Winner And Still Champion-Bickler Singing EYE OF THE TIGER

[Slander]

get a real job, vana

I believe Joe is in the studio! Ya know the music business! Yeah and I think JV runs a restaurant too! Yeah he's a busy guy and I for one he finds the time to share his experiences with Survivor here. Let's welcome his comments. In any event I don't understand the need to come to JJ's defense when it's not warranted. Everyone knows that JJ is an aor legend. What did JV say that got you so pissed of Joe? Seriously. I don't get it.

[Red13JoePa]

I What did JV say that got you so pissed of Joe? Seriously. I don't get it.

Who's one who wrote paragraphs-long rants personally attacking me?

Vana.
I'm not the one mad.

I just said stop hiding behind nameless innuendos and rip Jamison if he wants to.

[Joe Vana]

get a real job, vana

Besides music I own a restaurant and two other highly sucessfull business ventures....anytime you want to crawl out of your little pad and compare w-2's let me know....

Keep going....you should get to 8,500 posts real soon...your family can throw you a party....but, based on your bitterness you display here, I bet not.....

[Red13JoePa]

get a real job, vana

Besides music I own a restaurant and two other highly sucessfull business ventures....anytime you want to crawl out of your little pad and compare w-2's let me know....

Keep going....you should get to 8,500 posts real soon...your family can throw you a party....but, based on your bitterness you display here, I bet not.....

Bitterness?
That's you and your siamese twin here Slander who freak out any time some questions your idol Mr Lawsuits R Us.

If you stood on my tax returns even your fat ass might be able to dunk a basketball.

[Slander]

I What did JV say that got you so pissed of Joe? Seriously. I don't get it.

I just said stop hiding behind nameless innuendos and rip Jamison if he wants to.

Joe who the hell is ripping JJ? I don't understand. I don't see it. I didn't like JJ singing the song in some lounge. I think it's disrespectful to the song. That's not personal. I like JJ but I don't like him prostituting the song.

[Joe Vana]

I What did JV say that got you so pissed of Joe? Seriously. I don't get it.

Who's one who wrote paragraphs-long rants personally attacking me?

Vana.
I'm not the one mad.

I just said stop hiding behind nameless innuendos and rip Jamison if he wants to.

I WOULD NEVER rip Jamo....

He has a right to preform everything he wants to Live....and he can preform under whatever name LEGALLY he has the right to...

I think as a singer in the 80's he was one of the top 5 out there...worldwide....his talents are never to be denied...he was fucking amazing....

His last efforts on Reach did not do it for me.....I did not enjoy his vocals on THAT album...BUT, I will totally give him a 100% of an open mind listen on his new one....you can't always hit a homerun.....this album may amaze me, but if it is all midtempo to ballads I may not dig it....

I will always respect Jamo for his talents....always....

and JoePa...I apologize for the "$#%@%% idiot" comment...that is not in my character....

JV

[Joe Vana]

I What did JV say that got you so pissed of Joe? Seriously. I don't get it.

I just said stop hiding behind nameless innuendos and rip Jamison if he wants to.

Joe who the hell is ripping JJ? I don't understand. I don't see it. I didn't like JJ singing the song in some lounge. I think it's disrespectful to the song. That's not personal. I like JJ but I don't like him prostituting the song.

I don't like ANYBODY prostituing the song....that song means alot to alot of people....it truly is a song that will stand the test of time....

[Red13JoePa]

OK, so Vana/Slander you 2 nitwits are you accusing Jimi Jamison and Jim Peterik of "prostituting" EOTT or not?

[Red13JoePa]

JoePa...I apologize for the "$#%@%% idiot" comment...that is not in my character....

JV

Bah.
No need to Joe.

I said it first

[Eyeof]

guys...you are about to cross the line here...

i don't think we should bash red just because he post a lot here...hell joe, you post a lot here as well...

As for being on the 'inside', it doesn't give you any more right to post your opinion on here than it does Red...

Red, I'm not sure what you were getting at, as he was talking about (I think) people re-recording the song...The great white version is awful...

As far a slander, I think you can cover whatever song you want in a bar...hell you can sing it karaoke if you want....

Do I think JJ's version in a bar is great...not at all...but I'd go hear dave sing the song in a junk yard with an elementary school boys choir backing him...who cares...

You know things are bad when I'm trying to be the peace maker...

[Slander]

You know things are bad when I'm trying to be the peace maker...

Eye I'm with you about Dave singing anywhere. Having said that Dave isn't going to do a schmaltzy version of eye no matter where he sings it. My problem with JJ in the Lounge is that it turns into airport music. Damn it the song deserves better than to be turned into parody or cheese. Gee I'm surprised JJ didn't bust out up up and away in my beautiful balloon or feelings. It makes the song a joke. Just my opinion.

[Red13JoePa]

The only one without Bickler I LIKE is the Extended Versions live one, of course with the full Survivor lineup.

[Joe Vana]

JoePa...I apologize for the "$#%@%% idiot" comment...that is not in my character....

JV

Bah.
No need to Joe.

