OT: Miami Dolphins...WHOA!!!!!

[Moose]

I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat.

That is complete nonsense......are you kidding? Say what you want about Philly, but fans here are as loyal as anywhere. If you are saying this as a rival, fine. Otherwise, it is total bullshit.

Ah come on! The Philly fans were booing the day McNabb got drafted.

They didn't boo McNabb. They booed the fact that the Eagles didn't take Ricky Williams. A very vocal minority of fans traveled to NY that day to root for Williams being the pick. McNabb has been overly sensitive to this ever since. He needs to get over it. Kevin Kolb being picked was booed just as loudly last year. You don't hear him crying about it. Enough said!

[Greg]

I think Philly fans will turn on their team at the drop of a hat.

That is complete nonsense......are you kidding? Say what you want about Philly, but fans here are as loyal as anywhere. If you are saying this as a rival, fine. Otherwise, it is total bullshit.

Ah come on! The Philly fans were booing the day McNabb got drafted.

They didn't boo McNabb. They booed the fact that the Eagles didn't take Ricky Williams. A very vocal minority of fans traveled to NY that day to root for Williams being the pick. McNabb has been overly sensitive to this ever since. He needs to get over it. Kevin Kolb being picked was booed just as loudly last year. You don't hear him crying about it. Enough said!

I remember that. But honestly, the Eagles came out far better with McNabb and Brian Westbrook that they would have with Ricky Williams.

[Enigma869]

They didn't boo McNabb. They booed the fact that the Eagles didn't take Ricky Williams.

Yeah...That Ricky Williams pick would have worked out great for Eagles' fans! McNabb isn't the problem with the Eagles. Although McNabb isn't a great NFL QB, I've seen teams win with a lot worse than him! They have an old defense, and one offensive threat on the entire team (Westbrook). Teams with so little ammunition simply can't win enough.

I also don't think it's much of an issue that you say McNabb has been "overly sensitive" about the fact that Eagles fans thought he shouldn't have been the guy picked. The reality is that in sports, if a guy has the right emotional makeup, he can turn a snub like that into a Hall of Fame career! Joe Montana was overlooked, coming out of college, and he was a third round pick! Ask Tom Brady about getting himself motivated when nobody though he could play. The guy was picked in the SIXTH ROUND, and he wasn't even the Patriots first pick of the 6th round. Quarterbacks taken ahead of Brady include Spergon Wynn, Marc Bulger, Tee Martin, Chris Redman, Chad Pennington (I don't recall Jets fans being thrilled with this pick), and the immortal Giovanni Carmazzi! I've heard Brady on NUMEROUS occasions talk about the fact that he was a 6th round pick, to the point that he sounds quite sensitive about it...even after three championships! Who knows...If Brady was the first QB taken in that draft, perhaps he wouldn't have been as motivated, and perhaps as a result, he wouldn't be on his way to Canton, Ohio right now! I love the fact that after 7 years in the NFL, he's still really bothered by it.


John from Boston

[Moose]

If the Eagles had won Super Bowl 39 over New England, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Philadelphia worships it's champions. Ask Bernie Parent, Dr. J, or Tug McGraw (RIP).

Donovan would be just as admired if he pulled it off. Thankfully, it is not over yet. He might still get it done. We'll see next year.

[Greg]

If the Eagles had won Super Bowl 39 over New England, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Philadelphia worships it's champions. Ask Bernie Parent, Dr. J, or Tug McGraw (RIP).

Donovan would be just as admired if he pulled it off. Thankfully, it is not over yet. He might still get it done. We'll see next year.

So, if Donovan never wins a championship for the Eagles, will he be remembered as a failure in Philly? Is he not admired right now?

[Moose]

If the Eagles had won Super Bowl 39 over New England, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Philadelphia worships it's champions. Ask Bernie Parent, Dr. J, or Tug McGraw (RIP).

Donovan would be just as admired if he pulled it off. Thankfully, it is not over yet. He might still get it done. We'll see next year.

So, if Donovan never wins a championship for the Eagles, will he be remembered as a failure in Philly? Is he not admired right now?

He is admired, but he has come up short in big situations. Especially at home in the NFC championship against TB and Carolina. Are you baiting me here? You should know this stuff!

[Enigma869]

He is admired, but he has come up short in big situations. Especially at home in the NFC championship against TB and Carolina. Are you baiting me here? You should know this stuff!

