Holiday Wishes for all Republicans

[Rockindeano]

How you feel by the way? Send me your left over Vikes.

Feeling much better now that that little beast is finally ejected....and the vikes are all mine.

Yeah I figured I couldn't get a rich conservative to help out a poor Dem. Cocksucker!

[conversationpc]

How you feel by the way? Send me your left over Vikes.

Feeling much better now that that little beast is finally ejected....and the vikes are all mine.

Yeah I figured I couldn't get a rich conservative to help out a poor Dem. Cocksucker!

Rich?

[donnaplease]

Thanks Dean, I'm fairly flattered by your compliment. I don't agree with everything that ANYONE in our federal government does. However, I respect the position of the president, and feel like there are too many people who have lost that respect. Maybe it's kinda like our jobs. We may hate our boss, think he/she is the biggest douchbag around, but we shouldn't go around publicly trashing him/her, or we wouldn't have a job long, would we? I think we shouldn't be trashing the guy, especially in the exaggerated way that the far left does over things that are not facts (and there are far too many people around stating things as facts that clearly aren't). It makes our country look bad.

I think it's funny that we can like and agree with each other so much on some topics and be so totally polar opposite on others. I hate talking politics and religion here, it's very upsetting...

Donna, thanks for making my point. He isn't our boss, we are his boss. People, a vast majority have lost respect or flatly do not respect him. And in case you haven't realized lately, our country does look bad.

And you have made mine. Our country may look bad to you, but not to me. I happen to recognize the failures AND the successes. And I don't point the finger in only one direction for either one of them. Many, if not most of those people that you refer to never respected the guy in the first place, not because of anything he has or hasn't done, but because he is a republican. And that's just wrong to me. I feel the same about democrats, I wouldn't want to judge them based on their party of preference alone. I don't belong to a political party, so I tend to gratitate toward who I think will do the right thing for me and my family.

Here's an example: a few years ago, there was an article in some magazine (Time, I think) about an Iraqi woman. She had been an attorney over there, and once she defended a woman that Uday Hussein had 'had his way with'. After having the audacity to defend this woman against him, this attorney was kidnapped, jailed, beaten, raped, you name it, they did it. It was a horrific story. I had been debating with my father (a big-time democrat) about Iraq previously. When I showed him the article, he read it and became enraged saying it was all a made up lie by Bush to try to get sympathy for the war. I was flabbergasted! It's that kind of thing that infuriates me, and unfortunately it's the kind of thing we hear from people like Janeane Garofalo all too often. When I hear/read stuff like that, it makes me even more supportive of the republican side, because I don't believe they resort to tactics like that.

When people can realize that this is a collective effort on the parts of both sides, and work for the greater good, and stop trashing people just for the sake of trashing, only then will our country be as great as it can be. Sadly, I don't see that happening because of radicals on both sides. And with that, I'm out.

[conversationpc]

Here's an example: a few years ago, there was an article in some magazine (Time, I think) about an Iraqi woman. She had been an attorney over there, and once she defended a woman that Uday Hussein had 'had his way with'. After having the audacity to defend this woman against him, this attorney was kidnapped, jailed, beaten, raped, you name it, they did it. It was a horrific story. I had been debating with my father (a big-time democrat) about Iraq previously. When I showed him the article, he read it and became enraged saying it was all a made up lie by Bush to try to get sympathy for the war. I was flabbergasted! It's that kind of thing that infuriates me, and unfortunately it's the kind of thing we hear from people like Janeane Garofalo all too often. When I hear/read stuff like that, it makes me even more supportive of the republican side, because I don't believe they resort to tactics like that.

Unfortunately, this is a sure sign of a BDS sufferer and there are even people on this board that exhibit the symptoms.

[Brigadier]

Hey Deano, here is a novel idea. Try making an argument WITHOUT the name calling, if you can.

[wildone]

Hey Deano, here is a novel idea. Try making an argument WITHOUT the name calling, if you can.

Come on now Deano's post are...ummm...lets just say colorful!!

[scarygirl]

I'm more of a Neal Bortz fan myself.

Boortz is great. He blasts the idiots on both sides nearly equally.

Yep. He's prettty much where I am right now, politically.

He does tick me off sometimes, though. He's a little TOO stubborn and unwilling to listen to other points of view at times.

Oh most definately. Mostly, I think he's funny. Despite what others might think, just because I listen to somebody or say that I am politically closer to the views of a particular person doesn't mean that I mindlessly agree with everything that person believes. Prime example, FAIR TAX. He is very much for it.
I've read the book, studied it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it doesn't do away with the TAX system, just throws it up in a different form.

