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[STORY_TELLER]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

That "they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld" isn't what most are really upset about. It's HOW he was let go, with no one from the band bothering to contact him personally and let him know. That may or may not be common practice nowadays but it's not right regardless.

I made some changes to my second comment on page 2 but you guys quoted me before my changes could be made. I'll repost my changes here:

"Also, SJ, I think you know it's not an unusual thing for the personal choices of people in the public eye to have an affect on their careers. In fact, it's been the norm since the dawn of show business. Look at Mel Gibson, lol! And while the band are entitled to do what they're doing for business (or any other) reasons, I (and many many others) are just as entitled to feel the way we do for the very reasons I outlined in my previous post. Actions have reactions and truth be known, calling yourself a business person making business decisions doesn't give you a pass on moral behavior.

All that being said, I've always stated I want new music from the band. Music I can support. Neal and Jon are talented but I have no interest in the GH's tour year after year. Not without Perry. Augeri era recorded material did not live up to the Journey standard in my opinion. I never listen to it. Perry era I never get tired of. They have to at least match a TBF quality album if they expect me to buy it and support them. (Although I would love for Neal to put out another Beyond the Thunder or Eye on U solo album. Excellent work from him.)

Thanks for the response-"

PS: I just want to say, NEVER thought I'd agree with conversationpc on anything, but he's right. lol...

[Saint John]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

It's HOW he was let go, with no one from the band bothering to contact him personally and let him know. .

That's how corporations and professionally run businesses let employess go. You get a call one day to come and meet with management and your handed your walking papers. That's how Jeff was let go. And again, if it weren't for this trivial nit-picking bullshit, it would have been something else. When are people going to let this go?

[conversationpc]

That's how corporations and professionally run businesses let employess go. You get a call one day to come and meet with management and your handed your walking papers. That's how Jeff was let go. And again, if it weren't for this trivial nit-picking bullshit, it would have been something else. When are people going to let this go?

Umm...He found out while he was in Europe and not from anyone in the Journey organization, did he not? That's not how businesses typically do it. Besides that, I don't think most people here would disagree that being in a band is an entirely different situation. One of the guys in the band SHOULD have at least given the guy a call, if not waited for him to return and had a sit-down with him.

Anyway, I have let this go. I'm not angry about it like I was before but I still have an opinion on the way things went down.

[NealIsGod]

Hey, Dave. How are you feeling today?

[conversationpc]

Hey, Dave. How are you feeling today?

Popped out that bad boy last night at about 12:45. Sill in a little bit of pain, though, since I tweaked my lower back yesterday, too.

[NealIsGod]

Hey, Dave. How are you feeling today?

Popped out that bad boy last night at about 12:45. Sill in a little bit of pain, though, since I tweaked my lower back yesterday, too.

Saw that right after my post here. Congrats on the bouncing baby stone. Have you named it yet?

[conversationpc]

Congrats on the bouncing baby stone. Have you named it yet?

Well, it's black...How about Black Betty?

[NealIsGod]

Congrats on the bouncing baby stone. Have you named it yet?

Well, it's black...How about Black Betty?

Nah, you gotta go with Oprah.

[StevePerryHair]

That's how corporations and professionally run businesses let employess go. You get a call one day to come and meet with management and your handed your walking papers. That's how Jeff was let go. And again, if it weren't for this trivial nit-picking bullshit, it would have been something else. When are people going to let this go?

Umm...He found out while he was in Europe and not from anyone in the Journey organization, did he not? That's not how businesses typically do it. Besides that, I don't think most people here would disagree that being in a band is an entirely different situation. One of the guys in the band SHOULD have at least given the guy a call, if not waited for him to return and had a sit-down with him.

Anyway, I have let this go. I'm not angry about it like I was before but I still have an opinion on the way things went down.

Yeah, like maybe NEAL who was supposed to be a good "friend", not just band mate. Maybe there just are no friends in rock and roll.

And Dan, are you sure management ever gave him that sit down with his "walking papers" so to speak?? And how long after he found out in Europe did he get these "papers". Just how long did it take for them to FINALLY clue him in on their decision. And when Jeff was in Europe and found out through someone else about his job loss, was he ever able to reach anyone in management or any of the so called "friends" he had in the band??? I think the answer to that may be NO.

[conversationpc]

Congrats on the bouncing baby stone. Have you named it yet?

Well, it's black...How about Black Betty?

Nah, you gotta go with Oprah.

If it had gotten stuck and I would've had to have had surgery, then that would be a great name.

