Should've Been JSS

[RockitRide]

The first few shows were indeed rough for JSS. BGTY was simply awful, I think it was at one of the shows in the Carolinas. I dont remember seeing BGTY in the set anymore after that show.

As the tour went on, and after some needed vocal rest, he got better and better. But I did worry that his voice would end up toasted like SA'a if he stayed with them as I felt he was pushing it singing the journey catalogue.

JSS has the range, but range is not the key factor. Many baritone voices can sing a tenor range, but they cannot, nor should they, sing songs that "sit" in the tenor range. They will ruin their voices and I bet JSS would have falleninto this category. Tenor voices are not "better" then other male voices and singing high is not the measure of a good voice, although everyone has their personal preferences. The quality of the note is what will determine whether or not it is pleasing to the ear. Dimitri Hvotrovski, a Siberian Baritone, is considered by most to have the worlds best voice and I would agree whole-heartedly. I think he has taken the human voice to its limit as far as richness and tone. You can't get tickets to his concerts and he is able to tour the world and play the Met pretty much when he wants to.

Joe Lynn Turner has a wide range, but his voice "rings" no matter where he is singing in his range, but partuclarly above F, as would be expected for most male voices. This ring (or ping), not the note, is what makes his voice so poplular to those who appreciate good singing. I like Arnel because for the most part he is singing in the range that suits his insturment and therefore he sounds "good" to the ear. Its not because he is singing a high C versus a B-flat. I would rather a Journey song drop a half or whole step if it produced a good sound. The more I have learned about singing the less impressed I am with people who sing high for the sake of singing high. There are other factors that will satisfy your ear as much or more than a specific range. I really like Arnel's voice and for a pop singer I haven't heard too many better. I also like the dude that sings with Peterik in Pride of Lions.

[RockitRide]

But for the record, I like JSS long before he was even on the Journey radar. He has a kicking rock voice and rocked out tunes suit him better than some of the Journey songs that don't require the punch he brings to the table. I know the money would have been good for him, but I like his solo stuff, particularly the rockers. When I play his "Gods" DVD for friends they are blown away. He is a dynamic stage performer, but I would like his voice no matter what he does on stage.

[StevePerryHair]

The first few shows were indeed rough for JSS. BGTY was simply awful, I think it was at one of the shows in the Carolinas. I dont remember seeing BGTY in the set anymore after that show.

As the tour went on, and after some needed vocal rest, he got better and better. But I did worry that his voice would end up toasted like SA'a if he stayed with them as I felt he was pushing it singing the journey catalogue.

JSS has the range, but range is not the key factor. Many baritone voices can sing a tenor range, but they cannot, nor should they, sing songs that "sit" in the tenor range. They will ruin their voices and I bet JSS would have falleninto this category. Tenor voices are not "better" then other male voices and singing high is not the measure of a good voice, although everyone has their personal preferences. The quality of the note is what will determine whether or not it is pleasing to the ear. Dimitri Hvotrovski, a Siberian Baritone, is considered by most to have the worlds best voice and I would agree whole-heartedly. I think he has taken the human voice to its limit as far as richness and tone. You can't get tickets to his concerts and he is able to tour the world and play the Met pretty much when he wants to.

Joe Lynn Turner has a wide range, but his voice "rings" no matter where he is singing in his range, but partuclarly above F, as would be expected for most male voices. This ring (or ping), not the note, is what makes his voice so poplular to those who appreciate good singing. I like Arnel because for the most part he is singing in the range that suits his insturment and therefore he sounds "good" to the ear. Its not because he is singing a high C versus a B-flat. I would rather a Journey song drop a half or whole step if it produced a good sound. The more I have learned about singing the less impressed I am with people who sing high for the sake of singing high. There are other factors that will satisfy your ear as much or more than a specific range. I really like Arnel's voice and for a pop singer I haven't heard too many better. I also like the dude that sings with Peterik in Pride of Lions.

JSS is not a baritone. He is a tenor too, just not a high tenor from what I understood.