I said it first

Ok dude....HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!! hahahaha......

JV

[Joe Vana]

OK, so Vana/Slander you 2 nitwits are you accusing Jimi Jamison and Jim Peterik of "prostituting" EOTT or not?

Jamo didn't sing it....but JP has everyright to recut ANY song he wrote 100 times for that matter...Hell, like I said I sang on three of them....

My only point is that if 20 different groups are out playing a song, and recording a song I believe it loses its brand appeal...why go see Survivor when you can see any number of others doing it....

It becomes as generic as Happy Birthday after a while...

It stops being a Survivor tune....and I feel that's where it belongs....

Chevy won't let anybody else do the corvette....

I hope that makes some sense.....

JV

[Slander]

The only one without Bickler I LIKE is the Extended Versions live one, of course with the full Survivor lineup.

Yeah it's not bad. I for one just don't feel the song fits JJ at all. That doesn't discredit his talent by any means. I for one never liked Dave covering The Search Is Over. Having said that the song deserves better than Karokee treatment. I hate the fact the JJ turns into standard lounge singer fare! It's better than that!

[Slander]

As for being on the 'inside', it doesn't give you any more right to post your opinion on here than it does Red...

You are right EYE but JV's opinion is EXPERT opinion. Hell he's connected to FS, JP, and JJ. I have an opinion on how to play quarterback but wouldn't you rather get advice from TOM BRADY?

[Slander]

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Bitterness?
That's you and your siamese twin here Slander who freak out any time some questions your idol Mr Lawsuits R Us.
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Frankie Sullivan has nothing to do with this argument. I am talking about the appropriate treatment of a classic song. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Joe Vana]

As for being on the 'inside', it doesn't give you any more right to post your opinion on here than it does Red...

You are right EYE but JV's opinion is EXPERT opinion. Hell he's connected to FS, JP, and JJ. I have an opinion on how to play quarterback but wouldn't you rather get advice from TOM BRADY?

Hey Slander....Just For the record I don't know Jamo....connected to him in a dozen ways yes, but I don't know him.....

JV

[Slander]

As for being on the 'inside', it doesn't give you any more right to post your opinion on here than it does Red...

You are right EYE but JV's opinion is EXPERT opinion. Hell he's connected to FS, JP, and JJ. I have an opinion on how to play quarterback but wouldn't you rather get advice from TOM BRADY?

Hey Slander....Just For the record I don't know Jamo....connected to him in a dozen ways yes, but I don't know him.....

JV

JV I understand. I meant connected indirectly. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. By the way is your version of EOTT available?

[Joe Vana]

As for being on the 'inside', it doesn't give you any more right to post your opinion on here than it does Red...

You are right EYE but JV's opinion is EXPERT opinion. Hell he's connected to FS, JP, and JJ. I have an opinion on how to play quarterback but wouldn't you rather get advice from TOM BRADY?

Hey Slander....Just For the record I don't know Jamo....connected to him in a dozen ways yes, but I don't know him.....

JV

JV I understand. I meant connected indirectly. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. By the way is your version of EOTT available?

I sang it live often with JP....on Record I am on the World Stage Live disc, and the one on the regular World Stage disc.....Plus an unreleased version with Me, JP and Kevin Max of DC talk....that version was great....Singing with Kevin was great....it was a great great version.....

JV

[axecrew]

God.....I go away for awhile and the world goes to hell.....

I understand your comments about prostituting a song JV......but at the same time can't the same be said about some of the questionable business decisions that have been made regarding EOTT?

I speak specifically about the Starbucks commercial......In my opinion that was an absolute cash grab and that's all it was...and that to me reeks of prostitution!!!!

Not trying to fan the flames,but just stating an opinion,with a question as to what everyone else thinks about what I said.

[Joe Vana]

God.....I go away for awhile and the world goes to hell.....

I understand your comments about prostituting a song JV......but at the same time can't the same be said about some of the questionable business decisions that have been made regarding EOTT?

I speak specifically about the Starbucks commercial......In my opinion that was an absolute cash grab and that's all it was...and that to me reeks of prostitution!!!!

Not trying to fan the flames,but just stating an opinion,with a question as to what everyone else thinks about what I said.

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Hey dude.....

Yea, I agree.....but that one was national exposure.....Hell, probably worldwide exposure.....it meant sales of Tiger on Itunes I am sure....You are right though....it is a tightrope act for sure....whats right, whats wrong....

It comes down to was is right for the song...and does it positively effect the brand Survivor or negatively effect it....

I guess the very hard call goes to the guy who is the caretaker of the band, the brand and it's Legacy....Frankie.....

Not easy stuff I am sure....

JV

[Eyeof]

okay slander...you've crossed the line now...

I HATE Tom Brady....ha....

I do invite you all to tune in this Sunday...4:15 PM est as the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers put Belacheater and pretty boy Tom Brady in their places once and for all...

Roethlesburger's and Iron City Beer for all....

[RockInDetroit]

get a real job, vana

Besides music I own a restaurant and two other highly sucessfull business ventures....anytime you want to crawl out of your little pad and compare w-2's let me know....