[Rockindeano]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

You spout off with confidence, not knowing that others here know much more than you; You couldn't be more wrong in your ridiculous comments. You have NO idea of what transpired. You see the situation from your basement bedroom window. You buy the cd, buy the concert ticket, and buy the twelve pack, enjoy your time and retreat back into the bedroom and onto MR and spew.

Again, your statement is complete bullshit. My advice to you. Dump your "inside buddy." This guy is force feeding you crap from Neal's pitchfork, in hopes of swaying this board. What you fail to realize and Neal as well, is I still reside here and will never allow that to happen.

[Saint John]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

You spout off with confidence, not knowing that others here know much more than you; You couldn't be more wrong in your ridiculous comments. You have NO idea of what transpired. You see the situation from your basement bedroom window. You buy the cd, buy the concert ticket, and buy the twelve pack, enjoy your time and retreat back into the bedroom and onto MR and spew.

Again, your statement is complete bullshit. My advice to you. Dump your "inside buddy." This guy is force feeding you crap from Neal's pitchfork, in hopes of swaying this board. What you fail to realize and Neal as well, is I still reside here and will never allow that to happen.

What you fail to realize is that I don't care what transpired. You're back, huh? You just quit 10 days ago for the 348 time. Shocked to see you back. But I must say, the excuse you came up with this time is better than the prior 347.

[Rockindeano]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

You spout off with confidence, not knowing that others here know much more than you; You couldn't be more wrong in your ridiculous comments. You have NO idea of what transpired. You see the situation from your basement bedroom window. You buy the cd, buy the concert ticket, and buy the twelve pack, enjoy your time and retreat back into the bedroom and onto MR and spew.

Again, your statement is complete bullshit. My advice to you. Dump your "inside buddy." This guy is force feeding you crap from Neal's pitchfork, in hopes of swaying this board. What you fail to realize and Neal as well, is I still reside here and will never allow that to happen.

What you fail to realize is that I don't care what transpired. You're back, huh? You just quit 10 days ago for the 348 time. Shocked to see you back. But I must say, the excuse you came up with this time is better than the prior 347.

Excuse? My excuse is preventing YOU from glazing this board over with your new found Schon jizz. Ain't happening on my watch.

And Canseco, if you don't care what transpired, don't comment on false happenings.

[Saint John]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

You spout off with confidence, not knowing that others here know much more than you; You couldn't be more wrong in your ridiculous comments. You have NO idea of what transpired. You see the situation from your basement bedroom window. You buy the cd, buy the concert ticket, and buy the twelve pack, enjoy your time and retreat back into the bedroom and onto MR and spew.

Again, your statement is complete bullshit. My advice to you. Dump your "inside buddy." This guy is force feeding you crap from Neal's pitchfork, in hopes of swaying this board. What you fail to realize and Neal as well, is I still reside here and will never allow that to happen.

What you fail to realize is that I don't care what transpired. You're back, huh? You just quit 10 days ago for the 348 time. Shocked to see you back. But I must say, the excuse you came up with this time is better than the prior 347.

Excuse? My excuse is preventing YOU from glazing this board over with your new found Schon jizz. Ain't happening on my watch.

And Canseco, if you don't care what transpired, don't comment on false happenings.

No "new found Schon jizz" on my part. Just same old concert going Dan. I'm not the one that actually thought Neal was his friend. Dude, you were a thorn in their side for a few months. They lured you in, fed you some bullshit and spit you out. They had to be over keeled over laughing each night reflecting in disbelief that you actually think you're on their radar. Dean from Santa Monica, walking around with an unwiped ass and lint in his pockets. You were outsmarted by a guy with 3.5 brain cells. How does that feel? That probably explains all the aggression you have towards them.

PS If I see Neal this summer I'll tell him you said hello.

[Rockindeano]

The "personal choices" they made with Jeff were simple. They publicly thanked him and continued looking for someone else. This is a very common business practice. Just because they didn't have a going away party for him at Disneyworld has people all up in arms. He was paid for every show he performed and he was not slighted in the least bit contractually (that I know of), so all of the belly aching needs to end. The best way to protest is to not attend a show this year. I will be there though. Lastly, I'm much more excited at the prospect of Arnel singing new music. He has the tenor voice the band needs. Neal and Jon have a ton of material that needs vocals and the music was created with that tenor voice in mind. Jeff can't come close to what Arnel can do vocally. Though he's as strong, his voice doesn't have near the range that is Journey's signature sound.

You spout off with confidence, not knowing that others here know much more than you; You couldn't be more wrong in your ridiculous comments. You have NO idea of what transpired. You see the situation from your basement bedroom window. You buy the cd, buy the concert ticket, and buy the twelve pack, enjoy your time and retreat back into the bedroom and onto MR and spew.