With the taxes on individual goods vs income, supposedly the taxes are already built in, the FAIR tax says that the cost of, for example, a pair of socks will be the same tomorrow as they are today. The price will not go up. But couldn't they out of wanting more profits just add that 26 percent tax plus the normal cost anyway? Or would the free market competition take over thus lowering the prices due to demand. Of coure, we're supposed to get a check back once a a month covering the taxes we paid on necessary goods.

Then there is our income. Under the FAIR tax , we will supposedly get all our paycheck since income tax won't be taken out, but couldn't an employer decide to keep what would have normally gone to taxes for himself? Thus leaving us stuck with our after tax pay plus trying to survive a 26 percent tax per item?

Conversationpc, ANY THOUGHTS? Anyone else feel free to chime in too.

[conversationpc]

Oh most definately. Mostly, I think he's funny. Despite what others might think, just because I listen to somebody or say that I am politically closer to the views of a particular person doesn't mean that I mindlessly agree with everything that person believes. Prime example, FAIR TAX. He is very much for it.
I've read the book, studied it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it doesn't do away with the TAX system, just throws it up in a different form.

I'm a huge supporter of the fair tax. It's a much better system than what we have now and better than any other major plan out there. It isn't meant to get rid of taxes. We have to pay for the government, infrastructure, military, etc., somehow.

With the taxes on individual goods vs income, supposedly the taxes are already built in, the FAIR tax says that the cost of, for example, a pair of socks will be the same tomorrow as they are today. The price will not go up. But couldn't they out of wanting more profits just add that 26 percent tax plus the normal cost anyway? Or would the free market competition take over thus lowering the prices due to demand.

That's my understanding. I'm sure there are some who would not lower the prices initially but with others who do, it would certainly put pressure on the others to compete or they will end up going out of business.

Of coure, we're supposed to get a check back once a a month covering the taxes we paid on necessary goods.

The montly prebate would effectively eliminate all taxes for the poorest Americans, something that isn't done with any other tax plan out there that I'm aware of.

Then there is our income. Under the FAIR tax , we will supposedly get all our paycheck since income tax won't be taken out, but couldn't an employer decide to keep what would have normally gone to taxes for himself? Thus leaving us stuck with our after tax pay plus trying to survive a 26 percent tax per item?

I doubt it or they would have either riots or extremely unhappy and unproductive employees on their hands. No serious business wants that.

[scarygirl]

Oh most definately. Mostly, I think he's funny. Despite what others might think, just because I listen to somebody or say that I am politically closer to the views of a particular person doesn't mean that I mindlessly agree with everything that person believes. Prime example, FAIR TAX. He is very much for it.
I've read the book, studied it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it doesn't do away with the TAX system, just throws it up in a different form.

I'm a huge supporter of the fair tax. It's a much better system than what we have now and better than any other major plan out there. It isn't meant to get rid of taxes. We have to pay for the government, infrastructure, military, etc., somehow.

With the taxes on individual goods vs income, supposedly the taxes are already built in, the FAIR tax says that the cost of, for example, a pair of socks will be the same tomorrow as they are today. The price will not go up. But couldn't they out of wanting more profits just add that 26 percent tax plus the normal cost anyway? Or would the free market competition take over thus lowering the prices due to demand.

That's my understanding. I'm sure there are some who would not lower the prices initially but with others who do, it would certainly put pressure on the others to compete or they will end up going out of business.

Of coure, we're supposed to get a check back once a a month covering the taxes we paid on necessary goods.

The montly prebate would effectively eliminate all taxes for the poorest Americans, something that isn't done with any other tax plan out there that I'm aware of.

Then there is our income. Under the FAIR tax , we will supposedly get all our paycheck since income tax won't be taken out, but couldn't an employer decide to keep what would have normally gone to taxes for himself? Thus leaving us stuck with our after tax pay plus trying to survive a 26 percent tax per item?

I doubt it or they would have either riots or extremely unhappy and unproductive employees on their hands. No serious business wants that.

You are probably right. LOL. If the FAIR Tax works the way it's supposed to, I would be one very happy camper. Tired of everyone taking my money.

[Lula]

Dave- what does "BDS" mean?

[conversationpc]

Dave- what does "BDS" mean?

Bush Derangement Syndrome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Derangement_Syndrome

Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) is a pejorative political term coined by the American conservative political columnist Charles Krauthammer in a 2003 column. The term has been used in newspaper columns and editorials, on talk radio, by commentators on FOX News, and other mainstream press, including The Washington Post, the New York Times and in the conservative and liberal blogosphere.

The term BDS refers to a purported tendency by some American liberals to blame President George W. Bush for virtually every ill in the world. It also purportedly refers to opposing a position advocated by the President just because he supports it, regardless of the position's merits.

