With all this negative Arnel talk..

[STORY_TELLER]

It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

My recollection is they didn't have a record contract at the time Jeff joined up and that they only attracted label attention in response to the positive reviews from fans and critics of Jeff's performances during that double ticket tour with Def Leppard. Neal was quoted as saying Azoff was excited and told them they need to get this lineup into a studio (or something to that effect).

I too was wondering/worried that a Jeff fronted Journey would be Soul Sirkus with keyboards. I didn't dig Soul Sirkus at all. Then I heard Winds of Freedom and I really felt Jeff's delivery. He really emoted those crappy lyrics. It would have been a true change in their sound for the better (as compared to the Augeri years). The band would have finally moved on from sounding like Perry's station wagon. The analogy I give is sort of like how Van Halen sounded different but the same with Hagar on vocals after Roth's departure. I really think Jeff in Journey could have had that same result (maybe not monetarily, but creatively).

Honestly, I don't think Neal and Jon have the stones to attempt to move on from what they were with Perry. They believe Perry was the successful ingredient and they just want to replicate it as close as possible.

Winds of Freedom was an embarrasment and didn't bode at all well for the future if this was to be a new direction. To be fair even Perry himslef coudn't have polished that turd!

Well, I didn't say it was a good song. I said Jeff sang it with heart and I liked his vocal on it. I thought the melody was decent, but the lyrics fried any chance of it turning into something worth listening to. Still, if you listen to what Jeff did with Cain's melody, it should give you a glimpse of what might have been. That's what I was referring to with that example.

[finalfight]

It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

My recollection is they didn't have a record contract at the time Jeff joined up and that they only attracted label attention in response to the positive reviews from fans and critics of Jeff's performances during that double ticket tour with Def Leppard. Neal was quoted as saying Azoff was excited and told them they need to get this lineup into a studio (or something to that effect).

I too was wondering/worried that a Jeff fronted Journey would be Soul Sirkus with keyboards. I didn't dig Soul Sirkus at all. Then I heard Winds of Freedom and I really felt Jeff's delivery. He really emoted those crappy lyrics. It would have been a true change in their sound for the better (as compared to the Augeri years). The band would have finally moved on from sounding like Perry's station wagon. The analogy I give is sort of like how Van Halen sounded different but the same with Hagar on vocals after Roth's departure. I really think Jeff in Journey could have had that same result (maybe not monetarily, but creatively).

Honestly, I don't think Neal and Jon have the stones to attempt to move on from what they were with Perry. They believe Perry was the successful ingredient and they just want to replicate it as close as possible.

Winds of Freedom was an embarrasment and didn't bode at all well for the future if this was to be a new direction. To be fair even Perry himslef coudn't have polished that turd!

Well, I didn't say it was a good song. I said Jeff sang it with heart and I liked his vocal on it. I thought the melody was decent, but the lyrics fried any chance of it turning into something worth listening to. Still, if you listen to what Jeff did with Cain's melody, it should give you a glimpse of what might have been. That's what I was referring to with that example.

I really like Jeff's work but I just wasn't feeling it with Journey, even live. Great singer, great performer - onward and upward!

[wildone]

It was probably the label's decision also..How do you know the label didn't threaten to dump them? We don't know for sure,unless someone was in the room with them..Would it have really been Journey or Soul SirkUs..?

My recollection is they didn't have a record contract at the time Jeff joined up and that they only attracted label attention in response to the positive reviews from fans and critics of Jeff's performances during that double ticket tour with Def Leppard. Neal was quoted as saying Azoff was excited and told them they need to get this lineup into a studio (or something to that effect).

I too was wondering/worried that a Jeff fronted Journey would be Soul Sirkus with keyboards. I didn't dig Soul Sirkus at all. Then I heard Winds of Freedom and I really felt Jeff's delivery. He really emoted those crappy lyrics. It would have been a true change in their sound for the better (as compared to the Augeri years). The band would have finally moved on from sounding like Perry's station wagon. The analogy I give is sort of like how Van Halen sounded different but the same with Hagar on vocals after Roth's departure. I really think Jeff in Journey could have had that same result (maybe not monetarily, but creatively).

