Impressed with Arnel

[4everkop]

I'll give Pineda a chance. I thought he was incredible when he sang Faithfully half a step higher.I guess they will do what they want, and we'll either have to be okay with it, or just leave. Nothing much we can do. Regards to Pinedas diction, it'll smooth out in due time I think.Hey sometimes Perry didn't have perfect diction when he sang live.

[brywool]

The guy CAN sing period. He's a great vocalist. I believe he's better than Augeri (who I like quite a bit) and I think he's a better fit voice-wise than JSS whom I also like.
Someone else mentioned him being the best since Perry. This could be true judging by the clips I've seen. While the stage presence may or may not be an issue (all I've seen are clips of him singing in pretty lame clubs-so I will reserve judgement until I see him in the big time), you cannot deny the man's vocal talent. He's gotta great set of pipes, a killer range and great tone. There's no strain in his higher notes and the fact that he's been doing clubs for years SHOULD help his endurance. I think that he could be great for the band as far as his sound. His pronunciation might be a bit off, but it sounds like the guy's in speech therapy and that should help with any difficulties. I could give a flying f*ck what nationality he is. If he 'brings it', who cares??? This sweat-shop bullshit that shows up in people's post is just complete BS. Time to evolve...

I was all for not giving the band a chance because of all the BS they've pulled. I WILL listen to this guy and give him a chance and see what happens and I will watch with heavy interest. For me, the band needs to do some new material, or it will just be a band going through the motions doing things I've already seen. I certainly won't buy any of their 'product' unless it's new and unless it's amazing.

[Voyager]

For me, the band needs to do some new material, or it will just be a band going through the motions doing things I've already seen. I certainly won't buy any of their 'product' unless it's new and unless it's amazing.

Why do they need new material? Let's face it, if people are going to pay to see Journey with this new Perry sound-alike, they are going to pay to hear him emulate the songs that Perry made famous. 95% of them will go to the bathroom or to get a beer when Journey plays the new songs that no one recognizes. The only reason Journey is recording new material is for the egos of the band members and for a rare few Arnel fans who will buy it. Don't look for any new gold albums, because it won't happen.

How many copies of Arrival were sold - does anyone know? I believe it was much less than 500,000.... that is, unless they count the copies they gave away at concerts.

[jrnyman28]

They need to play the new music to prove they are "serious" about Arnel. They need to play new music to break up the monotony of the concert for the hardcore fans that might still be willing to check them out. And I don't think it is about ego, I think it is a another way for the band to show they are serious and pretending NOT to just be nostalgic...

[Saint John]

They need to play the new music to prove they are "serious" about Arnel. They need to play new music to break up the monotony of the concert for the hardcore fans that might still be willing to check them out. And I don't think it is about ego, I think it is a another way for the band to show they are serious and pretending NOT to just be nostalgic...

YES!!!

[Voyager]

If they put out an album with Arnel, it will just be an attempt to say, "Hey, we don't need Steve Perry to be popular. We have a new album with a new singer." But everybody knows that they won't sell any concert tickets based on the new album. The tickets will sell because people want to re-live the Steve Perry days again.

When Journey played songs from Arrival during concerts, the bathrooms and the concession stands were overwhelmed. Nothing will change with this new album. Why? It's not 1986, and it's not Steve Perry.

[MrsPerry]

Nothing will change with this new album. Why? It's not 1986, and it's not Steve Perry.

Amen Brother Voyager

[Voyager]

And I don't think it is about ego, I think it is a another way for the band to show they are serious and pretending NOT to just be nostalgic...

You're absolutely right. They are "pretending NOT to just be nostalgic"... but they don't have any choice. Journey fans want to hear the classics from the Steve Perry era, and they want to be nostalgic. The overwhleming majority of them don't even care if Journey ever puts out another album. If Perry came back and they recorded a new album, they might be able to crack one-million on sales if they do a really good job. But as far as a Perry sound-alike goes, a new album wouldn't sell more than 100k.

[jrnyman28]

If they put out an album with Arnel, it will just be an attempt to say, "Hey, we don't need Steve Perry to be popular. We have a new album with a new singer." But everybody knows that they won't sell any concert tickets based on the new album. The tickets will sell because people want to re-live the Steve Perry days again.

