Out of Harms Way and Generations

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

I agree...I liked Generations..Leave off Jon's,Neals,and Ross's songs and it would be even better! Also,people bash the production quality,look at Frontiers,the production quality on that album sucks!

ummmmmmmmmm......... my favorites are Self Defense and Gone Crazy besides FITH and OOHW.

[Journey/Survivor]

The album is good as is, and it could've been so much better if a few certain steps were taken:




1. No vocalists other than Augeri and Deen (Even though I personally enjoy Neal and Friga's voices, actually)

2. Better overall production

3. Trim off "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)", "Believe," "Knowing that You Love Me"

4. Put in an extra rocker or two, I'm sure Neal still has plenty of Soul SirkUS/Planet US leftovers, or maybe a Journeyed adaptation of one of his "I ON U" tracks

5. Maybe adjust the track order so people aren't intimidated by two songs with "Heart" in the title starting out the CD



With these steps followed it would've been the best Journey release since Frontiers. I really loved the urgent, spacey feel of the Generations record and loved the fact that Neal and Deen were the stars.

I agree with most of what you said.

In many ways Augeri and Castronovo should have been the only lead vocalists on the album. But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then. And Valory's voice fit the song he sang really well.

I don't have a real problem with the production on Generations, IMO it's better produced than Arrival and Red 13 and probably even better than Trial By Fire.

Butterfly is my least favorite song on the album. Other than the fact that "Believe" is to repetitive at the end of the song it's still a pretty good song. And I can live with the song "Knowing That You Love Me."

IMO Generations is the best Journey album since Frontiers.

[Red13JoePa]

But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then.

Every Generation is one of the best songs recorded by that lineup. It's not MERELY about Cain's singing, check the guitars out. Spectacular on that track, very good interplay w/ The Whale, too.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then.

Every Generation is one of the best songs recorded by that lineup. It's not MERELY about Cain's singing, check the guitars out. Spectacular on that track, very good interplay w/ The Whale, too.

exactly.

it's just good stuff.

[xflajrnylvr]

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

I missed that LOL he must have been sitting behind me

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

I missed that LOL he must have been sitting behind me

ya mean behind us??? DrFU, did you hear it? stupid indoor venue. no standing up. and also Layton's friend was behind us and he couldn't stand up.

'cept Crazy4Ross. you never did sit, did ya barb?

[Lady Luck]

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

I missed that LOL he must have been sitting behind me

He was about 5-6 rows behind us and we were pretty far back...row V I think.

Debbie, we were asked a few times by the people behind us to sit down, but we kept standing. I think they gave up. Then some stupid broad kept walking in and out while I was trying to record Deen singing "Still They Ride"...pissed me off!

[Ratgirl]

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

i dont remember that!

Yeah, I was always yelling at the Frig. He always looked up too, like he was supposed to or something. In Orlando, I yelled at the Frig and he damn near fucked up DSB.

LOL!!!
I couldnt remember if that was Orlando or Clearwater, I remember you yelling his name out and he had a WTF kind of look on his face.

[Deb]

I like a few off of Generations, my favorite is definitely A Better Life.

[FormerJrnyFan]

I like a few off of Generations, my favorite is definitely A Better Life.

Three or four good songs, yes... can't stand Ross or Friga on lead vocals though!

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Many of those are superior to tracks already found on Essential.
'Generations' has several great tracks, it's just overshadowed by the mediocrity.

Neal outsourced all his best hooks to SoulSirkus, and I get the feeling he wasn't all that vested in "Generations" after going into the studio and laying down his part.
Hopefully, he gives a shit this time out.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then.

Every Generation is one of the best songs recorded by that lineup. It's not MERELY about Cain's singing, check the guitars out. Spectacular on that track, very good interplay w/ The Whale, too.

I agree with Jeremey's analysis. It had potential to be a great track, but ultimately, succumbs to creative laziness with its "Na-Na-Na" copout ending. Still, some great stuff there (Cain's voice not particularly among them).

[Red13JoePa]

But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then.

Every Generation is one of the best songs recorded by that lineup. It's not MERELY about Cain's singing, check the guitars out. Spectacular on that track, very good interplay w/ The Whale, too.

