Stage Presence DOES matter!

[Rockindeano]

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what a presumption. Let me tell you about working visa. Once you are granted a working visa, it stays a Working Visa untill it expires or there is aviolation of immigration laws. There is no one who could stop Arnel from jumping ship and be hired by any band if there is any band out there who wants to sponsor him. While he is here, he can marry a U.S. citizen (and many of his countrywomen would do that for this guy) and become a permanent resident-nothing that the JOURNEY camp can control. This is not about control. It is about music , artistry, and money too, but they all mess together, don't they? If anybody thinks this is a naive guy who has not seen a tall skyscaper then you are misreading the whole thing. If Arnel lasts even just for one year with this band and is then terminated, he is already an ICON in his home country, the magnitude of which is comparable to Elvis here in a lesser degree!

Do yourself a favour and keep your day job. The US Immigration office doesn't need you mis-speaking for them. Long gone are the days of marrying to gain citizenship.

OMG, and this line...Arnel in the Phillipines is equivalent to Elvis in America? OMFG, I hope you choke on your own vomit.

[Arnelian]

I said LESSER DEGREE! It is called a '"figure of speech".

"A figure speech, sometimes termed a rhetoric, or locution, is a word or phrase that departs from straightforward, literal language. Figures of speech are often used and crafted for emphasis, freshness of expression, or clarity"


YES. I am absolutely correct with the immigration thing. Call Homeland Security (INS)

[Rockindeano]

Lesser degree. Well using that math, I am Steve Perry, just to a lesser degree. And AR is Ace Frehly, to a lesser degree.

You are dumb, for certain.

[Arnelian]

wrong supposition. You cannot claim yourself to have the enigma of a certain icon. It is the group of people who embodies you with that perception. To understand what the new singer is about to accomplish in his own country is to understand the people. Look over the youtube and determine for yourself the support he is geting from his countrymen, it is very iconic. they are jubilating all over the world!

[Rockindeano]

they are jubilating all over the world!

What? What the fuck kind of weed are smoking, because I want some. He is awesome singer but come on, he hasn't sang a fuckin word, let alone a song yet. You are going to turn off many more than you help. Keep it up you fuckin spazz.

[AR]

Arnelian, you still haven't answered my question. Are you a fat whore, a fag, or Susie?

[Saint John]

Arnelian, you still haven't answered my question. Are you a fat whore, a fag, or Susie?

I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories but I have certainly noticed that "Arnelian" can write with some very impressive vocabulary at times and then the next minute make terrible grammatical errors. They almost seem like staged/intentional errors.

[Rockindeano]

I saw that too.

I am shooting first then asking questions.

[youkeepmewaiting]

I saw that too.

I am shooting first then asking questions.

Typical Americans

[strangegrey]

I saw that too.

I am shooting first then asking questions.

Typical Americans

Don't question...if it wasn't for us, your neighbor would be germany.

[AR]

I saw that too.

I am shooting first then asking questions.

Typical Americans

No, Americans have some logic despite our shitty president.

Radical Muslims typically chop the heads off of people for a god that doesn't exist. Someone please build some strip clubs, liquor stores, and porno shops in the Middle East.



I'm just a little bit fed up with the bashing of the United States. I know the post was said with a smiley though. No issues, just sayin'.

[strangegrey]

what a presumption. Let me tell you about working visa. Once you are granted a working visa, it stays a Working Visa untill it expires or there is aviolation of immigration laws. There is no one who could stop Arnel from jumping ship and be hired by any band if there is any band out there who wants to sponsor him. While he is here, he can marry a U.S. citizen (and many of his countrywomen would do that for this guy) and become a permanent resident-nothing that the JOURNEY camp can control. This is not about control. It is about music , artistry, and money too, but they all mess together, don't they? If anybody thinks this is a naive guy who has not seen a tall skyscaper then you are misreading the whole thing. If Arnel lasts even just for one year with this band and is then terminated, he is already an ICON in his home country, the magnitude of which is comparable to Elvis here in a lesser degree!

