JOURNEY "Back in the National Consciousness"

[Jeremey]

Jeremey, I'm sorry for what I'm about to say but it's what I think okay! I think unlike other posters on here you used this site to perhaps get on the Journey map, as a singer covering the songs I'd do the same. Keep plugging my band a little each month and so on....did JSS get in the way of you plans, I don't know, perhaps he did, did the carrot dangle in front of your nose, maybe.......post then, the day by day accounts of your meetings and auditions with Journey and the rest is history. I don't know what the fuck to think when I see your posts......it's a dog eat dog world (more so now) but at the end of the day has your involvement with Journey and your family issues started to turn what is a great career into a 'I'm not bitter' but I should have been....situation.

Dude, don't apologize for stating your feelings, there's nothing wrong with that! I am entertained, to say the least, by your post! I would be a very patient, cunning, and plotting man to have put that much time and effort into running off first Steve Augeri, then Jeff Scott Soto. I don't "plug" my band other than posting info about show times and links to videos, etc...

It was no secret that Journey and their management did NOT like me, did NOT like Frontiers, and made life difficult for us on several occassions. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought they would have even entertained the idea of talking to me. Even Wheels of Frye knew that! In fact, at dinner with Cain and Schon (oops, here I go being unprofessional and spilling out secrets again!) I said "I thought you guys hated me!" To which they looked at me funny.

Verrry interesting hypothesis...You make me sound like an evil villain though, so I'm not so sure you really believe this...In fact, a lot of this spouting off to me has begun to take on a strong air of bullshit....

I can promise you that if I was that clever and plotting, I would currently be in San Francisco right now recording the next Journey album. There's no way you would plan something like that for years and then let something stupid like having a baby get in the way....

[venomnation]

you are merely a parrot who isn't tall enough to even get on the rides at the state fairs you'll be playing..

Hey now....I saw them with Augeri at Wild Adventures....and that's not a state fair...it's a family oriented water park! HA! There's no reason to assume they'll get big heads and try to sell out...GASP....a state fair.....

[annie89509]

Man, stayed away for a few days and all hell broke loose. Guess Journey fans take after their favorite band. There's more drama here on this board than a barrelful of monkeys. You know what they say, nobody likes car accidents, but when you come across one, you cannot not watch.

[Behshad]

Man, stayed away for a few days and all hell broke loose. Guess Journey fans take after their favorite band. There's more drama here on this board than a barrelful of monkeys. You know what they say, nobody likes car accidents, but when you come across one, you cannot not watch.

Welcome Annie,
have a donut !

[Journey/Survivor]

When he was hired over a singer from a Journey cover band, he also had to learn to deal with an undercurrent of racism among some Journey fans.

WTF?!? This makes it sound like the hiring of Pineda over me was the specific motive for a racist backlash. That just reads way too fucked up.

Jeff moved on, why cant you !?:)

Exactly!!!

I wonder how many people on this site will be 90 years old and shitting themselves in a nursing home while bitching that JSS was fired from Journey back in 2007? And while that's going on their nursing home roommate will be saying "would you please shut the F up about that already, I've heard a million times already!"

Just to be clear, I'm NOT directing that at Jeremey. It's intended for those who just refuse to move on at all.

[conversationpc]

I see my other thread was deleted but this one remains even though the vitriol here is far worse. Carry on!

[Journey/Survivor]

The fact they are planning new music is good.

What the hell is wrong with you? Your actually talking about music here on a music website.

[conversationpc]

How noble of you to apologize to someone, just cause you got busted.

If he didn't apologize, you'd be busting his ass for that. He does and you still bust his ass.

[donnaplease]

This is f*cking CRAZY!!! I can't believe what I am reading here. So... my 2 cents.

I totally disagree with the things Beshad has said to Jeremey about his possible involvement in the dismissal of JSS from Journey. I have talked to Jeremey, and asked him point blank, and looked into his face as he told me that he was in no way, shape or form involved in that. However, that was between the two of them, and I didn't feel the need to interject anything (I don't recall interjecting, anyway). Lynn was definitely taking up for her friend, Beshad, when he & Jeremey were exchanging words. It was an unprovoked 'attack' (if that's what you want to call it) and it perhaps pissed Jeremey off. I can understand that. So he went to a private place and he vented about it. Quite colorfully, might I add. I had forgot about it until reading it here.