Krauthammer, a former psychiatrist who earned his M.D. from Harvard Medical School, defined BDS as "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency—nay—the very existence of George W. Bush". While Krauthammer's column was somewhat tongue-in-cheek (eg., "What is worrying epidemiologists about the Dean incident, however, is that heretofore no case had been reported in Vermont, or any other dairy state"), the term reflects a belief that some criticisms of President Bush—for example, a description of President Bush as the greatest current threat to American lives—are of emotional origins rather than based on facts or logic.

[Lula]

LOL, thank you sir. i actually do not suffer from this, surprised?

[scarygirl]

Dave- what does "BDS" mean?

I'm glad you asked for me.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Deano, here is a novel idea. Try making an argument WITHOUT the name calling, if you can.

Hey Brigadier, here is a novel idea. Go fuck yourself you two bit cocksucker.

[scarygirl]

Hey Deano, here is a novel idea. Try making an argument WITHOUT the name calling, if you can.

Hey Brigadier, here is a novel idea. Go fuck yourself you two bit cocksucker.

Why do you feel the need to say such things? They are neither funny nor novel.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Deano, here is a novel idea. Try making an argument WITHOUT the name calling, if you can.

Hey Brigadier, here is a novel idea. Go fuck yourself you two bit cocksucker.

Why do you feel the need to say such things? They are neither funny nor novel.

Oh forgive me Princess. I see a republican buddy of yours rolls through and he gets favoritism. I see now. Let me rephrase my comment.

"Hey Brigadier, here is a novel idea. I was wrong, on all accounts and everything, and I mean everything political. I have no brain, cannot think for myself and will vote republican throughout the entire ballot next November. W all the way!"


Better?

[scarygirl]

Hey Deano, here is a novel idea. Try making an argument WITHOUT the name calling, if you can.

Hey Brigadier, here is a novel idea. Go fuck yourself you two bit cocksucker.

Why do you feel the need to say such things? They are neither funny nor novel.

Oh forgive me Princess. I see a republican buddy of yours rolls through and he gets favoritism. I see now. Let me rephrase my comment.

"Hey Brigadier, here is a novel idea. I was wrong, on all accounts and everything, and I mean everything political. I have no brain, cannot think for myself and will vote republican throughout the entire ballot next November. W all the way!"


Better?

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think the way they do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real world (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. And all because of what? Because I put a thread entitled "Please Behave," where I voiced my concern because of the things that had been going that Andrew was going to pull down this board for good. That I didn't want to lose this place and the friends that I had made. So again, who's throwing favortism?

[Rockindeano]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

[scarygirl]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

Deano. I wasn't talking about you. I know you haven't. I wasn't accusing you. Just bringing up my own experience with others to show the name calling goes both ways.

I think beneath the "cocksucker" talk their is a nice personable man there.

[Rockindeano]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

Deano. I wasn't talking about you. I know you haven't. I wasn't accusing you. Just bringing up my own experience with others to show the name calling goes both ways.

I only name call to dudes, except the fat gross ugly bitches like HOTS and PROPERRY, or Matthew, is basically a woman, but I still try to do it in fun. I call Beshad a camel licking twat sucker daily. He seems to love it!

[scarygirl]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

Deano. I wasn't talking about you. I know you haven't. I wasn't accusing you. Just bringing up my own experience with others to show the name calling goes both ways.

I only name call to dude, except the fat gross ugly bitches like HOTS and PROPERRY, but I still try to do it in fun. I call Beshad a camel licking twat sucker daily. He seems to love it!

I will admit a lot of what you say makes me laugh.

[Rockindeano]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

Deano. I wasn't talking about you. I know you haven't. I wasn't accusing you. Just bringing up my own experience with others to show the name calling goes both ways.

I only name call to dude, except the fat gross ugly bitches like HOTS and PROPERRY, but I still try to do it in fun. I call Beshad a camel licking twat sucker daily. He seems to love it!

I will admit a lot of what you say makes me laugh.

There you go. See, like I tried to emphasize, it's not personal, these political debates. DCVader, AR, Dave, RF, and others I DO like very much, as I like you very much also.

[scarygirl]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

Deano. I wasn't talking about you. I know you haven't. I wasn't accusing you. Just bringing up my own experience with others to show the name calling goes both ways.

I only name call to dude, except the fat gross ugly bitches like HOTS and PROPERRY, but I still try to do it in fun. I call Beshad a camel licking twat sucker daily. He seems to love it!

I will admit a lot of what you say makes me laugh.

