What if Arnel can....

[Voyager]

Nail....Something to hide,Sweet and simple,Winds of march...basically all the one's that no one but Perry can nail.. Would that change your mind about Arnel?

Yes, it would change my mind about Arnel. It would make me think he is a better Steve Perry impersonator than Steve Augeri was.

[Voyager]

I'm think most singers just sound like themselves.

True... unless they are specifically chosen because they sound like someone else. This is where the word impersonator comes into play.

[STORY_TELLER]

I don't understand all this he sounds too close to Perry. Good lord, this guy is no where near the same league. Just because he can hit the notes doesn't make him like Perry. He doesn't have the intonation and phrasing that is totally unque to Perry.

Then there is the "X" Factor. Very few people posses it. It is what seperates the good from the TRULY GREAT. In the age of IDOL and it's ilk, we have been sold the false idea that everyone can and should be a star. Because of this, our ideas on talent has been watered down to the low common denominator. Paris Hilton's recording and movie deals. Any questions?

It's about a lot more than hitting high notes, but there are some people, apparently including Frig and Fro, who just don't seem to get that.

It's their loss as far as I'm concerned. They're missing out on the best part of the joy of listening to Perry sing.

Exactly. It was his soulful heartfelt delivery, his unique vocal character, his song writing, his melody creation. Steve Perry was influenced by Sam Cooke, but nobody says he sounds like Sam Cooke or that he's a Sam Cooke clone. Whatever he learned from Sam, he evolved it and came up with a unique sound. That's a rare thing and the mark of a true artist. If Arnel can do likewise, evolve Journey into something more than they were with Perry, then both he and the band will have succeeded in moving forward. If not, they're a nostalgia act and not worthy of artistic respect beyond what they created with Perry.

[jrnyman28]

Steve Perry was influenced by Sam Cooke, but nobody says he sounds like Sam Cooke or that he's a Sam Cooke clone. Whatever he learned from Sam, he evolved it and came up with a unique sound.

Honestly, I have been listening to amore Sam Cooke lately and I am STUNNED by how much Perry sounds like Sam. I knew he was influenced by Sam but damn, you almost COULD call Perry an impersonator. He just applied the sound to a different kind of music...

If Arnel can do likewise, evolve Journey into something more than they were with Perry, then both he and the band will have succeeded in moving forward. If not, they're a nostalgia act and not worthy of artistic respect beyond what they created with Perry.

Very true. But they could have done that with Augeri as well. Instead, Steve was pressured into trying to sound more like Perry than he already somewhat did.

[STORY_TELLER]

Honestly, I have been listening to amore Sam Cooke lately and I am STUNNED by how much Perry sounds like Sam. I knew he was influenced by Sam but damn, you almost COULD call Perry an impersonator. He just applied the sound to a different kind of music...

No one has ever referred to Perry as a Sam Cooke clone. Not even Sam Cooke's own family. (there was an interview with his surviving relatives and Perry was mentioned in this context) Nobody says this about Rod Stewart either and he too was influenced by Cooke. Yet both Perry and Stewart don't sound alike either. Both have unique vocal character and did their own thing with the Cooke stylings.

Very true. But they could have done that with Augeri as well. Instead, Steve was pressured into trying to sound more like Perry than he already somewhat did.

No, I really don't agree with that at all. This is the problem with most fans. They don't look beyond the surface technique, not realizing the thing about Journey's music that touched them and still holds a special place in their heart is more than just the tone of Perry's voice. Perry contributed much more to the songs than his voice. His influence on the band (especially on Neal) went deeper than that. His R&B influences had a large part in shaping the musical direction of the band not to mention the melodies of the songs. It's what gives his vocals "heart". It's a large part of the chemistry which has made their hits an evergreen catalogue.

Augeri's influences came from a rock and roll background, not an R&B background. That's why he's not a soulful singer. Had Augeri come before Perry I don't think Journey would have maintained its fan base any more than Bad English has.

[journeyrock]

They hired somebody that sounds waaaaaay too much like Perry, so truthfully no matter what he sings, it probably won't change my mind.

