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[fightingilliniJRNY]

Frontpage updated.

Some of the news, some still to come...

Thank you Andrew! I'm pretty excited. I wonder what is "still to come"...

Any speculation here on who Journey will be touring with? And the fact that it says "possibly two other bands in tow" makes me think Journey will be headlining...?

I may be wrong on this, but from what I heard, when Journey toured with Def Leppard, the only reason Journey didn't headline was because Def Leppard had a more elaborate stage setup. That doesn't make that much sense to me, but I did read that somewhere. Probably crap.

Yeah, that's what I heard, too. Leppard wanted to bring full production, and since it was "co-headlining" ( ) Journey just played first every night. And we all know that Journey had no stage production on that tour. Hopefully it's different this year and Journey does it up right.

[Rick]

Frontpage updated.

Some of the news, some still to come...

Thank you Andrew! I'm pretty excited. I wonder what is "still to come"...

Any speculation here on who Journey will be touring with? And the fact that it says "possibly two other bands in tow" makes me think Journey will be headlining...?

I may be wrong on this, but from what I heard, when Journey toured with Def Leppard, the only reason Journey didn't headline was because Def Leppard had a more elaborate stage setup. That doesn't make that much sense to me, but I did read that somewhere. Probably crap.

False. Def Leppard has their original vocalist and had far more fans at the shows across the country with the exception of California. They'd never open for Journey without Perry. I'd say about 65-75% of the crowd in Chicago came to see DL.

Really? Wow, it wasn't that way here. This area has always been good for Journey though.

[RedWingFan]

Frontpage updated.

Some of the news, some still to come...

Thank you Andrew! I'm pretty excited. I wonder what is "still to come"...

Any speculation here on who Journey will be touring with? And the fact that it says "possibly two other bands in tow" makes me think Journey will be headlining...?

I may be wrong on this, but from what I heard, when Journey toured with Def Leppard, the only reason Journey didn't headline was because Def Leppard had a more elaborate stage setup. That doesn't make that much sense to me, but I did read that somewhere. Probably crap.

False. Def Leppard has their original vocalist and had far more fans at the shows across the country with the exception of California. They'd never open for Journey without Perry. I'd say about 65-75% of the crowd in Chicago came to see DL.

Pretty much the same makeup at the 2 shows I went to.

[belar]

Interesting news, Andrew. I never thought this would be the announcement, but here we are. I guess we'll see where this all goes...

[fightingilliniJRNY]

False. Def Leppard has their original vocalist and had far more fans at the shows across the country with the exception of California. They'd never open for Journey without Perry. I'd say about 65-75% of the crowd in Chicago came to see DL.

I remember it being like that, too. Man, that was a sweet show. Nearly 20,000 people strong if I remember right. In late October there was barely 5,000 people inside in Bloomington, but I would say it was a similarly strong Def Leppard crowd.

[StevePerryHair]

False. Def Leppard has their original vocalist and had far more fans at the shows across the country with the exception of California. They'd never open for Journey without Perry. I'd say about 65-75% of the crowd in Chicago came to see DL.

I remember it being like that, too. Man, that was a sweet show. Nearly 20,000 people strong if I remember right. In late October there was barely 5,000 people inside in Bloomington, but I would say it was a similarly strong Def Leppard crowd.

It's hard to measure that though. We started out wanting to see DL and were so impressed by JSS we continued to see some other concerts during the tour. Many of us were crossovers, so we attended for both.

[JH'sTXfan]

I went to see Journey and my son went with me to see DL. I do know that there were a lot of young people there who were blown away by JSS. He was the talk around the concession stands.

[Andrew]

I went to see Journey and my son went with me to see DL. I do know that there were a lot of young people there who were blown away by JSS. He was the talk around the concession stands.

I will forever regret the fact that JSS didn't get a better shot and a studio album with the band. Certainly one of the most curious decisions in the history of my experiences in this business.
I think he would have slayed them....

[StevePerryHair]

I went to see Journey and my son went with me to see DL. I do know that there were a lot of young people there who were blown away by JSS. He was the talk around the concession stands.

I will forever regret the fact that JSS didn't get a better shot and a studio album with the band. Certainly one of the most curious decisions in the history of my experiences in this business.
I think he would have slayed them....

Yeah, that's the thing that always bothers me most. Not that he was let go, but that we didnt' get that album we all thought we would get before he was let go.

[Red13JoePa]

Starting to appear some underestimated Journey a little bit...they maybe had a few more ducks queued up in a row in anticipation of the expiration date of the portuguese dictator's "hand's off!" order and are now in line with the record retailer that has done terrific things for REO and The Eagles (still think this could've and should've been done w/ JSS BTW).
Matthew you may have been right about the humble pie.

[texafana]

I will forever regret the fact that JSS didn't get a better shot and a studio album with the band. Certainly one of the most curious decisions in the history of my experiences in this business.
I think he would have slayed them....

If Journey went more heavy rockish I would agree. But if Journey wants to do these pop rockers, ballads, etc, they made the better choice vocally. JSS is a rocker and DESERVES to be in a heavier rock band. I'd much rather see JSS fronting his own music, bring on more stuff like Eyes Of Love, Stand Up And Shout, etc. dam good stuff!