[RockitRide]

The first few shows were indeed rough for JSS. BGTY was simply awful, I think it was at one of the shows in the Carolinas. I dont remember seeing BGTY in the set anymore after that show.

As the tour went on, and after some needed vocal rest, he got better and better. But I did worry that his voice would end up toasted like SA'a if he stayed with them as I felt he was pushing it singing the journey catalogue.

JSS has the range, but range is not the key factor. Many baritone voices can sing a tenor range, but they cannot, nor should they, sing songs that "sit" in the tenor range. They will ruin their voices and I bet JSS would have falleninto this category. Tenor voices are not "better" then other male voices and singing high is not the measure of a good voice, although everyone has their personal preferences. The quality of the note is what will determine whether or not it is pleasing to the ear. Dimitri Hvotrovski, a Siberian Baritone, is considered by most to have the worlds best voice and I would agree whole-heartedly. I think he has taken the human voice to its limit as far as richness and tone. You can't get tickets to his concerts and he is able to tour the world and play the Met pretty much when he wants to.

Joe Lynn Turner has a wide range, but his voice "rings" no matter where he is singing in his range, but partuclarly above F, as would be expected for most male voices. This ring (or ping), not the note, is what makes his voice so poplular to those who appreciate good singing. I like Arnel because for the most part he is singing in the range that suits his insturment and therefore he sounds "good" to the ear. Its not because he is singing a high C versus a B-flat. I would rather a Journey song drop a half or whole step if it produced a good sound. The more I have learned about singing the less impressed I am with people who sing high for the sake of singing high. There are other factors that will satisfy your ear as much or more than a specific range. I really like Arnel's voice and for a pop singer I haven't heard too many better. I also like the dude that sings with Peterik in Pride of Lions.

JSS is not a baritone. He is a tenor too, just not a high tenor from what I understood.

I was using the baritone / tenor example just to make my point. You are probably correct. There are different tenor voices, just as there are different baritone, bass-baritone and bass voices. I think most of the guys like JSS, JLT, SP, etc. are all great voices and comparing them is pointless. They all stand on their own.

[Deb]

The first few shows were indeed rough for JSS. BGTY was simply awful, I think it was at one of the shows in the Carolinas. I dont remember seeing BGTY in the set anymore after that show.

As the tour went on, and after some needed vocal rest, he got better and better. But I did worry that his voice would end up toasted like SA'a if he stayed with them as I felt he was pushing it singing the journey catalogue.

JSS has the range, but range is not the key factor. Many baritone voices can sing a tenor range, but they cannot, nor should they, sing songs that "sit" in the tenor range. They will ruin their voices and I bet JSS would have falleninto this category. Tenor voices are not "better" then other male voices and singing high is not the measure of a good voice, although everyone has their personal preferences. The quality of the note is what will determine whether or not it is pleasing to the ear. Dimitri Hvotrovski, a Siberian Baritone, is considered by most to have the worlds best voice and I would agree whole-heartedly. I think he has taken the human voice to its limit as far as richness and tone. You can't get tickets to his concerts and he is able to tour the world and play the Met pretty much when he wants to.

Joe Lynn Turner has a wide range, but his voice "rings" no matter where he is singing in his range, but partuclarly above F, as would be expected for most male voices. This ring (or ping), not the note, is what makes his voice so poplular to those who appreciate good singing. I like Arnel because for the most part he is singing in the range that suits his insturment and therefore he sounds "good" to the ear. Its not because he is singing a high C versus a B-flat. I would rather a Journey song drop a half or whole step if it produced a good sound. The more I have learned about singing the less impressed I am with people who sing high for the sake of singing high. There are other factors that will satisfy your ear as much or more than a specific range. I really like Arnel's voice and for a pop singer I haven't heard too many better. I also like the dude that sings with Peterik in Pride of Lions.

My gawd, I couldn't agree more with this post if I tried. It has never been about the range for me, you're right in it is in the quality of the note and the passion in how it is delivered. My favorite song by Perry is Still They Ride, which doesn't even have any real high range........it's all about the soaring vocals and the passion with which the song is delivered.