I hate to sound like a broken record here, but Donovan McNabb isn't the problem in Philadelphia. I certainly have no problem giving McNabb some of the blame. He is the QB, afterall. That said, there is PLENTY of blame to go around with the Eagles! If Eagles fans truly believe they have a championship team, but McNabb is just the one guy holding them back, then I take back every compliment that I ever gave out to Philadelphia fans. The Eagles simply aren't a great team. They are a VERY average team. They are 7-8, and in last place in their division...right where they should be, based on the roster they have. I promise you that without McNabb in the lineup, they wouldn't have any more wins than they have. I don't think McNabb is going to win a ton of games on his own, but I definitely don't think he is the reason the Eagles are a last place team!


John from Boston

[Moose]

If Eagles fans truly believe they have a championship team, but McNabb is just the one guy holding them back, then I take back every compliment that I ever gave out to Philadelphia fans. The Eagles simply aren't a great team. They are a VERY average team. They are 7-8, and in last place in their division...right where they should be, based on the roster they have. I promise you that without McNabb in the lineup, they wouldn't have any more wins than they have. I don't think McNabb is going to win a ton of games on his own, but I definitely don't think he is the reason the Eagles are a last place team!


John from Boston

Dude,

Everyone, Eagles fans included, know that they are not a great team. McNabb is not the problem, but he had a terrible year. Injury had a big thing to do with that. The media here in Philly fed off of that . Hell, the NFC is average. Dallas, GB, Sea, the whole lot! That being said, a McNabb lead Eagles squad has just as much chance in the NFC as any next year...just sayin.

How the hell did this conversation go in this direction?

[Enigma869]

Dude,

Everyone, Eagles fans included, know that they are not a great team. McNabb is not the problem, but he had a terrible year. Injury had a big thing to do with that. The media here in Philly fed off of that . Hell, the NFC is average. Dallas, GB, Sea, the whole lot! That being said, a McNabb lead Eagles squad has just as much chance in the NFC as any next year...just sayin.

How the hell did this conversation go in this direction?

I guess we had to infuse someone else into the conversation. Afterall, Miami is the worst team in the NFL I'm still trying to get Scarab in here to give me his predictions for next week, or at least give me the name of the dealer who supplied the shit he was smoking when guaranteeing Miami was beating the Patriots this week. I guess getting just one win, even against a dreadful team, is enough to make a guy delusional


John from Boston

[Moose]

Dude,

Everyone, Eagles fans included, know that they are not a great team. McNabb is not the problem, but he had a terrible year. Injury had a big thing to do with that. The media here in Philly fed off of that . Hell, the NFC is average. Dallas, GB, Sea, the whole lot! That being said, a McNabb lead Eagles squad has just as much chance in the NFC as any next year...just sayin.

How the hell did this conversation go in this direction?

I guess we had to infuse someone else into the conversation. Afterall, Miami is the worst team in the NFL I'm still trying to get Scarab in here to give me his predictions for next week, or at least give me the name of the dealer who supplied the shit he was smoking when guaranteeing Miami was beating the Patriots this week. I guess getting just one win, even against a dreadful team, is enough to make a guy delusional


John from Boston

How in the hell could anyone in their right mind guarantee a win against NE this year.........especially Miami?

I want those drugs!

[Rhiannon]

So, if Donovan never wins a championship for the Eagles, will he be remembered as a failure in Philly? Is he not admired right now?

Huh?? People actually like Donovan McSnatch?

[ScarabGator]

During the hoidays one gets filled with the joys and hope of the season. I, too fell under this spell. Following a promsing Phin victory over Baltimore 2 weeks ago the fans were hopeful, afterall, sure it was the Ravens but this is the same Miami team that lost to worse teams than them already. So, it made sense. Miami will upset a NE team looking ahead to the playoffs and maybe having a difficult time getting themselves up for the lowly Dolphins, and at the same time protect the 72 season. Well, obviously now that was probably a retrospect caused by drinking Milwaukees Best rather than the quality I normally would endulge. In other words, I made an embarassing call. What I have since learned is that Miami at this time would probably lose to a Pop Warner team. Parcells will make a better team, eventually, but in the meantime it is struggle, cry, and drink for Miami fans. Which leads me to my next observation. I am an avid Gator fan and alumni of one of the greatest institutions in the country, regardless of what surfer boy deano thinks. With our Bowl game less than a week away its time for me to refocus on the real sports from Florida. In the Capitol One Bowl Florida will beat Meeeeechigan and send Lloyd Carr out to pasture in a sound manner. I will be heading to Orlando(my 2nd home) on New Years eve and will be in attendance. If you watch the game on TV look for the guy wearing orange and blue and holding up the sign that says "Chomp if you love Arnel Pineda".