Honestly, I don't think Neal and Jon have the stones to attempt to move on from what they were with Perry. They believe Perry was the successful ingredient and they just want to replicate it as close as possible.

Winds of Freedom was an embarrasment and didn't bode at all well for the future if this was to be a new direction. To be fair even Perry himslef coudn't have polished that turd!

Well, I didn't say it was a good song. I said Jeff sang it with heart and I liked his vocal on it. I thought the melody was decent, but the lyrics fried any chance of it turning into something worth listening to. Still, if you listen to what Jeff did with Cain's melody, it should give you a glimpse of what might have been. That's what I was referring to with that example.

I really like Jeff's work but I just wasn't feeling it with Journey, even live. Great singer, great performer - onward and upward!

I went to see jeff in san francisco was a good show ,but durring the break he came out and started singing Journey tunes ...there was a few people in the crowd looking around saying "what the fuck is this we didn't pay to hear Journey tunes"But his own stuff ...well you all know how he is he gave a great show!

[Deb]

Vocals are very subjective, by person. Some may not agree with my favorite 3 vocalists either and that's fine. I can usually tell right away whether certain vocal tones are going to get under my skin and stick with me. 1) it has never been about range, even with Perry......personally it's not a big issue how high or low someone can sing. It's more about a particular tone/timbre and the delivery. 2) Sounding just like Perry on the old Perry stuff is actually what turns me off, there is nothing unique there and doesn't intrigue me. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great singer, just doesn't WOW me like the other 3. And 3) Same arguement could have been said about SP. That "Anyone into SP is not going to give JSS a shot period". Doesn't fly with me, I'm a major Perry fan and JSS is right up their in my top 3 vocalists now, so obviously there was something vocally unique and soulful enough to be there.

So very well said and I agree on all points, especially about not caring how high or low someone can sing. I think Arnel is great but there is absolutely no wow-factor for me there. I love it that you are an Eric Martin fan now, too. Talk about an underrated singer.

I fail to see what's so special about Eric Martin,he's good,but I'll take Steve Perry,Jeff Scott Soto,Lou Gramm and Joey Tempest over him without thinking twice!

P.S. Add Arnel to that list..

And that's fine, cuz I'd take Eric Martin's vocals over Arnel's without thinking twice.........so it all evens out.

[Rockindeano]

And that's fine, cuz I'd take Eric Martin's vocals over Arnel's without thinking twice.........so it all evens out.

Oh Hell no. Say what you will about Pineda, but he can sing Martin under the table.

[Andrew]

And that's fine, cuz I'd take Eric Martin's vocals over Arnel's without thinking twice.........so it all evens out.

Oh Hell no. Say what you will about Pineda, but he can sing Martin under the table.

Oh no no no...dude!! Martin RULES! One of the nicest guys in the business too. Absolute champ!

[Deb]

And that's fine, cuz I'd take Eric Martin's vocals over Arnel's without thinking twice.........so it all evens out.

Oh Hell no. Say what you will about Pineda, but he can sing Martin under the table.

Bah.......

[Deb]

And that's fine, cuz I'd take Eric Martin's vocals over Arnel's without thinking twice.........so it all evens out.

Oh Hell no. Say what you will about Pineda, but he can sing Martin under the table.

Oh no no no...dude!! Martin RULES! One of the nicest guys in the business too. Absolute champ!

[cyndy!]

i ♥ eric martin

[Rockindeano]

Sorry Cyndy, Deb and Mac, but AP is twice the singer EM is. I guess Lora is going to have to find her paddle again )

Deano is in trouble. CP, we will talk later! (No, no more dreams

[cyndy!]

