With all this negative Arnel talk..

[Deb]

Vocals are very subjective, by person. Some may not agree with my favorite 3 vocalists either and that's fine. I can usually tell right away whether certain vocal tones are going to get under my skin and stick with me. 1) it has never been about range, even with Perry......personally it's not a big issue how high or low someone can sing. It's more about a particular tone/timbre and the delivery. 2) Sounding just like Perry on the old Perry stuff is actually what turns me off, there is nothing unique there and doesn't intrigue me. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great singer, just doesn't WOW me like the other 3. And 3) Same arguement could have been said about SP. That "Anyone into SP is not going to give JSS a shot period". Doesn't fly with me, I'm a major Perry fan and JSS is right up their in my top 3 vocalists now, so obviously there was something vocally unique and soulful enough to be there.

So very well said and I agree on all points, especially about not caring how high or low someone can sing. I think Arnel is great but there is absolutely no wow-factor for me there. I love it that you are an Eric Martin fan now, too. Talk about an underrated singer.

Can either one of you go one fucking post without mentioning Eric Martin, Steve Perry or JSS?

Just for that I'm going to mention EM everytime you mention AP. So back off baby!

Fair points, but stick to just the music. The rock and roll industry is a tough, nasty place. There are inherent risks when you join a band. Journey is an ever-changing entity and so long as you keep the music first and foremost, you shelter yourself from petty things that really don't affect you. If the new lineup interests you check out a show. If they don't, stay home, but don't let intra-band squabbles make your choice for you. You owe yourself more than that. You've been a fan too long.

You have a point, the industry can be nasty and you probably shouldn't base it solely on bad business decisions.....but we are all human, and it can be a hard when a band you liked and respected acts like a horses ass. Right or wrong, a lot of my musical enjoyment relies on the vocals. Especially first impressions of said vocals.

[Lula]

Anyone who is into JSS is not going to give this guy a shot,period..

complete rubbish!

Jesus, Lula. Hasn't Dean taught you anything? What kind of answer is "complete rubbish!?" It should have been, "That's complete fuckin' bullshit." Now go practice.

what about what Andrew said? "poppy cock" is that better?

[Saint John]

Anyone who is into JSS is not going to give this guy a shot,period..

complete rubbish!

Jesus, Lula. Hasn't Dean taught you anything? What kind of answer is "complete rubbish!?" It should have been, "That's complete fuckin' bullshit." Now go practice.

what about what Andrew said? "poppy cock" is that better?

In a homo erotic sort of way, I like it!!!

[Lula]

freak!!

[Saint John]

freak!!

BTW, sweet avatar.

[Lula]

freak!!

BTW, sweet avatar.

thank you, i like it too

[Lora]

Vocals are very subjective, by person. Some may not agree with my favorite 3 vocalists either and that's fine. I can usually tell right away whether certain vocal tones are going to get under my skin and stick with me. 1) it has never been about range, even with Perry......personally it's not a big issue how high or low someone can sing. It's more about a particular tone/timbre and the delivery. 2) Sounding just like Perry on the old Perry stuff is actually what turns me off, there is nothing unique there and doesn't intrigue me. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great singer, just doesn't WOW me like the other 3. And 3) Same arguement could have been said about SP. That "Anyone into SP is not going to give JSS a shot period". Doesn't fly with me, I'm a major Perry fan and JSS is right up their in my top 3 vocalists now, so obviously there was something vocally unique and soulful enough to be there.

So very well said and I agree on all points, especially about not caring how high or low someone can sing. I think Arnel is great but there is absolutely no wow-factor for me there. I love it that you are an Eric Martin fan now, too. Talk about an underrated singer.

Can either one of you go one fucking post without mentioning Eric Martin, Steve Perry or JSS?

Nope.

[Indyjoe]

Just for that I'm going to mention EM everytime you mention AP. So back off baby!

I picture your posts looking like something from Kevin Nealon's "Subliminal Man" from Saturday Night Live...

So, SJ I think that last (Eric Martin) year when I saw JSS (Eric Martin) he sang with such (Eric Martin) soul that I just (Eric Martin) couldn't help but (Eric Martin) think he was (Eric Martin) the right guy (Eric Martin) for Journey!

[Deb]

Just for that I'm going to mention EM everytime you mention AP. So back off baby!

I picture your posts looking like something from Kevin Nealon's "Subliminal Man" from Saturday Night Live...

So, SJ I think that last (Eric Martin) year when I saw JSS (Eric Martin) he sang with such (Eric Martin) soul that you just (Eric Martin) couldn't help but (Eric Martin) think he was (Eric Martin) the right guy (Eric Martin) for Journey!