[NealIsGod]

So, if Donovan never wins a championship for the Eagles, will he be remembered as a failure in Philly? Is he not admired right now?

He's done more for that team than Ron Jaworski and Randall Cunningham ever did.

[Red13JoePa]

McNabb isn't the problem with the Eagles.

Not THE problem, just the biggest problem.

4 picks in the Superbowl, that was WITH his precious "#1 RECIEVER" that all his apologists clamour for.

[Red13JoePa]

I guarantee that if McNabb won that Super Bowl in Jacksonville three years ago, all of this anti Donovan talk would not exist.

Win the title! That is all we ask!

Christ, Moose you know as well as I do that they CAN'T win it with him.

[Greg]

So, if Donovan never wins a championship for the Eagles, will he be remembered as a failure in Philly? Is he not admired right now?

Huh?? People actually like Donovan McSnatch?

LOL! Donovan McSnatch!

[Greg]

If the Eagles had won Super Bowl 39 over New England, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Philadelphia worships it's champions. Ask Bernie Parent, Dr. J, or Tug McGraw (RIP).

Donovan would be just as admired if he pulled it off. Thankfully, it is not over yet. He might still get it done. We'll see next year.

So, if Donovan never wins a championship for the Eagles, will he be remembered as a failure in Philly? Is he not admired right now?

He is admired, but he has come up short in big situations. Especially at home in the NFC championship against TB and Carolina. Are you baiting me here? You should know this stuff!

Honestly, no baiting. I do know this stuff. I'm just trying to better understand the true representation of an Eagles fan's mentality. With McNabb, I'm just wondering if Eagles fans still believe choosing McNabb over Williams was the wrong choice? And, do you think McNabb is going to be an Eagle next season?

Anyways, with the debate about Northern cities supporting their teams more than southern cities, could that also be because a lot of those northern teams have been around for decades? Almost a century even? I can tell you that Washington has always supported the Redskins. Of course, success will breed a lot of that, but even through our lean recent years, the area has still supported the team through thick and thin.

John, did you also know that your favorite hometown used to be home of the Redskins?

[Enigma869]

Honestly, no baiting. I do know this stuff. I'm just trying to better understand the true representation of an Eagles fan's mentality. With McNabb, I'm just wondering if Eagles fans still believe choosing McNabb over Williams was the wrong choice? And, do you think McNabb is going to be an Eagle next season?

Anyways, with the debate about Northern cities supporting their teams more than southern cities, could that also be because a lot of those northern teams have been around for decades? Almost a century even? I can tell you that Washington has always supported the Redskins. Of course, success will breed a lot of that, but even through our lean recent years, the area has still supported the team through thick and thin.

John, did you also know that your favorite hometown used to be home of the Redskins?

I honestly don't believe that any Eagles fans believe for one second that drafting Ricky Williams over McNabb would have been the correct decision. Let's put it this way...If Williams had been the choice, the Eagles wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity to lose to the Patriots in the Super Bowl! As I've said, McNabb isn't a great QB, but the Eagles have FAR greater problems than Donovan McNabb!

As for your Redskins question...Yes, I did know that the Washington Redskins were orginally the Boston Redskins...from 1932 to 1936, to be exact! The Atlanta Braves baseball team also began as a Boston franchise, before moving on to Milwaukee, and then ultimately Atlanta.


John from Boston

[Red13JoePa]

the Eagles have FAR greater problems than Donovan McNabb!

Like what!

[Enigma869]

Like what!