There is just some singers out there that no matter what range they are singing in you really like their tone/timbre. For me, Eric Martin is another one.

Also, thanks for your insights on different singing levels......interesting.

[Behshad]

I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

I respectfully disagree!
If thats the fuckin case, and they WERE lookin for a fuckin Perry clone, then why didnt they hire Jeremey!?

Also,,,, Jeff was never ever stretching his vocal limits. He was doing what he is best at,,,, adding his touch to the song. He thought maybe, just maybe , the band wanted to freshen up the sounds. If you want them to sound EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago, then play the damn CD!

OMG here we go again.. Everyone is concerned about Journey burning out someone's vocals,but I guess you don't care about Jeff's..or I guess his will last forever.. I like the guy,but damn,give it a rest.. I don't care if the guy is a clone,I would rather have a clone singing Journey songs than someone who is 3 keys lower.. I Don't want them to go in a different direction.. Only people that are Jeff lovers do! Like I said,I like Jeff,his songs are great..But when I listen to Believe in me..I hear Journey with a different guy..I want to hear Arnel sing that song.. Like I said before..If they retired the Journey name and started a new name with Jeff I'm all for it.. The only band ever successful doing that was Toto.. OK,I know I'm gonna get it now..

So if thats the case, you should be very very worried for Arnel then?
I never said Jeff's voice will last forever. All I said was that Jeff found his ways to try to hit the notes without risking his voice.
If all singers were thinking like yourself, then no one in the right mind should even attempt to sing for Journey, cause what if they would get an owie on their vocal chords? You gotta take some chances once in a while, dude...
Bottom line,,, no matter who would sing for Journey there is always a chance for vocal problems down the road. The question is, would you rather hear Journey the same way they sounded 20 years ago, or a more 21st century Journey. I choose the latter, but you win, cause you get to listen to the classics the classic way. Yippie!

[jrnyman28]

I don't care if the guy is a clone,I would rather have a clone singing Journey songs than someone who is 3 keys lower.. I Don't want them to go in a different direction.. Only people that are Jeff lovers do!:

Wrong. I was looking forward to a new direction with Steve A. Remember when Neal said he was ready to rock and they got a guy who could do that? Then what happened? The band got lazy picking up the easy check...

[Journey69]

I don't care if the guy is a clone,I would rather have a clone singing Journey songs than someone who is 3 keys lower.. I Don't want them to go in a different direction.. Only people that are Jeff lovers do!:

Wrong. I was looking forward to a new direction with Steve A. Remember when Neal said he was ready to rock and they got a guy who could do that? Then what happened? The band got lazy picking up the easy check...

I also remember him saying that Arrival was going to be Escape 2000... It was exactly that..Don't even tell me that album didn't rock!! One of my favorites!

[jrnyman28]

I don't care if the guy is a clone,I would rather have a clone singing Journey songs than someone who is 3 keys lower.. I Don't want them to go in a different direction.. Only people that are Jeff lovers do!:

Wrong. I was looking forward to a new direction with Steve A. Remember when Neal said he was ready to rock and they got a guy who could do that? Then what happened? The band got lazy picking up the easy check...

I also remember him saying that Arrival was going to be Escape 2000... It was exactly that..Don't even tell me that album didn't rock!! One of my favorites!

Woulda rocked better if they cut about 4 tracks from it: Cain's ballads!! 2 woulda been enough!

[texafana]

I don't care if the guy is a clone,I would rather have a clone singing Journey songs than someone who is 3 keys lower.. I Don't want them to go in a different direction.. Only people that are Jeff lovers do!:

Wrong. I was looking forward to a new direction with Steve A. Remember when Neal said he was ready to rock and they got a guy who could do that? Then what happened? The band got lazy picking up the easy check...

I also remember him saying that Arrival was going to be Escape 2000... It was exactly that..Don't even tell me that album didn't rock!! One of my favorites!