Sorry Cyndy, Deb and Mac, but AP is twice the singer EM is. I guess Lora is going to have to find her paddle again )

Deano is in trouble. CP, we will talk later! (No, no more dreams

i can't compare AP to EM, as i've only heard AP through youtube. i like AP's voice, but i'll wait until i hear the new journey record & see them live before i decide whether i ♥ him or not. until then…
i ♥ eric martin
i ♥ jss
i ♥ steve perry

[Rockindeano]

i ♥ steve perry
i ♥ jss
i ♥ rockindeano

I love you too Cyndy.

[finalfight]

I'm with the big guy on this one. Eric Martin's voice is nothing next to Arnel's based on prior recordings. Whilst I do like Eric Martin's vocals nothing really stands out for me and I am hard pushed to remember the sound of his voice when not listening to something he has done. He also looks weird. No one his age should look that boyish!

Speaking of stellar vocalists i'm currently listening to Jorn Lande - that dude totally sounds like David Coverdale!

[larryfromnextdoor]

i ♥ steve perry
i ♥ jss
i ♥ rockindeano

I love you too Cyndy.

[Rockindeano]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

this one..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop- ... 84-3221439

[Rockindeano]

Yes.

[Journey69]

I'm with the big guy on this one. Eric Martin's voice is nothing next to Arnel's based on prior recordings. Whilst I do like Eric Martin's vocals nothing really stands out for me and I am hard pushed to remember the sound of his voice when not listening to something he has done. He also looks weird. No one his age should look that boyish!

Speaking of stellar vocalists i'm currently listening to Jorn Lande - that dude totally sounds like David Coverdale!

I found Jorn Lande on itunes,bought some of his stuff..The guy is stellar.. He sings a Whitesnake tune and totally nailed it! No one would know it wasn't Coverdale..So sweet!

[Journey69]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

LMAO..that was good..! Too funny!

[Saint John]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

Dude, this is the 21st century. Shave your nut hairs you fucking caveman!!!

[journeyrock]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

Dude, this is the 21st century. Shave your nut hairs you fucking caveman!!!

There really is NO need to go anywhere on a Friday night, except here to get the best entertainment around.

[Deb]

I'm with the big guy on this one. Eric Martin's voice is nothing next to Arnel's based on prior recordings. Whilst I do like Eric Martin's vocals nothing really stands out for me and I am hard pushed to remember the sound of his voice when not listening to something he has done. He also looks weird. No one his age should look that boyish!

I prefer EM's vocals, they have a more smoky, soulful rock tone to them. To each his own. Both AP and EM look very young for their age. EM is a nice looking guy.

Ahem....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4

[Saint John]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

Dude, this is the 21st century. Shave your nut hairs you fucking caveman!!!

There really is NO need to go anywhere on a Friday night, except here to get the best entertainment around.

Cheap, fun and safe...can't beat it.

[finalfight]

I'm with the big guy on this one. Eric Martin's voice is nothing next to Arnel's based on prior recordings. Whilst I do like Eric Martin's vocals nothing really stands out for me and I am hard pushed to remember the sound of his voice when not listening to something he has done. He also looks weird. No one his age should look that boyish!

I prefer EM's vocals, they have a more smoky, soulful rock tone to them. To each his own. Both AP and EM look very young for their age. EM is a nice looking guy.

Ahem....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4

Still nothing. Sorry. I maintain that he looks like a cat though!

[Deb]

I'm with the big guy on this one. Eric Martin's voice is nothing next to Arnel's based on prior recordings. Whilst I do like Eric Martin's vocals nothing really stands out for me and I am hard pushed to remember the sound of his voice when not listening to something he has done. He also looks weird. No one his age should look that boyish!

I prefer EM's vocals, they have a more smoky, soulful rock tone to them. To each his own. Both AP and EM look very young for their age. EM is a nice looking guy.

Ahem....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4

Still nothing. Sorry. I maintain that he looks like a cat though!

No biggie, we all have different vocal tones that we prefer. Meow!

[Rockindeano]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

Dude, this is the 21st century. Shave your nut hairs you fucking caveman!!!