Again, your statement is complete bullshit. My advice to you. Dump your "inside buddy." This guy is force feeding you crap from Neal's pitchfork, in hopes of swaying this board. What you fail to realize and Neal as well, is I still reside here and will never allow that to happen.

What you fail to realize is that I don't care what transpired. You're back, huh? You just quit 10 days ago for the 348 time. Shocked to see you back. But I must say, the excuse you came up with this time is better than the prior 347.

Excuse? My excuse is preventing YOU from glazing this board over with your new found Schon jizz. Ain't happening on my watch.

And Canseco, if you don't care what transpired, don't comment on false happenings.

No "new found Schon jizz" on my part. Just same old concert going Dan. I'm not the one that actually thought Neal was his friend. Dude, you were a thorn in their side for a few months. They lured you in, fed you some bullshit and spit you out. They had to be over keeled over laughing each night reflecting in disbelief that you actually think you're on their radar. Dean from Santa Monica, walking around with an unwiped ass and lint in his pockets. You were outsmarted by a guy with 3.5 brain cells. How does that feel? That probably explains all the aggression you have towards them.

PS If I see Neal this summer I'll tell him you said hello.

Hahaha. Ok Jose. If that's what you think. Again, you couldn't be more wrong. Perhaps I should shoot you Neals phone number. Tell them I said to Go to Hell, not hello.

[mikemarrs]

i think if arnel was to walk on water and shit ice cream he would still be a target for this misplaced aggression.number one is he is a foreign singer so that is naturally going to make some leery.number two its like trying to replace a living legend and he is walking into a no win situation.it doesn't matter what he sings because he'll never ever reach perry in terms of his stature or legacy.the band is already got heat for dismissing the last singer which a lot of people cared for so that is another strike in itself.add to that the singer carousel that is taking place and its just a perfect breeding ground for contempt.hell arnel could remake don't be cruel and it hit number one in 120 countries and he is still going to come up short.

[Rockindeano]

i think if arnel was to walk on water and shit ice cream he would still be a target for this misplaced aggression.number one is he is a foreign singer so that is naturally going to make some leery.number two its like trying to replace a living legend and he is walking into a no win situation.it doesn't matter what he sings because he'll never ever reach perry in terms of his stature or legacy.the band is already got heat for dismissing the last singer which a lot of people cared for so that is another strike in itself.add to that the singer carousel that is taking place and its just a perfect breeding ground for contempt.hell arnel could remake don't be cruel and it hit number one in 120 countries and he is still going to come up short.

I am with you on this. I have some friends who don't like him for whatever reason, but that's their call, I have to respect that. I think the guy will be fine in the diction dept and he will sound very good in a real studio. You have to remember that he was singing in a fucking empty grain silo over there in the Phillipines.

[conversationpc]

i think if arnel was to walk on water and shit ice cream he would still be a target for this misplaced aggression.number one is he is a foreign singer so that is naturally going to make some leery.number two its like trying to replace a living legend and he is walking into a no win situation.it doesn't matter what he sings because he'll never ever reach perry in terms of his stature or legacy.the band is already got heat for dismissing the last singer which a lot of people cared for so that is another strike in itself.add to that the singer carousel that is taking place and its just a perfect breeding ground for contempt.hell arnel could remake don't be cruel and it hit number one in 120 countries and he is still going to come up short.

[Saint John]

i think if arnel was to walk on water and shit ice cream he would still be a target for this misplaced aggression.number one is he is a foreign singer so that is naturally going to make some leery.number two its like trying to replace a living legend and he is walking into a no win situation.it doesn't matter what he sings because he'll never ever reach perry in terms of his stature or legacy.the band is already got heat for dismissing the last singer which a lot of people cared for so that is another strike in itself.add to that the singer carousel that is taking place and its just a perfect breeding ground for contempt.hell arnel could remake don't be cruel and it hit number one in 120 countries and he is still going to come up short.

I am with you on this. I have some friends who don't like him for whatever reason, but that's their call, I have to respect that. I think the guy will be fine in the diction dept and he will sound very good in a real studio. You have to remember that he was singing in a fucking empty grain silo over there in the Phillipines.

Lol...being a little hard on Brad's Bistro aren't you? And yes, that is the name of the place. I agree that a good studio, Kevin Shirley and first rate musicians will make a huge difference.

[Rockindeano]

i think if arnel was to walk on water and shit ice cream he would still be a target for this misplaced aggression

Dude, I do all this and still have mud slinged at me. Canseco threw a laser to get me tagged out at the plate last hour.