No doubt, Arrival has some kick ass tunes in it for sure!

[Journey69]

I'm sorry..I like Jeff's stuff..But I liked Augeri with Journey better.. I like the sound of the voice like Rockitrick said.. I like the sound of SP,SA and AP's voice..I like Jeff's alot too..But those guys fit Journey better.. You people should be happy anyhow.. You get Journey and you also get Jeff's music.. 2 albums not 1.. And reguarding the name of this post..It Should not have been Jeff !!

[Granny]

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.

, here in the UK there were no problems at all with his vocals

Yep!! I believe you too, because they went to you right after Florida and he had NO STRUGGLES in Florida.

SPH, those 3 shows were the best ever....not one missed note, not struggling with the high notes, and just awesome on stage. I do agree tho' that the first several shows were a little hard on the ears in 2006, but he had just finished a tour with Talisman and did not have a break when he was just thrown on stage with no preparation at all...no rehearsal...that makes him incredible.

[StevePerryHair]

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.

, here in the UK there were no problems at all with his vocals

Yep!! I believe you too, because they went to you right after Florida and he had NO STRUGGLES in Florida.

SPH, those 3 shows were the best ever....not one missed note, not struggling with the high notes, and just awesome on stage. I do agree tho' that the first several shows were a little hard on the ears in 2006, but he had just finished a tour with Talisman and did not have a break when he was just thrown on stage with no preparation at all...no rehearsal...that makes him incredible.

Yep!! That's what I keep trying to say, but I think some just don't get it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

For me, "Winds of Freedom" is a understated little ballad in the same affected patriotic mode as "Liberty".
No more, no less.
Not every song is gonna be a defining anthem, or become DSB 2007.
As it is, I think its a nice enough tune, and is def. more Journeyesque than say, "Believe" or "Butterfly" or "Pride of the Family" etc.

[Journey69]

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.

, here in the UK there were no problems at all with his vocals

Yep!! I believe you too, because they went to you right after Florida and he had NO STRUGGLES in Florida.

SPH, those 3 shows were the best ever....not one missed note, not struggling with the high notes, and just awesome on stage. I do agree tho' that the first several shows were a little hard on the ears in 2006, but he had just finished a tour with Talisman and did not have a break when he was just thrown on stage with no preparation at all...no rehearsal...that makes him incredible.

Yep!! That's what I keep trying to say, but I think some just don't get it.

That is very impressive.. He's talented,no one is debating that one..But everyone has a right to there opinion and mine is,I want to see them go on with someone that is in Perry's vocal range..Jeff can do it,but its not his natural range..

[Saint John]

I really think Winds Of Freedom was Jeff being "framed." And by that I mean that Cain came up something so intentionally bad that he wanted people to say "See, this guy isn't right for Journey. Just listen to that song...man it sucks!!!" I think Jeff got it up the dirt road with that song. One of the very few times that I'll buy into a conspiracy theory.

[StevePerryHair]

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.

, here in the UK there were no problems at all with his vocals

Yep!! I believe you too, because they went to you right after Florida and he had NO STRUGGLES in Florida.

SPH, those 3 shows were the best ever....not one missed note, not struggling with the high notes, and just awesome on stage. I do agree tho' that the first several shows were a little hard on the ears in 2006, but he had just finished a tour with Talisman and did not have a break when he was just thrown on stage with no preparation at all...no rehearsal...that makes him incredible.

Yep!! That's what I keep trying to say, but I think some just don't get it.

That is very impressive.. He's talented,no one is debating that one..But everyone has a right to there opinion and mine is,I want to see them go on with someone that is in Perry's vocal range..Jeff can do it,but its not his natural range..

Well then I guess it's your lucky year, isn't it.

[RedWingFan]

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

For me, "Winds of Freedom" is a understated little ballad in the same affected patriotic mode as "Liberty".
No more, no less.
Not every song is gonna be a defining anthem, or become DSB 2007.
As it is, I think its a nice enough tune, and is def. more Journeyesque than say, "Believe" or "Butterfly" or "Pride of the Family" etc.