When Journey played songs from Arrival during concerts, the bathrooms and the concession stands were overwhelmed. Nothing will change with this new album. Why? It's not 1986, and it's not Steve Perry.

Something the band needs to remember is that the audience can still HEAR THE MUSIC in line for a beer or the bathroom!!

[journeyrock]

[quote="jrnyman28"]They need to play the new music to prove they are "serious" about Arnel.

[quote]The sad part is, I don't think they ARE serious about Arnel. They are serious about a Perry soundalike and Arnel fits that bill to a tee. And they are serious about making bank. Other than that, don't see it.

[brywool]

For me, the band needs to do some new material, or it will just be a band going through the motions doing things I've already seen. I certainly won't buy any of their 'product' unless it's new and unless it's amazing.

Why do they need new material? Let's face it, if people are going to pay to see Journey with this new Perry sound-alike, they are going to pay to hear him emulate the songs that Perry made famous. 95% of them will go to the bathroom or to get a beer when Journey plays the new songs that no one recognizes. The only reason Journey is recording new material is for the egos of the band members and for a rare few Arnel fans who will buy it. Don't look for any new gold albums, because it won't happen.

How many copies of Arrival were sold - does anyone know? I believe it was much less than 500,000.... that is, unless they count the copies they gave away at concerts.

"FOR ME"- read the post.

Doing new material will not affect their concert numbers unless they get a hit (not gonna happen). But for ME to keep interested in the band (other than the soap opera it has become) will take NEW music. If I hear Any Way You Want It again, I'm going to puke. Imagine how the rest of the band feels.

And while "Arrival" didn't sell that great, the DVD from that Vegas show sold really well for a classic rock band.

[brywool]

They need to play the new music to prove they are "serious" about Arnel. They need to play new music to break up the monotony of the concert for the hardcore fans that might still be willing to check them out. And I don't think it is about ego, I think it is a another way for the band to show they are serious and pretending NOT to just be nostalgic...

exactly. Them going out and playing the old stuff by the numbers makes them a tribute band. Them going out and playing the old stuff, plus NEW stuff makes them an evolving entity and though people will go to the bathrooms (because most people today have the attention span of a friggin' 4 year old), others won't. The bathrooms can't hold 5,000 people at once. There's gotta be a few still sitting in the seats. Some will just yell "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin!" or "Where's Perry?", others will go "hey, this is a cool song". The people that're yelling that crap might as well sit at home and spin Evolution for the billionth time. They're not interested anyway in seeing the band as it is today. The hardcore fans (again) who have paid the band's salaries for 30 years, I don't think WANT to just hear old stuff.

[jrnyman28]

How many copies of Arrival were sold - does anyone know? I believe it was much less than 500,000.... that is, unless they count the copies they gave away at concerts.

BTW, were you referring to Generations?

[Journey69]

Personally, I want an album with all original rocking music. That'll be a start. If they want to re-record the GH, fine. I used to be opposed to this idea, but now I really don't care. Again, Perry's time with the band and his contributions are locked in space and time, hearts and minds, and NOTHING can tarnish those memories. People need to let go the "Journey is fucking up their legacy" drivel. If unfinished tours, long lay-offs, fired members from the "legacy" years, unsupported albums and phantom tours didn't do it, Perry's 3rd replacement singer re-recording 20 year old songs certainly isn't going to.

What I meant was, what if Journey's release is a 23 track CD that includes a rerecording of 18 tracks we've heard 1000 times (albeit with a new singer) and 3 really amazing, great songs and 2 songs that make you say "meh," is that enough to qualify as what some have said needs to be "phenomenal?" Or will only a full album of new original material fit the bill?

If they had 3 killer, kick-ass songs with the 18 re-recorded songs you mentioned, it would leave me scratching my head as to why they didn't do a full album. I'd be in favor of a 2 CD, 1 DVD summer release. Put out an all original CD, the GH re-recorded and a live DVD showcasing 50-50 of each. Package it with some cool photos and I think you have a winner.

