Bush Administration lied repeatedly to justify war...what a

[7 Wishes]

Here is all you need to know about Clinton, his failed attempts to capture bin laden and the one time he refused to have bin laden HANDED over to us by the Sudanese government. This article is historically accurate and shows how he completely blew it. 9-11 was like a long football drive. Bin laden drove to the 1 yard line against Clinton and scored against Bush. The planning, trial runs, financing and logistics ALL happened while Clinton was in office.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnist ... d=95001289

Thanks for the link. I've heard some allegations to this effect made in the past. I will get back to you in a couple of days when I have had time to thoroughly research it in its entirety and using multiple sources.

[7 Wishes]

Clinton was ALL OVER terrorism.

You're such a dope! Is that why Clinton had to send Sandy Burger into the National Archive and smuggle out documents in his socks and undies before the 9/11 commission report? Dope! You crack me up man!

Those documents implicated Burger himself, not Clinton.

Cut-and-paste, cut-and-paste, ignore, ignore, ignore. The surefire Republican response on this board to any information that might damn their torpedoes.

[SteveForever]

Cut-and-paste, cut-and-paste, ignore, ignore, ignore. The surefire Republican response on this board to any information that might damn their torpedoes.

I love that approach that we were LIED to, typical Dem approach to life, find something that absolves your responsibility but you've got no problem accusing the Republicans of not having clairvoyance and nothing is wrong with my grammar...

[RedWingFan]

Limbaugh? Hell yes.

Like I said, I feel embarrassed for you. To even admit this publicly. Uou need help dude.

Why? Personal reasons? He's kicked his habit. Have you?
He's for freedom, not socialism. He's for rewarding hard work, not punishing it. To create opportunity for others to achieve. He's for limited government which has too many "corrupt" politicians as you've admitted.
I know this runs opposite of your, "Where do I stand in line for my handout?" Utopia.
No, I'm not embarrassed at all. You should be embarrassed for yourself.

[Saint John]

Here is all you need to know about Clinton, his failed attempts to capture bin laden and the one time he refused to have bin laden HANDED over to us by the Sudanese government. This article is historically accurate and shows how he completely blew it. 9-11 was like a long football drive. Bin laden drove to the 1 yard line against Clinton and scored against Bush. The planning, trial runs, financing and logistics ALL happened while Clinton was in office.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnist ... d=95001289

Thanks for the link. I've heard some allegations to this effect made in the past. I will get back to you in a couple of days when I have had time to thoroughly research it in its entirety and using multiple sources.

Fair enough. I researched some, but not all, of it. I read up over the last few days and have waited to post to ensure I had accurate information. I believe this to be accurate.

[RedWingFan]

Clinton was ALL OVER terrorism.

You're such a dope! Is that why Clinton had to send Sandy Burger into the National Archive and smuggle out documents in his socks and undies before the 9/11 commission report? Dope! You crack me up man!

Those documents implicated Burger himself, not Clinton.

Cut-and-paste, cut-and-paste, ignore, ignore, ignore. The surefire Republican response on this board to any information that might damn their torpedoes.

Burger let you read them before he shredded? Dope! I love you man!

[7 Wishes]

I love that approach that we were LIED to, typical Dem approach to life, find something that absolves your responsibility but you've got no problem accusing the Republicans of not having clairvoyance and nothing is wrong with my grammar...

I'm not talking about clairvoyance...I am talking about OUTRIGHT LIES.

Good Lord. One is more likely to elicit a sensible response with a well-constructed argument from a brick wall or Oscar the Grouch than from you.

[7 Wishes]

d-paste, ignore, ignore, ignore. The surefire Republican response on this board to any information that might damn their torpedoes.

Burger let you read them before he shredded? Dope! I love you man! [/quote]

For one of the most ignorant and least well-rounded people I have ever encountered on any message board, you certainly have a lot of audacity. You are the prototypical American conservative the rest of the world makes fun of.

[RedWingFan]

It's our foreign policy (inherently pro-Israeli) that is the root cause of the Muslim world's hatred of the United States.

Yeah, the Barbary Pirates raided our vessles in the 1700's because of our pro-Israeli foreign policy (even though Israel was 200 years from being born )
It wasn't because their prophet Mohammed said that any man who wasn't a mussleman (Muslim) should be enslaved or killed. No that wasn't it. It's because our foreign policy on a nation that wouldn't yet exist for 200 years.
I'm done for the night. Gotta spend time with the wifey!

[Rockindeano]

Limbaugh? Hell yes.

Like I said, I feel embarrassed for you. To even admit this publicly. Uou need help dude.

Why? Personal reasons? He's kicked his habit. Have you?
He's for freedom, not socialism. He's for rewarding hard work, not punishing it. To create opportunity for others to achieve. He's for limited government which has too many "corrupt" politicians as you've admitted.
I know this runs opposite of your, "Where do I stand in line for my handout?" Utopia.
No, I'm not embarrassed at all. You should be embarrassed for yourself.

He is for drug abusers to go to jail, except when he gets busted.