Yeah TNC, lyrically I suppose their similiar. But Perry singing with that accoustic guitar is puts "Liberty" on a whole different level. The vocals on WOF weren't good. I agree with "Believe" and "Butterfly" being crap. Never heard "Pride of the Family" but since we agree on the others I'll take your word for it.

[Behshad]

I really think Winds Of Freedom was Jeff being "framed." And by that I mean that Cain came up something so intentionally bad that he wanted people to say "See, this guy isn't right for Journey. Just listen to that song...man it sucks!!!" I think Jeff got it up the dirt road with that song. One of the very few times that I'll buy into a conspiracy theory.

Totally agree . With one exception. What Dan meant at the end was "One of the very few times that I admit that I buy into conspiracy theories"

[Journey69]

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.

, here in the UK there were no problems at all with his vocals

Yep!! I believe you too, because they went to you right after Florida and he had NO STRUGGLES in Florida.

SPH, those 3 shows were the best ever....not one missed note, not struggling with the high notes, and just awesome on stage. I do agree tho' that the first several shows were a little hard on the ears in 2006, but he had just finished a tour with Talisman and did not have a break when he was just thrown on stage with no preparation at all...no rehearsal...that makes him incredible.

Yep!! That's what I keep trying to say, but I think some just don't get it.

That is very impressive.. He's talented,no one is debating that one..But everyone has a right to there opinion and mine is,I want to see them go on with someone that is in Perry's vocal range..Jeff can do it,but its not his natural range..

Well then I guess it's your lucky year, isn't it.

My lucky ear..or trained ear.. I'm thinking most people are going to say that Jeff's natural range is not Perry's natural range..

[conversationpc]

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

For me, "Winds of Freedom" is a understated little ballad in the same affected patriotic mode as "Liberty".
No more, no less.
Not every song is gonna be a defining anthem, or become DSB 2007.
As it is, I think its a nice enough tune, and is def. more Journeyesque than say, "Believe" or "Butterfly" or "Pride of the Family" etc.

For once, I actually agree with TNC.

[StevePerryHair]

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.

, here in the UK there were no problems at all with his vocals

Yep!! I believe you too, because they went to you right after Florida and he had NO STRUGGLES in Florida.

SPH, those 3 shows were the best ever....not one missed note, not struggling with the high notes, and just awesome on stage. I do agree tho' that the first several shows were a little hard on the ears in 2006, but he had just finished a tour with Talisman and did not have a break when he was just thrown on stage with no preparation at all...no rehearsal...that makes him incredible.

Yep!! That's what I keep trying to say, but I think some just don't get it.

That is very impressive.. He's talented,no one is debating that one..But everyone has a right to there opinion and mine is,I want to see them go on with someone that is in Perry's vocal range..Jeff can do it,but its not his natural range..

Well then I guess it's your lucky year, isn't it.

My lucky ear..or trained ear.. I'm thinking most people are going to say that Jeff's natural range is not Perry's natural range..

And you care WAY more about that than I do.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Only people that are Jeff lovers do! Like I said,I like Jeff,his songs are great..But when I listen to Believe in me..I hear Journey with a different guy..I want to hear Arnel sing that song..

I don't think "Believe in Me" is representative of Jeff in Journey. That track was laid down during his Grey Goose-guzzling Soul Sirkus days. By the time of Journey, he adopted a different vocal regimen, and, (as he teased disbelivers on this forum), his voice indeed went up a few registers.

[Journey69]

Only people that are Jeff lovers do! Like I said,I like Jeff,his songs are great..But when I listen to Believe in me..I hear Journey with a different guy..I want to hear Arnel sing that song..

I don't think "Believe in Me" is representative of Jeff in Journey. That track was laid down during his Grey Goose-guzzling Soul Sirkus days. By the time of Journey, he adopted a different vocal regimen, and, (as he teased disbelivers on this forum), his voice indeed went up a few registers.

