OT: Miami Dolphins...WHOA!!!!!

[Greg]

Listen moron, I can assure you that I am very well educated, and don't need to boast about my G.P.A. on MR to validate my intellect! I can also assure you that there is NO FUCKING WAY that "southerns", as you call them, are more educated than anyone on the planet! While I'm VERY guilty of painting with a broad brush, I'm convinced that Jerry Springer recruits 100% of his guests from this part of the country!

You're the one who told me I didn't have a clue, so don't run your pie hole and think I'm not coming after your hick ass! I can make one promise to you...As soon as I can get my house sold, I'm out of this abortion of a state! I never claimed ALL "southerns" (and you lecture me about education) liked NASCAR. I simply made the point that if you truly don't grasp the concept about how INSANELY CRAZY most southerners (sorry for using the correct word) are about NASCAR, you have your head up your ass (which is entirely possible)!


John from Boston

Good! I know North Carolinians will be happy to know you're going back to the north where you'll be equally despised. If you want to come after my "hick ass", then go right ahead big man. I'll be waiting. But I'm sure that probably isn't going to happen. As matter of a fact, I know it's not going to happen. So, STFU and keep watching Jerry Springer.

[Enigma869]

John, I have lived in the south my whole life and I dont care for Nascar. In fact it puts me to sleep. I am very passionate about college sports because one of the most important times in my life came during my college days. But I dont know how you can classify the NFL as lost in the south because Atlanta(until 2 games ago)sold out every home game since Arthur Blank bought the team. No one can blame the fans for backing off a bit now considering all the shit coming from that franchise. Jacksonville and Tampa Bay sell out regulary, Miami usually does until this season(again, who can blame the fans???) and I think Carolina does, although Im not as close to that organization. The Atlanta Hawks are off to their best attendance figures in years right now, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. These are facts, you can get all of this onfo on attendance from ESPN.com. It does sound like you are not happy here and the south isnt for everyone, but there must not be a lot wrong with it because where I live and have lived in the past is overrun with snowbirds and retirees from the north. Now , this cant be because of a lower cost of living. Florida is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. North Georgia is as well, you can research this on the internet. There is nowhere else I'd rather be than right here in this part of the world.

Hey Scarab...

You're absolutely correct that the south is definitely not for everyone...and neither is the northeast! In spite of my VERY sarcastic shots at Greg, the truth is that most of the people I have met in the south are nice enough people. That said, I've heard the "N" word used here, more than I've ever heard it used, ANYWHERE in my entire life, including when I worked at a state prison! I simply don't want my young son growing up in a world where racism is quite that overt! In terms of the south growing so much...all I can tell you is that if spent one winter in New England, you probably wouldn't be all that perplexed why so many people move away, to warmer climates! I can tell you that it's certainly not for the culture!

As far as the sports issue is concerned...I honestly don't care what the attendance figures are for this season for the Atlanta Hawks. It doesn't change the history of Atlanta, as a sports city. Sure, Vick going there created some buzz, and you're absolutely correct when you say you can't blame the fans for backing off a bit, given the circumstances. That said, I am talking over the course of MANY years, and just not the recent history. The Atlanta Braves had VERY successful teams for MANY, MANY years, and could NEVER sell out a single playoff game. I find that embarrassing! Usually, even in towns that aren't real sports hotbeds, the local people get behind a winning team!

In spite of my VERY direct comments, I don't condemn the south for loving college sports, at all. Although I'll never view college sports nearly as interesting as the pro game (I think the college football BCS System is a DISASTER), I do watch a lot of college sports. The reality is that most of the sports teams in the south haven't been around forever, so for many generations, college sports were the only game in town. I just don't view cities like Miami and Atlanta as I do cities like Boston, New York or Chicago, when it comes to sports! I think in cities where the weather is always fabulous (like most parts of the south), sports are just something to watch to occupy time. In cities, with more history (in a sports sense), the sports teams are much more part of the culture and identity of the city. Neither way is right or wrong. It's simply among the many cultural differences that we have, across this country.


