So, No Thoughts on New Hampshire?

[Rockindeano]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

[Enigma869]

As we learned with Howard Dean, polls really don't mean much! Looks like your girl Hillary is putting up quite a fight!


John from Boston

[Saint John]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

"an decision" and "an Democratic"....what the fuck? You still drunk from last night? Once is a typo, twice is a pattern.

[Lula]

yeah what's up with that? he's sober, so he can't use drunk, twice is not a typo.... hmmmmmm

[jrnychick]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

I haven't heard anything about this, but I was just watching Spongebob with my daughter so I haven't heard a whole lot of news! What's the deal? I wouldn't be surprised if somebody was rigging the primaries in at least some states. If any of the candidates are involved, how can they live with themselves?

[7 Wishes]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

I would venture to say there is a 99% chance that whomever or whichever entity is responsible for the alleged rigging lives in and was born south of the Maxon-Dixon line.

[conversationpc]

or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

[7 Wishes]

And the Dems want Mitchell "The Waffler" Romney, big time. That guy has changed his position more than Jenna Jamison.

[Rockindeano]

And the Dems want Mitchell "The Waffler" Romney, big time. That guy has changed his position more than Jenna Jamison.

I love your idea, but it's Willard Mitt Romney, not Mitchell.

[Uno_up]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

Print your source, or I'm calling BULLSHIT. I can't find this (your 1st three paragraphs) anywhere.

[7 Wishes]

That's even better.

You know those upper-class twits, how they shorten their surnames into something more malleable and "ordinary". I just figured...

But Willard? Wow. You just can't make that shit up.

Romney reminds me of the kind of dick who would have hung out with Laettner and Hurley back in the late 80's...kind of like a group of Douglas Q. Niedermayers.

[Rockindeano]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

Print your source, or I'm calling BULLSHIT. I can't find this (your 1st two paragraphs) anywhere.

Ease up there Hitler....

I heard on Air America, the final stats concerning hand counting and opti scan...I hope to Hell this isn't the case. Just putting it out there.

Fuck, why don't you bend me over, fuck my ass dry, then, after all that, ask me my opinion? Jesus Mother Mary and her pet scorpion! Tear off my head, you cocksucker!

[Uno_up]

Personally, I think something fishy went on.

Polling was off 4 times the margin of error.

Now, when ballots were hand counted, Obama finished ahead by 6% and when opti scanned, the most possible way to manipulate an decision, favoured Hillary by 15%. Things that make you go Hmm.

The real question I have, is who rigged it, if at all?

One the one hand you have an ex president of the United States, who undoubtedly has influence, or...could it be the GOP did this. Why would the GOP rig an Democratic primary? They want Hillary as the Dem nominee.

Again, I hope this isn't the case. Just wondering.

Print your source, or I'm calling BULLSHIT. I can't find this (your 1st two paragraphs) anywhere.

Ease up there Hitler....

I heard on Air America, the final stats concerning hand counting and opti scan...I hope to Hell this isn't the case. Just putting it out there.

Fuck, why don't you bend me over, fuck my ass dry, then, after all that, ask me my opinion? Jesus Mother Mary and her pet scorpion! Tear off my head, you cocksucker!

In my best ebonics, "You da man, moneygrip!"

[Red13JoePa]

I kind of agree with Bill Clinton.
The press is treating every other candidate, shockingly including Hilary, as if they don't exist in the realm of their chosen Obama.

[Wally_Hatchet]

Well, for starters, I take back my "Hillary is done" comment from the other day.


Obama scares the hell out of me. Very little (if any) experience. He can talk for two hours and say nothing about the issues, or how he would change things, and listenting to clips of his latest speeches, he sounds more like a minister preaching on Sunday than he does a presidential candidate. As a proud Rebublican and Clinton-basher, I'd rather see Hillary get it before Obama.

[Rockindeano]

I kind of agree with Bill Clinton.
The press is treating every other candidate, shockingly including Hilary, as if they don't exist in the realm of their chosen Obama.

It's undeniably true. The press has anointed the second coming. Obama this and Obama that. While I love the guys passion and hopes, he offers nothing...no substance whatsoever. I would hope even Wally Hatchet would admit Hillary does have some things to talk about and hopefully implement.

[Rockindeano]

Now, if its Obama v MCCain, the "change" theme will work. While I want change too, now is not the time to put a senator with 3 yrs into the world's most powerful office. I can't vote Republican for a million reasons, but MCCain would be my pick. Now, if it's Hillary v MCCain, I think she will take his wrinkled old ass to school. MCCain is hated by conservatives as much as Hillary, but according to my ELECTORAL MATH, which is what really counts, She will bury him.

[strangegrey]

And the Dems want Mitchell "The Waffler" Romney, big time. That guy has changed his position more than Jenna Jamison.