Imagine that, Journey....of all people....wanting to sound like Journey. I'm with you, the last thing I want when I buy a new Journey CD or see them in concert is for Journey to sound like Journey. Bring back a lead singer that sounds nothing like the classic voice, NOW you're talking!

If you like the shit they're doing then go lap it up, but don't belittle someone else's opinion on it just because it disagrees with yours. It just so happens that quite a lot of us feel the way she does.

Ditto!

[jrnyman28]

No, I really don't agree with that at all. This is the problem with most fans. They seem to think all Perry contributed to the songs was his voice. That's not so. His influence on the band (especially on Neal) went deeper than that. His R&B influences had a large part in shaping the musical direction of the band not to mention the melodies of the songs. It's what gives his vocals "heart". It's a large part of the chemistry which has made their hits an evergreen catalogue.

Augeri's influences came from a rock and roll background, not an R&B background. That's why he's not a soulful singer. Had Augeri come before Perry I don't think Journey would have maintained its fan base any more than Bad English has.

But that is why Journey COULD have moved forward with Augeri and created something different. Instead, they continued making their music and Steve was pressured to sing more like Perry. If Steve had sung in HIS own voice, I think you would have seen a preogression in Journey's sound. Which is the point you were making with Arnel...

[brywool]

No one has ever referred to Perry as a Sam Cooke clone. Not even Sam Cooke's own family. (there was an interview with his surviving relatives and Perry was mentioned in this context) Nobody says this about Rod Stewart either and he too was influenced by Cooke. Yet both Perry and Stewart don't sound alike either. Both have unique vocal character and did their own thing with the Cooke stylings.

Rod sounds NOTHING like Cooke, though he'd love to. Perry totally does. Doesn't matter if anybody's referred to him as a Cooke clone.

[STORY_TELLER]

No, I really don't agree with that at all. This is the problem with most fans. They seem to think all Perry contributed to the songs was his voice. That's not so. His influence on the band (especially on Neal) went deeper than that. His R&B influences had a large part in shaping the musical direction of the band not to mention the melodies of the songs. It's what gives his vocals "heart". It's a large part of the chemistry which has made their hits an evergreen catalogue.

Augeri's influences came from a rock and roll background, not an R&B background. That's why he's not a soulful singer. Had Augeri come before Perry I don't think Journey would have maintained its fan base any more than Bad English has.

But that is why Journey COULD have moved forward with Augeri and created something different. Instead, they continued making their music and Steve was pressured to sing more like Perry. If Steve had sung in HIS own voice, I think you would have seen a preogression in Journey's sound. Which is the point you were making with Arnel...

Progression means moving forward. Augeri was a regression because his talent level was less than Perry's. He didn't have Perry's sophisticated vocal chords nor did he have his talent for originating melodies on Perry's heart felt level. This is what makes the music special, when you become emotionally involved with the music. Without it, it's just short lived hairband music.

Also: Arnel is a stronger vocalist than Augeri ever was.

[jrnyman28]

No one has ever referred to Perry as a Sam Cooke clone. Not even Sam Cooke's own family. (there was an interview with his surviving relatives and Perry was mentioned in this context) Nobody says this about Rod Stewart either and he too was influenced by Cooke. Yet both Perry and Stewart don't sound alike either. Both have unique vocal character and did their own thing with the Cooke stylings.

Rod sounds NOTHING like Cooke, though he'd love to. Perry totally does.

I agree. Rod was INFLUENCED by Sam Cooke, but Perry EMULATES Sam Cooke.

But Storyteller is right that it was never an issue. I still think it has to do with the fact that Perry brought that emulation to a different genre as opposed to the situation with Arnel and Hugo and others: they are bringing a Perry influence to the same genre of music.

[brywool]

No one has ever referred to Perry as a Sam Cooke clone. Not even Sam Cooke's own family. (there was an interview with his surviving relatives and Perry was mentioned in this context) Nobody says this about Rod Stewart either and he too was influenced by Cooke. Yet both Perry and Stewart don't sound alike either. Both have unique vocal character and did their own thing with the Cooke stylings.

Rod sounds NOTHING like Cooke, though he'd love to. Perry totally does.

I agree. Rod was INFLUENCED by Sam Cooke, but Perry EMULATES Sam Cooke.