John from Boston

[ScarabGator]

John, I have lived in the south my whole life and I dont care for Nascar. In fact it puts me to sleep. I am very passionate about college sports because one of the most important times in my life came during my college days. But I dont know how you can classify the NFL as lost in the south because Atlanta(until 2 games ago)sold out every home game since Arthur Blank bought the team. No one can blame the fans for backing off a bit now considering all the shit coming from that franchise. Jacksonville and Tampa Bay sell out regulary, Miami usually does until this season(again, who can blame the fans???) and I think Carolina does, although Im not as close to that organization. The Atlanta Hawks are off to their best attendance figures in years right now, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. These are facts, you can get all of this onfo on attendance from ESPN.com. It does sound like you are not happy here and the south isnt for everyone, but there must not be a lot wrong with it because where I live and have lived in the past is overrun with snowbirds and retirees from the north. Now , this cant be because of a lower cost of living. Florida is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. North Georgia is as well, you can research this on the internet. There is nowhere else I'd rather be than right here in this part of the world.

Hey Scarab...

You're absolutely correct that the south is definitely not for everyone...and neither is the northeast! In spite of my VERY sarcastic shots at Greg, the truth is that most of the people I have met in the south are nice enough people. That said, I've heard the "N" word used here, more than I've ever heard it used, ANYWHERE in my entire life, including when I worked at a state prison! I simply don't want my young son growing up in a world where racism is quite that overt! In terms of the south growing so much...all I can tell you is that if spent one winter in New England, you probably wouldn't be all that perplexed why so many people move away, to warmer climates! I can tell you that it's certainly not for the culture!

As far as the sports issue is concerned...I honestly don't care what the attendance figures are for this season for the Atlanta Hawks. It doesn't change the history of Atlanta, as a sports city. Sure, Vick going there created some buzz, and you're absolutely correct when you say you can't blame the fans for backing off a bit, given the circumstances. That said, I am talking over the course of MANY years, and just not the recent history. The Atlanta Braves had VERY successful teams for MANY, MANY years, and could NEVER sell out a single playoff game. I find that embarrassing! Usually, even in towns that aren't real sports hotbeds, the local people get behind a winning team!

In spite of my VERY direct comments, I don't condemn the south for loving college sports, at all. Although I'll never view college sports nearly as interesting as the pro game (I think the college football BCS System is a DISASTER), I do watch a lot of college sports. The reality is that most of the sports teams in the south haven't been around forever, so for many generations, college sports were the only game in town. I just don't view cities like Miami and Atlanta as I do cities like Boston, New York or Chicago, when it comes to sports! I think in cities where the weather is always fabulous (like most parts of the south), sports are just something to watch to occupy time. In cities, with more history (in a sports sense), the sports teams are much more part of the culture and identity of the city. Neither way is right or wrong. It's simply among the many cultural differences that we have, across this country.


John from Boston

The racism thing you pegged right on the head. Its almost as bad here as it was in the 60's. One of the hardest things I deal with with my children is why this is wrong when they go to school and hear those horrible words and see the fights between whites and african americans. I try to teach them we are all the same, just "brothers from another mother" but its hard. I just tell my girls to treat everyone the same, regardless of skin color or where they come from, treat them the way you wanna be treated. It is frustrating when you see the Braves in the playoffs and all ESPN can talk about is the lack of ticket sales. Then you go to a playoff game and there are more Cubbie fans, or Mets fans than the home team, in the playoffs! I think the Braves fans became spoiled because of all the success and now they just tune out till the World Series starts. I know in the WS in 91, 92 and 95 it was sold out each post season game. I was one of those crazy bastards at one of the 95 games and it was insane! But once again, Braves fans are spoiled. Hopefully not making the post season the last 2 years will reawaken the city and support the team again. I just hate hearing Braves fans bitch about losing star players and payroll being cut and they do nothing to help sell the game. I am a lifelong Braves fan, even growing up in Miami. To this day I think more south Floridians pull for Atl because thats the only baseball they had for years until the Marlins in 93, thanks to TBS and many cant root against them, even for their hometown team. I dont know.