I don't think it matters one iotta. Seriously dude. There isn't a republican candidate that could take on either Obama or Clinton at this point. The republican's have so egregiously fucked up over the past several years that it's opened the doors for pretty much a dem race. Our next president is coming out of the democrat party. The democrat national convention might as well be the inauguration.

[Rockindeano]

Oh and btw, to you more astute persons who know a little politics, even though my candidate won, I do think, believe, NH had a Bradly effect.

What the Bradley effect means is(Bradley was a black candidate in California), that many are interviewed and polled and they say that they will vote Obama(in this instance), but once in the safety of the voting booth, they have the security and privacy of the ballot curtain, meaning, once in, they vote for the white candidate.

Now, NH was a primary state versus a caucus state (Iowa). In a caucus, you cannot hide behind a curtain. You go to a firehouse, church, restaurant, home, whatever, and go stand by like minded individuals in a certain area, without a curtain.

Just sayin....

[Rockindeano]

And the Dems want Mitchell "The Waffler" Romney, big time. That guy has changed his position more than Jenna Jamison.

I don't think it matters one iotta. Seriously dude. There isn't a republican candidate that could take on either Obama or Clinton at this point. The republican's have so egregiously fucked up over the past several years that it's opened the doors for pretty much a dem race. Our next president is coming out of the democrat party. The democrat national convention might as well be the inauguration.

If Rove gets his smear machine going, who knows. If the GOP was smart, they would "sacrifice" an old timer (McCain) and lose this one, and retool for 2012, much like they did with Bob one armed Dole, in 2000.

[strangegrey]

Now, if its Obama v MCCain, the "change" theme will work. While I want change too, now is not the time to put a senator with 3 yrs into the world's most powerful office. I can't vote Republican for a million reasons, but MCCain would be my pick. Now, if it's Hillary v MCCain, I think she will take his wrinkled old ass to school. MCCain is hated by conservatives as much as Hillary, but according to my ELECTORAL MATH, which is what really counts, She will bury him.

Damn, that's funny dude. because I feel similarly, but with McCain on the receiving end. I personally think the worst choice out of the entire batch is McCain. If the election were held today and it was Hilary vs McCain, I'd pull the lever for Hilary 10 times over.

Anything but that fuckwad.


As for Obama, I also agree. The media is doing all they can to practically crown the fucker the next president. It pisses me off. I actually watched election coverage last night rooting for Hillary till she was finally projected (and I'm historically not much of a Clinton supporter) ....because I don't think it's fair or just that Obama get the dem nod without a fair fight.

I was also very surprised at the fact that both CNN and Foxnews refused to project Hillary at times....their claims that Hanover (Dartmouth) and Duram (UNH) hadn't come in was bullshit....My parents are from that area and they couldn't give me a good enough reason why a large city like Nashua was able to report and Hanover (a far smaller town) couldn't do so. Part of me suspects that they held out as long as they could to provide the illusion that Obama was putting up more of a fight than he was....just so the rest of the country sees it.

I've seen both CNN and Fox predict winners with less than 10% of precincts reporting in *national* elections. To see them get so tentative in a primary, to the point where they waited until more than 60% reported before they felt comfortable to call the election, SCREAMS bullshit to me.

[strangegrey]

And the Dems want Mitchell "The Waffler" Romney, big time. That guy has changed his position more than Jenna Jamison.

I don't think it matters one iotta. Seriously dude. There isn't a republican candidate that could take on either Obama or Clinton at this point. The republican's have so egregiously fucked up over the past several years that it's opened the doors for pretty much a dem race. Our next president is coming out of the democrat party. The democrat national convention might as well be the inauguration.

If Rove gets his smear machine going, who knows. If the GOP was smart, they would "sacrifice" an old timer (McCain) and lose this one, and retool for 2012, much like they did with Bob one armed Dole, in 2000.

Dean, honestly...and this is coming from a life-long republican (who might just vote dem this november)...there's *nothing* the republicans can do to stop this train. They've shot themselves in the foot so many times that they can't stand on the stubs they've left above their ankles...

[Rockindeano]

I've seen both CNN and Fox predict winners with less than 10% of precincts reporting in *national* elections. To see them get so tentative in a primary, to the point where they waited until more than 60% reported before they felt comfortable to call the election, SCREAMS bullshit to me.

And I have seen Fox News declare a winner for a certain southern state, in a general election, and then pan to a former president and his family, and taketh that motherfuckin southern state back!

[strangegrey]

I've seen both CNN and Fox predict winners with less than 10% of precincts reporting in *national* elections. To see them get so tentative in a primary, to the point where they waited until more than 60% reported before they felt comfortable to call the election, SCREAMS bullshit to me.

And I have seen Fox News declare a winner for a certain southern state, and then pan to a former president and his family, then taketh that motherfuckin southern state back.

well, we wont bring that up, will we!