Winner!

[Deb]

They hired somebody that sounds waaaaaay too much like Perry, so truthfully no matter what he sings, it probably won't change my mind.

Imagine that, Journey....of all people....wanting to sound like Journey. I'm with you, the last thing I want when I buy a new Journey CD or see them in concert is for Journey to sound like Journey. Bring back a lead singer that sounds nothing like the classic voice, NOW you're talking!

If you like the shit they're doing then go lap it up, but don't belittle someone else's opinion on it just because it disagrees with yours. It just so happens that quite a lot of us feel the way she does.

The irony of it all. So many said they didn't like JSS because he didn't sound enough like Journey ie: Perry. Now people are complaining because Arnel sounds too much like Journey ie: Perry!

Twasn't me, I liked the uniqueness JSS brought to the material from the get go. All 3 of my favorite vocalists (SP/JSS/EM) are quite vocally unique/different and I like that. The only similarity they share is the soul/passion in their delivery.........sorry, it's a chick thing.

[journeyrock]

Nail....Something to hide,Sweet and simple,Winds of march...basically all the one's that no one but Perry can nail.. Would that change your mind about Arnel?

It's not important if he can nail Perry's songs (except to the casual fan who's only going to concerts to hear the GH's). If that's their goal, then Journey is what Caveman said he didn't want to be involved with: a nostalgia act.

What's important is if the band, fronted by Arnel, can originate new material with his own voice without copying Perry's unique styling. If the rest of the band can't be themselves and succeed with a singer who is being original without emulating Perry, then they're a joke. They're doing nothing more than riding Perry's talent.

It would be like a modern painter learning how to paint exactly like DaVinci. Would an art buyer want to own the copy or the original?

For this reason, I'm happy they didn't go with Hunsiker. He's talented and I'm sure he's a nice guy, but for the band to be considered legitimate without Perry, they need to stop trying to clone Perry's sound. Otherwise, they're just reinforcing that Journey was Steve Perry.

That's what I've been saying all along. They've have been doing this for quite some time now.....let's see....since Perry left. Like I've said before, Journey's legacy is safe and sound and sits in Perry's corner, no matter what an asshole he may be or anything else. Frig and Fro try to knock him down and all they succeed in doing is build him up. Hence......Oh Sherrie's avatar.

[STORY_TELLER]

No one has ever referred to Perry as a Sam Cooke clone. Not even Sam Cooke's own family. (there was an interview with his surviving relatives and Perry was mentioned in this context) Nobody says this about Rod Stewart either and he too was influenced by Cooke. Yet both Perry and Stewart don't sound alike either. Both have unique vocal character and did their own thing with the Cooke stylings.

Rod sounds NOTHING like Cooke, though he'd love to. Perry totally does.

I agree. Rod was INFLUENCED by Sam Cooke, but Perry EMULATES Sam Cooke.

Winner!

It's subjective so I wouldn't say "winner" as an absolute. What I will say is I disagree and so does Lionel Richie and Sam Cooke's own family. So if I had to go with an opinion, I think their outweighs the average fan.

[jrnyman28]

No one has ever referred to Perry as a Sam Cooke clone. Not even Sam Cooke's own family. (there was an interview with his surviving relatives and Perry was mentioned in this context) Nobody says this about Rod Stewart either and he too was influenced by Cooke. Yet both Perry and Stewart don't sound alike either. Both have unique vocal character and did their own thing with the Cooke stylings.

Rod sounds NOTHING like Cooke, though he'd love to. Perry totally does.

I agree. Rod was INFLUENCED by Sam Cooke, but Perry EMULATES Sam Cooke.

Winner!

It's subjective so I wouldn't say "winner" as an absolute. What I will say is I disagree and so does Lionel Richie and Sam Cooke's own family. So if I had to go with an opinion, I think their outweighs the average fan.

Who you callin' average?!?! JK! It's all fine...

[somethingtohide]

Nail....Something to hide,Sweet and simple,Winds of march...basically all the one's that no one but Perry can nail.. Would that change your mind about Arnel?

I would be impressed with Arnel if I can feel the emotion in the music when he sings.