[Rockindeano]

Last June, I was in Orlando, and hopped a train to Granny's in Charleston, SC. I counted at least 30 Stars and Bars flags in people's backyards from Florida, Georgia and SC.

Pathetic. Uneducated. Ignorant.

[Enigma869]

Last June, I was in Orlando, and hopped a train to Granny's in Charleston, SC. I counted at least 30 Stars and Bars flags in people's backyards from Florida, Georgia and SC.

Pathetic. Uneducated. Ignorant.

After living here for 9 months, I can't say that I'm surprised, Dean! Unfortunately for me, my enduring memory of the south will be the rampant racism, that is unlike anything I've ever experienced in my life (and for the record, I'm a white guy)! I think that in spite of Greg's chest pounding about how everyone in the south has taken the time to get themselves so educated, the evidence to the contrary is quite compelling!

I have a neighbor who lives across the street from me, (who is a great guy) who happens to be African American. I was told by the previous home owner (who was a white guy) that there was a HUGE uproar in the neighborhood when this guy moved in. The guy works for the SBI (North Carolina's version of the FBI), is an upstanding guy, and the best neighbor that ANYONE could ever hope to have! Unfortunately, most people just didn't care, because his skin wasn't the right color!

At the end of the day, no area of the country is perfect, including my hometown. That said, I am proud to be from a place where most people are a bit more educated about the world we live in, and treat people as they should be treated. My home state of Massachusetts gets crucified by the religious yahoos of the world for legalizing gay marriage, while most of these jackasses think that slavery should still be legal! If anyone wants a great house, in a backward thinking state, let me know. There is lots of NASCAR, college hoops, and chicken and biscuits to be enjoyed


John from Boston

[Greg]

Last June, I was in Orlando, and hopped a train to Granny's in Charleston, SC. I counted at least 30 Stars and Bars flags in people's backyards from Florida, Georgia and SC.

Pathetic. Uneducated. Ignorant.

After living here for 9 months, I can't say that I'm surprised, Dean! Unfortunately for me, my enduring memory of the south will be the rampant racism, that is unlike anything I've ever experienced in my life (and for the record, I'm a white guy)! I think that in spite of Greg's chest pounding about how everyone in the south has taken the time to get themselves so educated, the evidence to the contrary is quite compelling!

I have a neighbor who lives across the street from me, (who is a great guy) who happens to be African American. I was told by the previous home owner (who was a white guy) that there was a HUGE uproar in the neighborhood when this guy moved in. The guy works for the SBI (North Carolina's version of the FBI), is an upstanding guy, and the best neighbor that ANYONE could ever hope to have! Unfortunately, most people just didn't care, because his skin wasn't the right color!

At the end of the day, no area of the country is perfect, including my hometown. That said, I am proud to be from a place where most people are a bit more educated about the world we live in, and treat people as they should be treated. My home state of Massachusetts gets crucified by the religious yahoos of the world for legalizing gay marriage, while most of these jackasses think that slavery should still be legal! If anyone wants a great house, in a backward thinking state, let me know. There is lots of NASCAR, college hoops, and chicken and biscuits to be enjoyed


John from Boston

Go back and read your own posts. You're just as guilty as those you accuse, except your discrimination comes in the form of playing class warfare. There are many, like me, who live in the south that are well educated, far from being racist, open minded about the gay community, and do not follow NASCAR. You just decided it's easier to place everybody, or the large majority, into one classification instead of opening your own mind and finding it. Maybe this is a bit harsh, but I see you no different from the racists that live in your community.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South. Look on a map and it seems pretty even with Utah and Oregon...and Oregon is in the Pacific NORTHWEST. Besides, I always seemed to think Virginians were very well educated.

[Enigma869]

Go back and read your own posts. You're just as guilty as those you accuse, except your discrimination comes in the form of playing class warfare. There are many, like me, who live in the south that are well educated, far from being racist, open minded about the gay community, and do not follow NASCAR. You just decided it's easier to place everybody, or the large majority, into one classification instead of opening your own mind and finding it. Maybe this is a bit harsh, but I see you no different from the racists that live in your community.

Listen Greg...

