JSS --> Arnel --> Stage Presence

[Rockindeano]

Oh, and for the record, when I was in high school I was the biggest Laker fan, ever. Had a Magic jersey, and would go to parties wearing it; can remember getting fucked up playing quarters. while wearing my Kareem Abdul Jabbar goggles. I was doing the "fake right, swing left, sky hook" quarter shots. Nailing them with ease. I was a Coop a Loop fan, and a Superman Kurt Rambis guy too. Dug the shit out of Byron Scott and his #2 guard play. Loved "Silk", Jamaal Wilkes and his 20 foot layup. Who could forget Mark Landsburger and Gail fucking Goodrich? How about Stormin Norman out of Duchesne. Loved Riles coaching, and even dug Keith Erickson in the Booth with Chickie Baby. Met Dr Buss and hung with Jerry West once for a game. I KNOW Laker basketball. I just spoke in code that only a true Laker fan would know.

[ProgRocker53]

Please try to remember there are 2 sexes in the audience at most rock concerts. Females are just as much visual creatures as males are.

Yes, very visual. And so far, Journey is exactly 50/50 on giving me lead singers I enjoy looking at.
The two with the S initials... not too shabby! The two with the A initials... not so much.

*ducks*

Hey, Gregg Rolie's kinda sexy. Where's his love?

[conversationpc]

Oh, and for the record, when I was in high school I was the biggest Laker fan, ever. Had a Magic jersey, and would go to parties wearing it; can remember getting fucked up playing quarters. while wearing my Kareem Abdul Jabbar goggles. I was doing the "fake right, swing left, sky hook" quarter shots. Nailing them with ease. I was a Coop a Loop fan, and a Superman Kurt Rambis guy too. Dug the shit out of Byron Scott and his #2 guard play. Loved "Silk", Jamaal Wilkes and his 20 foot layup. Who could forget Mark Landsburger and Gail fucking Goodrich? How about Stormin Norman out of Duchesne. Loved Riles coaching, and even dug Keith Erickson in the Booth with Chickie Baby. Met Dr Buss and hung with Jerry West once for a game. I KNOW Laker basketball. I just spoke in code that only a true Laker fan would know.

You da man...Those were the real glory days, better than anything the Shaq/Kobe Lakers put together despite the 3 championships in a row.

[Red13JoePa]

"Stage presence" is so abstract, intangible and subjective.

I don't really know (nor care) what it is, I guess.

All that beauty/popularity contest noise takes a back seat to sound.

But then, we are an ADD american audience, predicated on instant gratification, constant entertainment and zero downtime so it has to be all about being a "showman" to the SUV-driving soccer mom/yuppie crowds.

First note of a deeper album cut triggers boos and a stampede to the bathrooms and concession stands.

[bluejeangirl76]

Please try to remember there are 2 sexes in the audience at most rock concerts. Females are just as much visual creatures as males are.

Yes, very visual. And so far, Journey is exactly 50/50 on giving me lead singers I enjoy looking at.
The two with the S initials... not too shabby! The two with the A initials... not so much.

*ducks*

Hey, Gregg Rolie's kinda sexy. Where's his love?

Well, by calling him sexy, you just gave him his love.
I was going for the official singers... do we call Gregg "official"?

Either way, he was Journey's official pimp with those clothes.

[Deb]

Please try to remember there are 2 sexes in the audience at most rock concerts. Females are just as much visual creatures as males are.

Yes, very visual. And so far, Journey is exactly 50/50 on giving me lead singers I enjoy looking at.
The two with the S initials... not too shabby! The two with the A initials... not so much.

*ducks*

It's not even just so much in the looks. Don't hurt me, but look at SP.....he didn't have those chiselled Bon Jovi good looks....but he had a sex appeal and "it" factor far beyond. Both SA and AP aren't unattractive guys, but IMO they just don't have the sex appeal and "it" factor that SP and JSS do. Hell Perry is almost 60, isn't even entertaining anymore and he still exudes it.

