Out of Harms Way and Generations

[Red13JoePa]

I said the comment was ignorant and one wonders if the individual actually LISTENED to the album or is just bleating the site-wide criticismn that the record recieved in hindsight over tapegate.

I'd accept it, as I have many a poster's critique who have ripped the album but clearly demonstrated they actually listened to the songs.

Even if Drew's rating was inflated by say, 10 points max out of Journey loyalty it's still an 81 which is the sites "very good" range.

[FishinMagician]

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

i dont remember that!

Yeah, I was always yelling at the Frig. He always looked up too, like he was supposed to or something. In Orlando, I yelled at the Frig and he damn near fucked up DSB.

haha thats funny as hell

[FishinMagician]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

I would say Gordon was pretty right on with his comment! Just because you may think Generations is some sort of a masterpiece (I think it's an abortion!), doesn't mean that it's a "stupid comment" if someone doesn't agree with you. My hunch is that there are more Journey fans who thought Generations left a lot to be desired than those who thought it was good. Even the most ardent Journey fan can't seriously believe that Cain, Valory, and Schon should be singing lead on ANYTHING with the Journey name on it! These guys flat out suck, as lead vocalists!


John from Boston

what's wrong with letting other members having a chance to sing lead? its not like they are bad singers

[youkeepmewaiting]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

I would say Gordon was pretty right on with his comment! Just because you may think Generations is some sort of a masterpiece (I think it's an abortion!), doesn't mean that it's a "stupid comment" if someone doesn't agree with you. My hunch is that there are more Journey fans who thought Generations left a lot to be desired than those who thought it was good. Even the most ardent Journey fan can't seriously believe that Cain, Valory, and Schon should be singing lead on ANYTHING with the Journey name on it! These guys flat out suck, as lead vocalists!


John from Boston

what's wrong with letting other members having a chance to sing lead? its not like they are bad singers

My problem was not so mcuh with the voices but more the flow of the album, i dont think it flowed to well with the lead changes.

[Món]

"In self defense" must be the biggest, smelliest, most unnecessary turd ever written by Journey or any of their members.

[jrnyman28]

"In self defense" must be the biggest, smelliest, most unnecessary turd ever written by Journey or any of their members.

And it was written and recorded originally for Frontiers!

[Món]

"In self defense" must be the biggest, smelliest, most unnecessary turd ever written by Journey or any of their members.

And it was written and recorded originally for Frontiers!

Thank God someone (I assume Perry) talked Fro out of spoiling an otherwise near perfect album.

[Red13JoePa]

Perry co-wrote it.

[Enigma869]

what's wrong with letting other members having a chance to sing lead? its not like they are bad singers

I think I've made my thoughts quite clear on "what's wrong with letting other members having a chance to sing lead"....It's because they can't sing! Again, it's my opinion. As much of a Journey fan as I am...I don't allow that to blind me or block my ears, when I'm listening to shit! I don't think Cain, Valory, or Schon have any right singing lead on anything with the name Journey attached to it. I realize some members subscribe to the theory that Journey is Journey, no matter who the 5 guys they wheel out on stage are. I'm not someone who has ever subscribed to that theory. If you're going to continue using the name, at least have the common sense and respect to honor the legacy that the band Journey built. It wasn't buit around Cain's, Schon's, or Valory's inferior vocals! These guys play instruments for a reason...they're pipes are nowhere near qualified to sing lead on ANYTHING Journey! Again, I realize there are some here who think all three of these guys are great singers. I think they all three SUCK, beyond belief, when it comes to their vocal ability. As I've said before, listen to Cain's version of "Faithfully"...The dude sounds like a fucking corpse, suffering through a root canal, with no numbing agent! Talk about ruining a great song!


John from Boston

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

"In self defense" must be the biggest, smelliest, most unnecessary turd ever written by Journey or any of their members.

pardon me but Neal wrote that for his Schon/Hammer project and is rocks it's a** of. I feel so lucky to have 2 versions of it. (well, i don't know if he wrote it for it but it is on there.....)