My shot at the NASCAR crowd is nothing more than good-natured ribbing! The reality is that I have jackass friends who were born and raised in Boston who think NASCAR is the greatest thing on the planet! Do I like NASCAR? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Do I think EVERY single person who lives in the south likes NASCAR? Of course I don't believe that! Do I think there are FAR more NASCAR fans in the south than ANY other part of the country? ABSOLUTELY! This is where NASCAR has its roots, and no other part of the country is even a close second!

I'm pretty okay with you, or anyone else taking shots at me on an internet forum! That said, if you truly believe that my taking shots at NASCAR is analogous to the guy cutting my hair, openly calling someone a "nigger boy", you are VERY misguided in your thinking! As Dean said, perhaps Virginia is different...I wouldn't know! I've only driven through Virginia, and don't know much about the state. The south, as a whole, has always had a reputation for being a bit on the racist side, and most people are fully cognizant of that fact. That said, I didn't realize it was quite this overt, until I moved here. Had I known it was as bad as it appears to be, I wouldn't have moved my young son here, as I simply don't want my son being raised in an environment that may have been acceptable 50 years ago, but has never been acceptable in my world!

I can tell you this...I have received NUMEROUS private messages from others who live in the south, and they have said that I was dead on with my assessment, so it can't all be my imagination! I will make the concession, openly here, that not EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL in the south loves NASCAR, stuffs the bible down your throat, and judges EVERYONE, based upon the color of their skin. I will say that there is definitely a MUCH larger percentage of people who fall into those categories, than don't, in this part of the country! At the end of the day, I accept the fact that EVERY part of the country has cultural differences. Some of those differences are charming, and some are detestable. The bottom line for me is, that it's going to be nice to get back home where "y'all" is actually two words


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

The racism thing you pegged right on the head. Its almost as bad here as it was in the 60's. One of the hardest things I deal with with my children is why this is wrong when they go to school and hear those horrible words and see the fights between whites and african americans. I try to teach them we are all the same, just "brothers from another mother" but its hard. I just tell my girls to treat everyone the same, regardless of skin color or where they come from, treat them the way you wanna be treated.

Kudos to you Scarab for teaching your children the right way to act. As a parent of a young child, I applaud your efforts. While it isn't possible to change the mentality of an entire area, it's a good thing that you teach your children what is appropriate and what is not! Children don't naturally hate anything (except maybe vegetables), so it's a good thing when parents aren't teaching them to hate for the sake of hating!


John from Boston

[ScarabGator]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South. Look on a map and it seems pretty even with Utah and Oregon...and Oregon is in the Pacific NORTHWEST. Besides, I always seemed to think Virginians were very well educated.

hey dean, if this is another of your cracks at the south then heres one for you:You wouldnt make it here anyway with your shitty attitude. There would be some "good ole boys" waiting for you the minute you started speaking.

[CatEyes]

while much of what has been said here is true, and much of it implied, and some of it really not acceptable guys it is the holiday season

What ever holiday you like, christmas, hannukka, ramadan, kwanza

Damn - pick one and celebrate/observe it.

Leave the hatred and intolerance in 2007.

Cat

[ScarabGator]

while much of what has been said here is true, and much of it implied, and some of it really not acceptable guys it is the holiday season

What ever holiday you like, christmas, hannukka, ramadan, kwanza

Damn - pock one and celebrate/observe it.

Leave the hatred and intolerance in 2007.

Cat

Im still trying to figure out how a topic about the Dolphins turned into a Civil War???

[Red13JoePa]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South.

Nah, Virginia (phenomenal state, btw) is "the south" in my book.

Sometimes I even classify DC as "the south" some people go as far as to classify Baltimore shit even parts of Delaware as "the south". Didn't I hear somewheres that the Mason/Dixon line is actually in southern DE?

[NealIsGod]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South.

Nah, Virginia (phenomenal state, btw) is "the south" in my book.

You can label it whatever you want, but northern VA is basically Washington DC. Southern VA fits the bill, tho.

[Enigma869]

Im still trying to figure out how a topic about the Dolphins turned into a Civil War???