Just as I didn't interject here, I don't believe I interjected there either. He has every right to express his anger, just as Lynn had every right to defend her friend here. Was it mean? Perhaps. Men usually express themselves differently than women do though, and so I'm not surprised. It certainly was a side of Jeremey that we don't usually see. As to why nobody defended Lynn at the Annex, perhaps it's one of two reasons: maybe they agree with Jeremey, or perhaps they just didn't want to get involved in it. I do not believe Lynn is totally innocent when it comes to saying mean-spirited things about people at the Annex. Hell, we've all said things that we shouldn't have about people here and at the Annex. I was told by someone there recently (and absolutely NOT who some of you may think it is) that we were being trashed at the Annex by Lynn that very night.

The fact is that some of us who were once friends through either MR or the Annex are no longer friends, or perhaps are still friends but just don't see eye-to-eye or don't talk anymore. Many of us have gone our separate ways (no pun intended). Beshad had no business posting Jeremey's remarks here, it did no good for anyone and IMO it makes him look worse than Jeremey did originally, because now it has involved people that have no connection to any of it and should not be privy to it. Anyone that says they have never said mean or ugly things about others here is simply a liar and a hypocrite. All this "us against them stuff" should really just stop.

Anyway, I like just about everyone here, and the Annex folks are my friends, so I'm gonna shut up now. Lynn, I'm sorry your feelings were hurt by all this, and Jeremey, I hated all that shit that was said about you & Sabrina by a few people. I hope you guys can some how work this out. Beshad, please stop trashing Jeremey. I don't believe Jeff would approve, and I know how much you like and respect him.

[ScarabGator]

you are merely a parrot who isn't tall enough to even get on the rides at the state fairs you'll be playing..

Hey now....I saw them with Augeri at Wild Adventures....and that's not a state fair...it's a family oriented water park! HA! There's no reason to assume they'll get big heads and try to sell out...GASP....a state fair.....

Hey man, I was at that show!!!! Stormed like a son of a bitch that night!!!! But Journey put on a kick ass show there! Wild Adventures has hosted some big acts. Ive seen Brooks and Dunn, Rascal Flatts, Poison, Pat Benatar, Hank Williams Jr, and REO out there! Im living over near Albany right now, but Im a Florida transplant here. Hey Jeremey, fuck these assholes and their theories and opinions, who the hell are they??? Anyone whos ever talked to you should know you are a cool person, a very humble person and very respected by the majority of this board. Just ignore this shit. Most of us that have conversed with you know you are a genuine good person, screw those that wanna stir up shit. I cant believe this thread is still going this strong!!!

[StevePerryHair]

I was told by someone there recently (and absolutely NOT who some of you may think it is) that we were being trashed at the Annex by Lynn that very night.

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I trashed people at the annex on what very night?? And where? I don't post hardly at all, I use no chat rooms, and have very few "friends" around here which is more and more obvious every minute. I have no idea what this means.

[Jeremey]

I was told by someone there recently (and absolutely NOT who some of you may think it is) that we were being trashed at the Annex by Lynn that very night.

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I trashed people at the annex on what very night?? And where? I don't post hardly at all, I use no chat rooms, and have very few "friends" around here which is more and more obvious every minute. I have no idea what this means.

Come on, Lynn...Fess up...You were trashing the Annex in the Library with a candlestick. We know it was you.

[Onestepper]

What a great thread. Absolute Internet goodness.

[donnaplease]

I was told by someone there recently (and absolutely NOT who some of you may think it is) that we were being trashed at the Annex by Lynn that very night.

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I trashed people at the annex on what very night?? And where? I don't post hardly at all, I use no chat rooms, and have very few "friends" around here which is more and more obvious every minute. I have no idea what this means.

Come on, Lynn...Fess up...You were trashing the Annex in the Library with a candlestick. We know it was you.

I don't recall details, Lynn. I didn't really pay a whole lot of attention to it, but when I started reading this I remembered it. It's just another example that people talk. By your own admission, you don't like the Annex and perhaps some people there, and so you comment about it. I'm not criticizing you for it, I do the same thing with people I don't like. It's human nature. I'm just saying that perhaps your comments about the Annex may not be that far from what Jeremey was doing~venting a frustration or having a little fun at someone else's expense. Remember the "plan B" crap that happened right after South Bend? I do.

[StevePerryHair]

I was told by someone there recently (and absolutely NOT who some of you may think it is) that we were being trashed at the Annex by Lynn that very night.

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I trashed people at the annex on what very night?? And where? I don't post hardly at all, I use no chat rooms, and have very few "friends" around here which is more and more obvious every minute. I have no idea what this means.

Come on, Lynn...Fess up...You were trashing the Annex in the Library with a candlestick. We know it was you.

I don't recall details, Lynn. I didn't really pay a whole lot of attention to it, but when I started reading this I remembered it. It's just another example that people talk. By your own admission, you don't like the Annex and perhaps some people there, and so you comment about it. I'm not criticizing you for it, I do the same thing with people I don't like. It's human nature. I'm just saying that perhaps your comments about the Annex may not be that far from what Jeremey was doing~venting a frustration or having a little fun at someone else's expense. Remember the "plan B" crap that happened right after South Bend? I do.

