Speculation on the bands Journey will tour with in 2008?

[donnaplease]

In 2005 Journey was not the laughing stock of the MR world and general music business. The casual fan may go to see them if they continue to advertise their shows using recordings of songs that are 25-30 years old sung by a singer who has been out of the band for 10 years now. However, how desperate must they be to fill the seats if they have to resort to doing that?

Let them advertise a new concert using a recording of Arnel, using clips of him fronting the band, and tell the people that this is not the classic lineup, and see how many seats they fill. Better yet, let's see a BTM sequel covering the past 2-3 years. Of course we won't see either of those things because they are too afraid of not clinging to what SP created for them.

Perhaps we should make it our mission to attend some of these shows to educate the 'casual fan' about the band that used to be so extraordinary but now is nothing but a joke.

[treetopovskaya]

it's going to be interesting that's for sure.

[Arnelian]

"Let them advertise a new concert using a recording of Arnel, using clips of him fronting the band, and tell the people that this is not the classic lineup, and see how many seats they fill. Better yet, let's see a BTM sequel covering the past 2-3 years. Of course we won't see either of those things because they are too afraid of not clinging to what SP created for them. "........donnaplease
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wasn't the announcement made with a video of HIM in just about any major news outlet in america? yes, even FOX NEWS said "a filipino". now, if anyone else, by now, still doesn't know that HIM is a flipino who was discovered in youtube and is now hired to be the next singer for JOURNEY, then those people really do not care much who sings for journey. additionaly, if the new album comes out without arnel's photo on it, i would be very disappointed, and many more of his fans. three months from now ,when you see HIM on the cover, would you just ....fade away?

the level of confidence here is mutual.
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[donnaplease]

"Let them advertise a new concert using a recording of Arnel, using clips of him fronting the band, and tell the people that this is not the classic lineup, and see how many seats they fill. Better yet, let's see a BTM sequel covering the past 2-3 years. Of course we won't see either of those things because they are too afraid of not clinging to what SP created for them. "........donnaplease
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wasn't the announcement made with a video of HIM in just about any major news outlet in america? yes, even FOX NEWS said "a filipino". now, if anyone else, by now, still doesn't know that HIM is a flipino who was discovered in youtube and is now hired to be the next singer for JOURNEY, then those people really do not care much who sings for journey. additionaly, if the new album comes out without arnel's photo on it, i would be very disappointed, and many more of his fans. three months from now ,when you see HIM on the cover, would you just ....fade away?

the level of confidence here is mutual.

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Don't get your point here, but why am I not surprised at that...? There is a big difference in the example I gave and the example you gave. And I think you're wrong.

I have no plans for going anywhere, but we'll see where you are in a year. I bet you won't be in line to attend a Journey concert.

[Journey/Survivor]

Loverboy, anybody? They have a new (pretty damn good, IMO) album out...

They'd fit the bill as one of the opening bands very nicely.

Loverboy? Two has-been acts on the same bill? Nah.

That's why it was good Journey toured with Def Leppard last time around, because Def Lep can still generate a decent crowd. I don't think Journey could have headlined a show with Augeri let alone Arnel.

In the summer of 2005 Def Leppard were playing very small venues and still not selling out. That same summer Journey were selling out the big venues without even having an opening band.

The success of the tour that they did together in 2006 was mostly because of Journey.

[Journey/Survivor]

Seriously, KISS might be a good option. Like em on not, they still draw in a pretty good crowd, and they havent done an official US tour since 03, I believe. Plus, Journey opened some shows for them back in the 70's, so they have a history.

I know..I know...lots of you hate KISS...I'm just sayin'...

Bad English opened some shows for Kiss back in 1990 I believe? So Neal, Jonathan and Deen also have that background with kiss.

[Arnelian]

you believe what you believe and i know what i believe--that they will use arnel's voice to promote their concerts. that his face will be on the cover of future journey music. that they will use his clips of the concert. No need to tell people HIM is not perry--the news is all across major news outlets in the USA, -----=FOX NEWS--is about as hype as you gonna tell the world "hey, we have a new singer, he is not perry and he is asian , and here is his youtube clips"


let's just make it simple and easy. you adore JSS, don't you? did journey ever say "folks, this is not the classic journey line-up, and our singer is really not steve perry" don't you think that is rather silly?

[dcvader]

you believe what you believe and i know what i believe--that they will use arnel's voice to promote their concerts. that his face will be on the cover of future journey music. that they will use his clips of the concert. No need to tell people HIM is not perry--the news is all across major news outlets in the USA, -----=FOX NEWS--is about as hype as you gonna tell the world "hey, we have a new singer, he is not perry and he is asian , and here is his youtube clips"


let's just make it simple and easy. you adore JSS, don't you? did journey ever say "folks, this is not the classic journey line-up, and our singer is really not steve perry" don't you think that is rather silly?