Has Parcells fired Cam Cameron yet


John from Boston

[Rockindeano]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South. Look on a map and it seems pretty even with Utah and Oregon...and Oregon is in the Pacific NORTHWEST. Besides, I always seemed to think Virginians were very well educated.

hey dean, if this is another of your cracks at the south then heres one for you:You wouldnt make it here anyway with your shitty attitude. There would be some "good ole boys" waiting for you the minute you started speaking.

First of all, FUCK YOU. I can hold my own quite well. I have had my ass kicked more times than I can recall, and I have kicked a few too.

If you read my post, I find it very hard to see where I cracked on the South. Your inability in reading comprehension is startling. Must be that great SEC education

1- I can out drink you
2- I am smarter than you
3- I can kick your ass
4- I have more posts than you

[ScarabGator]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South. Look on a map and it seems pretty even with Utah and Oregon...and Oregon is in the Pacific NORTHWEST. Besides, I always seemed to think Virginians were very well educated.

hey dean, if this is another of your cracks at the south then heres one for you:You wouldnt make it here anyway with your shitty attitude. There would be some "good ole boys" waiting for you the minute you started speaking.

First of all, FUCK YOU. I can hold my own quite well. I have had my ass kicked more times than I can recall, and I have kicked a few too.

If you read my post, I find it very hard to see where I cracked on the South. Your inability in reading comprehension is startling. Must be that great SEC education

1- I can out drink you
2- I am smarter than you
3- I can kick your ass
4- I have more posts than you

WELLL!!!! Deano, Ive been known to take care of myself quite well also. Sure, Ive had mine kicked a few times but even then the motherfucker knew he just had the fight of his life.

Now, heres my answer to your bullets!
1- Thats debatable. Maybe by a hair but you'll be as fucked up as me when you leave the bar.
2- This I definetly know is bullshit. Maybe more smart-assed than me? I think most folks on this board whos seen you post
may agree with me on this one...
3- Kick my ass? Hell deano, you'd have to work your way up thru the ranks just to qualify to be in my league. Better start eating your wheaties...
4- Yes, you do have more posts than me but my Johnson is bigger!!!!!

[Greg]

Go back and read your own posts. You're just as guilty as those you accuse, except your discrimination comes in the form of playing class warfare. There are many, like me, who live in the south that are well educated, far from being racist, open minded about the gay community, and do not follow NASCAR. You just decided it's easier to place everybody, or the large majority, into one classification instead of opening your own mind and finding it. Maybe this is a bit harsh, but I see you no different from the racists that live in your community.

Listen Greg...

My shot at the NASCAR crowd is nothing more than good-natured ribbing! The reality is that I have jackass friends who were born and raised in Boston who think NASCAR is the greatest thing on the planet! Do I like NASCAR? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Do I think EVERY single person who lives in the south likes NASCAR? Of course I don't believe that! Do I think there are FAR more NASCAR fans in the south than ANY other part of the country? ABSOLUTELY! This is where NASCAR has its roots, and no other part of the country is even a close second!

I'm pretty okay with you, or anyone else taking shots at me on an internet forum! That said, if you truly believe that my taking shots at NASCAR is analogous to the guy cutting my hair, openly calling someone a "nigger boy", you are VERY misguided in your thinking! As Dean said, perhaps Virginia is different...I wouldn't know! I've only driven through Virginia, and don't know much about the state. The south, as a whole, has always had a reputation for being a bit on the racist side, and most people are fully cognizant of that fact. That said, I didn't realize it was quite this overt, until I moved here. Had I known it was as bad as it appears to be, I wouldn't have moved my young son here, as I simply don't want my son being raised in an environment that may have been acceptable 50 years ago, but has never been acceptable in my world!