I know that sometimes they'll use the 'prudence' argument and cite florida as a reason. however, last night? I really think the media wanted to give an illusion of a closer race to give Obama a boost elsewhere.

[Rockindeano]

I've seen both CNN and Fox predict winners with less than 10% of precincts reporting in *national* elections. To see them get so tentative in a primary, to the point where they waited until more than 60% reported before they felt comfortable to call the election, SCREAMS bullshit to me.

And I have seen Fox News declare a winner for a certain southern state, and then pan to a former president and his family, then taketh that motherfuckin southern state back.

well, we wont bring that up, will we!

I know that sometimes they'll use the 'prudence' argument and cite florida as a reason. however, last night? I really think the media wanted to give an illusion of a closer race to give Obama a boost elsewhere.

I think whole heartedly, it was a rigged NH night.

[Liam]

GO NIXON. Oh wait...shit....wrong decade again. DAMNIT.

[Voyager]

Bloggers form theory New Hampshire vote was rigged

Posts question polls' inaccuracy, point to documentary on fraud


10:54 PM CST on Wednesday, January 9, 2008
By KAREN BROOKS / The Dallas Morning News
kmbrooks@dallasnews.com

AUSTIN – The results weren't even in when the blogosphere started to hum with a theory that sharply divided Democrats online: Barack Obama lost to Hillary Rodham Clinton in New Hampshire because the vote was rigged.

"Something stinks in New Hampshire," a commenter posted on the popular liberal site Americablog.com.

Curious about the "wildly inaccurate" polls that put Mr. Obama in a double-digit lead going into Tuesday's primary, blogger Brad Friedman, a Los Angeles-based election-fraud watchdog, questioned the results as soon as they arrived, and all day Wednesday.

"Other folks that I've spoken to, who follow this sort of thing, share my concern at this hour," he wrote on bradblog.com. "If I was Barack Obama, I'd certainly not have conceded this election this quickly. I'm not quite sure what he was thinking."

An Obama representative said the campaign is not alleging that fraud occurred. Clinton aides did not return calls seeking comment.

But the buzz grew all day Wednesday as bloggers across the nation keyed into the fact that 81 percent of New Hampshire votes were being counted on machines that an HBO documentary alleged are easily hacked. It also didn't hurt that New Hampshire was the site of a recount after allegations of fraud in 2004, spotlighted in the much-praised documentary.

It wasn't just on the Democratic side: Supporters of Texas Republican U.S. Rep. Ron Paul were pointing to discrepancies in at least one town, where dozens of votes cast were initially counted as zero – before an elections official corrected the error. Mr. Paul's campaign did not return calls seeking comment.

From Americablog.com to Crooks and Liars to several news blogs, readers posted their concerns – drawing the gleeful eye of conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday morning, who pointed to a debate raging on Democratic Underground.

That site, which has more than 100,000 registered users, was alive with debate throughout the day – mainly between Obama supporters and Clinton fans.

"Please come back to your senses," one commenter wrote. "What is most disturbing is the fact some people are accusing the fellow Democrats of fraud. Please, dear reasonable Obama supporter, tell those people to stop."

Some of the nation's most prominent bloggers sparred over the issue as well. Markos Moulitsas, who runs the popular site DailyKos, called the allegations "a load of bull" from "a bunch of cranks." Mr. Moulitsas, who has said he'll vote for Mr. Obama, also said it was typical of the blogosphere to host a "tiny minority" who pose "wild claims."

"This is the price you pay for a medium that democratizes media access," he said. "But really, is that any different than traditional media outlets who pushed the conspiracy theory that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? A little skepticism from the public in regards to all media would be well advised."

Mr. Friedman took issue with that characterization, saying the process should be transparent and trustworthy, and that the polls were "wildly out of whack" with the results – combined with the questionable machines – should be enough to raise concerns.

"It's no longer a theory that these systems are vulnerable to tampering," he said. "And it doesn't take a conspiracy, it takes one real person."

Online-buzz trackers said the conversation still hasn't grown to the point where it's more than a blip on the radar, if even that. But that could change if the objections gain traction, said Pete Blackshaw, executive vice president of strategic services for Nielsen Online, which tracks blogs and buzz on the Web.

"It could bubble into a broader conversation," he said. "What will be interesting is, to what extent does the hoopla run into the next [contest]? ... For a lot of the bloggers, they're going to have to run the calculus of [whether] prying into this issue of alleged fraud is ... a better conversation starter than the next primary."

[Rockindeano]

Love to see Limbfat react, accuse as he is so accostmed to, and find that the GOP did this.

Rush needs to disappear.

[mikemarrs]

limpbaugh might be back on the vicodin again.

[Rockindeano]

limpbaugh might be back on the vicodin again.

I LOVE that shit! Give me vicodin I can run a 4 minute mile. Airdrop that shit to Iraq and w can let them into the UN next week. Palestinians and Jews could co exist. Drop that into Iran and they would break into the SSB!