Well, for starters, their receiving core SUCKS! Any time your running back is your leading receiver, your team has troubles! The likes of Jasan Avant, Hank Baskett, Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown, and Kevin Curtis aren't going to scare many defenses! That's a pretty lackluster receiving core, and a pretty critical part of any offense! Also, Brian Westbrook, who is a GREAT player, accounts for 40% of ALL of the Eagles offense! There isn't a single team in the NFL who is EVER succesful, when counting on just one guy to do everything! Ask Barry Sanders how that worked out for him in Detroit, and Westbrook isn't anywhere near as good as Sanders was! Also, they have Runyan and Thomas on their O line, who are 33 and 34 (getting up there for O linemen). You also have Brian Dawkins, who is 34, and not the same player he used to be. Then you move on to Jevon Kearse, who is a VERY old 31 (haven't heard anyone refer to him as "The Freak" anytime in the recent past). We then move on to Kimo von Oelhoffen, who is the spry young age of 37! Other than that, they have a team full of all-pros

My point is that guys in the NFL slow down a ton, with age. We've seen it in New England with Rodney Harrison, who is NOWHERE near the dominant player, he once was. Also, guys like Tedy Bruschi, and Junior Seau are shells of their former selves! Why??? Because they're damn old! The difference with the Patriots is they actually have some other talented players on the team, to make up for some of these guys losing something off of their fastball. Not to mention, the Patriots have NEVER, EVER, EVER relied upon one single guy to carry their offense! That has NEVER worked in the NFL and never will!


John from Boston

[Red13JoePa]

The defense is very solid and well-coached and Kevin Curtis is over a grand in yardage with another game to go.

The other guys are sorta just OK but they are professional, solid WRs, you know the kind of average guys the Pats won SBs with 3 times.

What you have is a well-overrated (and ofttimes overWEIGHT) qb who cannot execute the passing game of the west coast offense with the consistent precision and timing required. And that's at his BEST.

At his WORST he's a mental midget throwing horrific, suicidal picks that end seasons (00, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, and in 06 he cost them the TB game with pick 6es to Rhonde barber) or taking mindless, bald patch causing sacks waiting for a reciever to come to a standstill in his myopic field vision with no defenders within 20 yards of him.

He's got such a martyr complex I think he periodically comes down w/ stigmata.

Per renown Philly Talkshow host and former Eagle LB Gary Cobb his passive/aggressive (mock TO with the celebration, then verbally deny it; do a "praise AJ" blog full of vieled shots at AJ and the team, coaches and fans), woe-is-me act and his ill-timed lead balloon attempts at humor are about as popular in the lockerroom as bubonic plague.

PS had either Jeff Garcia or AJ Feely been under center in that SB The Eagles would have won it.

[Enigma869]

The defense is very solid and well-coached and Kevin Curtis is over a grand in yardage with another game to go.

The other guys are sorta just OK but they are professional, solid WRs, you know the kind of average guys the Pats won SBs with 3 times.

What you have is a well-overrated (and ofttimes overWEIGHT) qb who cannot execute the passing game of the west coast offense with the consistent precision and timing required. And that's at his BEST.

At his WORST he's a mental midget throwing horrific, suicidal picks that end seasons (00, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, and in 06 he cost them the TB game with pick 6es to Rhonde barber) or taking mindless, bald patch causing sacks waiting for a reciever to come to a standstill in his myopic field vision with no defenders within 20 yards of him.

He's got such a martyr complex I think he periodically comes down w/ stigmata.

Per renown Philly Talkshow host and former Eagle LB Gary Cobb his passive/aggressive (mock TO with the celebration, then verbally deny it; do a "praise AJ" blog full of vieled shots at AJ and the team, coaches and fans), woe-is-me act and his ill-timed lead balloon attempts at humor are about as popular in the lockerroom as bubonic plague.

PS had either Jeff Garcia or AJ Feely been under center in that SB The Eagles would have won it.

I get it JoePa...You hate McNabb, and I'm pretty okay with it. As I've said all along, I'm not the president of the McNabb fan club. I simply think you're delusional to believe that he is what ails Philly. I will acquiesce to you on the point that the Eagles have an okay defense. They're ranked 9th, overall in the NFL, so nothing spectacular, but certainly not horrible. The reality is that in spite of McNabb, the Eagles were still able to reach the Super Bowl when they had a talented receiver like Owens and were still a viable playoff team with Donte Stallworth!