Your posts are a mess. Learn how to use the quote system. WTF are you saying and what is from someone else?

[Arnelian]

yes, somebody care to show me.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Seriously, KISS might be a good option. Like em on not, they still draw in a pretty good crowd, and they havent done an official US tour since 03, I believe. Plus, Journey opened some shows for them back in the 70's, so they have a history.

I know..I know...lots of you hate KISS...I'm just sayin'...

Bad English opened some shows for Kiss back in 1990 I believe? So Neal, Jonathan and Deen also have that background with kiss.

uhhh,, i dont remember that .. kiss toured with slaughter , and faster pussycat...i once spoke to neal.. hes not a big Kiss fan.. put it that way... deen is though...

[RocknRoll]

Paul Stanley was at the HOB show after the Walk of Fame ceremony. I also believe the guys from Europe were there as well.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Paul Stanley was at the HOB show after the Walk of Fame ceremony. I also believe the guys from Europe were there as well.

oh yea.. paul is apparently an admirer of journey... i always wished he would write with neal.. never happened..

[Journey/Survivor]

When I saw The Storm in concert back in the 1991/1992 time period I overheard people who were saying things like "Steve Perry sounded great tonight." And no, those weren't jokes, they really thought it was Steve Perry that was in The Storm, I know because I asked them if they were serious, and they were.

The same exact thing happened when I would go to Journey shows with Steve Augeri singing. There were many, many people at the shows that thought that they were seeing/hearing Steve Perry singing in Journey at those shows.

There will be large groups of people at the shows who are going to think that Arnel is Steve Perry. There are going to be large groups of people who are going to think that Arnel is Steve Augeri. And there are going to be many people who will assume that Arnel is the one and only singer that Journey has ever had, and that he's the singer of all of the hits from the late 70's and the 80's.

When Journey did their first tour with Augeri on vocals they posted signs that said that Perry and Steve Smith were nolonger in
the band, and they still sold out big venues.

Journey are much bigger than just Steve Perry, or just Steve Augeri, or just Jeff Scott Sotto.
There are many people who don't give a damn who the singer is as long as he sounds like or at least similar to what they have always heard on the radio hits. Journey tribute bands always get large crowds with all things considered, even though everyone knows their not going to be seeing/hearing Perry, Schon, Cain, Smith and Valory, and that's because their a fan of the songs.

People who think that Journey are going to crumble because they don't have Perry, Augeri or sotto are only fooling themselves. Obviously if Perry were to rejoin the band it would help sell a lot more tickets, but Journey are going to still do quite well, just as they have been doing since they started touring again in 98.

[donnaplease]

you believe what you believe and i know what i believe--that they will use arnel's voice to promote their concerts. that his face will be on the cover of future journey music. that they will use his clips of the concert. No need to tell people HIM is not perry--the news is all across major news outlets in the USA, -----=FOX NEWS--is about as hype as you gonna tell the world "hey, we have a new singer, he is not perry and he is asian , and here is his youtube clips"


let's just make it simple and easy. you adore JSS, don't you? did journey ever say "folks, this is not the classic journey line-up, and our singer is really not steve perry" don't you think that is rather silly?

OK, I want to know where this Fox News clip is. I'd like to see/hear it. I think you're highly inflating what you may think has occurred in the US. There is no news all across major news outlets in the USA. Unless you're talking about the radio stations that were ridiculing it, that is... I did hear about a few of those.

Yes, I adore JSS. I adore Steve Perry. No, Susie, I don't think it's silly. I know FOR A FACT that Journey had radio ads advertising a Journey concert last February using clips from Steve Perry's vocals. I think that's improper and borderline fraudulent. If this dude is as wonderful as you seem to think he is, then he will shine on his own merits, not those of his predecessor.

I do think you're silly though, does that count?

[Saint John]

I have a LOT of friends that attend Journey concerts EVERY year. I'd bet my frontal lobe that not one of them could tell me that Arnel Pineda is Journey's new singer.....not ONE!!!!!!!!

[Journey/Survivor]

Seriously, KISS might be a good option. Like em on not, they still draw in a pretty good crowd, and they havent done an official US tour since 03, I believe. Plus, Journey opened some shows for them back in the 70's, so they have a history.

I know..I know...lots of you hate KISS...I'm just sayin'...

Bad English opened some shows for Kiss back in 1990 I believe? So Neal, Jonathan and Deen also have that background with kiss.

uhhh,, i dont remember that .. kiss toured with slaughter , and faster pussycat...i once spoke to neal.. hes not a big Kiss fan.. put it that way... deen is though...