Well, if you think I deserved to be called a fucking bitch and douchebag, whatever. I would have thought someone in the annex could have verified that indeed, I am not, and maybe, just maybe Behshad was a friend of ours and when I saw him being called things by Jeremey that were even more over the line than what B was saying about him, then I interjected. I called Jeremey "rude". And I NEVER called Jeremey any names. I posted in 2 threads, and only posted like 4 posts, none of which crossed the line Jeremey did with words. It takes a real man to go to a private site to use the words he did. Why not just do it on MR?? Because he KNEW that a lot of people here would not respect it. But I guess in the annex words like that are what gain respect.

[Rockindeano]

Lynn is one of the most sweetest women I have ever met. She has been nothing but kind to me and a lot of fun times. I am proud to call her a very good friend, and would help her in anyway she needed, at anytime she asked.

[Clasicrockldy]

I am getting so fucking sick and tired of this shit!!

For those who are/or where, members of the Annex. You all knew once you joined the Annex, there were certain rules that were asked of you to abide by. The biggest and most simplest one was to keep Annex business in the Annex. Even if you either were banned or left voluntarily, the business was to stay there.

What sickens me most is that former members think that violating that rule is ok once they are not members. You are so fucking WRONG in your thinking! Now I feel like my privacy has been violated, and I don't like that feeling.

If you have a fucking beef with someone here, take that fucker to PM's!! I am getting too old for this shit!!

[Jeremey]

Well, if you think I deserved to be called a fucking bitch and douchebag, whatever. I would have thought someone in the annex could have verified that indeed, I am not, and maybe, just maybe Behshad was a friend of ours and when I saw him being called things by Jeremey that were even more over the line than what B was saying about him, then I interjected. I called Jeremey "rude". And I NEVER called Jeremey any names. I posted in 2 threads, and only posted like 4 posts, none of which crossed the line Jeremey did with words. It takes a real man to go to a private site to use the words he did. Why not just do it on MR?? Because he KNEW that a lot of people here would not respect it. But I guess in the annex words like that are what gain respect.

You were wrong to get involved in something that had nothing to do with you, and I was wrong to be misogynistic and crude about you on a private site. Ive apologised about it...If all the whining here would just cease we could all maybe get something done here this evening! And I had previously tried to apologize to your buddy in a PM for taking him to task about things PRIVATELY that he had said to me PUBLICALLY and got a very cordial "Fuck You" in response. So sorry if it all just seems a little hypocritical to me.

[StevePerryHair]

Well, if you think I deserved to be called a fucking bitch and douchebag, whatever. I would have thought someone in the annex could have verified that indeed, I am not, and maybe, just maybe Behshad was a friend of ours and when I saw him being called things by Jeremey that were even more over the line than what B was saying about him, then I interjected. I called Jeremey "rude". And I NEVER called Jeremey any names. I posted in 2 threads, and only posted like 4 posts, none of which crossed the line Jeremey did with words. It takes a real man to go to a private site to use the words he did. Why not just do it on MR?? Because he KNEW that a lot of people here would not respect it. But I guess in the annex words like that are what gain respect.

You were wrong to get involved in something that had nothing to do with you, and I was wrong to be misogynistic and crude about you on a private site. Ive apologised about it...If all the whining here would just cease we could all maybe get something done here this evening! And I had previously tried to apologize to your buddy in a PM for taking him to task about things PRIVATELY that he had said to me PUBLICALLY and got a very cordial "Fuck You" in response. So sorry if it all just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Well, then all of your friends should have stayed out of that thread too Jeremey. That goes both ways. It should have been between the 2 of you, but it was okay for your friends to chime in and defend you? This is all ridiculous. What you said was cruder than a fuck you. Oh, but I wasn't supposed to see that. That's nice you apologized, and I hope it is sincere and not just a way for you to look good in "public", I really do. I jumped in that night because of your choice of words about Behshad. Just as you would have if any of your friends were being called "insane, crazy, is your home a mental ward...." and other things you said. You would have done the same thing I did. And all I did was said it was rude. I dont' think I was wrong. We can go round and round all night but this is accomplishing nothing. I have better things to do than sit here and do this, that's for sure.