I can tell you this...I have received NUMEROUS private messages from others who live in the south, and they have said that I was dead on with my assessment, so it can't all be my imagination! I will make the concession, openly here, that not EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL in the south loves NASCAR, stuffs the bible down your throat, and judges EVERYONE, based upon the color of their skin. I will say that there is definitely a MUCH larger percentage of people who fall into those categories, than don't, in this part of the country! At the end of the day, I accept the fact that EVERY part of the country has cultural differences. Some of those differences are charming, and some are detestable. The bottom line for me is, that it's going to be nice to get back home where "y'all" is actually two words


John from Boston

John,

I don't believe we think very differently, you just come across as being an ass when making your point. Neither you nor I like racism. Neither you nor I care to watch NASCAR, although I respect it as a professional sport. If you don't like the south, that's on you, but I wouldn't go judging the south as a whole based on the experiences you've had with people in your area. I won't deny for a second that racism is in the South. I also don't believe that there is a state in this country that does not deal with some form of discrimination. In the south, it might be race, up north, it might be social standing. My point is, it's everywhere.

My biggest grievance is being lumped into the same category with those southern people who are racists and uneducated. I am neither racist or uneducated. I understand that this is probably not how you meant to come across, but that's how I took it. The point to be made is that people are not racist and uneducated because they live in the south, but they are racist and uneducated because of the values (or lack of) that were taught to them at an early age. I'd dare to say that for every racist and uneducated person you'd come in contact with, I could match with a southern born person who is not racist nor uneducated. There are plenty of really nice areas in southern VA and NC that would probably be more charming than where you are living at currently.

But, getting back on the subject of pro sports, my question is: what's the big deal with over all knowledge of pro sports? Why would one's knowledge of a sport be discredited because they support the college version of the sport in addition to the pro version? Like you not caring for NASCAR, I don't care for baseball or pro basketball. My reason is that baseball is boring to me, and pro basketball's season is too long and doesn't get interesting until the Championship finals.

[Greg]

Hey Greg, totally get what you are saying. I always wondered why Virginia was in the South. Look on a map and it seems pretty even with Utah and Oregon...and Oregon is in the Pacific NORTHWEST. Besides, I always seemed to think Virginians were very well educated.

Thanks Dean. Virginia is almost like two separate states within itself. Northern VA seems to be growing and getting all of the high tech businesses while southern VA seems to be suffering a lot. However, I put most of that blame on the yahoos we have in local office. I guess VA is considered southern because most of us have southern accents and in the southern part of VA, there are a lot of rural areas where people live.

[Enigma869]

But, getting back on the subject of pro sports, my question is: what's the big deal with over all knowledge of pro sports? Why would one's knowledge of a sport be discredited because they support the college version of the sport in addition to the pro version? Like you not caring for NASCAR, I don't care for baseball or pro basketball. My reason is that baseball is boring to me, and pro basketball's season is too long and doesn't get interesting until the Championship finals.

To answer your question Greg, one's knowledge isn't discredited, at all for supporting college sports. College sports are huge in the south, and I would venture to guess the vast majority of college sports fans have FAR more knowledge than I have, about the college game, and its players! The pro game and college game are really two entirely different sports. All you have to is look at how many great college football players never even get to the NFL, as a backup.

Although it's obvious I'm a rabid Boston sports fans, I respect Chicago, New York (even though I LOATHE NY), Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, and several other cities as great sports cities. I have never and will never respect cities like Miami, Atlanta, or even Charlotte! The fans simply don't support the teams. Those cities are always at the very bottom of major cities, when it comes to fan support of their teams. Hell, Charlotte couldn't even keep a pro basketball team (the Hornets), in a state that is basketball CRAZED! Then on top of that, they go out and get another team (the Bobcats). While every city has its share of knowledgeable sports fans, southern cities will forever be relegated to the "minor leagues", when it comes to pro sports, in my mind. It's simply my opinion, based upon 30 years of watching sports in every city across America!


John from Boston

[Greg]

But, getting back on the subject of pro sports, my question is: what's the big deal with over all knowledge of pro sports? Why would one's knowledge of a sport be discredited because they support the college version of the sport in addition to the pro version? Like you not caring for NASCAR, I don't care for baseball or pro basketball. My reason is that baseball is boring to me, and pro basketball's season is too long and doesn't get interesting until the Championship finals.