[Rockindeano]

Oh, and for the record, when I was in high school I was the biggest Laker fan, ever. Had a Magic jersey, and would go to parties wearing it; can remember getting fucked up playing quarters. while wearing my Kareem Abdul Jabbar goggles. I was doing the "fake right, swing left, sky hook" quarter shots. Nailing them with ease. I was a Coop a Loop fan, and a Superman Kurt Rambis guy too. Dug the shit out of Byron Scott and his #2 guard play. Loved "Silk", Jamaal Wilkes and his 20 foot layup. Who could forget Mark Landsburger and Gail fucking Goodrich? How about Stormin Norman out of Duchesne. Loved Riles coaching, and even dug Keith Erickson in the Booth with Chickie Baby. Met Dr Buss and hung with Jerry West once for a game. I KNOW Laker basketball. I just spoke in code that only a true Laker fan would know.

You da man...Those were the real glory days, better than anything the Shaq/Kobe Lakers put together despite the 3 championships in a row.

My apologies. I forgot the great James Worthy. Big Game James was a favourite of mine. Remember he snapped his stick coming down for a rebound? Then messed around and got caught by his wife..his lawyer wife. Ouch!

[ProgRocker53]

Please try to remember there are 2 sexes in the audience at most rock concerts. Females are just as much visual creatures as males are.

Yes, very visual. And so far, Journey is exactly 50/50 on giving me lead singers I enjoy looking at.
The two with the S initials... not too shabby! The two with the A initials... not so much.

*ducks*

Hey, Gregg Rolie's kinda sexy. Where's his love?

Well, by calling him sexy, you just gave him his love.
I was going for the official singers... do we call Gregg "official"?

Either way, he was Journey's official pimp with those clothes.

Gregg sang lead on 90% of the Pre-Perry tunes, I'd reckon he was an "official" singer.

[Rockindeano]

Lula and her sister love Rolie. I don't get him at all. Singing Mexi tunes for a tomato sauce carnival doesn't inspire me. I hope Lora doesn't read this or I am gettin a spankin

[Deb]

Hey, Gregg Rolie's kinda sexy. Where's his love?

Lora? Sorry girl, couldn't let that one pass!

[Red13JoePa]

It's not even just so much in the looks. Don't hurt me, but look at SP.....he didn't have those chiselled Bon Jovi good looks....but he had a sex appeal and "it" factor far beyond. Both SA and AP aren't unattractive guys, but IMO they just don't have the sex appeal and "it" factor that SP and JSS do. Hell Perry is almost 60, isn't even entertaining anymore and he still exudes it.

Yikes.

"It Factor"s (don't get it, btw) and "Sex appeal" I can't believe we're all fans of this band and the vastly different reasons why.

[Deb]

Too funny Dean, we posted that at the exact same time.

[Rockindeano]

Deb, by sex appeal, and I'm not a fag, both Perry and Soto have something Augeri didn't...Confidence. Don't bitches love that?

[Red13JoePa]

Lula and her sister love Rolie.

Pfff.
No mystery there.

The Infinity sleeve doesn't lie.

Dude can play the Roland and Hammond without his hands touching the keys and then polevault right out from behind it to take a bow.

[ProgRocker53]

Lula and her sister love Rolie.

Pfff.
No mystery there.

The Infinity sleeve doesn't lie.

Dude can play the Roland and Hammond without his hands touching the keys and then polevault right out from behind it to take a bow.

LOL dude!

I'm laughing harder than Steve Smith after getting challenged to a drum-off by Mike Baird.

[Deb]

It's not even just so much in the looks. Don't hurt me, but look at SP.....he didn't have those chiselled Bon Jovi good looks....but he had a sex appeal and "it" factor far beyond. Both SA and AP aren't unattractive guys, but IMO they just don't have the sex appeal and "it" factor that SP and JSS do. Hell Perry is almost 60, isn't even entertaining anymore and he still exudes it.