Well, Bad English were headlining their own shows in the fall of 89. In 90 they still headlined some of their own shows, but they also opened shows for both (separately) Kiss and Whitesnake. I think that at most they only opened maybe 10 shows for Kiss that year, maybe even less?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

When I saw The Storm in concert back in the 1991/1992 time period I overheard people who were saying things like "Steve Perry sounded great tonight." And no, those weren't jokes, they really thought it was Steve Perry that was in The Storm, I know because I asked them if they were serious, and they were.

The same exact thing happened when I would go to Journey shows with Steve Augeri singing. There were many, many people at the shows that thought that they were seeing/hearing Steve Perry singing in Journey at those shows.

There will be large groups of people at the shows who are going to think that Arnel is Steve Perry. There are going to be large groups of people who are going to think that Arnel is Steve Augeri. And there are going to be many people who will assume that Arnel is the one and only singer that Journey has ever had, and that he's the singer of all of the hits from the late 70's and the 80's.

When Journey did their first tour with Augeri on vocals they posted signs that said that Perry and Steve Smith were nolonger in
the band, and they still sold out big venues.

Journey are much bigger than just Steve Perry, or just Steve Augeri, or just Jeff Scott Sotto.
There are many people who don't give a damn who the singer is as long as he sounds like or at least similar to what they have always heard on the radio hits. Journey tribute bands always get large crowds with all things considered, even though everyone knows their not going to be seeing/hearing Perry, Schon, Cain, Smith and Valory, and that's because their a fan of the songs.

People who think that Journey are going to crumble because they don't have Perry, Augeri or sotto are only fooling themselves. Obviously if Perry were to rejoin the band it would help sell a lot more tickets, but Journey are going to still do quite well, just as they have been doing since they started touring again in 98.

Spot on. Excellent post. As I said in another thread, Journey's going to take a hit from losing the die-hards who know what went on behind the scenes with Augeri/Soto. These die-hards see multiple shows on a tour, buy a lot of gear and promote the band to their friends. But Journey is bigger than those die-hard fans. They'll just get replaced with new die-hards.

[Arnelian]

well, then, just tell them it is not Perry and it is not JSS. simple as that. better yet, tell them it is an asian discovered in youtube, show them a picture of HIM. Let them decide. there are reasons why i am confident of his persona, and i have read other's reasons on the contrary. i will bank his huge success in california--the home state of "the voice". that should be the test!--

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Andrew, have you heard any recent rumblings about who Journey has been looking at to open this tour?

[Journey/Survivor]

I think Survivor would be a great and logical choice to open for Journey. I know, Survivor are not going to be a huge draw on their own anymore, but I know a lot of people who are big Survivor fans who are NOT Journey fans, and I also know a lot of people who are huge fans of both bands. And there are probably a lot of people out there that might not pay to see just Journey or just Survivor, but they might figure that together it would be worth the money to go to the show?

Plus both bands are managed by Irving Azoff's management group.

[Saint John]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

[Phreakboy]

Seriously, KISS might be a good option. Like em on not, they still draw in a pretty good crowd, and they havent done an official US tour since 03, I believe. Plus, Journey opened some shows for them back in the 70's, so they have a history.

I know..I know...lots of you hate KISS...I'm just sayin'...

Bad English opened some shows for Kiss back in 1990 I believe? So Neal, Jonathan and Deen also have that background with kiss.

uhhh,, i dont remember that .. kiss toured with slaughter , and faster pussycat...i once spoke to neal.. hes not a big Kiss fan.. put it that way... deen is though...

Well, Bad English were headlining their own shows in the fall of 89. In 90 they still headlined some of their own shows, but they also opened shows for both (separately) Kiss and Whitesnake. I think that at most they only opened maybe 10 shows for Kiss that year, maybe even less?

According to the book "KISS Alive Forever : The Complete Touring History" Bad English never opened for KISS.
Although Journey did open and play on the same bill 5 times :

May 11th 1975 Boston , Mass Orpheum Theatre, Boston, MA Headliner : Ronson/Hunter w/ KISS, Rush, Journey

June 21st 1975 Music Hall, Cleveland, OH w/ Journey (opening)
Neal Schon of Journey " It was interesting just watching them, that whole thing. They were really great guys. Gene Simmons really fucked my head up when I saw him blowing fire for the first time"

June 22nd 1975 - Charleston Civic Center, Charleston, WV w/ Journey & Montrose (opening)

July 15th 1975 - Cleveland Ohio (Temp Hold Date for recording Alive!) opening act scheduled : Journey

July 20th 1975 - RKO Orpheum Theater, Davenport, IA w/ Journey (two shows that day)(opening)

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

That'd be a really solid bill. If Asia wouldn't work out, I'd like to see Loverboy instead.

