(bad english hardline soul sirkus arrival were all very good albums)
but this will be the nail in the coffin that there are now a nostalgia act that will only play the same 12 songs on tour. for me they can play anything from 77-01 and anyway you want it and i will be happy.
ps get a life perry is over and done
let it go
and it will out sell any jss product.

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:51 am

Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

Red - this is a bizarre attack on Perry - even for you. How is Journey's stagnant creativity since 1998 Perry's fault?

Pulling the plug in '86, then in '96...demanding say-so over songs they all cowrote together in exchange for them being shut of him.

by **Matthew** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:53 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

Red - this is a bizarre attack on Perry - even for you. How is Journey's stagnant creativity since 1998 Perry's fault?

Pulling the plug in '86, then in '96...demanding say-so over songs they all cowrote together in exchange for them being shut of him.

This is all pre-1998....

by **Behshad** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:53 am

sniper16 wrote:this has been done for many years and different reasons, first of all steve perry did not write all of journeys songs by himself.
no one has control over who records thier songs
when ghost came out the rightous brothers released a single of a rerecording to reap some sale away from the label
ozzy rerecorded the bass parts to cut out bob daisley from album money.
even night ranger rerecorded thier song to release on an independent label to get a higher royalty rate from sales
walmart will display this and it will sell because most wont know, and dont really care that steve perry is not in the band. they just like the songs.
im not saying its right, and i will not buy it but not because perry is not on it but i have all those songs already, these guys have not been waiting around for perry(bad english hardline soul sirkus arrival were all very good albums)
but this will be the nail in the coffin that there are now a nostalgia act that will only play the same 12 songs on tour. for me they can play anything from 77-01 and anyway you want it and i will be happy.
ps get a life perry is over and done
let it go
and it will out sell any jss product.

1. Learn to use the SHIFT button
2.Youre a newbie troll and your views dont matter
3.Even if you were trying to give us your fair view, what was the point of throwing that last sentence there unless youre related to Neal/Jon?
4.Get lost

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:55 am

Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

Red - this is a bizarre attack on Perry - even for you. How is Journey's stagnant creativity since 1998 Perry's fault?

Pulling the plug in '86, then in '96...demanding say-so over songs they all cowrote together in exchange for them being shut of him.

This is all pre-1998....

Whatever, me and you have been up and down this road to the utter bore of the entire board a few times.
I think Perry was the main culprit, you think Schon/Cain was just as happy to end Journey, we agree to disagree, let's go have a 90 proof eggnog bud

by **ScarabGator** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:58 am

OK, before I get bashed too hard hear me out on this one-I emailed a friend thats close to the Journey situation and got an answer about what is going on. You can all take this for what you want but considering where its from I believe it pretty strongly. They will indeed be a new CD with original stuff that is being worked on right now and Arnel is singing on it. He will probably not get any writing credit though. The GH's is also coming out separtely but this could be a promotional thing only? Now, thats what Ive been told from a reliable source close to this camp.

by **Matthew** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:02 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:I agree w/ SinJin, too, there is definately some payback for nearly 2 decades of Journy being cryogenically frozen (artistically) by perry.

Red - this is a bizarre attack on Perry - even for you. How is Journey's stagnant creativity since 1998 Perry's fault?

Pulling the plug in '86, then in '96...demanding say-so over songs they all cowrote together in exchange for them being shut of him.

This is all pre-1998....

Whatever, me and you have been up and down this road to the utter bore of the entire board a few times.
I think Perry was the main culprit, you think Schon/Cain was just as happy to end Journey, we agree to disagree, let's go have a 90 proof eggnog bud

Red - I wasn't wanting to rehash all the trusty old arguments and I'm happy to do the eggnog thing. It was just that blaming Perry for the band's lack of creativity AFTER he left...well, that was a fresh twist on a talked out subject.

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:05 am

Pff.

You know me, I think Perry was on Calvary in a Phillistines uniform.

by **Matthew** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:05 am

ScarabGator wrote:OK, before I get bashed too hard hear me out on this one-I emailed a friend thats close to the Journey situation and got an answer about what is going on. You can all take this for what you want but considering where its from I believe it pretty strongly. They will indeed be a new CD with original stuff that is being worked on right now and Arnel is singing on it. He will probably not get any writing credit though. The GH's is also coming out separtely but this could be a promotional thing only? Now, thats what Ive been told from a reliable source close to this camp.

This sounds plausible to me....

by **E5C4P3ING** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:35 am

Wally_Hatchet wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Wally_Hatchet wrote:Many bands are doing this (re-recording the classics). It's a financial thing for the most part so they don't have to pay former members/songwriters for using/selling the songs. I asked a member of a well-known band that I really like why they re-recorded their hits, and that was THE reason for doing so.

They ALWAYS have to pay the songwriters (whoever they may be), but perhaps not the original record label that paid for the recording sessions etc, which usually hold draconian contracts over their artists.

I believe in the case of the band I eluded to, it is a former manager, not the record company.

Just making the point that these bands arent re-recording their hits just to do it, or to piss ex-members or fans off. It's all about the $$$.Thanks 'Drew for the info.