Yikes.

"It Factor"s (don't get it, btw) and "Sex appeal" I can't believe we're all fans of this band and the vastly different reasons why.

I don't quite get you either JoePa, you make it sound like those are the one and only reason why any females are Journey fans. For most of us, it's about the music first. Talent and sex appeal don't have to be exclusive from each other. Please tell me there is at least one female singer or actress that you think is both sexy and talented. See watch, I'm a heterosexual woman and can fully admit that I think Nicole (Pussycat dolls) and Shania Twain are both very sexy and talented women and gosh I didn't have to go through a 12-step program to admit it either. Sorry JoePa, but my gawwwwwd! Men are from mars, women are from venus, and I guess we're just wired differently.........and that's ok.

[*Laura]

This whole thread is GAY!!!!

I think you were right.

[Deb]

Lula and her sister love Rolie.

Pfff.
No mystery there.

The Infinity sleeve doesn't lie.

Dude can play the Roland and Hammond without his hands touching the keys and then polevault right out from behind it to take a bow.

LMAO! Joepa comes in with a zinger. Almost spit my coffee out on that one.

[Andrew]

trust me, the backing tapes are barely on, those vocals are very much live as I mentioned, Deen is up there on the highs with me, Jon handled the mids & Neal/Ross had the lower harmonies, that was one that never needed backing assistance therefore their mixed quite low live.

Er, one second, JSS.

A very much In-The-Know fan stated above, in dogmatic matter of fact fashion, that those bg vox ARE prerecorded.

What're you trying to sell here, that being there makes you know more than some fans posting here? Come on.

LOL....classic!

[texafana]

I pulled away from the vocals at times where Deen sang unison (in music terms means the same notes as I) on certain songs, I would 'cheerlead' the crowd to sing by not doing so on the mic...have always done this on anthemic songs with any band I've been in, especially when the crowd knows the song as well as the creator. I listened to the clip & trust me, the backing tapes are barely on, those vocals are very much live as I mentioned, Deen is up there on the highs with me, Jon handled the mids & Neal/Ross had the lower harmonies, that was one that never needed backing assistance therefore their mixed quite low live.

Hi JSS - I totally understand that, it just "looked" strange because that's such a strong chorus and to have the lead singer not sing that part just threw me for a curve. But that 2nd part harmony really stands out in that vid and sounds very "pre recorded" perhaps there's some live note correction going on? In any event, thanks for putting your .02 in, very interesting!

But back on topic.. So for those bashing Arnel's stage presence, you would be cool to see him for the first time with moves like JSS in this vid? I have to admit I personally probably wouldn't be ok with it. The man has zero credibility with long term Journey fans, he has to win me over vocally first. Maybe in time he can come out swinging and it will look natural, but I tend to think if he comes out all energetic, etc, it may look fake. Kind of like Gary Cherone with VH.

[Deb]

Deb, by sex appeal, and I'm not a fag, both Perry and Soto have something Augeri didn't...Confidence. Don't bitches love that?

Yes, to a degree. But there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

[bluejeangirl76]

Please try to remember there are 2 sexes in the audience at most rock concerts. Females are just as much visual creatures as males are.

Yes, very visual. And so far, Journey is exactly 50/50 on giving me lead singers I enjoy looking at.
The two with the S initials... not too shabby! The two with the A initials... not so much.

*ducks*

It's not even just so much in the looks. Don't hurt me, but look at SP.....he didn't have those chiselled Bon Jovi good looks....but he had a sex appeal and "it" factor far beyond. Both SA and AP aren't unattractive guys, but IMO they just don't have the sex appeal and "it" factor that SP and JSS do. Hell Perry is almost 60, isn't even entertaining anymore and he still exudes it.