That's why I so admire Perry. There are other fine vocalist, but I think there are few that can put across the emotion in a song like Perry.

I was happy with JSS singing the classics because i could feel his passion when he sang them even though he is not a Perry clone.

Emoting...I think it's what separates a good singer from a great one.

Oh also, like I've said before if he can sing Lights and it doesn't sound like a parody of Steve Perry then I'll be impressed.

[Deb]

Nail....Something to hide,Sweet and simple,Winds of march...basically all the one's that no one but Perry can nail.. Would that change your mind about Arnel?

I would be impressed with Arnel if I can feel the emotion in the music when he sings.

That's why I so admire Perry. There are other fine vocalist, but I think there are few that can put across the emotion in a song like Perry.

I was happy with JSS singing the classics because i could feel his passion when he sang them even though he is not a Perry clone.

Emoting...I think it's what separates a good singer from a great one.

Ding, ding, ding! Right on the money sir/madam! #1 reason why Steve Perry, Eric Martin and JSS are my favorite singers!

[somethingtohide]

Nail....Something to hide,Sweet and simple,Winds of march...basically all the one's that no one but Perry can nail.. Would that change your mind about Arnel?

I would be impressed with Arnel if I can feel the emotion in the music when he sings.

That's why I so admire Perry. There are other fine vocalist, but I think there are few that can put across the emotion in a song like Perry.

I was happy with JSS singing the classics because i could feel his passion when he sang them even though he is not a Perry clone.

Emoting...I think it's what separates a good singer from a great one.

Ding, ding, ding! Right on the money sir/madam! #1 reason why Steve Perry, Eric Martin and JSS are my favorite singers!

Madam to you. To everyone actually.

[Behshad]

Look Tree, I have nothing personal against you, but I'm getting a bit tired of having my friendship with Jeremey thrown in my face and I'm sure several of his other friends are too. I don't have to explain myself, my choices or my preferences in frontmen to you or anyone else. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like, and I say so. That's it. You don't have to like it and I don't have to explain or apologize for it.

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

[Moon Beam]

The question in que is what if Mr Pineda can bring it on home right?

Good question.

If he can, does or will, then I would eat my words in front of anyone.
For the time being, I'm quite full on the lies I've been fed and the songs I have heard
with the new singer so far.

[RedWingFan]

Look Tree, I have nothing personal against you, but I'm getting a bit tired of having my friendship with Jeremey thrown in my face and I'm sure several of his other friends are too. I don't have to explain myself, my choices or my preferences in frontmen to you or anyone else. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like, and I say so. That's it. You don't have to like it and I don't have to explain or apologize for it.

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

Bravo. Well said Beshad. Like I said awhile ago in another thread. Wait til Arnel does come in here and starts passing out M&G's like candy. He'll make plenty of friends too.

[finalfight]

Look Tree, I have nothing personal against you, but I'm getting a bit tired of having my friendship with Jeremey thrown in my face and I'm sure several of his other friends are too. I don't have to explain myself, my choices or my preferences in frontmen to you or anyone else. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like, and I say so. That's it. You don't have to like it and I don't have to explain or apologize for it.

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

Bravo. Well said Beshad. Like I said awhile ago in another thread. Wait til Arnel does come in here and starts passing out M&G's like candy. He'll make plenty of friends too.

It will be a cold day in hell before another Journey singer is posting on these boards methinks!

[treetopovskaya]

that's exactly the point i was trying to make. }:C) i don't think i was being bitchy in the lest... you haven't seen me bitchy... consider yourselves lucky. }:Cþ

i can hardly wait to meet sherrie & donna so they can call me to my face **** & bitch. doubt that would ever happen in person. what a couple of classy "ladies".

Look Tree, I have nothing personal against you, but I'm getting a bit tired of having my friendship with Jeremey thrown in my face and I'm sure several of his other friends are too. I don't have to explain myself, my choices or my preferences in frontmen to you or anyone else. I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like, and I say so. That's it. You don't have to like it and I don't have to explain or apologize for it.

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

[ohsherrie]

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

Thank you for your respectful post Beshad and let me try and explain this to you the same way I already have to Tree in a PM. This isn't the first time she's done the number about Jer.