I agree with Jeremey's analysis. It had potential to be a great track, but ultimately, succumbs to lyrical laziness with its "Na-Na-Na" copout ending. Still, some great stuff there (Cain's voice not particularly among them).

Kinda.
Sorta like Lifetime Of Dreams.
I cringe whenver I hear that big cheesy, loud unison "BABAHEY!" after "when I look in your eyes."

Such a Nealism, too.

PS, dude, listening to Tall Stories yesterday and for the first time heard your "Mustang!" Augeri callout in Wild On The Run

[mistiejourney]

If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

I really, truly enjoy those four songs and many people I have discussed Generations with likes those as well. How do those four songs suck anyway? Besides, a "general buying public" shouldn't dictate how good certain songs are. "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, but 90% of people who call themselves Journey fans have never heard it. That makes me sad.

Okay, just out of curiosity, what, in your opinion DOES dictate how good certain songs or an album is? I always thought that was the measurement of gold, platinum, etc. And, if "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, why wasn't IT used on the Sopranos or for that matter, everywhere else, these days?

Simple- Because LITF lacks catchy hooks and isn't commercially accessible at all, while DSB is one of Journey's "hit single" songs.

If the general buying public, hit singles, mainstreamness, and all that shit determines how good an artist, album, or song is....

....then groups and singers like Vanilla Ice, The Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Insane Clown Posse, Nickelback, Simple Plan, and Toby Keith are better and more credible than groups and singers like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, King Crimson, Jeff Scott Soto and Talisman, Marillion, King's X, Camel, Mew, and so on. LOL.

I think the Backstreet Boys have wonderful harmonies. Oh, and Kevin Richardson. 'Nuff said

[jrnyman28]

I don't have a real problem with the production on Generations, IMO it's better produced than Arrival and Red 13 and probably even better than Trial By Fire.

Butterfly is my least favorite song on the album. Other than the fact that "Believe" is to repetitive at the end of the song it's still a pretty good song. And I can live with the song "Knowing That You Love Me."

IMO Generations is the best Journey album since Frontiers.

OK, the TBF comment is ridiculous though I agree with the rest. Production has plagued the band since they got back together. Arrival was good but the vocals were way too "behind" the instruments. But the instruments sound great! Red13 is very raw. I love it, but I had to get used to it. Generations finally brought the vocals up more but the instruments were a little less "clean".

I can handle the multiple vocalists but I don't think they should have all done one on THE SAME CD! And sadly Steve's "solo" songs needed a little help. They just didn't seem to go anywhere...but then, neither did Better Life.

[jrnyman28]

If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Many of those are superior to tracks already found on Essential.
'Generations' has several great tracks, it's just overshadowed by the mediocrity.

Neal outsourced all his best hooks to SoulSirkus, and I get the feeling he wasn't all that vested in "Generations" after going into the studio and laying down his part.
Hopefully, he gives a shit this time out.

SO TRUE on both counts!!

[jrnyman28]

But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then.

Every Generation is one of the best songs recorded by that lineup. It's not MERELY about Cain's singing, check the guitars out. Spectacular on that track, very good interplay w/ The Whale, too.

I agree with Jeremey's analysis. It had potential to be a great track, but ultimately, succumbs to creative laziness with its "Na-Na-Na" copout ending. Still, some great stuff there (Cain's voice not particularly among them).

I thought there was a huge potential for a single with that song, especially due to the lyrics. But it just kept dragging on. Half of Generations seems to get bogged down by repetitiveness. I think it may have been a vehicle to give Neal a little more room, and while Neal may shine the songs suffered for it.

[jrnyman28]

PS, dude, listening to Tall Stories yesterday and for the first time heard your "Mustang!" Augeri callout in Wild On The Run

Once you hear 'em you'll never miss 'em again!

[jrnyman28]

Oh, and Kevin Richardson. 'Nuff said [/size]

He was the OLD one wasn't he?!?!!?

[Red13JoePa]

But I too like Cain and Schon's singing every now and then.

Every Generation is one of the best songs recorded by that lineup. It's not MERELY about Cain's singing, check the guitars out. Spectacular on that track, very good interplay w/ The Whale, too.