To answer your question Greg, one's knowledge isn't discredited, at all for supporting college sports. College sports are huge in the south, and I would venture to guess the vast majority of college sports fans have FAR more knowledge than I have, about the college game, and its players! The pro game and college game are really two entirely different sports. All you have to is look at how many great college football players never even get to the NFL, as a backup.

Although it's obvious I'm a rabid Boston sports fans, I respect Chicago, New York (even though I LOATHE NY), Philadelphia, Detroit, St. Louis, and several other cities as great sports cities. I have never and will never respect cities like Miami, Atlanta, or even Charlotte! The fans simply don't support the teams. Those cities are always at the very bottom of major cities, when it comes to fan support of their teams. Hell, Charlotte couldn't even keep a pro basketball team (the Hornets), in a state that is basketball CRAZED! Then on top of that, they go out and get another team (the Bobcats). While every city has its share of knowledgeable sports fans, southern cities will forever be relegated to the "minor leagues", when it comes to pro sports, in my mind. It's simply my opinion, based upon 30 years of watching sports in every city across America!


John from Boston

What I have found is that there a lot of football fans around here who love both college and pro football, but don't understand the different rules. Such as only having to have one foot in bounce when catching a pass in college, where as having to have both feet down to call it a catch in the pros. I'm not sure how the Carolina Panthers are supported. I'd say they're probably more supported than the basketball team, because of their recent success. For myself, I find college basketball more exciting to watch than pro basketball. I guess that is because every game "counts" in the ACC. It's so competitive and there many exciting rivalries to watch. With the NBA, the players just seem to play as if they know they're getting paid regardless of the outcome. It gets more exciting in the playoffs and the finals, but I just can't get into pro basketball during the regular season. Maybe now since I have purchased an HD-TV, it may become more exciting for me.

In regards to fan support, I'd say Washington has a lot of fan support regardless of the season they're having. Of course, it's very debatable if you'd call them a southern team. I also loathe Philly and NY. Of course my reasons being because those two teams are in the NFC East. I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat. NY fans seem to be just as bad.

[Moose]

I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat.

That is complete nonsense......are you kidding? Say what you want about Philly, but fans here are as loyal as anywhere. If you are saying this as a rival, fine. Otherwise, it is total bullshit.

[Enigma869]

That is complete nonsense......are you kidding? Say what you want about Philly, but fans here are as loyal as anywhere. If you are saying this as a rival, fine. Otherwise, it is total bullshit.

I honestly think people who don't live in sports-crazed cities sometimes just don't really understand the mentality in those cities. I think Philadelphia is a hard-core sports city, like many in the northeast, and their fans aren't really all that different from other hardcore fans. The reality is that the city of Philadelphia hasn't sniffed a championship since 1983, and their fans are still showing up to the games, 25 long years later! That tells me they're great fans! When I see fans like Philly fans boo the shit out of certain team moves (i.e. them drafting McNabb out of Syracuse), it just tells me they care about what happens. It certainly beats the hell out of the complete apathy you see in cities who just don't care about anything their teams ever do!


John from Boston

[Moose]

That is complete nonsense......are you kidding? Say what you want about Philly, but fans here are as loyal as anywhere. If you are saying this as a rival, fine. Otherwise, it is total bullshit.

I honestly think people who don't live in sports-crazed cities sometimes just don't really understand the mentality in those cities. I think Philadelphia is a hard-core sports city, like many in the northeast, and their fans aren't really all that different from other hardcore fans. The reality is that the city of Philadelphia hasn't sniffed a championship since 1983, and their fans are still showing up to the games, 25 long years later! That tells me they're great fans! When I see fans like Philly fans boo the shit out of certain team moves (i.e. them drafting McNabb out of Syracuse), it just tells me they care about what happens. It certainly beats the hell out of the complete apathy you see in cities who just don't care about anything their teams ever do!


John from Boston

Dude,

I can’t agree more! We here in the north east take our sports very seriously, because…lets face it…what else is there? Before 2004, Red Sox fans died year after year. The Phillies made the playoffs for the first time since ’93 this year, and you would have thought we won the World Series with the jubilation that we saw.