PS I think re-recording the GH is being done for 2 reasons. 1) To piss Perry off and pay him back for a) touring solo in 93-94 rather than with Journey, b) Saying he was ready to be in Journey again and making them drop Rolie and Chalfant, c) Not touring in support of TBF (which many believe he never had any intentions of doing), and d) following "a" and b" with "c." 2) To sell in Asian markets if/when they do a tour of Asia.

WOW SJ,and I thought I had a hard on for SP..LOL You make me look like I don't even bash the guy..LOL

[Panther]

Wal Mart's insistence?

Look deep into your pockets....

Journey's catalog is too immense and broad to pass up for WalMart not to get their hands on it. The big box retailer is slowly taking the place of the record company when it comes to established classic rock and a/c artists. It's the perfect fit, between retail and the cashbox of the touring revenues....Get the material out there to Joe Sixpack's hands, who's far more likely to see a point of purchase marketing display at Best Buy or Wal Mart than he is to hear a "hot new" release on the local Clear Channel affiliate.

That's just plain sad. I can understand the need for many of these bands to find an avenue not made by the established rc-s, but damn. I can also understand that the way it was, will never be again (unless some divine intervention happens.. and well... yeah, nope). I'd really like to know how the hell we got to this point. Was it the labels, the bands themselves, us - the fans? What? Can't we please turn back time? lol

[Arnelian]

And I don't think it is about ego, I think it is a another way for the band to show they are serious and pretending NOT to just be nostalgic...

You're absolutely right. They are "pretending NOT to just be nostalgic"... but they don't have any choice. Journey fans want to hear the classics from the Steve Perry era, and they want to be nostalgic. The overwhleming majority of them don't even care if Journey ever puts out another album. If Perry came back and they recorded a new album, they might be able to crack one-million on sales if they do a really good job. But as far as a Perry sound-alike goes, a new album wouldn't sell more than 100k.

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I am going to take this challenge with confidence and excitement and move it a notch higher: in the u.s. alone, the sales from filipinos (alone) will far exceed the 100,000, another 100,000 from Fiiipinos all over the globe, and 100,000 from the Philippines.
I am also looking forward to a showdown in CALIFORNIA ticket sales:

Total Filipinos in the Ccountry: 60Million plus
Total Filipinos outside the country: 11Million
Total US FilAm populaiton: 4Million
Total California FilAm population: 918,000

CA: 918,000
......LA County: 262,000
.......San Diego: 121,000
.......LA City: 120,000
.......SF: 40,000
.......Alameda.....69,000
Central COstal COunty: 34,000
........San Mateo: 60,000
.......Santa CLara: 77,000
.......Solano: 35,000
.......Bay Area: 24,000
.......Inland Sacramento: 24,000
......San Joaquin: 21,000


HI: 275000
IL: 86,000
NJ: 85,000
NY: 81,000


MIDWEST:

CHICAGO CITY: 28,000
COOK COUNTY: 55,000
DUPAGE OCUNTY: 14,000
lAKE COUNTY: 7,000

GUAM: 45,000
ANDREW'S COUNTRY (AUS): 129,000
MEXICO: 200,000

AND THE MOST Popluated states comprise of NEVADA, TEXAS, MD, CA, HI, IL, NJ, NY, WA, FL

Chances are you'd be standing next to a hot filipina chick in any concert venue.

world census: http://www.answers.com/topic/overseas-filipino

[brywool]

I think file sharing had a lot to do with it, unfortunately. That being said, Lar's answer of "sue the people who made me what I am" is not the answer.

The record companies also over charge the public for music.

MTV certainly hasn't helped with pushing BS to the front of the pile.

Also- There have been FEW G R E A T albums since the 90s. U2 seems to buck the trend in my opinion, but IF THERE WAS A GREAT ALBUM OUT THERE, IT WOULD SELL BUTTLOADS. Look at Green Day's "American Idiot". While I've played it to death, that album REALLY sold alot of records for the band, not to mention the touring they did behind it. Not many other albums have come out with that kind of hold on the charts. If there was a brilliant album out there, I think it would sell tons. I don't see that anymore.

