An Awful Lot of Arnel

by AR » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:00 am

Jeff isn't even sure of the true reason. Those fuckers still haven't told him. Classless pricks. And now they are using the same adjectives they used complimenting Jeff for Arnel. Everything they are saying is like deja vu all over again.

by **Rick** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:05 am

AR wrote:Jeff isn't even sure of the true reason. Those fuckers still haven't told him. Classless pricks. And now they are using the same adjectives they used complimenting Jeff for Arnel. Everything they are saying is like deja vu all over again.

Yep and it's fucking disgusting. They use people and throw them away like yesterday's news. Arnel would be wise to go ahead and smear on some anal lube.

by **Journey69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:11 am

So then what was the point of booting Jeff..That doesn't make sense..All they were going to do was be successful.. Neal is not going to frown on that..Hell they did Soul SirkUs together and got him to get into Journey for the concerts..It doesn't make sense.. There has to be something more.. Maybe it has nothing to do with music at all and its something outside of music..

by **Journey69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:14 am

strangegrey wrote:
Journey69 wrote:What's laughable,is that people are pointing the finger at Neal and or Jon for the departure(no pun intended) of Jeff.. I doubt it was the spotlight Neal was worried about..Didn't Perry always have the spotlight.I never saw any problems..I'm pretty sure its because they decided after they announced him as new lead singer that management wanted them to stick with the legacy sound. Its very possible,the guys still wanted Jeff in the band but the label would drop them.. Or we are all off base and something went down between them that we will never know about..

Oh yes, it was all Jeff's fault.

Your usually pretty intelligent,but your starting to drop off.. Where in my post did I mention anything about it being Jeff's fault? Or where you being sarcastic?

by **journey123** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:14 am

Journey69 wrote:So then what was the point of booting Jeff..That doesn't make sense..All they were going to do was be successful.. Neal is not going to frown on that..Hell they did Soul SirkUs together and got him to get into Journey for the concerts..It doesn't make sense.. There has to be something more.. Maybe it has nothing to do with music at all and its something outside of music..

We'll absolutely never gonna know the whole story about it.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:27 am

Rockindeano wrote:One has to wonder, with all the Arnel Fawning, and frankly, all the Arnel worship, I for one wonder if Neal will be pissed and run him like he did Jeff? Don't laugh, it has happened before.

That would be great. AP is so good that after every carnival county sing along, the press heaps tons of praise on Arnel, leaving Neal pissed. I am sure they will have a lock on his mouth, but a press review is not subject to the Journey PR machine.

That's pretty much what I've been contemplating all along. I'm afraid that the original Journey members and some of the Journey fans as well will get so fed up with all the bullshit over the internet and forums from these radical extremist Arnel spokespeople who are going too far with their accusations and such. That's what made me say earlier in the other thread that one of the things that may ruin Arnel's good fortune with Journey is these morons making a racial circus out of this entire deal. It would be this that messes up the deal, now if Arnel is shit hot out on the stage and does all the material incredible, I don't see Neal or any of the other Journey members getting upset about it. Arnel's the bridge between the band and the audience, if there is an incredible connection between the two, Arnel will simply be a reflection of the entire Journey band, if Arnel brings lots of attention to the group, it won't just be Arnel, it will be the entire Journey band as one. They have that bond, to be in a band you have to.

And about the "Grow up" comment that was mentioned in this thread. I think I read that comment somewhere but can't place exactly where it is I saw it. I think it was a comment that was supposed to be coming from Arnel himself. If so, I was pretty surprised to read that because that type of mood and comment is so out of Arnel's character to say. Other possibilities besides Arnel actually coming up with that statement on his own is 1) he has been told to say that, and 2) perhaps the reporter simply interpreted something Arnel had said as to mean that.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:29 am

journey123 wrote:We'll absolutely never gonna know the whole story about it.