Why didn't they use that song on soul sirkus.. Great song..But it totally sounds like a mix of Journey songs.His voice is great..Would love to hear SP,SA or AP sing it..

[Deb]

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

For me, "Winds of Freedom" is a understated little ballad in the same affected patriotic mode as "Liberty".
No more, no less.
Not every song is gonna be a defining anthem, or become DSB 2007.
As it is, I think its a nice enough tune, and is def. more Journeyesque than say, "Believe" or "Butterfly" or "Pride of the Family" etc.

Yeah TNC, lyrically I suppose their similiar. But Perry singing with that accoustic guitar is puts "Liberty" on a whole different level. The vocals on WOF weren't good. I agree with "Believe" and "Butterfly" being crap. Never heard "Pride of the Family" but since we agree on the others I'll take your word for it.

It's funny how we all hear things differently. The vocals were about the only thing I did like about Winds of Freedom. The soaring vocals and music reminded me a lot of the early Journey. I agree with TNC's Liberty comparison. Not impressed with the lyrics though.

Journey69, Believe In Me is on JSS's solo cd Lost In The Translation.

[brywool]

The first few shows were indeed rough for JSS. BGTY was simply awful, I think it was at one of the shows in the Carolinas. I dont remember seeing BGTY in the set anymore after that show.

As the tour went on, and after some needed vocal rest, he got better and better. But I did worry that his voice would end up toasted like SA'a if he stayed with them as I felt he was pushing it singing the journey catalogue.

JSS has the range, but range is not the key factor. Many baritone voices can sing a tenor range, but they cannot, nor should they, sing songs that "sit" in the tenor range. They will ruin their voices and I bet JSS would have falleninto this category. Tenor voices are not "better" then other male voices and singing high is not the measure of a good voice, although everyone has their personal preferences. The quality of the note is what will determine whether or not it is pleasing to the ear. Dimitri Hvotrovski, a Siberian Baritone, is considered by most to have the worlds best voice and I would agree whole-heartedly. I think he has taken the human voice to its limit as far as richness and tone. You can't get tickets to his concerts and he is able to tour the world and play the Met pretty much when he wants to.

Joe Lynn Turner has a wide range, but his voice "rings" no matter where he is singing in his range, but partuclarly above F, as would be expected for most male voices. This ring (or ping), not the note, is what makes his voice so poplular to those who appreciate good singing. I like Arnel because for the most part he is singing in the range that suits his insturment and therefore he sounds "good" to the ear. Its not because he is singing a high C versus a B-flat. I would rather a Journey song drop a half or whole step if it produced a good sound. The more I have learned about singing the less impressed I am with people who sing high for the sake of singing high. There are other factors that will satisfy your ear as much or more than a specific range. I really like Arnel's voice and for a pop singer I haven't heard too many better. I also like the dude that sings with Peterik in Pride of Lions.

My gawd, I couldn't agree more with this post if I tried. It has never been about the range for me, you're right in it is in the quality of the note and the passion in how it is delivered. My favorite song by Perry is Still They Ride, which doesn't even have any real high range........it's all about the soaring vocals and the passion with which the song is delivered.

There is just some singers out there that no matter what range they are singing in you really like their tone/timbre. For me, Eric Martin is another one.

Also, thanks for your insights on different singing levels......interesting.

The quality is tied to the range. If the singer's range doesn't cover the notes, the quality won't be there and it'll be forced.

[StevePerryHair]

Only people that are Jeff lovers do! Like I said,I like Jeff,his songs are great..But when I listen to Believe in me..I hear Journey with a different guy..I want to hear Arnel sing that song..

I don't think "Believe in Me" is representative of Jeff in Journey. That track was laid down during his Grey Goose-guzzling Soul Sirkus days. By the time of Journey, he adopted a different vocal regimen, and, (as he teased disbelivers on this forum), his voice indeed went up a few registers.

Why didn't they use that song on soul sirkus.. Great song..But it totally sounds like a mix of Journey songs.His voice is great..Would love to hear SP,SA or AP sing it..