Radio, as fragmented and programmed and consulted as it is have also killed the industry, especially for classic rock bands who have NOWHERE to go with new material. It sucks.

[wildone]

And I don't think it is about ego, I think it is a another way for the band to show they are serious and pretending NOT to just be nostalgic...

You're absolutely right. They are "pretending NOT to just be nostalgic"... but they don't have any choice. Journey fans want to hear the classics from the Steve Perry era, and they want to be nostalgic. The overwhleming majority of them don't even care if Journey ever puts out another album. If Perry came back and they recorded a new album, they might be able to crack one-million on sales if they do a really good job. But as far as a Perry sound-alike goes, a new album wouldn't sell more than 100k.

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I am going to take this challenge with confidence and excitement and move it a notch higher: in the u.s. alone, the sales from filipinos (alone) will far exceed the 100,000, another 100,000 from Fiiipinos all over the globe, and 100,000 from the Philippines.
I am also looking forward to a showdown in CALIFORNIA ticket sales:

Total Filipinos in the Ccountry: 60Million plus
Total Filipinos outside the country: 11Million
Total US FilAm populaiton: 4Million
Total California FilAm population: 918,000

CA: 918,000
......LA County: 262,000
.......San Diego: 121,000
.......LA City: 120,000
.......SF: 40,000
.......Alameda.....69,000
Central COstal COunty: 34,000
........San Mateo: 60,000
.......Santa CLara: 77,000
.......Solano: 35,000
.......Bay Area: 24,000
.......Inland Sacramento: 24,000
......San Joaquin: 21,000


HI: 275000
IL: 86,000
NJ: 85,000
NY: 81,000


MIDWEST:

CHICAGO CITY: 28,000
COOK COUNTY: 55,000
DUPAGE OCUNTY: 14,000
lAKE COUNTY: 7,000

GUAM: 45,000
ANDREW'S COUNTRY (AUS): 129,000
MEXICO: 200,000

AND THE MOST Popluated states comprise of NEVADA, TEXAS, MD, CA, HI, IL, NJ, NY, WA, FL

Chances are you'd be standing next to a hot filipina chick in any concert venue.

world census: http://www.answers.com/topic/overseas-filipino

and you think 200 thousand albums is alot of sales???? maybe over there it is....

[Jeremey]

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I am going to take this challenge with confidence and excitement and move it a notch higher: in the u.s. alone, the sales from filipinos (alone) will far exceed the 100,000, another 100,000 from Fiiipinos all over the globe, and 100,000 from the Philippines.
I am also looking forward to a showdown in CALIFORNIA ticket sales:

Total Filipinos in the Ccountry: 60Million plus
Total Filipinos outside the country: 11Million
Total US FilAm populaiton: 4Million
Total California FilAm population: 918,000

CA: 918,000
......LA County: 262,000
.......San Diego: 121,000
.......LA City: 120,000
.......SF: 40,000
.......Alameda.....69,000
Central COstal COunty: 34,000
........San Mateo: 60,000
.......Santa CLara: 77,000
.......Solano: 35,000
.......Bay Area: 24,000
.......Inland Sacramento: 24,000
......San Joaquin: 21,000


HI: 275000
IL: 86,000
NJ: 85,000
NY: 81,000


MIDWEST:

CHICAGO CITY: 28,000
COOK COUNTY: 55,000
DUPAGE OCUNTY: 14,000
lAKE COUNTY: 7,000

GUAM: 45,000
ANDREW'S COUNTRY (AUS): 129,000
MEXICO: 200,000

AND THE MOST Popluated states comprise of NEVADA, TEXAS, MD, CA, HI, IL, NJ, NY, WA, FL

Chances are you'd be standing next to a hot filipina chick in any concert venue.

world census: http://www.answers.com/topic/overseas-filipino

I'm not sure I even understand what you are trying to say here, but if I was average Joe Filipino hanging out here in the US, what makes you think I would care about Journey at all? You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

[Saint John]

