Survivor vs. Bryan Adams

[Journey/Survivor]

(BA and Billy Joel)) aren't in the same league as Journey, Survivor, Foreigner etc, etc.

LOL. FACT-- All those bands you just cited would open for Adams or Billy J today.

Dumb fuck.

Survivor and Foreigner would open for BA or Billy Joel, but Journey are still as popular as BA. Plus, popularity doesn't prove greatness.

Dipshit.

[mikemarrs]

that would be a pretty strange bill...

survivor opening up for billy joel.

[annie89509]

my my, we've got quite a debate going on here. I voted for Bryan Adams because of all his successes as detailed, and I have his GH. I'm not that familiar with Survivor, only heard a few of their songs on the radio, and primarily digs regarding them being a wannabe Journey, and JJ being a poor man's SP.

Regardless on the debate at hand there is no way in hell that Jimi Jamison is a poor man's Steve Perry. Completely different.

Finalflight, I haven't heard enough of Jimi to form an opinion either way. This is what I have read from other people. Granted, they were probably Journey/SP fans. Can you give me some examples as to how they are different?

Perry himself thought that Jamison was ripping him off in the 1980s - "That guy's got no class", I think he said - but I always thought this was a bit unfair. There are some similiarities but Jamison's style is a lot more direct and unfussy. There's no warbling or going off the scale with Jamison. I guess he's a bit more 'rock' and less 'R n B'. He's not as extraordinary as Perry but in terms of straightforward AOR singing Jamison is the best vocalist in the entire field, I reckon...well, him or Lou Gramm.

Matt, I remember reading the interview where he said that -- one of those archived articles on a Journey tribute site. It was during ROR era, and SP was at the peak of fame and fortune. In retrospect, everyone has surmised (SP himself would agree, I think) that he was at the height of his top-dog personna. He talked, almost with disdain, about so many bands trying to copy the Journey sound and singers imitating his style. "Imitation is the best form of flattery," I think he went on to say.

Anyway, do you know who that person is on your avatar? Someone said Don Henley, but it sure doesn't look like him.

[Vladan]

(BA and Billy Joel)) aren't in the same league as Journey, Survivor, Foreigner etc, etc.

LOL. FACT-- All those bands you just cited would open for Adams or Billy J today.

Dumb fuck.

Survivor and Foreigner would open for BA or Billy Joel, but Journey are still as popular as BA. Plus, popularity doesn't prove greatness.

Dipshit.

Oooo

[mikemarrs]

my my, we've got quite a debate going on here. I voted for Bryan Adams because of all his successes as detailed, and I have his GH. I'm not that familiar with Survivor, only heard a few of their songs on the radio, and primarily digs regarding them being a wannabe Journey, and JJ being a poor man's SP.

Regardless on the debate at hand there is no way in hell that Jimi Jamison is a poor man's Steve Perry. Completely different.

Finalflight, I haven't heard enough of Jimi to form an opinion either way. This is what I have read from other people. Granted, they were probably Journey/SP fans. Can you give me some examples as to how they are different?

Perry himself thought that Jamison was ripping him off in the 1980s - "That guy's got no class", I think he said - but I always thought this was a bit unfair. There are some similiarities but Jamison's style is a


lot more direct and unfussy. There's no warbling or going off the scale with Jamison. I guess he's a bit more 'rock' and less 'R n B'. He's not as extraordinary as Perry but in terms of straightforward AOR singing Jamison is the best vocalist in the entire field, I reckon...well, him or Lou Gramm.

Matt, I remember reading the interview where he said that -- one of those archived articles on a Journey tribute site. It was during ROR era, and SP was at the peak of fame and fortune. In retrospect, everyone has surmised (SP himself would agree, I think) that he was at the height of his top-dog personna. He talked, almost with disdain, about so many bands trying to copy the Journey sound and singers imitating his style. "Imitation is the best form of flattery," I think he went on to say.

Anyway, do you know who that person is on your avatar? Someone said Don Henley, but it sure doesn't look like him.

yep its don henley.i think about 1975 or so probably around the time they made 'one of these nights' lp i'm guessing.

[Red13JoePa]

Adams is good, more popular, more people would choose him but I happened to like Survivor better, even if their leader has forever kept them from reaching Journey status.

[Rockindeano]

(BA and Billy Joel)) aren't in the same league as Journey, Survivor, Foreigner etc, etc.

LOL. FACT-- All those bands you just cited would open for Adams or Billy J today.

Dumb fuck.

Survivor and Foreigner would open for BA or Billy Joel, but Journey are still as popular as BA. Plus, popularity doesn't prove greatness.