[Voyager]

I went to see Journey and my son went with me to see DL. I do know that there were a lot of young people there who were blown away by JSS. He was the talk around the concession stands.

I will forever regret the fact that JSS didn't get a better shot and a studio album with the band. Certainly one of the most curious decisions in the history of my experiences in this business.
I think he would have slayed them....

I was disappointed about JSS leaving Journey too, but as far as record sales go, JSS already collaborated with Neal Schon in Soul Sirkus, and the records didn't sell very well. Neal knows what sells: Journey. Even without Perry, the Arrival album with Augeri sold better than anything Neal has done apart from Journey (although the sales of Arrival were poor compared to the Perry albums).

Will Journey's album sales be better with someone singing who sounds more like Perry? Probably, but I don't see Journey producing anything that will break half-a-million in sales. They'll be lucky to sell 100,000 albums with Arnel, even if he sounds exactly like Perry.

[RocknRoll]

I was disappointed about JSS leaving Journey too, but as far as record sales go, JSS already collaborated with Neal Schon in Soul Sirkus, and the records didn't sell very well. Neal knows what sells: Journey. Even without Perry, the Arrival album with Augeri sold better than anything Neal has done apart from Journey (although the sales of Arrival were poor compared to the Perry albums).

Will Journey's album sales be better with someone singing who sounds more like Perry? Probably, but I don't see Journey producing anything that will break half-a-million in sales. They'll be lucky to sell 100,000 albums with Arnel, even if he sounds exactly like Perry.

I'm going to disagree a bit since the one thing they should get with this album is PROMOTION. I think that was certainly missing with SoulSirkus and lacking on Arrival.

For the record. I'm a huge JSS fan. Saw him first with SoulSirkus and don't want to admit how many times I've seen him live since.

[pedro]

I went to see Journey and my son went with me to see DL. I do know that there were a lot of young people there who were blown away by JSS. He was the talk around the concession stands.

I will forever regret the fact that JSS didn't get a better shot and a studio album with the band. Certainly one of the most curious decisions in the history of my experiences in this business.
I think he would have slayed them....

I was disappointed about JSS leaving Journey too, but as far as record sales go, JSS already collaborated with Neal Schon in Soul Sirkus, and the records didn't sell very well. Neal knows what sells: Journey. Even without Perry, the Arrival album with Augeri sold better than anything Neal has done apart from Journey (although the sales of Arrival were poor compared to the Perry albums).

Will Journey's album sales be better with someone singing who sounds more like Perry? Probably, but I don't see Journey producing anything that will break half-a-million in sales. They'll be lucky to sell 100,000 albums with Arnel, even if he sounds exactly like Perry.

Don't underestimate tha asian market I'm predicting its gonna be big.

[Saint John]

I went to see Journey and my son went with me to see DL. I do know that there were a lot of young people there who were blown away by JSS. He was the talk around the concession stands.

I will forever regret the fact that JSS didn't get a better shot and a studio album with the band. Certainly one of the most curious decisions in the history of my experiences in this business.
I think he would have slayed them....

I was disappointed about JSS leaving Journey too, but as far as record sales go, JSS already collaborated with Neal Schon in Soul Sirkus, and the records didn't sell very well. Neal knows what sells: Journey. Even without Perry, the Arrival album with Augeri sold better than anything Neal has done apart from Journey (although the sales of Arrival were poor compared to the Perry albums).

Will Journey's album sales be better with someone singing who sounds more like Perry? Probably, but I don't see Journey producing anything that will break half-a-million in sales. They'll be lucky to sell 100,000 albums with Arnel, even if he sounds exactly like Perry.

Don't underestimate tha asian market I'm predicting its gonna be big.

While I do agree with you, that will not count as U.S. sales which is what I think the poster was referring to.

[Red13JoePa]

The Asian market ALWAYS underestimates the Western Hemisphere when it comes to sense of entitlement on bonus tracks, so forgive us pedro, if we couldn't give a crap.

[RocknRoll]

The Asian market ALWAYS underestimates the Western Hemisphere when it comes to sense of entitlement on bonus tracks, so forgive us pedro, if we couldn't give a crap.

Didn't CheapTrick actually get recognition here in the states after "Live at Budakon"? So in this case you could say the Asian market made the band. I do agree with you about the bonus tracks, but in this electronic age I would expect that to become a thing of the past.

[squirt1]

I hope they are honest enough to promote the band as Journey with a 4th singer and not play SP's voice again in ads. I also think they should be on a new TV show called- Desparate Bands !

[Red13JoePa]

They've every right to play Perry's voice in ads for concerts, provided they are clips of the studio cuts.

[Deb]

They've every right to play Perry's voice in ads for concerts, provided they are clips of the studio cuts.

No they don't, it's misleading, that's not what you're getting.

[StevePerryHair]

They've every right to play Perry's voice in ads for concerts, provided they are clips of the studio cuts.