Noboby who thinks for themselves listens to him. Hey if you need your Limbaugh, more power to ya. Sad.

[Uno_up]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Those people are just sad. I was in Topeka last weekend to see the band Kansas and they were outside picketing. We must they bring their children into this?

ignorance. i hate these mother fuckers. we used to have a gay mayor where i live and these douchebags chose to come here the week of our annual music festival to picket his gayness. the police had a section roped off where they were picketing and also an area for the anti-phelps crowd to assemble. these guys could basically say/scream whatever the hell they wanted and have their small children doing it too, all the while videotaping everything with the hopes that someone on the other side crosses the line and assaults one of them. they must make a small fortune in lawsuits.
my son went to a memorial service at virginia tech last may and these assholes were there as well, screaming shit like "those people deserved to die!"...sick fuckers. i'm all for free speech, but this just isn't right.

[Rockindeano]

How on Earth did those Virginia Tech kids deserve to die?

[Uno_up]

How on Earth did those Virginia Tech kids deserve to die?

only fred could tell you.
of course, that whole situation was a travesty...but fuckhead fred & co were there looking for lawsuits.

[Saint John]

As president, the first thing I would do would be to get a Special Ops team and tell them in the still of the night to take out Phelps and his followers...all of them.

[RedWingFan]

That being said...the most conservative among you have yet to say one disparaging thing about W or his policies. You keep telling us you're "independent-minded" but you're (IMO) nothing but GOP lackeys.

That's because the thread you started was about the war. It wasn't on immigration, open boarders or outrageous spending...etc...

All I want to know is...there is NO DISPUTING that W and the Administration knew they were lying about Iraq / 9-11. Care to elaborate on that point ONLY without throwing all this other B.S. in?

I know when he announced to the public that the war with Saddam's Iraq had started. He sited at least a half dozen reasons. Saddam being involved in 9/11 was NOT one of them. He sited all the resolution's that were broken, he sited WMD's among other things.
We know you "think" he lied about WMD's, did he also lie about all the broken resolutions and violations with inspectors over the years and the laundry list of reasons? No he didn't. We had plenty of reasons to go in. Bush did what Dem's and Rep's said needed to be done for at least a decade. Now you squeal saying he was the only one that wanted to go. He lied to everyone to trick them into going in. +

[Rockindeano]

Dude, it's cited, not sited, and your great VP Cheney still to this day links Iraq with 9/11.

[mikemarrs]

i haven't had a drop of alcohol in ten years but the last day of george bush's term in office on january 19,2009 i'm going to pop open a bottle of champaigne and celebrate the ending of one the worst fucking periods this country has ever seen.anyone who says the last eight years have been good must need their head examined.

[bluejeangirl76]

i haven't had a drop of alcohol in ten years but the last day of george bush's term in office on january 19,2009 i'm going to pop open a bottle of champaigne and celebrate the ending of one the worst fucking periods this country has ever seen.anyone who says the last eight years have been good must need their head examined.

I plan to do the same. A grand day it shall be. And finally, we're less than a year away.

[mikemarrs]

i worked nights when the terrorist attacks happened on september 11,2001 i had been staying in a motel for a couple days before i moved into my new place.well anyway i get up about three in the afternoon and every channel on cable TV is showing the same stuff or news footage.i had a bad feeling something had happened so get in the car and this whole family of arabians who owns this motel are peeking out the window at me and then they jerked the blinds back.i'm like this is a strange day so far.

well anyway i get in the car turn on the radio and start hearing about pearl harbor and shit and how we are fixing to go to war because we were attacked.i had still yet to hear about the twin towers,pentagon but at that point i was scared shitless because i thought russia or somebody had done attacked us.barely any cars were on the highway.i went into the store and people are crying and it made me even more nervous.

well i get to work and they said the foreign people who work there left early and they were scared someone was going to retaliate on them.these were real nice people and i felt bad for them.anyway i turn on the radio and heard about the towers being hit and all this stuff about world war 3 and the end of the world.now everyone was looking over their shoulder a little more now than they did after that day.

can't anyone tell me that bush has had a good presidency since then.we've had recessions and then bush goes after the wrong country and doesn't even go after bin laden.then offers to fly the damn family of bin laden safely out of america because he is friends with them.hell my best friend has been in iraq since the first shots of the war were fired in the spring of '03.hasn't even got to see his daughter grow up and she was born that year.

i think this last seven years or so has sucked badly in a lot of ways.i can't wait for this evil dictator to leave.i know a lot of people here might not admit it but i will.i think he is capable of starting another war in a heartbeat.if he attacks iran i think that might be a very bad mistake.bush is on a lot of countries most evil person in the world list or most hated.i'll be glad the moment him and his cronies leave the white house.i'd have the clintons back in a heartbeat.those were great years and could be again.....

[stevew2]

I drink wine every night,when that idot is out off office, it will be a two bottle night.What a tool he was and is

[Red13JoePa]

He won the last 2 elections

Don't shoot me - I'm just the piano player!