May have been personal conflicts which they don't want to air out that laundry in public.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:37 am

donnaplease wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Journey69 wrote:What's laughable,is that people are pointing the finger at Neal and or Jon for the departure(no pun intended) of Jeff.. I doubt it was the spotlight Neal was worried about..Didn't Perry always have the spotlight.I never saw any problems..I'm pretty sure its because they decided after they announced him as new lead singer that management wanted them to stick with the legacy sound. Its very possible,the guys still wanted Jeff in the band but the label would drop them.. Or we are all off base and something went down between them that we will never know about..

for some reason i remember the story as : the label was interested in the jss version of the band because of the crowd reaction at the live shows... the label wanted jeff..

and..

as far as management... azoff was even thinking about flying out to meet jeff and see him perform about july last year , because everyone was talking him up so much.. just mowing over the fans and the critics.. even neal mentioned that the crowd was reacting to jeff like he was perry in the 80's or something..

So, Larry, what do you conclude??

hey donnap :wink:

.. ive met some really cool folks here because of the band,, thats all i know.. Oh, and JSS will have an album out soon,, hoping that will be solid! wish the best for arnel.. thats about it..

by **Journey69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:37 am

CalJams wrote:
journey123 wrote:We'll absolutely never gonna know the whole story about it.

May have been personal conflicts which they don't want to air out that laundry in public.

That's what I think also!

by **strangegrey** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:39 am

Journey69 wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
Journey69 wrote:What's laughable,is that people are pointing the finger at Neal and or Jon for the departure(no pun intended) of Jeff.. I doubt it was the spotlight Neal was worried about..Didn't Perry always have the spotlight.I never saw any problems..I'm pretty sure its because they decided after they announced him as new lead singer that management wanted them to stick with the legacy sound. Its very possible,the guys still wanted Jeff in the band but the label would drop them.. Or we are all off base and something went down between them that we will never know about..

Oh yes, it was all Jeff's fault.

Your usually pretty intelligent,but your starting to drop off.. Where in my post did I mention anything about it being Jeff's fault? Or where you being sarcastic?

The eyes should have given it away, fuck-o.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:42 am

Journey69 wrote:
CalJams wrote:
journey123 wrote:We'll absolutely never gonna know the whole story about it.

May have been personal conflicts which they don't want to air out that laundry in public.

That's what I think also!

uh,, guys this is a rock band.. rock bands live for airing out dirty laundry on each other.. we give them way too much credit .. as much as neal talks,, it would be out in the open fast!! and if it were dirty laundry,, the odds are that it would be on the side of the band ,, not jeff.. jeff is the one with nothing bad to say about the band..

btw.. bands fuss over 1) girlfriends messing with other band members,, and 2)money.. doesnt seem that those were ever brought up.. everyone is married ,, less neal.. and contracts were signed..

by **Voyager** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:46 am

Neal Schon has been divorced three times and he's divorced at least that many singers. I doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what Arnel's fate will be 12-18 months from now. I'm sure Neal has all the i's dotted and the t's crossed in Arnel's pre-nup agreement.

:roll:

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:50 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:uh,, guys this is a rock band.. rock bands live for airing out dirty laundry on each other.. we give them way too much credit .. as much as neal talks,, it would be out in the open fast!! and if it were dirty laundry,, the odds are that it would be on the side of the band ,, not jeff.. jeff is the one with nothing bad to say about the band..

Those are good points Larry, however. Journey is a household name and if they talk dirty,they will get away with more than a Jeff Scott Soto will. Jeff Scott Soto is in a position where he can't run nonstop smack because his name won't sell out Universal Ampitheatre like Journey will. He has to watch himself much more closely, and also, yes he is a classy guy. Let's not forget that. As I said before, If you take a look at all three singers, Perry, Augeri and Soto, you can clearly draw a contrast to those other guys.

by **ScarabGator** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:13 am

AR wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:
AR wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:
AR wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:If Neal does that shit again for any reason other than the return of Steve Perry then I am finished with them.

Bullshit. You'd support them if Osama Bin Laden was the new singer.

I am a Journey fan, thas obvious but this statement is fucked in the head.

No it wasn't. If Schon murdered a 5 year old wearing a clown suit, you'd still be 1st in line for tickets.

AR, you are a pretty decent guy but this statement is really fucked up and untrue.

Chill, it's an analogy/exaggeration. Much like most of what I post.