Yeah, they have the right, but that's what confuses the people. When they hear an ad for a Journey concert, and hear Steve Perry's voice, then they expect to see Steve Perry in concert. I think it's kinda misleading for the general concert goer if they do that.

[Red13JoePa]

It's not misleading, and I've NEVER heard or seen proof that they've used LIVE clips of perry singing to promote concerts from '98-present.

I head radio commercials with both Augeri and JSS singing live Journey songs.

[conversationpc]

It's not misleading, and I've NEVER heard or seen proof that they've used LIVE clips of perry singing to promote concerts from '98-present.

I head radio commercials with both Augeri and JSS singing live Journey songs.

Same here...The only Perry clips I ever heard to promote a concert were clips from the studio albums.

[StevePerryHair]

It's not misleading, and I've NEVER heard or seen proof that they've used LIVE clips of perry singing to promote concerts from '98-present.

I head radio commercials with both Augeri and JSS singing live Journey songs.

I was only commenting on you saying they have every right to. I don't know if they use them or not either. And it IS misleading if they do. The average concert goer does not go to websites like this to learn who the 6th singer in a band is. If they were to hear Perry advertised, they would expect to hear Perry in concert.

[Red13JoePa]

It's not misleading, and I've NEVER heard or seen proof that they've used LIVE clips of perry singing to promote concerts from '98-present.

I head radio commercials with both Augeri and JSS singing live Journey songs.

Same here...The only Perry clips I ever heard to promote a concert were clips from the studio albums.

Yep, ZERO wrong with that, either, Daveo.
Heads bitch like ninnys about trying trying to replace or even erase perry (because he quit and the band would not allow him to make them quit too), but then bitch like ninny's about studio clips of him singing the songs reminding people what a huge part of Journey he was.
Can't grab it both ways.


Hey, PHair, at this point, almost 10 years out it's buyer beware. Vacation's Over tour perry made them post disclaimers everywhere in concert venues but inside the toilet bowls that HE was not singing in Journey.

[StevePerryHair]

It's not misleading, and I've NEVER heard or seen proof that they've used LIVE clips of perry singing to promote concerts from '98-present.

I head radio commercials with both Augeri and JSS singing live Journey songs.

Same here...The only Perry clips I ever heard to promote a concert were clips from the studio albums.

Yep, ZERO wrong with that, either, Daveo.
Heads bitch like ninnys about trying trying to replace or even erase perry (because he quit and the band would not allow him to make them quit too), but then bitch like ninny's about studio clips of him singing the songs reminding people what a huge part of Journey he was.
Can't grab it both ways.


Hey, PHair, at this point, almost 10 years out it's buyer beware. Vacation's Over tour perry made them post disclaimers everywhere in concert venues but inside the toilet bowls that HE was not singing in Journey.

Yeah Jpa, but the average concert goer may not read that fine print. Do you think they are all that bright? I heard all the dumb comments I could handle in lines at the concerts this year amazed at how confused people were about what was going on with Journey, yet they had that ticket in their hand.

[Red13JoePa]

Yeah Jpa, but the average concert goer may not read that fine print. Do you think they are all that bright? I heard all the dumb comments I could handle in lines at the concerts this year amazed at how confused people were about what was going on with Journey, yet they had that ticket in their hand.

They were all there in 10,000 seat venues ONLY to see perry singing in Journey 11 years after the FTLOSM tour and 8 years after he left Journey?

And if that's the case, then why was perry only able to do 3,000 seat theaters on that tour?

[Deb]

It's not misleading, and I've NEVER heard or seen proof that they've used LIVE clips of perry singing to promote concerts from '98-present.

I head radio commercials with both Augeri and JSS singing live Journey songs.

Same here...The only Perry clips I ever heard to promote a concert were clips from the studio albums.

Yep, ZERO wrong with that, either, Daveo.
Heads bitch like ninnys about trying trying to replace or even erase perry (because he quit and the band would not allow him to make them quit too), but then bitch like ninny's about studio clips of him singing the songs reminding people what a huge part of Journey he was.
Can't grab it both ways.


Hey, PHair, at this point, almost 10 years out it's buyer beware. Vacation's Over tour perry made them post disclaimers everywhere in concert venues but inside the toilet bowls that HE was not singing in Journey.

And so he should, again.

[StevePerryHair]

Yeah Jpa, but the average concert goer may not read that fine print. Do you think they are all that bright? I heard all the dumb comments I could handle in lines at the concerts this year amazed at how confused people were about what was going on with Journey, yet they had that ticket in their hand.

They were all there in 10,000 seat venues ONLY to see perry singing in Journey 11 years after the FTLOSM tour and 8 years after he left Journey?

And if that's the case, then why was perry only able to do 3,000 seat theaters on that tour?

I didn't say they were only there to see Perry. They were there to see Journey. I said is that if they were to hear Perry in an ad, they might expect to see him, because the average concert goer is completely clueless. I am talking about the concerts where Journey headlined in Florida before they went to Europe. Some of the people had tickets in their hands and had no idea what they were there to see.

[Red13JoePa]

Do I didn't say they were only there to see Perry. They were there to see Journey.

Ah.
You have a moot point, then.