As for the Eagles present receiving core, we'll agree to disagree on that point. I think that even the VERY average receivers New England won Super Bowls with weren't as bad as the Philly crew. I think these guys are way below average, and if I were a defensive coordinator, I'd be laughing, going against them! As for Kevin Curtis...He's a VERY average receiver, in spite of his 1000 yard season! A 1000 yard season means NOTHING in the NFL, with the advent of the 16 game season, in 1978! The reality is that there are presently 21 receivers in the NFL with over 1000 yards, and probably another 5-7 who will reach the mark! All it means is that a receiver averaged 62 yards a game...nothing terribly impressive! I promise you that if the Eagles had drafted Ricky Williams, instead of McNabb, the Eagles would be in worst shape, and Andy Reid would have been on the unemployment line, a VERY long time ago! But hey, at least you have a good Boston boy who owns your team, so it's not all bad


John from Boston

[Red13JoePa]

#1 I think he's far the only problem, but touching the ball every offensive play he is the biggest.
#2, yea they got the Supe as you say "in spite of him" but he pretty much single handedly lost the game for the Eagles with his picks and being too fat and winded to run an expidited offense in the 4th q when the Eagles needed it. He barfed on the field for chrissakes!!!!!!!!!! And true to his passive/aggressive-plausible denaibility-seeking nature he was able to deny and lie about it because it wasn;t on film (ala the Pam Oliver interview that he also denied).

Then the truth about Hank Fraley's (Eagles center in SB) assertion that he barfed in the Supe was confirmed last year, when on the very same field he barfed again after being called upon to move suddenly on like a 10-yard scramble because he was fat, out of shape and it was hot out. THAT time it WAS caught on camera.

I also don't think they should've drafted nappy headed Ricky instead of McChunk. That doesn't mean that he's not a seriously flawed qb in addition to being one of the all-time MONUMENTAL chokers.

[ScarabGator]

Thank you guys for reading my above reasoning statement and letting me off da hook!

[NealIsGod]

That doesn't mean that he's not a seriously flawed qb in addition to being one of the all-time MONUMENTAL chokers.

Then he fits Philly like a glove.

[Enigma869]

Thank you guys for reading my above reasoning statement and letting me off da hook!

Hey Scarab...

For what it's worth, I didn't let you off the hook! In fact, I was looking for that concession speech, so thanks for manning up I told you at the time of your prediction to step away from the crack pipe! It's not that I don't think an inferior team can win in the NFL, because prior to this season, the Patriots have won Super Bowls, being the inferior team. I just don't think Miami has ANYTHING! Jason Taylor is a VERY good player, in spite of being about 30lbs under size, but his best years are behind him! Zach Thomas is too old and simply can't play any longer! They traded away their only viable offensive weapon, in Chris Chambers, so I'm not sure where Miami goes from here. I think Ronnie Brown is actually a better than average back, so perhaps Parcells can put together a draft to build around his skills. I think Ted Ginn Jr. is going to turn out to be another Desmond Howard (i.e. not much more than a kick returner), so let's just hope for Miami fans that the draft next April turns out to be a bit more solid, for the future of the franchise. I suspect it's only a matter of time before both Cameron and Randy Mueller are on the unemployment line! I think Parcells will make or break the franchise with the guys he brings in to run the team on the field and the guy he puts in the corner office! Here's hoping you guys bounce back soon, because the AFC has been boring the shit out of me for years! We need some competition in this division!


John from Boston

[ScarabGator]

Thank you guys for reading my above reasoning statement and letting me off da hook!

Hey Scarab...

For what it's worth, I didn't let you off the hook! In fact, I was looking for that concession speech, so thanks for manning up I told you at the time of your prediction to step away from the crack pipe! It's not that I don't think an inferior team can win in the NFL, because prior to this season, the Patriots have won Super Bowls, being the inferior team. I just don't think Miami has ANYTHING! Jason Taylor is a VERY good player, in spite of being about 30lbs under size, but his best years are behind him! Zach Thomas is too old and simply can't play any longer! They traded away their only viable offensive weapon, in Chris Chambers, so I'm not sure where Miami goes from here. I think Ronnie Brown is actually a better than average back, so perhaps Parcells can put together a draft to build around his skills. I think Ted Ginn Jr. is going to turn out to be another Desmond Howard (i.e. not much more than a kick returner), so let's just hope for Miami fans that the draft next April turns out to be a bit more solid, for the future of the franchise. I suspect it's only a matter of time before both Cameron and Randy Mueller are on the unemployment line! I think Parcells will make or break the franchise with the guys he brings in to run the team on the field and the guy he puts in the corner office! Here's hoping you guys bounce back soon, because the AFC has been boring the shit out of me for years! We need some competition in this division!