Dipshit.

Oooo

Vladan and Journey/Survivor. I know full well record sales do not make the band better, but when you add up, popularity, sales, concert draw, radio play and hits, and all the other intangibles; and at the same time, look the other way too...the bad things...Survivor having a total of about 5 hits, and never being an arena performer on their own; and then look at Journey. They may be as talented as Adams band, I don't know. Neal and Scott are even. Cain can write but IMO not nearly as good as BA. Ross can't compete with Norm Fischer or BA himself for that matter. Yeah, BA plays bass too. Tommy Mandell is every bit as good or better drummer than Castronovo is. Don't believe me, ask the Wombat.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Neal and Scott are even.

I think your fondness for BA clouds your vision here. Scott is a fantastic player when it comes to melody (even EVH said so) but for technical ability its Neal - who is no slouch on the melody side either. I know that i can play pretty much anything i heard Scott play, but working out and playing Neal's stuff takes a lot longer and more practice. Not that technical wizardry is everything...Steve Vai is amazing but 5 minutes of him is enough for a lifetime.

[Journey/Survivor]

I'm not bringing this up to continue the Bryan Adams/Survivor debate, as far as I'm concerned we can all move on from that, or not, it doesn't matter to me either way.

But I thought that I might list some of Jim Peterik's other songwrting accomplishments.

Here are songs that Jim Peterik wrote/co-wrote...

Eye Of The Tiger #1 on Billboard
Burning heart #2 on Billboard
Vehicle #2 on Billboard, #1 on Cashbox chart
The Search Is Over #4 on Billboard
High On You #8 on Billboard
Is This Love #9 on Billboard
Caught Up In You #10 on Billboard, #1 on US Mainstream Rock chart
I Can't Hold Back #13 on Billboard, #1 on US Mainstream Rock chart
American Heartbeat #17 on Billboard
Hold On Loosely #27 on Billboard, #3 on US Mainstream Rock chart
Poor Man's son #33 on Billboard
The Sound Of Your Voice #33 on Billboard, #2 on US Mainstream Rock chart
You Wouldn't Listen #42 on Billboard, #7 on Chicago's regional charts
Rockin Into The Night #43 on Billboard
How Much Love #51 on Billboard
Fantasy girl #52 on Billboard, #30 on US Mainstream Rock chart
First Night #53 on Billboard
Didn't Know It Was Love #61 on Billboard, #40 on US Mainstream Rock chart
Summer Nights #62 on Billboard
The Moment Of Truth #63 on Billboard
Somewhere In America #70 on Billboard
L.A. Goodbye #73 on Billboard, #1 for 5 straight weeks on Chicago's regional charts
Across The Miles #74 on Billboard, #16 on A.C. chart
The One That Really Matters #74 on Billboard
Caught In The Game #77 on Billboard, #16 on US Mainstream Rock chart
Man Against The World #86 on Billboard
Rebel Girl #103 on Billboard
Rebel To Rebel #30 on US Mainstream Rock chart
Fade To Blue #33 on US Mainstream Rock chart
Wild Eyed Southern Boys #35 on US Mainstream Rock chart

He co-wrote the song "Heavy Metal" with Sammy Hagar, which I'm sure charted, but I don't know where.
He has written songs for way to many bands to name, but some of them are...
Survivor
38 Special
Ides Of March
Deep Purple
Cheap Trick
Chase
Pride Of Lions
Two Fires

[Saint John]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

[X factor]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

Make it 37 for BA, baby!!!!

Survivor...meh...

[Rockindeano]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

Make it 37 for BA, baby!!!!

Survivor...meh...

You leave me hangin for 5 days against the JV band? You two bit sumbitch

[treetopovskaya]

oooooh! i thought that was kevin bacon!! ];C))

[mikemarrs]

we're all winners is sort of like the ralph nader of this poll.he steals votes that could've swayed the balance either way but i sense a few hanging chads.

[kgdjpubs]

my my, we've got quite a debate going on here. I voted for Bryan Adams because of all his successes as detailed, and I have his GH. I'm not that familiar with Survivor, only heard a few of their songs on the radio, and primarily digs regarding them being a wannabe Journey, and JJ being a poor man's SP.

Regardless on the debate at hand there is no way in hell that Jimi Jamison is a poor man's Steve Perry. Completely different.

I never quite understood that either. Perry vocally is all Sam Cooke soul. Jamison is Memphis-style blues as far as his influences go. You don't hear it often on Survivor (more on some of the old stuff like Target and Cobra, which eventually evolved into the more well known Gotthard with a different singer), but the man can belt out some blues when he wants to.