If Schon is out of money, he's more pathetic than this scam of an idea!

by **CatEyes** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:35 am

nolippin wrote:I wonder if the timing of the remasters was Perry's way of sticking it to them.

Andrew wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Also, some further insight on Perry's involvement in this. I wasn't aware of any agreement with Perry regarding use of the old songs or anything, except for how it related to songs recorded for Sony Music - In other words, all recorded material produced while under contract with CBS/Columbia/Sony.

There has always been a contol deal in place...since Steve left in 1998. I heard 10 years, but a well placed source tells me it was 9 and it has now expired.

FACT - The band wanted to do this earlier than now, but Perry's control and issues with the idea stopped it happening.

Sony was going to do the re-masters anyway ,,,, Perry stepped in so that there would be some band representation in the process....

Cat

by **nolippin** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:41 am

I know. Lora posted about that here, but I think Perry could have had some say over the release date. They have definitely stolen the thunder for this bastardized version and may have been Perry's way of saying FU.

CatEyes wrote:
nolippin wrote:I wonder if the timing of the remasters was Perry's way of sticking it to them.

Andrew wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Also, some further insight on Perry's involvement in this. I wasn't aware of any agreement with Perry regarding use of the old songs or anything, except for how it related to songs recorded for Sony Music - In other words, all recorded material produced while under contract with CBS/Columbia/Sony.

There has always been a contol deal in place...since Steve left in 1998. I heard 10 years, but a well placed source tells me it was 9 and it has now expired.

FACT - The band wanted to do this earlier than now, but Perry's control and issues with the idea stopped it happening.

Sony was going to do the re-masters anyway ,,,, Perry stepped in so that there would be some band representation in the process....

Cat

by **NoMoreTails** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:45 am

Jeremey wrote:Wal Mart approached Journey to rerecord the greatest hits so they could sell a Journey record without having to pay Sony it's pound of flesh. It wasn't to "one up" Perry or to introduce a new singer or anything, just a business opportunity that couldn't be passed up..

Yes, their motive is to get a bigger percentage of the dollar than the pennies on the dollar from Sony sales.

Jeremey wrote:In another respect, the record couldn't be made without a Perry soundalike, as there was a very specific reason to rerecord the classics...See above. No one is going into WalMart to buy what they think is a Journey record and find out that the singer sounds like Barry White (RIP).

And we now have the likely reason JSS was let go and an explanation of Cain's statement about "changing direction" with a return to the "legacy" sound (not that either of us are suggesting JSS sounds like Barry White).

by **Red13JoePa** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:51 am

NoMoTa's right.
We're laughing at the band over this, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

This will be a $-maker for them at probably a fraction of the cost of Generations' production.

Website · by **FishinMagician** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:52 am

Yet everyone here is gonna go buy it...

by **sniper16** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:54 am

hey shithead kiss my ass
im not related to neal/jon
i do like jss i bought eyes when it came out, i have the amlmsteen stuff jeff is a great talent
i just find it funny that jeff is the same as the new guy just a hired hand but you people think he's god.
has jeff ever had an hit in the us
iwould prefer him to another new person because they rocked. but this summer journey will be playing sheds, and jeff will be in clubs playing seal and prince.
go suck steve perry d**k and get a life

by **fightingilliniJRNY** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:55 am

Matthew wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:OK, before I get bashed too hard hear me out on this one-I emailed a friend thats close to the Journey situation and got an answer about what is going on. You can all take this for what you want but considering where its from I believe it pretty strongly. They will indeed be a new CD with original stuff that is being worked on right now and Arnel is singing on it. He will probably not get any writing credit though. The GH's is also coming out separtely but this could be a promotional thing only? Now, thats what Ive been told from a reliable source close to this camp.

This sounds plausible to me....

Me too, but it contradicts what Andrew reported. He said there's no new material.

by **Little Lenny** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:56 am

Matthew wrote:
Little Lenny wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Perrydise wrote:I dont hear any true quality in his voice. He is a lounge singer in a cover band. He doesn't have what I believe to be the "it" factor like JSS. Jeremey has what it takes but he made a decision based on what is right for him.

And Perry worked on a turkey farm.....Augeri worked in Gap...and JSS huffed and puffed for over twenty years with no sucess. It's hardly fair to slam the guy for being a lounge singer before he's even had a chance to show us what he can do.

No he has had success in Europe, and as European ( which I assume as you are in London) you should know that matthew...he has a long record of some great bands/ musicians he's worked with, and songs he has penned...I would hardly say he has huffed and puffed, more like sang without any effort.
His musical life was working for him long before he spent his brief time with Journey. It's just that the Journey episode jettisoned him further into the limelight than he had been before, but he has been in there with the best of them IMO for a long time

As you'll see Lenny...I've already edited that remark.

Regarding his European success...I sometimes think that's over-stated on this board. He played one night in the Carling Academy in London last week which is quite low in the pecking order of venues here. It's not bad - but probably not much bigger than some of the venues he plays in the US.