I guarantee that if McNabb won that Super Bowl in Jacksonville three years ago, all of this anti Donovan talk would not exist.

Win the title! That is all we ask!

[Enigma869]

I hate to tell you guys but this weekend the Dolphins will upset NE. Book it right now.

The was a brilliant prediction! As I told you earlier in the week...STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE! Jesus...There are still 3 minutes left if the FIRST HALF, and your guppies are already down 28-0. Shit, I'm hoping Belichick calls up the practice squad for the remainder of this game. This isn't even entertaining. I told you not to get confused by Miami beating Baltimore! The Ravens are a horrible team, with a horrible coach, who cannot score a damn TD, to save their lives!


John from Boston

[Rhiannon]

What I have found is that there a lot of football fans around here who love both college and pro football, but don't understand the different rules. Such as only having to have one foot in bounce when catching a pass in college, where as having to have both feet down to call it a catch in the pros. I'm not sure how the Carolina Panthers are supported. I'd say they're probably more supported than the basketball team, because of their recent success. For myself, I find college basketball more exciting to watch than pro basketball. I guess that is because every game "counts" in the ACC. It's so competitive and there many exciting rivalries to watch. With the NBA, the players just seem to play as if they know they're getting paid regardless of the outcome. It gets more exciting in the playoffs and the finals, but I just can't get into pro basketball during the regular season. Maybe now since I have purchased an HD-TV, it may become more exciting for me.

In regards to fan support, I'd say Washington has a lot of fan support regardless of the season they're having. Of course, it's very debatable if you'd call them a southern team. I also loathe Philly and NY. Of course my reasons being because those two teams are in the NFC East. I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat. NY fans seem to be just as bad.

You could have sufficed this all by saying...

GO HOKIES!! ACC CHAMPS!
(Merry Christmas Gregola!)

[Greg]

What I have found is that there a lot of football fans around here who love both college and pro football, but don't understand the different rules. Such as only having to have one foot in bounce when catching a pass in college, where as having to have both feet down to call it a catch in the pros. I'm not sure how the Carolina Panthers are supported. I'd say they're probably more supported than the basketball team, because of their recent success. For myself, I find college basketball more exciting to watch than pro basketball. I guess that is because every game "counts" in the ACC. It's so competitive and there many exciting rivalries to watch. With the NBA, the players just seem to play as if they know they're getting paid regardless of the outcome. It gets more exciting in the playoffs and the finals, but I just can't get into pro basketball during the regular season. Maybe now since I have purchased an HD-TV, it may become more exciting for me.

In regards to fan support, I'd say Washington has a lot of fan support regardless of the season they're having. Of course, it's very debatable if you'd call them a southern team. I also loathe Philly and NY. Of course my reasons being because those two teams are in the NFC East. I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat. NY fans seem to be just as bad.

You could have sufficed this all by saying...

GO HOKIES!! ACC CHAMPS!
(Merry Christmas Gregola!)

Merry Christmas to you too Rhi!

Agree 100% honey!!!

[Greg]

I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat.

That is complete nonsense......are you kidding? Say what you want about Philly, but fans here are as loyal as anywhere. If you are saying this as a rival, fine. Otherwise, it is total bullshit.

Ah come on! The Philly fans were booing the day McNabb got drafted.

[chf34jmac]

Go back a few posts and read what Moose wrote. It's because Philly fans give a shit! The fans knew when McNabb was drafted that a quarterback shouldn't have been the number one priority. Still isn't. What Philly has lacked for years is a verifiable speed burning deep threat. Don't count TO his mouth was faster than his legs.

[Greg]

Go back a few posts and read what Moose wrote. It's because Philly fans give a shit! The fans knew when McNabb was drafted that a quarterback shouldn't have been the number one priority. Still isn't. What Philly has lacked for years is a verifiable speed burning deep threat. Don't count TO his mouth was faster than his legs.

Looking back on it though, the Eagles have been far more successful with McNabb than Peete. I'd say it was a very good move for the club. Of course I'll agree, the Eagles have always needed a true #1 WR, but I doubt a lesser QB than NcNabb would've made it work with what they had.