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I am going to take this challenge with confidence and excitement and move it a notch higher: in the u.s. alone, the sales from filipinos (alone) will far exceed the 100,000, another 100,000 from Fiiipinos all over the globe, and 100,000 from the Philippines.
I am also looking forward to a showdown in CALIFORNIA ticket sales:

Total Filipinos in the Ccountry: 60Million plus
Total Filipinos outside the country: 11Million
Total US FilAm populaiton: 4Million
Total California FilAm population: 918,000

CA: 918,000
......LA County: 262,000
.......San Diego: 121,000
.......LA City: 120,000
.......SF: 40,000
.......Alameda.....69,000
Central COstal COunty: 34,000
........San Mateo: 60,000
.......Santa CLara: 77,000
.......Solano: 35,000
.......Bay Area: 24,000
.......Inland Sacramento: 24,000
......San Joaquin: 21,000


HI: 275000
IL: 86,000
NJ: 85,000
NY: 81,000


MIDWEST:

CHICAGO CITY: 28,000
COOK COUNTY: 55,000
DUPAGE OCUNTY: 14,000
lAKE COUNTY: 7,000

GUAM: 45,000
ANDREW'S COUNTRY (AUS): 129,000
MEXICO: 200,000

AND THE MOST Popluated states comprise of NEVADA, TEXAS, MD, CA, HI, IL, NJ, NY, WA, FL

Chances are you'd be standing next to a hot filipina chick in any concert venue.

world census: http://www.answers.com/topic/overseas-filipino

I'm not sure I even understand what you are trying to say here, but if I was average Joe Filipino hanging out here in the US, what makes you think I would care about Journey at all? You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

That fuckin' line cracked me up.

[Rick]

I'm not sure I even understand what you are trying to say here, but if I was average Joe Filipino hanging out here in the US, what makes you think I would care about Journey at all? You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

That fuckin' line cracked me up.

Me too. Everyone knows it would be Jose Filipino.

[Saint John]

I'm not sure I even understand what you are trying to say here, but if I was average Joe Filipino hanging out here in the US, what makes you think I would care about Journey at all? You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

That fuckin' line cracked me up.

Me too. Everyone knows it would be Jose Filipino.

I was thinking Arnel Filipino.

[ttango1]

And remember it's nationalism not racism.

You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

You back yours. It's quite easy to spend cash on someone that is from your country. It happens all the time there. It's not like they don't know the All the songs, the GH Journey catalog is very popular and many will buy it because they know he sang it well enough to be tabbed frontman for this huge band in America.

There are actually closer to 90 Million Filipinos in a more up-to-date study and in the US over 2.4 Million people who are Filipino according to estimates in the US. Every major band out there that has a prominent Filipino performing has easily sold over 1 Million records. While it's true that some of the sales is because of that ethnic tie-in, the bulk of it is because other ethnicities thought the music was good. Whether it be Nicole of PCD, Apl D Ap of Black Eyed Peas, or Kirk Hammett of Metallica. The music was good and fans all over the world buy.

[Jeremey]

And remember it's nationalism not racism.

You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

You back yours. It's quite easy to spend cash on someone that is from your country. It happens all the time there. It's not like they don't know the All the songs, the GH Journey catalog is very popular and many will buy it because they know he sang it well enough to be tabbed frontman for this huge band in America.

There are actually closer to 90 Million Filipinos in a more up-to-date study and in the US over 2.4 Million people who are Filipino according to estimates in the US. Every major band out there that has a prominent Filipino performing has easily sold over 1 Million records. While it's true that some of the sales is because of that ethnic tie-in, the bulk of it is because other ethnicities thought the music was good. Whether it be Nicole of PCD, Apl D Ap of Black Eyed Peas, or Kirk Hammett of Metallica. The music was good and fans all over the world buy.

All I'm saying is it'd be nice to have the idea that the record sells well because the music is good, not because of the nationality of one of the band members. What do you mean, "I back mine?"

[Arnelian]

And remember it's nationalism not racism.

You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

You back yours. It's quite easy to spend cash on someone that is from your country. It happens all the time there. It's not like they don't know the All the songs, the GH Journey catalog is very popular and many will buy it because they know he sang it well enough to be tabbed frontman for this huge band in America.