If I didn't know Jeremey, hadn't heard his original work, and had never attended one of Frontiers' shows, I might very well feel the same way about him as I do about Arnel, which is exactly the same way I felt about Augeri. I didn't like the way he sang the classics and I didn't think he had the right Frontman persona for Journey just like I don't think Arnel does, it has not one thing to do with his having Asian features and stature as some try to accuse me of.

If Jeremey had gotten the gig and they rerecorded the classics without changing them up as Jeremey suggested to them, then I would be just as pissed at them about it as I am now and would not buy it or listen to it.

If however, they had recorded new music with Jeremey I would indeed have bought it and if they had come within a day's driving distance of my home I would have attended a show because I would be so proud to have our guy in the band.

I have no reason whatsoever to feel about Arnel as I do about Jeremey. I don't like the way he sings as well as I like the way Jeremey sings. I don't think he has the "frontman quality" that Jeremey has. I have no interest whatsoever in hearing him do anything, old or new.

I won't buy any new music because I'm just not interested anymore. I'm still a fan of the Journey that I've always been a fan of, I'm now also a fan of JSS, and I'll remain a fan of Frontiers.

I don't know how much more clearly I can explain this, and like I said, I've already explained this to Tree. She was doing nothing but provoking an argument with that post. I know you had no way of knowing that though.

[treetopovskaya]

i wasn't trying to start an argument. my post wasn't directed at you or one single person. how did i get the "troll" label? }:C\

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

Thank you for your respectful post Beshad and let me try and explain this to you the same way I already have to Tree in a PM. This isn't the first time she's done the number about Jer.

If I didn't know Jeremey, hadn't heard his original work, and had never attended one of Frontiers' shows, I might very well feel the same way about him as I do about Arnel, which is exactly the same way I felt about Augeri. I didn't like the way he sang the classics and I didn't think he had the right Frontman persona for Journey just like I don't think Arnel does, it has not one thing to do with his having Asian features and stature as some try to accuse me of.

If Jeremey had gotten the gig and they rerecorded the classics without changing them up as Jeremey suggested to them, then I would be just as pissed at them about it as I am now and would not buy it or listen to it.

If however, they had recorded new music with Jeremey I would indeed have bought it and if they had come within a day's driving distance of my home I would have attended a show because I would be so proud to have our guy in the band.

I have no reason whatsoever to feel about Arnel as I do about Jeremey. I don't like the way he sings as well as I like the way Jeremey sings. I don't think he has the "frontman quality" that Jeremey has. I have no interest whatsoever in hearing him do anything, old or new.

I won't buy any new music because I'm just not interested anymore. I'm still a fan of the Journey that I've always been a fan of, I'm now also a fan of JSS, and I'll remain a fan of Frontiers.

I don't know how much more clearly I can explain this, and like I said, I've already explained this to Tree. She was doing nothing but provoking an argument with that post. I know you had no way of knowing that though.

[Rick]

[Deb]

You're definately not a troll, Tree. You guys just both have very strong opinions on things, which is cool. And I like that about both of ya, now stop it!

i wasn't trying to start an argument. my post wasn't directed at you or one single person. how did i get the "troll" label? }:C\

ohsherrie,
I always enjoy your posts and agree with you most of the time. I think you may have missunderstood the point tree was trying to make and maybe you took it a bit too personal, which is normal if you saw it from a different view than I did.
Let me try to explain my view the way I saw tree explaining it and you tell me if it makes sense.
This isnt about throwing someone's friendship at your face or not. This is more about how biased we all can be. I am not gonna exclude myself from that either as I'm guilty as well,,, Its just natural,,,its called loyalty.
Let me simply ask you this:
If you were NOT friends with Jeremey and the band had decided to announce Jeremey as their new singer, what would your take be on this issue? Do you think you would support the bands decision!?
You dont have to explain yourself to anyone, cause at the end of the day its YOUR CHOICE if you want to listen to the new Journey or not.
But you have to agree that it does make it easier to say YES to someone, if youre already a friend/fan, at the same time that it does make it tougher for the new guy without any friends(well in Arnel's case his friends dont have access to internet/MR )
I hoped I explained it well enough for you. Keep in mind I am not trying to defend Arnel in anyway, as I disagree with the bands decision nor am I trying to put you down for being friends with Jeremey.