John from Boston

I totally agree with you about Ginn, I hated him at Ohio State and I was in shock when Miami took him with the 9th pick. I couldnt believe they passed on Brady Quinn for this chump. The sooner Cameron and Mueller are gone the better.

[Moose]

Honestly, no baiting. I do know this stuff. I'm just trying to better understand the true representation of an Eagles fan's mentality. With McNabb, I'm just wondering if Eagles fans still believe choosing McNabb over Williams was the wrong choice? And, do you think McNabb is going to be an Eagle next season?

Anyone who knows the basics of football could tell you that in order to build a premier football team, you need a franchise quarterback. Even if Williams became the second coming of Walter Payton, the Eagles would have struggled. (Their QBs the year before were Rodney Pete and Bobby Hoying…ouch)

Mcnabb was the best QB in the draft, but as JoePa has stated, McHefty has come up small on way too many occasions. Of the three NFC championship losses, and the Super Bowl loss, you need look no further then number 5 for the root cause!

That being said, I have a feeling that Andy Reid will bring him back for at least one more year. It will be the last for both of them in Philly if they don't get it done in '08.

[Greg]

Honestly, no baiting. I do know this stuff. I'm just trying to better understand the true representation of an Eagles fan's mentality. With McNabb, I'm just wondering if Eagles fans still believe choosing McNabb over Williams was the wrong choice? And, do you think McNabb is going to be an Eagle next season?

Anyone who knows the basics of football could tell you that in order to build a premier football team, you need a franchise quarterback. Even if Williams became the second coming of Walter Payton, the Eagles would have struggled. (Their QBs the year before were Rodney Pete and Bobby Hoying…ouch)

Mcnabb was the best QB in the draft, but as JoePa has stated, McHefty has come up small on way too many occasions. Of the three NFC championship losses, and the Super Bowl loss, you need look no further then number 5 for the root cause!

That being said, I have a feeling that Andy Reid will bring him back for at least one more year. It will be the last for both of them in Philly if they don't get it done in '08.

Well having a franchise QB helps, but that isn't exactly the building block of a premier football team. I'd say you start in the trenches and work your way out. Certainly a franchise QB helps, but I've known one coach that won three Super Bowls with three different QBs. Only one out of those three would I consider a franchise QB.

In regards to the Eagles, like I've said before, all the Eagles needed was at least one consistent go to WR and maybe a dependable possession receiver. Out of the WRs the Eagles have had in the past several seasons, TO and James Thrash have been the best ones. But of course, James Thrash is not a #1 WR and we all know how TO can get. You could get Joe Montana in his prime line up behind center, and he won't win ya 4 Super Bowls with the no name receivers the Eagles have currently.

[Enigma869]

Okay...I realize this thread isn't about the Patriots, but I had to post this for all of my MR sports friends to read. You guys all know I'm as biased as they come, when it comes to Boston teams. Because of that, I found this thread from a fan who posted on espn.com a great read. A guy who describes himself as a NON fan of the Patriots! Finally, someone with some common sense

"you know, i'm not a fan of the patriots, and i find all this angst against them quite funny....and silly. i mean, this isn't like the early 90's cowboys and duke blue devil teams that kept winning had brash unlikeable players. this team goes out, plays like a group of professionals, acts like a group of professionals, and wins. i won't say every player on the team is a class act, because out 53 active players on a roster, there's going to be a bad egg or two at least on every team.

it kills me that a team could be hated so just because they win (and don't give me this spygate crap...that was overblown BS. yes he did it, and so has every other team and former coaches including greats bill parcells and jimmy johnson, who i don't like). i mean, i hated the '90s cowboys, and not only because they beat my beloved Bills TWICE!! in the super bowl, but because i couldn't stand half their roster (though, i did like and respect aikman and emmitt) and i couldn't stand their fans.

i don't care if a team keeps winning (well, i do because i'd rather it be my team, but hey, i am still a fan). if they're winning, it means they're doing something right and other teams need to emulate it. props to the pats and to belichek for turning a perennial loser in to a perennial winner."


John from Boston