There are actually closer to 90 Million Filipinos in a more up-to-date study and in the US over 2.4 Million people who are Filipino according to estimates in the US. Every major band out there that has a prominent Filipino performing has easily sold over 1 Million records. While it's true that some of the sales is because of that ethnic tie-in, the bulk of it is because other ethnicities thought the music was good. Whether it be Nicole of PCD, Apl D Ap of Black Eyed Peas, or Kirk Hammett of Metallica. The music was good and fans all over the world buy.

All I'm saying is it'd be nice to have the idea that the record sells well because the music is good, not because of the nationality of one of the band members. What do you mean, "I back mine?"

the idea that a certain music is an abosolute good recording is not dependent from a certain sect of society alone. If a certain group of people thinks it is good enough for them, then it is good for them even though joe blow does not think otherwise. how many bands are there in the u.s. and how many hits are there? are all of them good? i love the group YES and feel they are the ultimate art band but what do you feel about them? it is all subjective. the thing is that, people can make claims without supporting facts. what is a good journey music? is it a power ballad? a rocking tune? a midtempo? The reality of the numbers is presented right in your screen. it cannot be denied!

[The Sushi Hunter]

Don't pay any attention to that bogus Filipino population trash. I'm from the bay area and I know how many Filipinos are around here. I know where the higher concentration of them are from city to city and the crap above is completely wrong. Obviously the guy looked up cities around here and just typed in a figure. Because according to that graph, one smaller city has a higher concentration of Filipinos then the larger one yet I've been to both places and I know what the real score is. Anyone from the Bay Area who reads that will know what the truth is. I would compare that Filipino population claim above to the million man march back in the 90's. With the million man march, the people running it said there were two million attendees, but photo's taken over the march looking down showed that the number of attendees was closer to only 400,000. And as stated above, just because there are Filipino's in an area doesn't mean they are going to go out and purchase the Journey CD. Hell, I know about ten Filipino's in my area alone and they are so old, I asked them if they heard about Arnel and Journey and not one of them knew what the hell I was talking about. So that's ten less units sold in my little city right off the bat.

In regards to the Arnel/Journey deal, only time is going to tell really. If they suck then the Arnelians will go away. On the other hand, if they rock hard and generate a bunch of success, then the Arnelians can say they told us so.

[wildone]

And remember it's nationalism not racism.

You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

You back yours. It's quite easy to spend cash on someone that is from your country. It happens all the time there. It's not like they don't know the All the songs, the GH Journey catalog is very popular and many will buy it because they know he sang it well enough to be tabbed frontman for this huge band in America.

There are actually closer to 90 Million Filipinos in a more up-to-date study and in the US over 2.4 Million people who are Filipino according to estimates in the US. Every major band out there that has a prominent Filipino performing has easily sold over 1 Million records. While it's true that some of the sales is because of that ethnic tie-in, the bulk of it is because other ethnicities thought the music was good. Whether it be Nicole of PCD, Apl D Ap of Black Eyed Peas, or Kirk Hammett of Metallica. The music was good and fans all over the world buy.

All I'm saying is it'd be nice to have the idea that the record sells well because the music is good, not because of the nationality of one of the band members. What do you mean, "I back mine?"

the idea that a certain music is an abosolute good recording is not dependent from a certain sect of society alone. If a certain group of people thinks it is good enough for them, then it is good for them even though joe blow does not think otherwise. how many bands are there in the u.s. and how many hits are there? are all of them good? i love the group YES and feel they are the ultimate art band but what do you feel about them? it is all subjective. the thing is that, people can make claims without supporting facts. what is a good journey music? is it a power ballad? a rocking tune? a midtempo? The reality of the numbers is presented right in your screen. it cannot be denied!

LMAO ok lets see what happens when the album hits the stores if it's crap no matter what language it is ...it's still crap..and sales will show it...and so will the critics whether here or in whatever music magazine you choose but of course there might be 100,000 to say other wise

[The Sushi Hunter]

Chances are you'd be standing next to a hot filipina chick in any concert venue.

See...I knew your cool!

[Arnelian]

And remember it's nationalism not racism.