I totally agree with you. By "not so much", I just mean the same thing you said - It's "not there", but no, neither of them are unattractive. I'm still sticking with the S's in looks, appeal, stage presence and vocal styling because both hold their own in all departments without trying to parrot anyone else's style.

[conversationpc]

trust me, the backing tapes are barely on, those vocals are very much live as I mentioned, Deen is up there on the highs with me, Jon handled the mids & Neal/Ross had the lower harmonies, that was one that never needed backing assistance therefore their mixed quite low live.

Er, one second, JSS.

A very much In-The-Know fan stated above, in dogmatic matter of fact fashion, that those bg vox ARE prerecorded.

What're you trying to sell here, that being there makes you know more than some fans posting here? Come on.

LOL....classic!

I didn't get the sarcasm initially but, yeah, that is classic.

[Rockindeano]

Love JoePa's handle of the American grammar---What're. Dude, that ain't no word.

[Deb]

Love JoePa's handle of the American grammar---What're. Dude, that ain't no word.

And you're just as bad, using a double negative.

Gawd I gotta get back to work. It's been fun.....

[Lula]

Hi JSS - I totally understand that, it just "looked" strange because that's such a strong chorus and to have the lead singer not sing that part just threw me for a curve. But that 2nd part harmony really stands out in that vid and sounds very "pre recorded" perhaps there's some live note correction going on? In any event, thanks for putting your .02 in, very interesting!

But back on topic.. So for those bashing Arnel's stage presence, you would be cool to see him for the first time with moves like JSS in this vid? I have to admit I personally probably wouldn't be ok with it. The man has zero credibility with long term Journey fans, he has to win me over vocally first. Maybe in time he can come out swinging and it will look natural, but I tend to think if he comes out all energetic, etc, it may look fake. Kind of like Gary Cherone with VH.

i'm not clear on your point, if there is one to this thread. pineda needs to be himself, be it energetic or stoic. if he pretends to be something he is not it will be obvious and being disingenuous will not win over the fans.

[Deb]

i'm not clear on your point, if there is one to this thread. pineda needs to be himself, be it energetic or stoic. if he pretends to be something he is not it will be obvious and being disingenuous will not win over the fans.

Lu, great pic of Wyatt, you can soooo see his little personality shining out in pictures now. He looks great in red! I think he'd look adorable in a tiny red Flames Jersey.

[Vladan]

I pulled away from the vocals at times where Deen sang unison (in music terms means the same notes as I) on certain songs, I would 'cheerlead' the crowd to sing by not doing so on the mic...have always done this on anthemic songs with any band I've been in, especially when the crowd knows the song as well as the creator. I listened to the clip & trust me, the backing tapes are barely on, those vocals are very much live as I mentioned, Deen is up there on the highs with me, Jon handled the mids & Neal/Ross had the lower harmonies, that was one that never needed backing assistance therefore their mixed quite low live.

The man has zero credibility with long term Journey fans, he has to win me over vocally first. Maybe in time he can come out swinging and it will look natural, but I tend to think if he comes out all energetic, etc, it may look fake. Kind of like Gary Cherone with VH.

well the thing I find is that, Arnel hasn't done anything yet with Journey, they haven't proved anything yet. So it's all up in the air. Unlike Arnel you have your constant performer who has been around for seems a very long time, JSS has been floating about the music world and internet for years. I have not heard of the ZOO and nobody from where I am has a clue who they are, infact I don't think many people outside a small group on the youtube site would of known, so they are virtually unknown, as small cover bands are.

We know what JSS can do, we don't know what Arnel can do. Vocally, I find JSS better - reason, his pronunciation and the delivery of the vocals. I was out on New Years eve watching a band perform live at one the clubs we went to, now this guy was at least in his 40's, but his pronunciation was superb, I think I learnt a thing or two by watching that live performance, great voice and delivery as well. I feel Arnel has work to do, and probably will benefit from a professional vocal coach as well, if he's not doing that already. And that does not mean Arnel hasn't got a powerful voice, because he has a really strong voice! so it will only improve things.