[strangegrey]

Oh for fuck's sake, these discussions are absolutely rediculous.

Who gives a fuck what this joke of a band does. Anyone that's embracing this new lineup, irrespective of the ability of the singer, is probably making good use of recreational chemicals.

You people want to use the car analogy...I like the motorcycle analogy, as Fucka and Fro used the very same analogy in the Time3 booklet.


With Perry, they were a souped up Harley, with every bell and whistle of Harley Davidson gear, the bike is a work of art...one of a kind.....maintained meticulously, chrome polished ever day, etc.

When they got augeri, the Harley was locked away in Perry's garage...every so often, Perry lets you look at it from a distance. To make up for it, the band bought a yamaha or honda roadster bike so the same sound and general look of the original one of a kind harley. Anyone can buy this same bike in the store....but the band doesn't want you to figure that out. With JSS, they simply upgraded the engine, added a little power....as the band fired their maintenance manager and the original motor blew out when they forgot to change the oil after 30,000 miles.


With Arnel, the band has decided to buy a used Moped from vietnam. The bike has spent 10+ years weaving in and out of Hanoi hookers yelling "Love you Long Time"....and now the band hopes to fool the audience into thinking that the original harley is really this beat to shit dusty moped....that may still get you from point A to B on 2 wheels....but if you think that they're the same, you're smoking crack.


The fact of the matter is that 95% of you out there want to see that original Harley ride again. For whatever reason, you're realistic, you know the truth....and know all you'll get is maybe a few more glimpses of it from the street in front of Perry's house. So you've resigned yourself to the fact that you're ok with a honda roadster.....but NOT a moped.

The other 5% of you (or 1%, really, each posting under 5 different usernames each) are psychotic (need to be committed) idiots without any reason or justification for your hopes regarding this stupid piece of shit moped....other than the fact that you have nothing else worthy in your lives to give you fulfullment....That's a sad, cold hard truth. To expect or want anything from this moped other than sick gas fumes is simply avoiding the truth...


Really...

[Rockindeano]

Asshole Frank!

I had the baby in my arms, sleeping. I laughed so hard he woke up, as I was shaking with chuckles.

Wyatt said for me to call you a cocksucker.

[strangegrey]

Asshole Frank!

I had the baby in my arms, sleeping. I laughed so hard he woke up, as I was shaking with chuckles.

Wyatt said for me to call you a cocksucker.

Sorry, Earp!

BTW, I was going to go, WTF are you doing up at 7:00am PST....but I realize that with a baby at home, time has no meaning...

[AR]

Strange Medicine, you can ask those questions you had anytime you want.

I will give my answers sans any jokes - straight and to the point. I would ask the baiters to refrain from interjecting. S.M. wanted to ask me some questions in public and I'm more than willing to give my honest answers or opinions.

[Lula]

BACKWARD COUNTRY? how about a backward maturity? demeaning anybody for no apparent reason is not a mark of a gentleman with a college degree., and using fowl language is not an idication of someone who belongs to a civilized society. so a backward country with backward society shows more class by humbleness in triumph than by showing arrogance in defeat and jealousy. anybody who beleives in that kind of philosophy ought to do some introspection.

Oustanding literary skills, but what the fuck are you talking about/referring to?

LOL, i wouldn't say outstanding.... i too am left with WTF???

[strangegrey]

BACKWARD COUNTRY? how about a backward maturity? demeaning anybody for no apparent reason is not a mark of a gentleman with a college degree., and using fowl language is not an idication of someone who belongs to a civilized society. so a backward country with backward society shows more class by humbleness in triumph than by showing arrogance in defeat and jealousy. anybody who beleives in that kind of philosophy ought to do some introspection.

Oustanding literary skills, but what the fuck are you talking about/referring to?

LOL, i wouldn't say outstanding.... i too am left with WTF???

I would agree there.

Sobihan may have referenced a thesaurus for this latest post, but it doesn't mean the dumb bitch knows how to use it.

[Arnelian]

strangegrey, if i tell you that sobihan actually meant 'sybian', would you like to go for a ride?

[Rockindeano]

strangegrey, if i tell you that sobihan actually meant 'sybian', would you like to go for a ride?

Hi Susie.

You know what the Sybian is?

[Blueskies]

strangegrey, if i tell you that sobihan actually meant 'sybian', would you like to go for a ride?

Uhh..you made a spelling error....don't you mean sybil?

[AR]

strangegrey, if i tell you that sobihan actually meant 'sybian', would you like to go for a ride?

Hi Susie.

You know what the Sybian is?