Wonder why Cain wasn't interested in that song when Jeff was with Journey????

[annie89509]

I just don't get the raving about Arrival. And it is from the same people who say Arrival rocks and TBF puts them to sleep. The 2 albums pretty much have the same ratio of rockers-uptempo-ballads. There was a thread started some time ago, and the songs were listed side by side. It was pretty much a wash between the 2, with Arrival possibly getting a slight edge with 1 or 2 faster-paced songs.

I think it just goes to show that music is highly subjective. It all boils down to how the singer singing those songs affects your ears. SP's voice, whether high or low, gets to me every time, so I love TBF.

If you compare SA's singing on Tall Stores to Arrival, he sounds totally different. Then, listen to Generations. I like his singing on Generations better.

[Deb]

The first few shows were indeed rough for JSS. BGTY was simply awful, I think it was at one of the shows in the Carolinas. I dont remember seeing BGTY in the set anymore after that show.

As the tour went on, and after some needed vocal rest, he got better and better. But I did worry that his voice would end up toasted like SA'a if he stayed with them as I felt he was pushing it singing the journey catalogue.

JSS has the range, but range is not the key factor. Many baritone voices can sing a tenor range, but they cannot, nor should they, sing songs that "sit" in the tenor range. They will ruin their voices and I bet JSS would have falleninto this category. Tenor voices are not "better" then other male voices and singing high is not the measure of a good voice, although everyone has their personal preferences. The quality of the note is what will determine whether or not it is pleasing to the ear. Dimitri Hvotrovski, a Siberian Baritone, is considered by most to have the worlds best voice and I would agree whole-heartedly. I think he has taken the human voice to its limit as far as richness and tone. You can't get tickets to his concerts and he is able to tour the world and play the Met pretty much when he wants to.

Joe Lynn Turner has a wide range, but his voice "rings" no matter where he is singing in his range, but partuclarly above F, as would be expected for most male voices. This ring (or ping), not the note, is what makes his voice so poplular to those who appreciate good singing. I like Arnel because for the most part he is singing in the range that suits his insturment and therefore he sounds "good" to the ear. Its not because he is singing a high C versus a B-flat. I would rather a Journey song drop a half or whole step if it produced a good sound. The more I have learned about singing the less impressed I am with people who sing high for the sake of singing high. There are other factors that will satisfy your ear as much or more than a specific range. I really like Arnel's voice and for a pop singer I haven't heard too many better. I also like the dude that sings with Peterik in Pride of Lions.

My gawd, I couldn't agree more with this post if I tried. It has never been about the range for me, you're right in it is in the quality of the note and the passion in how it is delivered. My favorite song by Perry is Still They Ride, which doesn't even have any real high range........it's all about the soaring vocals and the passion with which the song is delivered.

There is just some singers out there that no matter what range they are singing in you really like their tone/timbre. For me, Eric Martin is another one.

Also, thanks for your insights on different singing levels......interesting.

The quality is tied to the range. If the singer's range doesn't cover the notes, the quality won't be there and it'll be forced.

Not for me it's not. I don't care how high or low a singer can go. My enjoyment lies more in the tone/timbre of a voice.

Wonder why Cain wasn't interested in that song when Jeff was with Journey????

Too ballsy for him?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why didn't they use that song on soul sirkus.. Great song..But it totally sounds like a mix of Journey songs.His voice is great..Would love to hear SP,SA or AP sing it..

Very simple.
Despite what Neal would have us believe at the time, his #1 priority was clearly anything but an Augeri-fronted Journey.
In the meantime, nearly all of his penned material was going directly towards “side projects”, even if the material, such as "Believe in Me", was obviously better suited in Journey.

As if further proof was needed, some of the best tracks on “Generations” (Faith in the Heartland, Out of Harms Way) originated as music written for Sirkus/Planet Us. Neal has confirmed this. Presumably, Cain was only given these table scraps after Jeff had passed.

"Generations" is already sorely lacking A-material, one shudders to imagine how much shittier it almost became.