I know bro!!! I get a kick out of your posts! No harm done!

by **Rip Rokken** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:24 am

AR wrote:No it wasn't. If Schon murdered a 5 year old wearing a clown suit, you'd still be 1st in line for tickets.

And some attorney would argue that Schon didn't realize the dude in the clown suit was a 5-year old.

by **Ms_M** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:43 am

AR wrote:Jeff isn't even sure of the true reason. Those fuckers still haven't told him. Classless pricks. And now they are using the same adjectives they used complimenting Jeff for Arnel. Everything they are saying is like deja vu all over again.

All very true. Some of those adjectives I seem to remember hearing in '98 as well. You'd think they could get new material. :roll:

by **Rick** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:45 am

Ms_M wrote:
AR wrote:Jeff isn't even sure of the true reason. Those fuckers still haven't told him. Classless pricks. And now they are using the same adjectives they used complimenting Jeff for Arnel. Everything they are saying is like deja vu all over again.

All very true. Some of those adjectives I seem to remember hearing in '98 as well. You'd think they could get new material.

Agreed, they're pretty good writers. :lol:

by **CatEyes** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:45 am

Journey69 wrote:Its very possible,the guys still wanted Jeff in the band but the label would drop them..

ahhhmmmmm - what label?

strangegrey wrote:Oh yes, it was all Jeff's fault.

Now Frank - you know better than that - EVERYTHING is Steve Perry's fault!!

All probs Journey has with lead singers
All probs Journey has without lead singers
Krakatoa
Neal's ex-wives
The grassy knoll in Dallas in '63
The fact that Arrival was released
The fact that Generations wasn't

I bet he sits up at night with his little voodoo dolls of Friga and Fro and a big box of pins that Santa left him

:wink:

Cat

P.s. for those of you in doubt - most of the last part was sarcasm on my part - and firm beliefs on the part of others. We will hear from them soon.

by **Ms_M** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:01 am

Rick wrote:
Ms_M wrote:
AR wrote:Jeff isn't even sure of the true reason. Those fuckers still haven't told him. Classless pricks. And now they are using the same adjectives they used complimenting Jeff for Arnel. Everything they are saying is like deja vu all over again.

All very true. Some of those adjectives I seem to remember hearing in '98 as well. You'd think they could get new material.

Agreed, they're pretty good writers.

Maybe they need new writers, too?? :lol:

by **strangegrey** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:06 am

CatEyes wrote:I bet he sits up at night with his little voodoo dolls of Friga and Fro and a big box of pins that Santa left him

Sarcasm? Hell, what I would give for a big box of pins and those two voodoo dolls....

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:09 am

Journey69 wrote:Its very possible,the guys still wanted Jeff in the band but the label would drop them..

Without divulging too much, it is exactly the opposite. You figure it out.

by **Arkansas** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:18 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
AR wrote:No it wasn't. If Schon murdered a 5 year old wearing a clown suit, you'd still be 1st in line for tickets.

And some attorney would argue that Schon didn't realize the dude in the clown suit was a 5-year old.

But it was never the clown's fault anyway. He had some anti-social disease due to everyone laughing at him for the past 4 yrs. Schon not knowing that the kid suffered from PSCL (pre schooler's circus life) disorder, wouldn't be responsible either because this case would eventually go before the 9th Circuit, the most liberal court in the country, and it would be determined that no one was at fault because everyone could blame their problems, and thus the immediate issue, on some virtual patsy.

A month later, Journey with a new singer would be playing, and we'd all be in line to buy tix.

later~

by **bluejeangirl76** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:23 am

ScarabGator wrote:If Neal does that shit again for any reason other than the return of Steve Perry then I am finished with them.

This is a really interesting statement, and SG, I don't mean it to seem as though I'm singling you out for saying it - a LOT of people around here have said the same thing ever since Jeff's ousting... but since you brought it up...

I find it interesting that so many people feel so strongly about the way Journey continues to treat their members and staff, yet are willing to suspend the hostility in the name of Perry... and I'm not picking on anyone for it... not at all - I'm just sayng the mentality is very interesting to me. "That's it, fuck these guys... I'm done with Journey!!!!!... oh wait, that is, UNLESS Perry comes back..."