Thank you for your respectful post Beshad and let me try and explain this to you the same way I already have to Tree in a PM. This isn't the first time she's done the number about Jer.

If I didn't know Jeremey, hadn't heard his original work, and had never attended one of Frontiers' shows, I might very well feel the same way about him as I do about Arnel, which is exactly the same way I felt about Augeri. I didn't like the way he sang the classics and I didn't think he had the right Frontman persona for Journey just like I don't think Arnel does, it has not one thing to do with his having Asian features and stature as some try to accuse me of.

If Jeremey had gotten the gig and they rerecorded the classics without changing them up as Jeremey suggested to them, then I would be just as pissed at them about it as I am now and would not buy it or listen to it.

If however, they had recorded new music with Jeremey I would indeed have bought it and if they had come within a day's driving distance of my home I would have attended a show because I would be so proud to have our guy in the band.

I have no reason whatsoever to feel about Arnel as I do about Jeremey. I don't like the way he sings as well as I like the way Jeremey sings. I don't think he has the "frontman quality" that Jeremey has. I have no interest whatsoever in hearing him do anything, old or new.

I won't buy any new music because I'm just not interested anymore. I'm still a fan of the Journey that I've always been a fan of, I'm now also a fan of JSS, and I'll remain a fan of Frontiers.

I don't know how much more clearly I can explain this, and like I said, I've already explained this to Tree. She was doing nothing but provoking an argument with that post. I know you had no way of knowing that though.

[Behshad]

Thank you for your respectful post Beshad and let me try and explain this to you the same way I already have to Tree in a PM. This isn't the first time she's done the number about Jer.

If I didn't know Jeremey, hadn't heard his original work, and had never attended one of Frontiers' shows, I might very well feel the same way about him as I do about Arnel, which is exactly the same way I felt about Augeri. I didn't like the way he sang the classics and I didn't think he had the right Frontman persona for Journey just like I don't think Arnel does, it has not one thing to do with his having Asian features and stature as some try to accuse me of.

If Jeremey had gotten the gig and they rerecorded the classics without changing them up as Jeremey suggested to them, then I would be just as pissed at them about it as I am now and would not buy it or listen to it.

If however, they had recorded new music with Jeremey I would indeed have bought it and if they had come within a day's driving distance of my home I would have attended a show because I would be so proud to have our guy in the band.

I have no reason whatsoever to feel about Arnel as I do about Jeremey. I don't like the way he sings as well as I like the way Jeremey sings. I don't think he has the "frontman quality" that Jeremey has. I have no interest whatsoever in hearing him do anything, old or new.

I won't buy any new music because I'm just not interested anymore. I'm still a fan of the Journey that I've always been a fan of, I'm now also a fan of JSS, and I'll remain a fan of Frontiers.

I don't know how much more clearly I can explain this, and like I said, I've already explained this to Tree. She was doing nothing but provoking an argument with that post. I know you had no way of knowing that though.

Thanks for explaining all that, althoughI pretty much knew that all about you. I didnt want you to have to go through the trouble to explain your reasons for this or that singer either. I know exactly what you mean!
I also dont want to interfere on whats goin on between you and tree, even though I could actually sit back and watch and enjoy a good catfight (as long as Raiderfan tosses me a beer and I bring the popcorn )
I think the main reason I said something was mainly cause I didnt think tree was tryin to put you down because of your friendship with Jeremey. I could be wrong. If I am,, u ladies be my guest.

[treetopovskaya]

i wasn't trying to put anyone down. my post wasn't even directed at sherrie personally. sherrie was asking tex not to belittle someone just because they have a different opinion... that is rich. who just called who a bitch? i have never called anyone here names... only in a joking manner but never serious. that more than anything pisses me off. talk about hypocrisy. both sherrie & donna act like i follow them thread to thread trying to provoke them. that is just not the case. this is a message board... lots of different people with different thoughts & opinions. we can disagree without personal attacks or trying to discredit by insinuating that someone is just a troll.

[texafana]

And my be-little-ing comment had no swear words or personal put downs.