Do you even know what you're talking about? A working visa is contingent on continued employment. Journey could fire arnel and arnel would be required to maintain employment here in the states in order to statisfy the visa, or be forced to return to his home country. Sure, I guess he could go wash dishes somewhere in San Francisco....however, the point I was making was that there is an additional level of power that Journey can exert over Arnel...which is what Journey wants.

As far as comparing Arnel to elvis, you should be banned for that statement alone...but what that statement accomplishes, is that it proves your a complete idiot beyond any comparison known to man....

[larryfromnextdoor]

I saw that too.

I am shooting first then asking questions.

Typical Americans

Don't question...if it wasn't for us, your neighbor would be germany.

A Fish Called Wanda!!

[Arnelian]

Arnelian, you still haven't answered my question. Are you a fat whore, a fag, or Susie?

he!he! Susie could possibly be a fat whore fag; and since the "all of the above " choice is not available, i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!



St.John,
Thank you for the accolade! My grammar is not perfect. But editing makes it presentable at times. Oftentimes, i just type and send!


Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succumb to that.



THIS IS MY LAST REBUTTAL TO THIS THREAD. I am not having success in imparting my ideas.


YOU GUYS HAVE THE LAST WORD!


HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

[AR]

Arnelian, you still haven't answered my question. Are you a fat whore, a fag, or Susie?

he!he! Susie could possibly be a fat whore fag; and since the "all of the above " choice is not available, i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!



St.John,
Thank you for the accolade! MY grammer is not perfect. But editing makes it presentable at times. Oftentimes, i just type and send!


Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succomb to it.



THIS IS MY LAST REBUTTAL TO THIS THREAD. I am not having success in imparting my ideas.


YOU GUYS HAVE THE LAST WORD!


HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

You still haven't answered my question. Or maybe you have.......

[larryfromnextdoor]

i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!

hello arnelian.. i was just wondering if you knew of a program to get videos off of YouTube.. do you know anyone with some good Manilow videos also?

[Rick]

do you know anyone with some good Manilow videos also?

[Saint John]

i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!

hello arnelian.. i was just wondering if you knew of a program to get videos off of YouTube.. do you know anyone with some good Manilow videos also?

Check with Friga.

[AR]

i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!

hello arnelian.. i was just wondering if you knew of a program to get videos off of YouTube.. do you know anyone with some good Manilow videos also?

Larry, I know how to do it, but it is a major pain in the ass.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i was just trying to agitate arnelian... .. larry backfires again!!

[youkeepmewaiting]

i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!

hello arnelian.. i was just wondering if you knew of a program to get videos off of YouTube.. do you know anyone with some good Manilow videos also?

you can do it easily if you down real player.

[Lula]

i was just trying to agitate arnelian... .. larry backfires again!!

lol, you're funny

[strangegrey]

Arnelian, you still haven't answered my question. Are you a fat whore, a fag, or Susie?

he!he! Susie could possibly be a fat whore fag; and since the "all of the above " choice is not available, i am inclined to not give the correct answer. However, I am Arnelian!



St.John,
Thank you for the accolade! MY grammer is not perfect. But editing makes it presentable at times. Oftentimes, i just type and send!


Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succomb to it.



THIS IS MY LAST REBUTTAL TO THIS THREAD. I am not having success in imparting my ideas.


YOU GUYS HAVE THE LAST WORD!


HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

You still haven't answered my question. Or maybe you have.......

I didn't read a denial in there!

[Rockindeano]

Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succumb to that.

I would love for you to produce a thread or writing by me, where I wish Arnel failure. I don't know Arnel, but do think he has the pipes. I think you have me mixed up with someone else but consider yourself not on my radar..that's AR's thing. I am a much bigger hitter than AR is.

[Annexian]

Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succumb to that.

I would love for you to produce a thread or writing by me, where I wish Arnel failure. I don't know Arnel, but do think he has the pipes. I think you have me mixed up with someone else but consider yourself not on my radar..that's AR's thing. I am a much bigger hitter than AR is.