You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

You back yours. It's quite easy to spend cash on someone that is from your country. It happens all the time there. It's not like they don't know the All the songs, the GH Journey catalog is very popular and many will buy it because they know he sang it well enough to be tabbed frontman for this huge band in America.

There are actually closer to 90 Million Filipinos in a more up-to-date study and in the US over 2.4 Million people who are Filipino according to estimates in the US. Every major band out there that has a prominent Filipino performing has easily sold over 1 Million records. While it's true that some of the sales is because of that ethnic tie-in, the bulk of it is because other ethnicities thought the music was good. Whether it be Nicole of PCD, Apl D Ap of Black Eyed Peas, or Kirk Hammett of Metallica. The music was good and fans all over the world buy.

All I'm saying is it'd be nice to have the idea that the record sells well because the music is good, not because of the nationality of one of the band members. What do you mean, "I back mine?"

the idea that a certain music is an abosolute good recording is not dependent from a certain sect of society alone. If a certain group of people thinks it is good enough for them, then it is good for them even though joe blow does not think otherwise. how many bands are there in the u.s. and how many hits are there? are all of them good? i love the group YES and feel they are the ultimate art band but what do you feel about them? it is all subjective. the thing is that, people can make claims without supporting facts. what is a good journey music? is it a power ballad? a rocking tune? a midtempo? The reality of the numbers is presented right in your screen. it cannot be denied!

LMAO ok lets see what happens when the album hits the stores if it's crap no matter what language it is ...it's still crap..and sales will show it...and so will the critics whether here or in whatever music magazine you choose but of course there might be 100,000 to say other wise

what is a crappy album? and by who's definition? yours? you already made a decision before it came out. but i will challenge you to a bet or to anyone: if it reaches beyond 100,000 sales by december 2008, you agree to disappear from this board forever or make a concession of ere. i will agree to disappear forever from this board and i will concede my error. anyone? let's put all our theoris to test!!

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And remember it's nationalism not racism.

You think 100,000 Filipinos will buy the new Journey record, sound unheard, just because the new singer is a Fillipino citizen? That has a little undercurrent of racism, to be honest.

You back yours. It's quite easy to spend cash on someone that is from your country. It happens all the time there. It's not like they don't know the All the songs, the GH Journey catalog is very popular and many will buy it because they know he sang it well enough to be tabbed frontman for this huge band in America.

There are actually closer to 90 Million Filipinos in a more up-to-date study and in the US over 2.4 Million people who are Filipino according to estimates in the US. Every major band out there that has a prominent Filipino performing has easily sold over 1 Million records. While it's true that some of the sales is because of that ethnic tie-in, the bulk of it is because other ethnicities thought the music was good. Whether it be Nicole of PCD, Apl D Ap of Black Eyed Peas, or Kirk Hammett of Metallica. The music was good and fans all over the world buy.

All I'm saying is it'd be nice to have the idea that the record sells well because the music is good, not because of the nationality of one of the band members. What do you mean, "I back mine?"

the idea that a certain music is an abosolute good recording is not dependent from a certain sect of society alone. If a certain group of people thinks it is good enough for them, then it is good for them even though joe blow does not think otherwise. how many bands are there in the u.s. and how many hits are there? are all of them good? i love the group YES and feel they are the ultimate art band but what do you feel about them? it is all subjective. the thing is that, people can make claims without supporting facts. what is a good journey music? is it a power ballad? a rocking tune? a midtempo? The reality of the numbers is presented right in your screen. it cannot be denied!

LMAO ok lets see what happens when the album hits the stores if it's crap no matter what language it is ...it's still crap..and sales will show it...and so will the critics whether here or in whatever music magazine you choose but of course there might be 100,000 to say other wise

what is a crappy album? and by who's definition? yours? you already made a decision before it came out. but i will challenge you to a bet or to anyone: if it reaches beyond 100,000 sales by december 2008, you agree to disappear from this board forever or make a concession of ere. i will agree to disappear forever from this board and i will concede my error. anyone? let's put all our theoris to test!!

I thought you said 200,000 in sales earlier!