[treetopovskaya]

G4 tv reported on journey & the hiring of arnel during the 'attack of the show' show last night. so i guess all the geeks out there are informed. }:CP

the local radio stations here in socal have been talking as well... klos (uncle joe, m&b) & star for sure.

http://www.g4tv.com/

[Arnelian]

as an avid YES fan and all its incarnations, i don't see the possiblity of STEVE HOWE opening for anybody! so forget ASIA. them personalities are very particular with their music first. any yes fans would know.

[Saint John]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

That'd be a really solid bill. If Asia wouldn't work out, I'd like to see Loverboy instead.

Great call. Man, is Foreigner rejuvenated with Kelly. They kicked major ass last year....major ass. Would love to see Loverboy on any Journey card.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

That'd be a really solid bill. If Asia wouldn't work out, I'd like to see Loverboy instead.

Great call. Man, is Foreigner rejuvenated with Kelly. They kicked major ass last year....major ass. Would love to see Loverboy on any Journey card.

You're damn right they kicked ass last year. They were unbelievable. I saw them with Styx from the front rown right before they went on the tour with Def Leppard. Then I saw them at First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre about a week later. They outplayed Styx in Styx' hometown, in my opinion. Were you at the First Midwest Bank show, too?

[Saint John]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

That'd be a really solid bill. If Asia wouldn't work out, I'd like to see Loverboy instead.

Great call. Man, is Foreigner rejuvenated with Kelly. They kicked major ass last year....major ass. Would love to see Loverboy on any Journey card.

You're damn right they kicked ass last year. They were unbelievable. I saw them with Styx from the front rown right before they went on the tour with Def Leppard. Then I saw them at First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre about a week later. They outplayed Styx in Styx' hometown, in my opinion. Were you at the First Midwest Bank show, too?

Yes, I was there. Foreigner was easily the best band of the three...easily. Styx was OK and DL was good, but Foreigner rocked the place.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

That'd be a really solid bill. If Asia wouldn't work out, I'd like to see Loverboy instead.

Great call. Man, is Foreigner rejuvenated with Kelly. They kicked major ass last year....major ass. Would love to see Loverboy on any Journey card.

You're damn right they kicked ass last year. They were unbelievable. I saw them with Styx from the front rown right before they went on the tour with Def Leppard. Then I saw them at First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre about a week later. They outplayed Styx in Styx' hometown, in my opinion. Were you at the First Midwest Bank show, too?

Yes, I was there. Foreigner was easily the best band of the three...easily. Styx was OK and DL was good, but Foreigner rocked the place.

I felt the same way. And they played at 7 pm in daylight to people who were still getting their beers and walking to their seats. Well, when Foreigner got going people were running to their seats, that's for sure. I loved it when Kelly said "we're not playing any of our sappy shit tonight, we're here to rock" (or something like that). And they sure as hell rocked for their 50 minutes. Styx just went through the motions, and then Def Lep was what I remember from the tour with Journey. Nothing new.

How about this summer Loverboy from 7-7:40, Foreigner from 8:00-9:00 and Journey from 9:20-11:00? Sounds like a good night of music to me.

[Saint John]

I'd like to see Journey, Foreigner and Asia as the card.

That'd be a really solid bill. If Asia wouldn't work out, I'd like to see Loverboy instead.

Great call. Man, is Foreigner rejuvenated with Kelly. They kicked major ass last year....major ass. Would love to see Loverboy on any Journey card.

You're damn right they kicked ass last year. They were unbelievable. I saw them with Styx from the front rown right before they went on the tour with Def Leppard. Then I saw them at First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre about a week later. They outplayed Styx in Styx' hometown, in my opinion. Were you at the First Midwest Bank show, too?

Yes, I was there. Foreigner was easily the best band of the three...easily. Styx was OK and DL was good, but Foreigner rocked the place.

I felt the same way. And they played at 7 pm in daylight to people who were still getting their beers and walking to their seats. Well, when Foreigner got going people were running to their seats, that's for sure. I loved it when Kelly said "we're not playing any of our sappy shit tonight, we're here to rock" (or something like that). And they sure as hell rocked for their 50 minutes. Styx just went through the motions, and then Def Lep was what I remember from the tour with Journey. Nothing new.

How about this summer Loverboy from 7-7:40, Foreigner from 8:00-9:00 and Journey from 9:20-11:00? Sounds like a good night of music to me.

Sounds perfect. And it's quite apparent that Kelly wants to rock and not play the softer tunes. That set was 100% energy from start to finish. I'm a HUGE fans of shorter, more intense sets. Everything after their set was intermittent fun. Neither of the bands that followed were able to have any sustained momentum. That Foreigner set was memorable.