I agree with Jeremey's analysis. It had potential to be a great track, but ultimately, succumbs to creative laziness with its "Na-Na-Na" copout ending. Still, some great stuff there (Cain's voice not particularly among them).

I thought there was a huge potential for a single with that song, especially due to the lyrics. But it just kept dragging on. Half of Generations seems to get bogged down by repetitiveness. I think it may have been a vehicle to give Neal a little more room, and while Neal may shine the songs suffered for it.

Definately an album track only.
The drag on effect (which I have no problem with, clearly not aiming to get them on radio) happened in FITH, ABL, Bfly, EG.

I think FITH got the second most airply, behind TPIYH, in an edited for radio version.

TPIYH was edited for radio, too, though I don't get why. It was already pretty economical.

[jrnyman28]

TPIYH was edited for radio, too, though I don't get why. It was already pretty economical.

Same reason Higher Place was edited for radio....somebody thinks radio doesn't want guitar solos...

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

[Crazy4Ross]

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

I missed that LOL he must have been sitting behind me

ya mean behind us??? DrFU, did you hear it? stupid indoor venue. no standing up. and also Layton's friend was behind us and he couldn't stand up.

'cept Crazy4Ross. you never did sit, did ya barb?

Nope! I never sit at a Journey concert!

[youkeepmewaiting]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

[Enigma869]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

I would say Gordon was pretty right on with his comment! Just because you may think Generations is some sort of a masterpiece (I think it's an abortion!), doesn't mean that it's a "stupid comment" if someone doesn't agree with you. My hunch is that there are more Journey fans who thought Generations left a lot to be desired than those who thought it was good. Even the most ardent Journey fan can't seriously believe that Cain, Valory, and Schon should be singing lead on ANYTHING with the Journey name on it! These guys flat out suck, as lead vocalists!


John from Boston

[ebake02]

If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

How about Every Generation too. Thats one of my favorites.

[youkeepmewaiting]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

I would say Gordon was pretty right on with his comment! Just because you may think Generations is some sort of a masterpiece (I think it's an abortion!), doesn't mean that it's a "stupid comment" if someone doesn't agree with you. My hunch is that there are more Journey fans who thought Generations left a lot to be desired than those who thought it was good. Even the most ardent Journey fan can't seriously believe that Cain, Valory, and Schon should be singing lead on ANYTHING with the Journey name on it! These guys flat out suck, as lead vocalists!


John from Boston

Its far from a masterpiece and i dont agree its "the best album since Frontiers" which somebody said. The Valory song was awful, and i didnt like Cains song much. The Place in Your HJeart is a great song, but how can you now like that and dislike FITH, Never Too Late, etc. The mind boggles.

P.S I think Schon has quite a decent voice really, shouldnt be singing Journey songs, but still, not a complete sucky voice.

[Lula]

I agree...I liked Generations..Leave off Jon's,Neals,and Ross's songs and it would be even better! Also,people bash the production quality,look at Frontiers,the production quality on that album sucks!

You're fucking high. Faithfully and Separate Ways have always stood out to me as songs that have everything perfectly in the mix with in your face vocals. As Andrew would say, your statement was pure poppycock.

LOL, SJ said "poppycock"

[Red13JoePa]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

I would say Gordon was pretty right on with his comment! Just because you may think Generations is some sort of a masterpiece (I think it's an abortion!), doesn't mean that it's a "stupid comment" if someone doesn't agree with you.

John from Boston

No, it was a pretty ignorant comment.
Generations has many a redeeming quality.
MR gave it a 91 out of 100

[Enigma869]

No, it was a pretty ignorant comment.
Generations has many a redeeming quality.
MR gave it a 91 out of 100

Sorry Joepa...Just because someone doesn't like Generations doesn't make them ignorant. Also, the fact that Andrew gave Generations 91 out of 100 means NOTHING! I have nothing bad to say about Drew at all, but I think he was blinded by his loyalty to Journey! I'm pretty sure Journey wasn't getting any other praise in music circles for the "brilliance" of Generations! It simply wasn't very good, by Journey standards!


John from Boston