Does he really hold that much power with the fans or are we just aching for what we know we can't have? The whole thing is interesting. Personally, seeing a Perry/Journey reunion is not something I would even want to witness, given the long drawn out disgusting turn of events with this band, especially after Jeff's needless crucifixion. I think SP is better than all that bullshit and it would be sad to see the last shred of integrity go down the drain, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't go to the show. :wink:

As for Arnel... with the press having hold of it now, it will be interesting to see what plays out with the band. It's such a weird set of circumstances for a band like this, so the press reviews should be interesting. it's starting already... that one that was posted (was it the CNN one?) had a thing that said "weird journey"... and indeed it is. :shock:

by **Rick** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:27 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Does he really hold that much power with the fans or are we just aching for what we know we can't have?

BAM! Excellent question.

by **Journey69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:05 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Journey69 wrote:Its very possible,the guys still wanted Jeff in the band but the label would drop them..

Without divulging too much, it is exactly the opposite. You figure it out.

That is really stupid then..Why would they do that? You have to remember..You might have a good friend who you can leave a hundred dollar bill laying around and he won't take it,but will go after your girl..and vice versa..

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:26 am

Yeah, it was stupid.

Remember this saying on the Blog?

Journey management met recently with a major label who were VERY interested in signing them BECAUSE of JSS & all the excitement generated with fans & critics alike, to their amazement they learn that Jeff was dismissed.

by **Arnelian** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:50 am

extremist arnel fans.

Without them, the likes of them who had been booted out here, the derogatory remarks, slurs, and all sorts of uncalled for comments would not have stopped. If I claim to be Arnel's friend or someone who is close to him and I have seen the kind of remarks that have been deleted, locked, or banned in here, I wll be the first to defend him in ANY FORM OF ARGUMENT. Passivity is not a cure for aberrant behavior. Maybe, there is this race thing still going on in the other site because there are a few people in there who actually still in here who just won't stop. Don't blame the defenders. Blame the people causing it!

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:51 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
CalJams wrote:
journey123 wrote:We'll absolutely never gonna know the whole story about it.

May have been personal conflicts which they don't want to air out that laundry in public.

That's what I think also!

uh,, guys this is a rock band.. rock bands live for airing out dirty laundry on each other.. we give them way too much credit .. as much as neal talks,, it would be out in the open fast!! and if it were dirty laundry,, the odds are that it would be on the side of the band ,, not jeff.. jeff is the one with nothing bad to say about the band..

btw.. bands fuss over 1) girlfriends messing with other band members,, and 2)money.. doesnt seem that those were ever brought up.. everyone is married ,, less neal.. and contracts were signed..

Your right, but your also leaving out loads of other reasons as well like substance abuse by members and perhaps a sexual preference conflict. I think the members just wanted to give one another respect and not make it difficult. Sort of like if your boss fires you but then tells you that they will put in a good word for you if anyone calls for a reference. It's sometimes the adult way to conduct business and perhaps that's what happened here.

And Arnelian......Get the Fuck out of here before I piss down your neck!

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:29 am

Arnelian wrote:extremist arnel fans.

Without them, the likes of them who had been booted out here, the derogatory remarks, slurs, and all sorts of uncalled for comments would not have stopped. If I claim to be Arnel's friend or someone who is close to him and I have seen the kind of remarks that have been deleted, locked, or banned in here, I wll be the first to defend him in ANY FORM OF ARGUMENT. Passivity is not a cure for aberrant behavior. Maybe, there is this race thing still going on in the other site because there are a few people in there who actually still in here who just won't stop. Don't blame the defenders. Blame the people causing it!

Hi Susie. What crisis do you now have?

Listen up you dickbreathed pig. I am onto you as well as pedro and that no good piece of shit, Robbie. I will shadow you three collective turds and make your time here a living Hell.

by **strangegrey** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:04 am

Rockindeano wrote:Hi Susie. What crisis do you now have?

It's so refreshing to see Susie become a completely ostracized pig, just by being herself. I guess her true colors have rung through after all!

MR

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