I love clean shaven balls. I got so into it, I bought some Nair, lied to the clerk about how it was for the old lady, went home and smeared that shit all over my nuts, asshole region, upper thighs, you name it, my cock territory, everywhere. I sit back naked as a fuckin donkey, and start watching the tube. The instructions said to leave on for I think 8 minutes. Well, I figure the longer I leave this stuff on, the more hair will go bye bye, right? Wrong. About 15 minutes I feel this inferno burning in my asshole, and my cock starts crying out for a nearby lake to dunk it into. I was in trouble. I never read the part where it said to "keep away from orifices." No kidding. I ran into the shower and turned on the cold water and jet streamed myself. Lots of hair came off, in fact all of it did, but once the hair was gone, my area was red from skin burn. Looked like a red lobster overcooked in a microwave. It hurt so bad to move, it took me 30 mins to get from the shower to the sofa, nude, because clothes would hurt too much, and drain the lotion bottle all over myself. I literally laid in Jergens for the weekend. No, I was not able to have sex. One of the dumbest assed moves I have ever made. Couldn't even jack off, the pain was akin to OJ slicing the head off my penis.

[finalfight]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

Dude, this is the 21st century. Shave your nut hairs you fucking caveman!!!

I love clean shaven balls. I got so into it, I bought some Nair, lied to the clerk about how it was for the old lady, went home and smeared that shit all over my nuts, asshole region, upper thighs, you name it, my cock territory, everywhere. I sit back naked as a fuckin donkey, and start watching the tube. The instructions said to leave on for I think 8 minutes. Well, I figure the longer I leave this stuff on, the more hair will go bye bye, right? Wrong. About 15 minutes I feel this inferno burning in my asshole, and my cock starts crying out for a nearby lake to dunk it into. I was in trouble. I never read the part where it said to "keep away from orifices." No kidding. I ran into the shower and turned on the cold water and jet streamed myself. Lots of hair came off, in fact all of it did, but once the hair was gone, my area was red from skin burn. Looked like a red lobster overcooked in a microwave. It hurt so bad to move, it took me 30 mins to get from the shower to the sofa, nude, because clothes would hurt too much, and drain the lotion bottle all over myself. I literally laid in Jergens for the weekend. No, I was not able to have sex. One of the dumbest assed moves I have ever made. Couldn't even jack off, the pain was akin to OJ slicing the head off my penis.

Please STOP, I am hurting so much from laughing right now!

I can feel your pain!

[Rockindeano]

Was not funny at all. In fact I wished I was a chick and had no penis that weekend. Please, lobby Congress to ban that shit! Dangerous.

[Saint John]

I'm in tears.....I "couldn't even jack off."

[Deb]

Tonight I heard the greatest vocal of my lifetime.

Leanne Rymes singing Unchained Melody, at 15 yrs old.

The hair on my balls stood up.

Dude, this is the 21st century. Shave your nut hairs you fucking caveman!!!

I love clean shaven balls. I got so into it, I bought some Nair, lied to the clerk about how it was for the old lady, went home and smeared that shit all over my nuts, asshole region, upper thighs, you name it, my cock territory, everywhere. I sit back naked as a fuckin donkey, and start watching the tube. The instructions said to leave on for I think 8 minutes. Well, I figure the longer I leave this stuff on, the more hair will go bye bye, right? Wrong. About 15 minutes I feel this inferno burning in my asshole, and my cock starts crying out for a nearby lake to dunk it into. I was in trouble. I never read the part where it said to "keep away from orifices." No kidding. I ran into the shower and turned on the cold water and jet streamed myself. Lots of hair came off, in fact all of it did, but once the hair was gone, my area was red from skin burn. Looked like a red lobster overcooked in a microwave. It hurt so bad to move, it took me 30 mins to get from the shower to the sofa, nude, because clothes would hurt too much, and drain the lotion bottle all over myself. I literally laid in Jergens for the weekend. No, I was not able to have sex. One of the dumbest assed moves I have ever made. Couldn't even jack off, the pain was akin to OJ slicing the head off my penis.

OMG! LMFAO!