[kgdjpubs]

While I liked a lot of what BA did..I never considered him to be a great singer. In is prime..Jimi was much better.

And what does his "prime" consist of? Rocky III and IV?

If you're limiting it to that, you would have to further narrow it down to Rocky IV. Dave Bickler did Eye of the Tiger, better than Jamison ever did, IMO. Jamison never had the edge in his voice that Bickler has, and Tiger can get REALLY cheesy quicky if you lose the edge.

As far as "prime" goes though, I would have to say up through the release of Too Hot To Sleep, circa 1988--which is probably some of the best vocals Jamison ever did. The solo cd in the early 90s wasn't exactly his finest moment vocally or songs, then the voice started going downhill a bit through the 90s.

[kgdjpubs]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

If Bryan Adams wants to win, the poll should be changed to Who is the Better Live band, then it becomes a clear cut case in BA's favor. Survivor was fairly good at one time, but are have effectively sucked live since Jim Peterik left in the mid 90s. Bryan Adams was consistently good live. I doubt you would get much arguement from even the most dedicated Survivor fans over that one.

[Rockindeano]

Actually, and I am being dead serious here, Bryan Adams is a great great singer. Now, his voice definitely is not a Perry or even Jamison, but he is a very good singer at what material he sings, and I think that is a testament to his smarts...You write what you can sing. Perry was awfully bright too. He had to know his legacy was set. He had to know no one could replicate his voice.

Yes Steve, you are the modern day King. I still think Elvis is King, for what he paved, but Perry respected the King and proved his own weight, much like JSS did with Perry.

[Journey/Survivor]

While I liked a lot of what BA did..I never considered him to be a great singer. In is prime..Jimi was much better.

And what does his "prime" consist of? Rocky III and IV?

If you're limiting it to that, you would have to further narrow it down to Rocky IV. Dave Bickler did Eye of the Tiger, better than Jamison ever did, IMO. Jamison never had the edge in his voice that Bickler has, and Tiger can get REALLY cheesy quicky if you lose the edge.

As far as "prime" goes though, I would have to say up through the release of Too Hot To Sleep, circa 1988--which is probably some of the best vocals Jamison ever did. The solo cd in the early 90s wasn't exactly his finest moment vocally or songs, then the voice started going downhill a bit through the 90s.

IMO Jamison's voice was at it's absolute best on WSC. I much, much prefer their THTS album, but just as far as Jamison's voice is concerned, IMO WSC is as great as any singer can ever sound.

Dave Bickler was the original singer on EOTT, and I agree that it's best when sung by him. But I've always thought that Jamison does a great job on it too.

I agree that Jamison's voice didn't sound quite as good on his WLCD album, but he sounded awesome on his Empires album which was from the late 90's. He hasn't lost much.

[Rockindeano]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

If Bryan Adams wants to win, the poll should be changed to Who is the Better Live band, then it becomes a clear cut case in BA's favor. Survivor was fairly good at one time, but are have effectively sucked live since Jim Peterik left in the mid 90s. Bryan Adams was consistently good live. I doubt you would get much arguement from even the most dedicated Survivor fans over that one.

See, I actually like Survivor when they opened for REO/Styx. They are a decent good band. I am just sayin, for all you who question BA, you really should look at the numbers and here the world's reviews. He is as big as Bruce over in Europe.

[Rockindeano]

IMO Jamison's voice was at it's absolute best on WSC. I much, much prefer their THTS album, but just as far as Jamison's voice is concerned, IMO WSC is as great as any singer can ever sound.

This is where I get all fired up.

Hey I know a couple guys who sound a lot better.

Let me introduce you to Steve fucking Perry and Jeff Scott Soto.

[Journey/Survivor]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

If Bryan Adams wants to win, the poll should be changed to Who is the Better Live band, then it becomes a clear cut case in BA's favor. Survivor was fairly good at one time, but are have effectively sucked live since Jim Peterik left in the mid 90s. Bryan Adams was consistently good live. I doubt you would get much arguement from even the most dedicated Survivor fans over that one.

Actually, Survivor aren't missing much LIVE without Peterik. It's the songwriting and in the studio where their greatly missing Peterik.

I'm not as big of a Robin McCauley fan as I am Jamison and Bickler, but he is an excellent frontman.
Sullivan is a great guitarist, be it live or in the studio.
Marc Droubay is a great drummer, I wish he would play a drum solo at every show.
Chris Grove has been playing some really nice keyboard solos at all of the shows for the last few years.

Survivor are still a great live band.

Now, I've only been to one Bryan Adams concert, so maybe it changes from show to show? But when I saw them live they did a great job playing the songs, but there wasn't really much to putting on a show.