[The Sushi Hunter]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

[Strange Medicine]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

[Saint John]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

And the board is a more peaceful and pleasant place because of it. Constructive criticism is one thing, but blasting on the guy when he has yet to perform a single show is shallow and mindless. Constructive, well thought out predictions would be OK, but over the top bullshit that makes the board's owner look like a zoo keeper is unwarranted and unwanted.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

You are pretty correct, but I always keep my guard up. They all seemed to relocate but then a week or so ago, something dramatic happened and they all came back here but sort of amended their previous stances a tad. Underestimation is the first mistake. Acting on that underestimation will be the last mistake.

[finalfight]

Just for that I'm going to mention EM everytime you mention AP. So back off baby!

I picture your posts looking like something from Kevin Nealon's "Subliminal Man" from Saturday Night Live...

So, SJ I think that last (Eric Martin) year when I saw JSS (Eric Martin) he sang with such (Eric Martin) soul that I just (Eric Martin) couldn't help but (Eric Martin) think he was (Eric Martin) the right guy (Eric Martin) for Journey!

Eric Martin looks like a cat.

[wildone]

freak!!

BTW, sweet avatar.

thank you, i like it too

He's the man !!!!Hey Lula my daughter thinks he's way to cute in that outfit!!

[brywool]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

YEAH!!! THANK GOD SOMEBODY ELSE IS CALLING THIS OUT...

[Journey69]

Anyone who is into JSS is not going to give this guy a shot,period..

Poppy cock. I'm JSS fanclub membr #1 and I'm giving him a chance....so there's that theory burried like an old pair of Steve Perry spray on pants.

Maybe not true,but sure does seem true.. If someone new came into this site and read all these Arnel hate threads and Praising Jeff,seriously,what do you think they would think.. I love Jeff also,but it is what it is..

[wildone]

Anyone who is into JSS is not going to give this guy a shot,period..

Poppy cock. I'm JSS fanclub membr #1 and I'm giving him a chance....so there's that theory burried like an old pair of Steve Perry spray on pants.

Maybe not true,but sure does seem true.. If someone new came into this site and read all these Arnel hate threads and Praising Jeff,seriously,what do you think they would think.. I love Jeff also,but it is what it is..

Jeff was fresh blood for the boys,the tranfusion they needed desperately,but they decided to go the "TRIBUTE" Route!They missed out big time!

[Journey69]

Vocals are very subjective, by person. Some may not agree with my favorite 3 vocalists either and that's fine. I can usually tell right away whether certain vocal tones are going to get under my skin and stick with me. 1) it has never been about range, even with Perry......personally it's not a big issue how high or low someone can sing. It's more about a particular tone/timbre and the delivery. 2) Sounding just like Perry on the old Perry stuff is actually what turns me off, there is nothing unique there and doesn't intrigue me. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great singer, just doesn't WOW me like the other 3. And 3) Same arguement could have been said about SP. That "Anyone into SP is not going to give JSS a shot period". Doesn't fly with me, I'm a major Perry fan and JSS is right up their in my top 3 vocalists now, so obviously there was something vocally unique and soulful enough to be there.

So very well said and I agree on all points, especially about not caring how high or low someone can sing. I think Arnel is great but there is absolutely no wow-factor for me there. I love it that you are an Eric Martin fan now, too. Talk about an underrated singer.

I fail to see what's so special about Eric Martin,he's good,but I'll take Steve Perry,Jeff Scott Soto,Lou Gramm and Joey Tempest over him without thinking twice!

P.S. Add Arnel to that list..

[Journey69]

Anyone who is into JSS is not going to give this guy a shot,period..

Poppy cock. I'm JSS fanclub membr #1 and I'm giving him a chance....so there's that theory burried like an old pair of Steve Perry spray on pants.

Maybe not true,but sure does seem true.. If someone new came into this site and read all these Arnel hate threads and Praising Jeff,seriously,what do you think they would think.. I love Jeff also,but it is what it is..

Jeff was fresh blood for the boys,the tranfusion they needed desperately,but they decided to go the "TRIBUTE" Route!They missed out big time!

Like someone said,they are getting up there in age and probably don't feel like going in another direction. It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

[wildone]

Anyone who is into JSS is not going to give this guy a shot,period..

Poppy cock. I'm JSS fanclub membr #1 and I'm giving him a chance....so there's that theory burried like an old pair of Steve Perry spray on pants.

Maybe not true,but sure does seem true.. If someone new came into this site and read all these Arnel hate threads and Praising Jeff,seriously,what do you think they would think.. I love Jeff also,but it is what it is..