[Jeremey]

Well, if you think I deserved to be called a fucking bitch and douchebag, whatever. I would have thought someone in the annex could have verified that indeed, I am not, and maybe, just maybe Behshad was a friend of ours and when I saw him being called things by Jeremey that were even more over the line than what B was saying about him, then I interjected. I called Jeremey "rude". And I NEVER called Jeremey any names. I posted in 2 threads, and only posted like 4 posts, none of which crossed the line Jeremey did with words. It takes a real man to go to a private site to use the words he did. Why not just do it on MR?? Because he KNEW that a lot of people here would not respect it. But I guess in the annex words like that are what gain respect.

You were wrong to get involved in something that had nothing to do with you, and I was wrong to be misogynistic and crude about you on a private site. Ive apologised about it...If all the whining here would just cease we could all maybe get something done here this evening! And I had previously tried to apologize to your buddy in a PM for taking him to task about things PRIVATELY that he had said to me PUBLICALLY and got a very cordial "Fuck You" in response. So sorry if it all just seems a little hypocritical to me.

Well, then all of your friends should have stayed out of that thread too Jeremey. That goes both ways. It should have been between the 2 of you, but it was okay for your friends to chime in and defend you? This is all ridiculous. What you said was cruder than a fuck you. Oh, but I wasn't supposed to see that. That's nice you apologized, and I hope it is sincere and not just a way for you to look good in "public", I really do. I jumped in that night because of your choice of words about Behshad. Just as you would have if any of your friends were being called "insane, crazy, is your home a mental ward...." and other things you said. You would have done the same thing I did. And all I did was said it was rude. I dont' think I was wrong. We can go round and round all night but this is accomplishing nothing. I have better things to do than sit here and do this, that's for sure.

"Insane, crazy, mental ward," versus "Liar, backstabber, cuckold..." Hmmm....Yeah looks like you picked the noble cause to be sure (sorry NC!)....Anyway, what some call "defending" was nothing more than people saying "behsahd, what's your problem, dude? you obviously have a hard on for jeremey." Didn't really see a whole lot of defending as much as rubbernecking.

Anyway, have a great night. I love the smell of napalm in the morning!

[strangegrey]

Shit for brains...good one. If we ever were to meet in a debate about something so banal as say overblown pre-conceived notions of self-worth, I'm of the opinion that I'd whup your ass.

Oh, here we go...another internet tough guy talking big smack from behind a keyboard. I'll repeat to you what I say to every other 10-ft-tall-and-bulletproof wanker that needs to compensate from behind a keyboard. If we ever met face to face, youd think differently. It's usually the idiots talking about beatings from the sanctity of their anonymous keyboards that are the biggest picked on geek losers that lost every fight from 3rd grade through to their first sanitorial job.

and to clarify... I wasn't talking about you...'shit-for-brains' was for Arnel. But given the fact that you took offense to it, who am I to argue!

Ugh, where do you people come from? do you actually get internet access from Neal Schon's dumpster?

[donnaplease]

Well, if you think I deserved to be called a fucking bitch and douchebag, whatever. I would have thought someone in the annex could have verified that indeed, I am not, and maybe, just maybe Behshad was a friend of ours and when I saw him being called things by Jeremey that were even more over the line than what B was saying about him, then I interjected. I called Jeremey "rude". And I NEVER called Jeremey any names. I posted in 2 threads, and only posted like 4 posts, none of which crossed the line Jeremey did with words. It takes a real man to go to a private site to use the words he did. Why not just do it on MR?? Because he KNEW that a lot of people here would not respect it. But I guess in the annex words like that are what gain respect.

I didn't say that you deserve anything. But it's not a one-sided coin. Just because Jeremey's language was more colorful doesn't mean that he had no right to be pissed. Everyone's line is different. You know that. We've spent enough time around Dean to know how colorful he is, but we also know that deep down he's a good guy. I can say that about Jeremey too, just as you say that about Beshad.

My point is that none of us is perfect. We all say things we shouldn't. I know I have and I'm certain you have too. It's not an Annex thing, or an MR thing. It's just a thing.

[chf34jmac]

Here's a really stupid question which begs to be asked of SPH and the others who continue this attack.

Why do you keep insisting that Jeremey apologizes only "to make himself look good"? Who exactly is he trying to impress? To my knowledge, he is already married so trying to look good for the ladies is moot. The Journey hiring is a dead issue so he doesn't need to look saintly for them. I just don't get it.

[strangegrey]

this has all been taken too far now, i look forward to Andrew taken this down, before the board becomes a shambles.

Before?!!? LOL!

[Andrew]

You are still crying over the fact that you will never be more than a tribute singer .
When will you stop whining and move on dude?

Beshad, I have warned you about this before. I think you are a top bloke, but dude...the Jeremey stalking STOPS HERE. Got it?

[Andrew]

If my holiday is interrupted by another thread of this steller quality, then people will be canned.

Honest to God, some of this shit here is like reading arguements from the 4th grade.