[jrnyman28]

"In self defense" must be the biggest, smelliest, most unnecessary turd ever written by Journey or any of their members.

pardon me but Neal wrote that for his Schon/Hammer project and is rocks it's a** of. I feel so lucky to have 2 versions of it. (well, i don't know if he wrote it for it but it is on there.....)

No. Neal RECORDED it with Jan Hammer but it was an outtake from Frontiers. And on the Schon-Hammer recording you have Smitty, Ross and PERRY performing on it. I think it is quite possibly THE recording from Frontiers with Hammer adding his parts. But this is the ONLY time Perry appearead on any Journey members work outside of Journey.

[annie89509]

As much as a perryloon could, I have listened to both Arrival and Generations with an open mind and have come to the conclusion that I like Generations' songs a lot. Arrival is too long. After the first 3 songs, all very good, I started to lose interest when the songs and even the titles sound the same. Conversely, each song in Generations is different. No, they should not have played lead-singing musical chairs (I agree with John from Boston - Neal/Jon/Ross have no business singing lead on Journey songs - backup okay, lead no way). They should have let SA sing all the songs, and I thought he did very well with the ones he did get to sing. Deen's voice is okay, so he gets a pass.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

Generations is crap - apart from The Place in your Heart - thanks to the soaring guitar from Mr Schon......

Stupid comment. Free speach an all . .but still, stupid comment.

I would say Gordon was pretty right on with his comment! Just because you may think Generations is some sort of a masterpiece (I think it's an abortion!), doesn't mean that it's a "stupid comment" if someone doesn't agree with you. My hunch is that there are more Journey fans who thought Generations left a lot to be desired than those who thought it was good. Even the most ardent Journey fan can't seriously believe that Cain, Valory, and Schon should be singing lead on ANYTHING with the Journey name on it! These guys flat out suck, as lead vocalists!


John from Boston

Thanks John - I Don't care if anyone thinks its a stupid comment - the album sucks big time - but i tried to be positive by highlighting a track i thought contained some original Journey "spirit". To slag off a person may be stupid but ripping an album is not offensive or stupid - just opinionated. I had previously backed this person by telling him how much i liked ROR and Colors of the Spirit from TBF, but sadly - positive posts tend to get ignored. Anyway - my re-mastered House of Lords CD arrived today so i am grinning like a cheshire cat.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

I said the comment was ignorant and one wonders if the individual actually LISTENED to the album or is just bleating the site-wide criticismn that the record recieved in hindsight over tapegate.

I'd accept it, as I have many a poster's critique who have ripped the album but clearly demonstrated they actually listened to the songs.

Even if Drew's rating was inflated by say, 10 points max out of Journey loyalty it's still an 81 which is the sites "very good" range.

I bought the album the day it came out and was gutted to discover how shit it was - thats not ignorance - just brutal honesty. Christ - its getting like BT on here. Arrival was passable but Generations sucks - not because of the singer - but because the songs are not Journey quality.
I liked Remember Me - still do - but crap songs with a decent singer are still crap songs. Call me ignorant if you want - but i thought this forum was about free speech and opinion. - I will admit tho that no-one will ever move me like Steve Perry did. He is, was, and always be a major fuckin hero of mine. NOBODY sings like that guy.

p.s. i listened to the album loads - to try to like it as you do with your heroes - but it sucks and always will.

[Red13JoePa]

Easy, Colnel.

How about this, I agree with you that The Place In Your Heart is the most Journey-sounding song on the record.

Irony is, if you're locked into the perry sound the most, there's no WAY that song gets cut w/ him at the helm.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Easy, Colnel.

How about this, I agree with you that The Place In Your Heart is the most Journey-sounding song on the record.

Irony is, if you're locked into the perry sound the most, there's no WAY that song gets cut w/ him at the helm.

