Journey and Perry...The Legal Stuff

[Red13JoePa]

Long and short of it, in accordance w/ Dave28's speculation model:

Band founder and leader/(de-facto?) majority owner Neal, ever-trusting and asleep at the switch allowed ruthlessly ambitious perry to wrest an alarming, eye-popping amount of rights to the band that he had no part in creating away to himself and as a result has had to damn near sell his soul to the devil to regain control of and continue Journey as he sees fit.

[Deb]

Long and short of it, in accordance w/ Dave28's speculation model:

Band founder and leader/(de-facto?) majority owner Neal, ever-trusting and asleep at the switch allowed ruthlessly ambitious perry to wrest an alarming, eye-popping amount of rights to the band that he had no part in creating away to himself and as a result has had to damn near sell his soul to the devil to regain control of and continue Journey as he sees fit.

Sometimes your twisted take on things can be pretty funny.

[annie89509]

JR, Herbie was a genius promoter, no doubt about that. He did made millions for the boys. But it went both ways, Journey made millions for Herbie, and now (or at least from his interviews which are several years old), he is spitting on them. I don't care how good a manager you are, you have to have the goods to sell, and Journey w/SP was magic. Herbie had mild successes with Santana and Mr. Big, but that's about it. He was going to be the next Brian Epstein (Herbie said himself "they could have been as big as the Beatles"), but instead his plans for them got derailed. I think ego contributed to the bitterness, also.

Anyway, I guess I'm slightly off-topic, lol. When "legal" was brought up, I thought about the song publishing rights. Someone brought up that Steve is only 1 of 3 songwriting credit, so maybe he gets outvoted? What about on the hits where he was sole writer (L-T-S) or 1of2 (OA, WCN, Lights, even SepWays, I think). It would be interesting to find out just what hits are being re-recorded.

[journeyrock]

JR, Herbie was a genius promoter, no doubt about that. He did made millions for the boys. But it went both ways, Journey made millions for Herbie, and now (or at least from his interviews which are several years old), he is spitting on them. I don't care how good a manager you are, you have to have the goods to sell, and Journey w/SP was magic. Herbie had mild successes with Santana and Mr. Big, but that's about it. He was going to be the next Brian Epstein (Herbie said himself "they could have been as big as the Beatles"), but instead his plans for them got derailed. I think ego contributed to the bitterness, also.

Anyway, I guess I'm slightly off-topic, lol. When "legal" was brought up, I thought about the song publishing rights. Someone brought up that Steve is only 1 of 3 songwriting credit, so maybe he gets outvoted? What about on the hits where he was sole writer (L-T-S) or 1of2 (OA, WCN, Lights, even SepWays, I think). It would be interesting to find out just what hits are being re-recorded.

I agree Annie, good point, two way street. And Herbie is an a** too, ego does funny things.

Hmmmm, I wonder which songs are being re-recorded too. That will be interesting to see if it breaks up along writing lines.

I understood that rather than getting outvoted, that all songwriters had to sign off, ie: Sopranos. It didn't sound like a majority vote thing. But I could be wrong.

[Red13JoePa]

Long and short of it, in accordance w/ Dave28's speculation model:

Band founder and leader/(de-facto?) majority owner Neal, ever-trusting and asleep at the switch allowed ruthlessly ambitious perry to wrest an alarming, eye-popping amount of rights to the band that he had no part in creating away to himself and as a result has had to damn near sell his soul to the devil to regain control of and continue Journey as he sees fit.

Sometimes your twisted take on things can be pretty funny.

Just simple math, putting 2 and 2 together over years of reading and observation of what's gone on, no attempt to amuse.

[Shadowsong]

In a fit of hunger
While eating an especially juicy Whopper
Herbie dropped some special sauce on his balls
& well the rest is history

[larryfromnextdoor]

In a fit of hunger
While eating an especially juicy Whopper
Herbie dropped some special sauce on his balls
& well the rest is history

can you actually pinpoint the day and time when the aliens took you over and sent the real shadow to mars?

[Shadowsong]

In a fit of hunger
While eating an especially juicy Whopper
Herbie dropped some special sauce on his balls
& well the rest is history

can you actually pinpoint the day and time when the aliens took you over and sent the real shadow to mars?

Actually it's always been Venus
but that aside



Can't a girl have a lil fun?

[sniper16]

were dealing with 3 seperate agreements, anyone can record anyone elses songs, standard songwriters rights apply(cheaper rates can be negotioted) band members enter into agreements over band splits,tour monies record/advance monies(not songwriter monies). i believe journey disolved thier partnership after ROR. to get steve perry to agree to the behind the music they agreded to certian things like creative control over the catalog. which ended recently. the names on the recording are just publisher names and can change depending on who the individual songwrites has control his publishing.steve would get royalties as a song writer for any recording but couldnt stopthem from from rerecording unless something was agreed upon. and i believe he would get a standard rate for preformance of song he wrote.

[bluejeangirl76]

I think one thing that's being overlooked here is the fact that a lot of those songs that Steve Perry "co-wrote" were "co-written" with one of two people (Cain or Schon) both of which are still active members of the band. I would "think" that would give the two of them the right to do with them as they choose...they're as much "THEIR" songs as they were Perry's....that's just my .02 though

Credit is still given to all parties when that material is used, except now it's credited to their respective publishing companies. For example, someone covers DSB... the liner notes will say "Published by Weed High Nightmare Music (Schon/Cain) and "Published by Lacey Boulevard Music" (Perry). Everyone is still getting their cut. As far as who gets to decide what is used and where... I don't know... that depends what the expired contract included - I was led to believe that was an agreement on what Journey could and couldn't do with the material that Perry was a part of. I'm assuming SP still has a say in outside use (movies, TV, etc.).

[PROPERRY]

Well I don't know anything about the legal issues, but I wish Neal & Jon would come to the realization on "their own" that the classic hits of the Perry Era does NOT need to be remade by ANY other singer. The classic hits songs sung by Steve Perry are PERFECT just the way they are, and shouldn't be remade by anyone else.

If Neal & Jon remake these classic hits songs with Arnel or any other singer, I have NO interest in it, the only singer that can sing those songs to me is Steve Perry!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

Well I don't know anything about the legal issues, but I wish Neal & Jon would come to the realization on "their own" that the classic hits of the Perry Era does NOT need to be remade by ANY other singer.

Never gonna happen. The only realization they've had is that they're only going to make money - decent money - off of the Perry stuff. And since they can't have Perry, they're milking the only other option - all of his songs.

[Ftloperry]

I read somewhere that when Steve Perry was officially out of the band he had all the songs he wrote and sang copyrighted. Don't know if this is true or not. I am sure they have a understanding and agreement between each other so that no one loses in this. After all Steve, Neal and Jon wrote some beautiful music together.

[squirt1]

RedJoe13Pa- May I ask your age? It is almost like you never witnessed Journey's history. Neal was kaput unless they got a singer. Even Neal says Perry brought all the success to the band.Neal has had his band back for 10 yrs and it has been one disaster after another. The crash will be way before 2012 , which will be the next Y2K.