There you go. See, like I tried to emphasize, it's not personal, these political debates. DCVader, AR, Dave, RF, and others I DO like very much, as I like you very much also.

Lord, somebody hand me a tissue! I don't know if you saw it, but I had edited one of my other posts to include that despite the "cocksucker" talk, I think beneath that there is a very nice personable man.

[Rockindeano]

No, not favortism, just an honest question. But if you want to talk about favortism, my feelings on certain topics here have been attacked as nothing more than name calling by people on the other side of aisle just beause I don't think they way do. I have been called a trouble maker, been told to calm down, referred to as being high and mighty, accused of not knowing anything about the real word (though if you knew anything about my private history you'd know that is not the case), called stupid, had things brought up that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant. So again, who's throwing favortism?

Did I say any of these things to you? If so, I will be surprised. I have always liked you and IIRC, have never backhanded you or called you a name.

Deano. I wasn't talking about you. I know you haven't. I wasn't accusing you. Just bringing up my own experience with others to show the name calling goes both ways.

I only name call to dude, except the fat gross ugly bitches like HOTS and PROPERRY, but I still try to do it in fun. I call Beshad a camel licking twat sucker daily. He seems to love it!

I will admit a lot of what you say makes me laugh.

There you go. See, like I tried to emphasize, it's not personal, these political debates. DCVader, AR, Dave, RF, and others I DO like very much, as I like you very much also.

Lord, somebody hand me a tissue! I don't know if you saw it, but I had edited one of my other posts to include that despite the "cocksucker" talk, I think beneath that there is a very nice personable man.

I am a nice man, but I just love using that word. It just rolls off my tongue like peanut butter.

[bluejeangirl76]

and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant.

And you have absolutely never ever posted backhanded shots toward people, have you?

[gtrplr1960]

I certainly disagree with your views but I respect the fact that you have the right to be wrong. This right is guaranteed to you by everyone who has worn a military uniform. That includes me as well. You are welcome for that right.

[Rockindeano]

I certainly disagree with your views but I respect the fact that you have the right to be wrong. This right is guaranteed to you by everyone who has worn a military uniform. That includes me as well. You are welcome for that right.

Who are you referring to?

By the way, you are incorrect in that people's rights are guaranteed by those wearing the uniform. An American citizen has rights guaranteed to he or she by being born on US soil. Military has nothing to do with it, nothing at all. I think what you meant to say is the military continues to enforce the right to have rights. Oh, and if you were referring to me, I did serve, I did wear the uniform, and I am a proud Democrat. Just because a person isn't a right wing nutjob doesn't mean he or she hasn't served. In fact, I would dare say most of America's leaders who did wear the uniform are probably Dems.

Oh, and if I am so wrong, why do my views agree with 65% of the country? I am being generous with giving you and W 35% by the way.

[bluejeangirl76]

Oh, and if you were referring to me, I did serve, I did wear the uniform, and I am a proud Democrat. Just because a person isn't a right wing nutjob doesn't mean he or she hasn't served. In fact, I would dare say most of America's leaders who did wear the uniform are probably Dems.

I'd really love to see actual numbers on that, because I don't doubt that you're right about that.

[Rockindeano]

Oh, and if you were referring to me, I did serve, I did wear the uniform, and I am a proud Democrat. Just because a person isn't a right wing nutjob doesn't mean he or she hasn't served. In fact, I would dare say most of America's leaders who did wear the uniform are probably Dems.

I'd really love to see actual numbers on that, because I don't doubt that you're right about that.

Ok, what the Hell.

In the 109th Congress:

House-
12 GOP
10 Dems

Senate-
15 GOP
13 Dems

White House-

members with service: 17.6%
members without: 82.4%

Cabinet: * Served part time ** served in Combat

Samuel Bodman
George Bush *
Elaine Chao
Richard Cheney
Michael Chertoff
Robert Gates
Alberto Gonzales *
Carlos Gutierrez
Alphonso Jackson
Mike Johanns

Dirk Kempthorne
Michael Leavitt
Jim Nicholson **
Henry Paulson
Mary Peters
Condoleezza Rice
John Snow
Margaret Spellings

[scarygirl]

and as of the day before yesterday in post called a "classless bitch." Mind you the last one was backed handed, "I'm a classy Bitch and you're not. Some of us just are " But I understood what was meant.

And you have absolutely never ever posted backhanded shots toward people, have you?

Not unprovoked. At first it was "OMFG," to which I said, that's the best you got, such class." Then came the BITCH comment. Both of which were unnecessary. Up to that point, I have never said anything to her backwards or otherwise. She just came in there and said it. Why I don't know.

I have done nothing to her, other than disagree with her on stem cells and abortion.