I know what you mean - i keep thinkin it would sound kinda Doo Wop if Perry sang it - but i would probably still like it! You are right i am locked into a time warp regarding Perry - BUT, i will still buy new product and would have loved to buy an album with JSS singing. If Arnel cuts an album - again, i will buy it on release. One of the reasons we are here to talk/argue about this band and other classic rock bands, is because NOTHING came along to make us forget them. I have tried to move with the times a little but i keep coming back to my JOURNEY/SURVIVOR/GARY MOORE/RAINBOW/STEVIE NICKS/KISS/BRYAN ADAMS albums - cos nothing seems to be in the same league. Oh and i have a weird love of 70s prog as well as abba - strange i know but older relatives can influence like that.

[Red13JoePa]

OK, Gord let me run these by you and I will take your short feelings on them:

Faith In The Heartland

A Better Life

Knowing That You Love Me

Out Of Harm's Way

Better Together

Beyond The Clouds

Never To Late

[Saint John]

OK, Gord let me run these by you and I will take your short feelings on them:

Faith In The Heartland-On a scale of 1 to 10 this song is a .4

A Better Life-Potentially the worst song in the history of music. It's redundancy makes one wish Andrea Yates was their mother.

Knowing That You Love Me-Liberace's asshole has more masculinity than this song.

Out Of Harm's Way-Obviously not out of audio harms way while this garbage is playing.

Better Together-Yeah, now here's a song I'd play at a party.

Beyond The Clouds-Audio pollution...plain and simple.

Never To Late-This song could make Terry Schiavo cringe.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Never To Late-This song could make Terry Schiavo cringe.

ohhh.. man.. this is SO bad !! i feel bad for laughing..


btw .. MY favorite track on Gen. is Never Too Late .. reminds me of the 80's.. honeymoon suite or something.. i tap my foot when i listen to that tune..

[Enigma869]

OK, Gord let me run these by you and I will take your short feelings on them:

Faith In The Heartland-On a scale of 1 to 10 this song is a .4

A Better Life-Potentially the worst song in the history of music. It's redundancy makes one wish Andrea Yates was their mother.

Knowing That You Love Me-Liberace's asshole has more masculinity than this song.

Out Of Harm's Way-Obviously not out of audio harms way while this garbage is playing.

Better Together-Yeah, now here's a song I'd play at a party.

Beyond The Clouds-Audio pollution...plain and simple.

Never To Late-This song could make Terry Schiavo cringe.

Thanks for making me piss myself laughing, SJ! That response should be put in the posting hall of fame! The Liberace line is as funny as funny gets! Here's my true take on Generations...It's really mostly the Augeri crowd who liked it. The wiggle wack jobs simply wanted to support ANYTHING Journey did, as long as Augeri was at the helm. For me, Augeri voice is the only one who should have been heard! Lead singers are lead singers for a reason. I really loved Arrival, but will never comprehend how anyone truly thought Generations was "great", and yes, I have heard some refer to it as "great".


John from Boston

[Saint John]

OK, Gord let me run these by you and I will take your short feelings on them:

Faith In The Heartland-On a scale of 1 to 10 this song is a .4

A Better Life-Potentially the worst song in the history of music. It's redundancy makes one wish Andrea Yates was their mother.

Knowing That You Love Me-Liberace's asshole has more masculinity than this song.

Out Of Harm's Way-Obviously not out of audio harms way while this garbage is playing.

Better Together-Yeah, now here's a song I'd play at a party.

Beyond The Clouds-Audio pollution...plain and simple.

Never To Late-This song could make Terry Schiavo cringe.

Thanks for making me piss myself laughing, SJ! That response should be put in the posting hall of fame! The Liberace line is as funny as funny gets! Here's my true take on Generations...It's really mostly the Augeri crowd who liked it. The wiggle wack jobs simply wanted to support ANYTHING Journey did, as long as Augeri was at the helm. For me, Augeri voice is the only one who should have been heard! Lead singers are lead singers for a reason. I really loved Arrival, but will never comprehend how anyone truly thought Generations was "great", and yes, I have heard some refer to it as "great".


John from Boston

13 is one of those that has labeled it "great." I'd have acupuncture performed on my testicles with steak knives before I labeled that album "great."

[Enigma869]

13 is one of those that has labeled it "great." I'd have acupuncture performed on my testicles with steak knives before I labeled that album "great."