[Deb]

Actually, and I am being dead serious here, Bryan Adams is a great great singer. Now, his voice definitely is not a Perry or even Jamison, but he is a very good singer at what material he sings, and I think that is a testament to his smarts...You write what you can sing. Perry was awfully bright too. He had to know his legacy was set. He had to know no one could replicate his voice.

Yes Steve, you are the modern day King. I still think Elvis is King, for what he paved, but Perry respected the King and proved his own weight, much like JSS did with Perry.

Great post!

[Rockindeano]

Hey folks, if you all think about this.....

What would you say if Survivor went on tour with BA and opened? Not being an asshole, but I am serious. That would be a nifty bill.

[Journey/Survivor]

As I type this the poll results have Survivor at 40 votes, Bryan Adams at 36 votes, and the last poll option at 17. However, if we break it down a bit more we get these, more accurate, poll results. I hope this clear things up a bit.

Bryan Adams 36 votes
Survivor 25 votes (approximately 15 votes coming from a "terminally ill" mental case in Southern Florida...we think.)

17 votes for that silly last option

If Bryan Adams wants to win, the poll should be changed to Who is the Better Live band, then it becomes a clear cut case in BA's favor. Survivor was fairly good at one time, but are have effectively sucked live since Jim Peterik left in the mid 90s. Bryan Adams was consistently good live. I doubt you would get much arguement from even the most dedicated Survivor fans over that one.

See, I actually like Survivor when they opened for REO/Styx. They are a decent good band. I am just sayin, for all you who question BA, you really should look at the numbers and here the world's reviews. He is as big as Bruce over in Europe.

I'm not trying to diminish Bryan Adams career in any way, seriously, I do like a lot of his songs, and I don't have anything against him.

Bruce Suckstein on the other hand...

[Saint John]

Hey folks, if you all think about this.....

What would you say if Survivor went on tour with BA and opened? Not being an asshole, but I am serious. That would be a nifty bill.

Could you see it, Dean? All of us shit faced making fun of Red13JoePa as he spends the entire show trying to explain to us that Adams should've been the opening act. All the while we taunt him and tell him he's gay.

[Rockindeano]

Bruce Suckstein on the other hand...

You have got to be joking. He is the God of Music. There is NO ONE bigger. Not the Stones, not U2, Not Zeppelin. Come on dude.

[Journey/Survivor]

IMO Jamison's voice was at it's absolute best on WSC. I much, much prefer their THTS album, but just as far as Jamison's voice is concerned, IMO WSC is as great as any singer can ever sound.

This is where I get all fired up.

Hey I know a couple guys who sound a lot better.

Let me introduce you to Steve fucking Perry and Jeff Scott Soto.

Well, the answer to "who's a better singer" is largely subjective. You prefer Perry and Soto, and I prefer Jamison, although not by much over Perry.

Jamison's my favorite singer with Perry a very close second. As much as I do like Soto's singing I still don't consider him to be at Jamison and Perry's level. I'm not trying to knock Soto in any way, overall he really is good.

[Rockindeano]

Hey folks, if you all think about this.....

What would you say if Survivor went on tour with BA and opened? Not being an asshole, but I am serious. That would be a nifty bill.

Could you see it, Dean? All of us shit faced making fun of Red13JoePa as he spends the entire show trying to explain to us that Adams should've been the opening act. All the while we taunt him and tell him he's gay.

No way. Love JoePa13. Good guy. Slightly retarded but a good dude. Survivor would be a great opening act for BA.

Anyone know how well Survivor is known and received overseas?

[Rockindeano]

IMO Jamison's voice was at it's absolute best on WSC. I much, much prefer their THTS album, but just as far as Jamison's voice is concerned, IMO WSC is as great as any singer can ever sound.

This is where I get all fired up.

Hey I know a couple guys who sound a lot better.

Let me introduce you to Steve fucking Perry and Jeff Scott Soto.

Well, the answer to "who's a better singer" is largely subjective. You prefer Perry and Soto, and I prefer Jamison, although not by much over Perry.

Jamison's my favorite singer with Perry a very close second. As much as I do like Soto's singing I still don't consider him to be at Jamison and Perry's level. I'm not trying to knock Soto in any way, overall he really is good.

Fair enough. When I first heard Soto, O said, "get this guy the fuck outta here." Then I actually listened to him. His ability to chameleon his way into any genre is mindblowing. Jeff sings rock, metal, disco, blues, R+B, you name it. IMO, he is better overall singer than JJ.

But dude, I have to ask. How can anyone, sober, say anyone is better than Lord Perry?