You are a bigger hitter in the Journey circle. We are equals otherwise my friend.

Ed

[wildone]

wrong supposition. You cannot claim yourself to have the enigma of a certain icon. It is the group of people who embodies you with that perception. To understand what the new singer is about to accomplish in his own country is to understand the people. Look over the youtube and determine for yourself the support he is geting from his countrymen, it is very iconic. they are jubilating all over the world!

All Over the World... stop it stop it ...your killin me here.... wow Lumpia festivals maybe big over there ...but here ...it's a different ball game...he may know his country men ...but this isn't his country,we expect a real show here.

[strangegrey]

wrong supposition. You cannot claim yourself to have the enigma of a certain icon. It is the group of people who embodies you with that perception. To understand what the new singer is about to accomplish in his own country is to understand the people. Look over the youtube and determine for yourself the support he is geting from his countrymen, it is very iconic. they are jubilating all over the world!

All Over the World... stop it stop it ...your killin me here.... wow Lumpia festivals maybe big over there ...but here ...it's a different ball game...he may know his country men ...but this isn't his country,we expect a real show here.

Plus, no fucking singer is going to come from any other country into this one and have a fat pig from west palm beach's sanitarium compare him to elvis without serious medical augmentation of reality. Susie's really gone off the edge this time....

what a dumb idiot...

[Arnelian]

Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succumb to that.

I would love for you to produce a thread or writing by me, where I wish Arnel failure. I don't know Arnel, but do think he has the pipes. I think you have me mixed up with someone else but consider yourself not on my radar..that's AR's thing. I am a much bigger hitter than AR is.

I was trying to converse in a general fashion and by quoting, at times, it does appear to be directed to a specific person. Let me emphasize that there is no thread in here that suggests you wanting him to fail, although the fact cannot be denied that some people here (not you for sure) want the whole Journey to fail-------irregardless.


HAPPY NEW YEAR. FOR YOU SOME GOOD STUFF. BAMBOOD: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ygGA8uNhLyQ

[Annexian]

Dean,
Why is it so abnormally acceptable here to plot a course of failure for someone than it is to propose a platform for success? If we entertain the idea that the presence of diction, or the absence of stage presence is the underlying determinant for failure, then it follows that ARNEL is headed to that direction. However, if we collectively, ignore that idea and just let the normal course of event decide, then a factor of success is present and very real.

Governmental policies are developed, cultivated, and then presented to the masses as the absolute truth by only a handful of great minds. This collective thought by the few serves as a thought monopoly to contain the collective thoughts of the majority.


If this board collective pursue a path of defeat for the new singer without opposition, he is doomed to fail. There has to be a thought process that entertains the idea of success to put a balance of thought to the fans out there. This "you are either with us or againts us" is a formula for defeat. I cannot in my conscience succumb to that.

Ok Wombat.

"AR" is banned but this shit is allowed?

Agenda? Azoff? Hmmmmmmm?

[Vladan]

although the fact cannot be denied that some people here (not you for sure) want the whole Journey to fail-------irregardless.

Well regardless what people want, you, or myself. But in terms of commercial success, Journey haven't made a stain in the music industry in well over 10 years, the last glimps of success was "When You Love A Women" from Trial By Fire, the only reason is - because of the most successful lineup returned. Schon, Valory, Perry, Smith, Cain. There is no other reason, other than having Perry re-unite with 4 other members who more or less put this band on the map in 1981.

I am looking forward to the new CD, as Journey know their glory days ended after the Raised On Radio tour, in their prime. It's already been said by the band, this new lineup will be a band paying tribute to the classic days, as Arnel will try "and sound as much like Perry as possible" because the fans and CD's recognize that. Hopefully this will bring them more success, but the problem is! something non of us can change... is that it is the year 2008, and this sort music is long gone. This new lineup will be a Journey tribute, nothing more, nothing less. Don't expect new hits or rave reviews on ET online, or anything like that. It will the same as it's been for the past 10 years.

Thanks for coming.