Hey...13 is a good dude, and I like the guy. The clear issue with our man Joepa is he is CLEARLY an Augeri guy, which in itself is okay. I personally never thought Augeri sucked. The guy had a reasonable voice, but simply couldn't hit the notes that Perry could hit. He certainly had a much better voice than the rest of those dopes, trying to sing lead! Where Joepa loses me is that I think I've read on this forum that he thinks Augeri was a better singer than Perry! Anyone who truly believes that loses ALL credibility, with me. I'm not the musical expert that some are on this board, but I know this...Perry is the only guy whose voice ever made me say to myself "How the fuck does ANY human being hit notes like that"? I honestly don't even know how non-fans of Perry weren't in awe of the guy's pipes!


John from Boston

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Faith In The Heartland-On a scale of 1 to 10 this song is a .4

Really? I think that might be the best Augeri-era song.

[Red13JoePa]

PS, not an "Augeri Guy" per se, although I do prefer him to the other creep.

No, much like my nemisis in this thread, St Canseco, I am a JOURNEY guy. He has his singer preference in sp, so do I (SA/JSS). Doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to them on a go-forward basis.

[Journey/Survivor]

I like Augeri's singing a great deal. But I do put Steve Perry ahead of him. Jimi Jamison is the only singer I put ahead of Steve Perry, and even then it's not by much.

But IMHO Generations was the best Journey album since Frontiers. You don't have to be a huge Steve augeri fan to still love Generations. To say that Generations sucks is just plain ignorant. At least Generations mostly Rocked, unlike Raised On Radio. I still like ROR, but Generations, for the most part, sounds more like a Journey album than ROR does.

Well let me put it this way instead...

Faith In the Heartland
The Place In Your Heart
A Better Life
Believe
Knowing That You Love Me
Out Of Harms Way
Better Together
Beyond The Clouds
It's Never Too Late

Sound more like "Classic" Journey than most of ROR does.

[YankeeRose]

Generations is an excellent album. I find the production weak though. Arrival had much better production. I don't understand why the production is so much worse on Generations.

[Saint John]

:x





PS, not an "Augeri Guy" per se, although I do prefer him to the other creep.

No, much like my nemisis in this thread, St Canseco, I am a JOURNEY guy. He has his singer preference in sp, so do I (SA/JSS). Doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to them on a go-forward basis.

I am too. I just think Red13 and Generations are quite simply the worst music Journey has ever put out. I liked Arrival and I could "feel" sincerity on much of the album. The other two seemed rushed, thrown together and contrived. To me, they were put out just for the sake of putting something out. I like Augeri and would go see him in the future. I like 13 also. Dude is consistent, doesn't waiver and knows his shit. My only complaint is that he speaks in codes at times. He and Moon Beam have created their own fuckin' languages.

[youkeepmewaiting]

OK, Gord let me run these by you and I will take your short feelings on them:

Faith In The Heartland

A Better Life

Knowing That You Love Me

Out Of Harm's Way

Better Together

Beyond The Clouds

Never To Late

I like all of them, aprt from KTYLM, never got into that, just seems so . . BLAH

As ive said before Generations is not masterpiece, but it has some very good material that sadly is going to get lost in Journey vault and probably never played again, minus Faith In Heart Land ocassionaly. It has massive faults but i believe that if Perry sang on the songs mentioned above people would love them, particually Never to Late.

[Red13JoePa]

I like 13 also. Dude is consistent, doesn't waiver and knows his shit. My only complaint is that he speaks in codes at times. He and Moon Beam have created their own fuckin' languages.

Work with NealIsGod; very quick on the uptake and he decodes me on first attempt about 80 % of the time.

[Saint John]

I like 13 also. Dude is consistent, doesn't waiver and knows his shit. My only complaint is that he speaks in codes at times. He and Moon Beam have created their own fuckin' languages.

Work with NealIsGod; very quick on the uptake and he decodes me on first attempt about 80 % of the time.

I dont understand American to good. How Im suposed to understand your dilect.