[Red13JoePa]

Hi JSS - I totally understand that, it just "looked" strange because that's such a strong chorus and to have the lead singer not sing that part just threw me for a curve. But that 2nd part harmony really stands out in that vid and sounds very "pre recorded" perhaps there's some live note correction going on? In any event, thanks for putting your .02 in, very interesting!

But back on topic.. So for those bashing Arnel's stage presence, you would be cool to see him for the first time with moves like JSS in this vid? I have to admit I personally probably wouldn't be ok with it. The man has zero credibility with long term Journey fans, he has to win me over vocally first. Maybe in time he can come out swinging and it will look natural, but I tend to think if he comes out all energetic, etc, it may look fake. Kind of like Gary Cherone with VH.

i'm not clear on your point, if there is one

Well allow me to clarify, good Lu.

What this is is a rather sizeable yet passive/aggressive shot across the bow of JSS, first (lidicrously) indicating that JSS' personal knowledge about what the poster accused of being tapes was but 2 cents, ergo opinion only and then (incredibly)accusing him of lying about those 2 cents and the vox being real upon Jeff's clarification.

We then move onto to criticism of JSS' stage persona as being fake, by mentioning various traits JSS stage shows contain (without saying JSS did them) and hoping that AP doesn't do those things which Gary Cherone did in VH, which also looked fake.

The poster seems to think they're being cute, but would probably get more bang for the buck by just manning up and directly confronting and criticizing Jeff.

[texafana]

Hi JSS - I totally understand that, it just "looked" strange because that's such a strong chorus and to have the lead singer not sing that part just threw me for a curve. But that 2nd part harmony really stands out in that vid and sounds very "pre recorded" perhaps there's some live note correction going on? In any event, thanks for putting your .02 in, very interesting!

But back on topic.. So for those bashing Arnel's stage presence, you would be cool to see him for the first time with moves like JSS in this vid? I have to admit I personally probably wouldn't be ok with it. The man has zero credibility with long term Journey fans, he has to win me over vocally first. Maybe in time he can come out swinging and it will look natural, but I tend to think if he comes out all energetic, etc, it may look fake. Kind of like Gary Cherone with VH.

i'm not clear on your point, if there is one to this thread. pineda needs to be himself, be it energetic or stoic. if he pretends to be something he is not it will be obvious and being disingenuous will not win over the fans.

Well allow me to clarify, good Lu.

What this is is a rather sizeable yet passive/aggressive shot across the bow of JSS, first (lidicrously) indicating that JSS' personal knowledge about what the poster accused of being tapes was but 2 cents, ergo opinion only and then (incredibly)accusing him of lying about those 2 cents and the vox being real upon Jeff's clarification.

We then move onto to criticism of JSS' stage persona as being fake, by mentioning various traits JSS stage shows contain (without saying JSS did them) and hoping that AP doesn't do those things which Gary Cherone did in VH, which also looked fake.

The poster seems to think they're being cute, but would probably get more bang for the buck by just manning up and directly confronting and criticizing Jeff.

Jesus-a-Krist another king of all things "twist-fking-words". The only point I'm trying to make is, in the vid JSS is very animated, smiling, moving, etc, having a hell of a good time on stage. For those that bash Arnel's stage presense, would the kind of antics shown in the vid be ok with you, when you see him perform with Journey or would you come back here and bash him? I think Arnel's in a can't win situation, if he comes out and just sings his ass off, the bashers will bash the lame stage antics, if he comes out very animated on stage, he'll get bashed for that too.

Disclaimer: The lead vocal on the vid is obviously live. I'm not saying he didn't sing!!!! The background vocals, especially that middle harmony sound very pitch corrected or pre-recorded. JSS admits there was pre-recorded vocals, "I listened to the clip & trust me, the backing tapes are barely on". To my ears they just stand out alot in that vid. wtf...