Jeff was fresh blood for the boys,the tranfusion they needed desperately,but they decided to go the "TRIBUTE" Route!They missed out big time!

Like someone said,they are getting up there in age and probably don't feel like going in another direction. It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

SS wow that cost neil about 300 grand he had to write off!!Yah they could've started a new era with Jeff and should've,but the tribute band and sort of guaranteed money looked easier to grab and easier to retire on.It's all just $$$$buisness!

[larryfromnextdoor]

I fail to see what's so special about Eric Martin,he's good,but I'll take Steve Perry,Jeff Scott Soto,Lou Gramm and Joey Tempest over him without thinking twice!

P.S. Add Arnel to that list..

have you forgotten everything i taught you about making friends? geesh dude.. that is equililant to me saying to you .. " i sure dont see anything special with old trans ams... ok , they start and run,, but ill take a Z28 , RX7, or a 240ZX.. "

btw.. we are not friends, we have never had a discussion about making friends.. it is a light hearted joke...

[Journey69]

I fail to see what's so special about Eric Martin,he's good,but I'll take Steve Perry,Jeff Scott Soto,Lou Gramm and Joey Tempest over him without thinking twice!

P.S. Add Arnel to that list..

have you forgotten everything i taught you about making friends? geesh dude.. that is equililant to me saying to you .. " i sure dont see anything special with old trans ams... ok , they start and run,, but ill take a Z28 , RX7, or a 240ZX.. "

btw.. we are not friends, we have never had a discussion about making friends.. it is a light hearted joke...

Ok,fair enough,let me throw in the 2008 Z06 Corvette.. Myles Kennedy,lead singer Alterbridge! Guy is incredible,he ranks right up at the top..The last song starts with london bridges falling down,pretty cool..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRUpbkzEdrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnOXAjSHEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FBb5b9M2wA

[5KRunner]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

And the board is a more peaceful and pleasant place because of it. Constructive criticism is one thing, but blasting on the guy when he has yet to perform a single show is shallow and mindless. Constructive, well thought out predictions would be OK, but over the top bullshit that makes the board's owner look like a zoo keeper is unwarranted and unwanted.

Whatever Dan. You're a traitor and not to be trusted by ANYONE.

"It's a peaceful place" - That's very hypocritical. Considering you got arrested in Virginia for not being able to control yourself and your alcohol.

This place is peaceful now because if you do not toe the company line you're eliminated.

Sorry, I can come here whenever I want.

AR

[STORY_TELLER]

It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

My recollection is they didn't have a record contract at the time Jeff joined up and that they only attracted label attention in response to the positive reviews from fans and critics of Jeff's performances during that double ticket tour with Def Leppard. Neal was quoted as saying Azoff was excited and told them they need to get this lineup into a studio (or something to that effect).

I too was wondering/worried that a Jeff fronted Journey would be Soul Sirkus with keyboards. I didn't dig Soul Sirkus at all. Then I heard Winds of Freedom and I really felt Jeff's delivery. He really emoted those crappy lyrics. It would have been a true change in their sound for the better (as compared to the Augeri years). The band would have finally moved on from sounding like Perry's station wagon. The analogy I give is sort of like how Van Halen sounded different but the same with Hagar on vocals after Roth's departure. I really think Jeff in Journey could have had that same result (maybe not monetarily, but creatively).

Honestly, I don't think Neal and Jon have the stones to attempt to move on from what they were with Perry. They believe Perry was the successful ingredient and they just want to replicate it as close as possible.

[Saint John]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

And the board is a more peaceful and pleasant place because of it. Constructive criticism is one thing, but blasting on the guy when he has yet to perform a single show is shallow and mindless. Constructive, well thought out predictions would be OK, but over the top bullshit that makes the board's owner look like a zoo keeper is unwarranted and unwanted.

Whatever Dan. You're a traitor and not to be trusted by ANYONE.

"It's a peaceful place" - That's very hypocritical. Considering you got arrested in Virginia for not being able to control yourself and your alcohol.

This place is peaceful now because if you do not toe the company line you're eliminated.

Sorry, I can come here whenever I want.

AR

A traitor to whom...to what? To your imaginary/delusional beliefs that your site is relevant? Ed, instead of whining and complaining, just leave. Your "Na na na na na na, I can come back whenver I want" shit is laughable. You're a fucking 12 year old trapped in the body of a middle-aged man. Rather than telling certain women to get on treadmills you should work on your No. 2 pencil physique. At the end of the day you're a fucking geek. A low self-esteemed jackoff that has to brag about blowing loads in certain places to feel like a man. Then again, if I were built like a paper clip I'd probably do the same thing. I'll be in Cleveland for The Frontiers show in February...talk to me there fuckhead.