That doesn't mean that I think he doesn't deserve success. Because he does. But JSS isn't in a much better situation than Arnel is...and Arnel's career shortcomings are seemingly a big issue....in a way that JSS's never were.

You need to get yourself up North then Lad, 'Appen the venues up here are gud'uns! :wink:

Oh and I'd hardly call things like Sweden Rocks low on a pecking order...come on credit where credit is due, he's a great singer. :lol:

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:58 am

No way In hell would I ever buy it or see their new clown singing in concert. I'll live in the past and listen to my old recordings of Journey with Perry singing - the proper Journey .

by **brywool** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:59 am

Andrew wrote:A good mate and long time source of mine tells me the next Journey album is in the can, ready to go...featuring re-recording the classics. No new material as far as I have been told.

What a waste of friggin' time. And WHY would anyone want re-recorded classics with NOT the original (and best) vocalist??? Boggles my mind. Just like all these bands recording covers albums. Jeez, Styx has success with "I Am The Walrus" and all the sudden, the cover album is all anyone's doing.

If this is what Journey's doing, they've truly lost every shred of their collective minds.

A Live album is one thing, but re-recording the studio tracks? Greg, Smitty, and Perry must just be wanting to distance themselves from this train wreck.

STUPID.

by m » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:00 am

for curiosities sake.... i think one person should buy it, then, well..., you know.... :wink:

then, pick a charity, like the families of veterans.. and then the rest of us can send the money to that....

what do you think?

by **stevew2** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:16 am

I just saw this post this morning I cant beleive it, Im taken off my Journey bumber sticker today, that was last straw. they are a bunch off lazy money hungry non creative whores. Id have more respect if Steve Augeri went back to the gap to work. At least that would be a respectable job. These guys are raping there fans, and what was left of "Journey" fuck them everyone of them

by **Behshad** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:20 am

sniper16 wrote:hey shithead kiss my ass
im not related to neal/jon
i do like jss i bought eyes when it came out, i have the amlmsteen stuff jeff is a great talent
i just find it funny that jeff is the same as the new guy just a hired hand but you people think he's god.
has jeff ever had an hit in the us
iwould prefer him to another new person because they rocked. but this summer journey will be playing sheds, and jeff will be in clubs playing seal and prince.
go suck steve perry d**k and get a life

You really need so stop posting here . Your posts are an embaressment to this forum and the English language.

by **bluejeangirl76** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:26 am

lifer wrote:
for curiosities sake.... i think one person should buy it, then, well..., you know....

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In the 'will you buy the re-record CD' thread, I suggested that this is what's probably going to happen anyway.
No doubt it will show up somewhere and the megaupload link will probably just be secretly PMd around, or emailed, or something. People are curious. I'll admit - I'd listen... briefly, probably, but still. It will be talked about and people will want to know what the fuss is.

by **Lerxst101** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:29 am

I started a separate thread, but will post here as well. I let Kevin Shirley know about the latest rumors. He just asked me to post the following:

Tom,
Thanks for the email.
A quick reply from my phone - forgive the brevity.
Feel free to post this if you wish.
Neal and Jon called me and asked me in November to check out a couple of new songs, for an upcoming and possible project with Journey.
I went to San Francisco to assess the new Journey and check out the material. I am so swamped, have a new baby and I did not want to be involved if it wasn't focused and great. I thought I'd be there for 2 days. First, I was stunned at Arnel, who is a monster vocalist. He is the real deal. Just phenomenal. Its true they found him on YouTube. Next I heard the songs. I am always in awe of Jonathan Cain as songwriter/producer and together with Neal, who adds the rock element, they are one of the great songwriting partnerships. Its true they don't always see eye to eye musically, but the combination is magic. We spent a while talking and seeing where they were at. I have been brutally honest with them, and was not interested in being any part of them being a nostalgia/tribute band, which could happen if their focus got lost, which it has been. Some of the songs were lacking direction which I, as an outspoken and brutal outsider, immediately pointed out and set about repairing. So I cut a couple of tracks - and have been school teacher/policeman-producer with them, and with all the shit out of the way, you have to hear them ignore their egos and me, and just play as Journey. All together in the studio. What a privilege to see all 5 of them playing together. They are fantastic. I am always cogniscent of the space Perry and Smith occupy in the sound and legacy, and won't let that be underplayed, and Deen and Arnel are brilliant musicians, and with a little focus the entire band has found their place again. This is stronger than Trial By Fire and sounds like Journey, but state-of-the-art. People always talk up upcoming material, but just wait. Its unbelievable. There's a full album of new material coming, but much more, too. Don't believe all you read - there is no one else but the band in the studio to hear the music (although we do have a Make-A-Wish kid coming in soon).
And that's the dirt from Las Vegas, where I am mixing seven new original songs. I head back to San Francisco after a quick visit to London, to see the Led Zep reunion, to finish off where we began. I can't wait, and you are going to love it!
Merry Xmas,
KS

by **ohsherrie** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:36 am

Won't be buying that one either.

by **Matthew** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:50 am

There could well be a long queue for the humble pie on this forum next year....

MR

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