Keep going....you should get to 8,500 posts real soon...your family can throw you a party....but, based on your bitterness you display here, I bet not.....

Pretty childish comments Joe. Seriously...you look like a total bonehead.

[Joe Vana]

get a real job, vana

Besides music I own a restaurant and two other highly sucessfull business ventures....anytime you want to crawl out of your little pad and compare w-2's let me know....

Keep going....you should get to 8,500 posts real soon...your family can throw you a party....but, based on your bitterness you display here, I bet not.....

Pretty childish comments Joe. Seriously...you look like a total bonehead.

Read the previous comment.

[Slander]

okay slander...you've crossed the line now...

I HATE Tom Brady....ha....

I do invite you all to tune in this Sunday...4:15 PM est as the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers put Belacheater and pretty boy Tom Brady in their places once and for all...

Roethlesburger's and Iron City Beer for all....

Eye I hate Tom Brady too! I'm a dophins fan but damn Brady can play. Let's raise are glass to a Steelers victory Sunday. Long live the 72 fish!

[Slander]

[quote="axecrew"]I speak specifically about the Starbucks commercial......In my opinion that was an absolute cash grab and that's all it was...and that to me reeks of prostitution!!!!
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Axe our disagreements are well documented but your point here is well taken. I do AGREE however with doing the Starbucks add. First, Starbucks rarely does any television advertising so the EOTT add was a great attention getter. Secondly, Starbucks is the most recognized coffee in the world. They are associated with quality. Third, I do think the commercial does capture the spirit of the song. Fourth there is nothing wrong with a little self-depricating humor. The band did poke some fun at itself without going overboard. YES Starbucks was a cash grab but it was also a rare opportunity to work with one of the most RECOGNIZED BRAND NAMES IN THE WORLD. Hell the commercial was nominated for an emmy! I don't see this as Survivor prostituting themselves as much as taking advantage of an amazing opportunity. People still talk about the add!

[axecrew]

JV... thanks for the reply, I agree with it totally.

Slander....Yes our disagreements are well known on here and I find myself agreeing with you up to a point on this. I realize and agree that Starbucks does very little to no tv advertising,and by doing the ad it created a national, if not worldwide awareness of Survivor(Maybe for the first time for some).
BUT, to me that type of ad is something you do when your career is dead in the water and you are desperate for any kind of publicity. It would be interesting to see if there are any regrets about doing it now. Also they re-wrote the lyrics to fit the commercial ,which means that they were really nothing more than a parody of themselves....think Wierd Al Yankovic. I know of some people who ask me if that was really Survivor or just some actors in the commercial.
And really how much publicity did they really get from it? Yeah, you could try to tie the DWTS appearance into it....but not really,that came a couple of years later.
I guess what it boils down to for me is that they parodied their own song in a tv commercial and that's the sign of a desperate band or artist in my mind. They got little to no return on their investment so to speak. Thus, why I wonder if Frankie and whomever made the decision...now regret it since they really didn't benefit from it in an obvious way.

Also how many new fans did they cultivate from that commercial? They were going for the younger crowd in my opinion and it would be interesting to see what impact it had on album sales,if any.

Just like I think the commercial with the fake band doing Rosanna by Toto is stupid,but at least you know it's not really Toto.

Well just my 2 cents and JV.....I agree it is a tightrope walk to make these decisions as they ultimately affect a band's legacy both good and bad.....maybe Frankie can share some insight with you that you could pass along?

[Slander]

JV... thanks for the reply, I agree with it totally.

Also how many new fans did they cultivate from that commercial? They were going for the younger crowd in my opinion and it would be interesting to see what impact it had on album sales,if any.

Hey axe,

I'm not sure how you can measure this. I know EOTT Is heavially downloaded on I-Tunes. Hell, I know people who have it as their ring tone on their phone. I guess the fact that a company like Starbucks would want Survivor is a testament to the band. It speaks to the quality of the song. The song is still relevant and I think that makes the band relevant. I don't think it became as rediculous as something wierd al would come of with. I think the commercial stayed with the spirit of the song. Who hasn't listend to EOTT to get them out of the sack in the morning. EOTT and Starbucks what a great way to face the day! Anyway axe I enjoy the discussion. I also enjoy your point of view.

[axecrew]

Funny you mention ringtones Slander......I have EOTT as the ringtone for a friend of mine,whenever she calls it rings EOTT. My GF has it for both that friend and me.
Also, I have Summer Nights as the main ringtone on my phone, if someone calls that I haven't designated a ringtone for,it rings Summer Nights.

As for the commercial....yes it would be difficult, at best, to actually measure it's impact. The Weird Al comment was an illustration since I couldn't come up with anything better.
Also, yes it does say something about the staying power of the song that a 90's/2000 hip company would want to use it in any way.

It still would be nice to get the view point of Frankie on whether it was a good thing or not since, I'm sure as one of the principle writers of the song, he had the main veto power within the band.

I just think that if given a choice between a commercial like that or "Dancing" ,then I think "Dancing" would be a better choice. If they were given the choice at the same time.