[Journey69]

Where's the popcorn emote..grrrr

[5KRunner]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

And the board is a more peaceful and pleasant place because of it. Constructive criticism is one thing, but blasting on the guy when he has yet to perform a single show is shallow and mindless. Constructive, well thought out predictions would be OK, but over the top bullshit that makes the board's owner look like a zoo keeper is unwarranted and unwanted.

Whatever Dan. You're a traitor and not to be trusted by ANYONE.

"It's a peaceful place" - That's very hypocritical. Considering you got arrested in Virginia for not being able to control yourself and your alcohol.

This place is peaceful now because if you do not toe the company line you're eliminated.

Sorry, I can come here whenever I want.

AR

A traitor to whom...to what? To your imaginary/delusional beliefs that your site is relevant? Ed, instead of whining and complaining, just leave. Your "Na na na na na na, I can come back whenver I want" shit is laughable. You're a fucking 12 year old trapped in the body of a middle-aged man. Rather than telling certain women to get on treadmills you should work on your No. 2 pencil physique. At the end of the day you're a fucking geek. A low self-esteemed jackoff that has to brag about blowing loads in certain places to feel like a man. Then again, if I were built like a paper clip I'd probably do the same thing. I'll be in Cleveland for The Frontiers show in February...talk to me there fuckhead.

Whoa Mr tough guy! Come drink our beer, pretend to be a friend, take advantage of someone and brag, get drunk and arrested. Yeah I strive to be like you.

[Saint John]

I have no negative talk (or feelings) against Arnel, he's someone I consider very important to my life. However, I do have lots of negative talk and feelings for those shitbag morons who are clogging up the forum with the race card horseshit!

Unless I'm mistaken, those rather narrow minded individuals have either amended their previous stances or simply no longer populate the board.

And the board is a more peaceful and pleasant place because of it. Constructive criticism is one thing, but blasting on the guy when he has yet to perform a single show is shallow and mindless. Constructive, well thought out predictions would be OK, but over the top bullshit that makes the board's owner look like a zoo keeper is unwarranted and unwanted.

Whatever Dan. You're a traitor and not to be trusted by ANYONE.

"It's a peaceful place" - That's very hypocritical. Considering you got arrested in Virginia for not being able to control yourself and your alcohol.

This place is peaceful now because if you do not toe the company line you're eliminated.

Sorry, I can come here whenever I want.

AR

A traitor to whom...to what? To your imaginary/delusional beliefs that your site is relevant? Ed, instead of whining and complaining, just leave. Your "Na na na na na na, I can come back whenver I want" shit is laughable. You're a fucking 12 year old trapped in the body of a middle-aged man. Rather than telling certain women to get on treadmills you should work on your No. 2 pencil physique. At the end of the day you're a fucking geek. A low self-esteemed jackoff that has to brag about blowing loads in certain places to feel like a man. Then again, if I were built like a paper clip I'd probably do the same thing. I'll be in Cleveland for The Frontiers show in February...talk to me there fuckhead.

Whoa Mr tough guy! Come drink our beer, pretend to be a friend, take advantage of someone and brag, get drunk and arrested. Yeah I strive to be like you.

See you in February.

[finalfight]

It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

My recollection is they didn't have a record contract at the time Jeff joined up and that they only attracted label attention in response to the positive reviews from fans and critics of Jeff's performances during that double ticket tour with Def Leppard. Neal was quoted as saying Azoff was excited and told them they need to get this lineup into a studio (or something to that effect).

I too was wondering/worried that a Jeff fronted Journey would be Soul Sirkus with keyboards. I didn't dig Soul Sirkus at all. Then I heard Winds of Freedom and I really felt Jeff's delivery. He really emoted those crappy lyrics. It would have been a true change in their sound for the better (as compared to the Augeri years). The band would have finally moved on from sounding like Perry's station wagon. The analogy I give is sort of like how Van Halen sounded different but the same with Hagar on vocals after Roth's departure. I really think Jeff in Journey could have had that same result (maybe not monetarily, but creatively).

Honestly, I don't think Neal and Jon have the stones to attempt to move on from what they were with Perry. They believe Perry was the successful ingredient and they just want to replicate it as close as possible.

Winds of Freedom was an embarrasment and didn't bode at all well for the future if this was to be a new direction. To be fair even Perry himslef coudn't have polished that turd!