And Reagan was married three times, wasn't he? I know he left his last wife because he was having an affair with Nancy.

What?!

Holy crap, didn't know that one...

[Wally_Hatchet]

There is a HUGE difference between a bold-faced liar (Bill Clinton) and receiving BAD INTELLIGENCE from the CIA.

[Eric]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Screw me? Did I mention you Dave?

Hey, it was Fox News and most notably Jon Gibson, who says this is deserved, not I.

Show me where he said that

[Eric]

i worked nights when the terrorist attacks happened on september 11,2001 i had been staying in a motel for a couple days before i moved into my new place.well anyway i get up about three in the afternoon and every channel on cable TV is showing the same stuff or news footage.i had a bad feeling something had happened so get in the car and this whole family of arabians who owns this motel are peeking out the window at me and then they jerked the blinds back.i'm like this is a strange day so far.

well anyway i get in the car turn on the radio and start hearing about pearl harbor and shit and how we are fixing to go to war because we were attacked.i had still yet to hear about the twin towers,pentagon but at that point i was scared shitless because i thought russia or somebody had done attacked us.barely any cars were on the highway.i went into the store and people are crying and it made me even more nervous.

well i get to work and they said the foreign people who work there left early and they were scared someone was going to retaliate on them.these were real nice people and i felt bad for them.anyway i turn on the radio and heard about the towers being hit and all this stuff about world war 3 and the end of the world.now everyone was looking over their shoulder a little more now than they did after that day.

can't anyone tell me that bush has had a good presidency since then.we've had recessions and then bush goes after the wrong country and doesn't even go after bin laden.then offers to fly the damn family of bin laden safely out of america because he is friends with them.hell my best friend has been in iraq since the first shots of the war were fired in the spring of '03.hasn't even got to see his daughter grow up and she was born that year.

i think this last seven years or so has sucked badly in a lot of ways.i can't wait for this evil dictator to leave.i know a lot of people here might not admit it but i will.i think he is capable of starting another war in a heartbeat.if he attacks iran i think that might be a very bad mistake.bush is on a lot of countries most evil person in the world list or most hated.i'll be glad the moment him and his cronies leave the white house.i'd have the clintons back in a heartbeat.those were great years and could be again.....

The only recession was one that began in Q4-2000/Q1-2001. JUst because the media mis-uses the term any time there is bad or perceived bad economic news doesn't make it true. A recession is when GDP is negative for 2 consecutive quarters. I believe it was +4.1% in Q4-07.

[The Sushi Hunter]

i haven't had a drop of alcohol in ten years but the last day of george bush's term in office on january 19,2009 i'm going to pop open a bottle of champaigne and celebrate the ending of one the worst fucking periods this country has ever seen.anyone who says the last eight years have been good must need their head examined.

So your going to relapse back into an unhealthy lifestyle? I would have figured it would have been the other way around, where your in the gutter now but will clean up your act as soon as your happy with the new president. Sort of reminds me of people who live clean productive lives and then when they hit their late fifties they get tattoos, piercings, start taking drugs and accumulate a rap sheet with law enforcement. Makes no purfect sense. Good luck my friend.

[ohsherrie]

There is a HUGE difference between a bold-faced liar (Bill Clinton) and receiving BAD INTELLIGENCE from the CIA.

There's also a big difference between being informed and choosing to stay deluded.

It was horrendous that enough people voted for that moron the first time that he was able to have his brother hold out enough of Gore's votes in Florida to let him steal the election. It was disastrous that those people stayed ignorant about what he was really doing and voted the bastard in a second time. It's an appalling tragedy that those people still have their heads in the sand.

I'm finding it so hard to believe that there can be that many Americans who honestly can't see the truth about him and this administration. A lot of your either have to be sticking with him because you're too embarrassed to admit you made a mistake when you voted for him, or you're as corrupt as he is and think killing thousands of Americans over a lie is OK.

He was not given faulty intelligence. He told Tenet what he wanted and wouldn't even consider anything that didn't support the goal of going to war in Iraq over oil.

How many people besides Colin Powell, Alan Greenspan, Paul O'neal and George Tenet have to tell you what really went on before you'll believe it?

Check this out, unless you're either afraid or ashamed to see the truth: http://groups.google.com/group/total_tr ... 99c436bf83

I did see it on TV, and that one blurb was the only one that was ever seen. If that had been charged against Clinton they'd still be investigating it and splashing all of all the main stream media every day.

[Rockindeano]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Screw me? Did I mention you Dave?

Hey, it was Fox News and most notably Jon Gibson, who says this is deserved, not I.

Show me where he said that

Dan Abrams exposed it, and I saw a tape of it on Foxnews, your channel, last night.

[conversationpc]

Cut-and-paste, cut-and-paste, ignore, ignore, ignore. The surefire Republican response on this board to any information that might damn their torpedoes.

Give me a break...Neither side on this board has a moratorium on "Cut-and-paste, cut-and-paste, ignore, ignore, ignore", especially considering you started this thread with a "Cut-and-paste" document funded by the biggest liberal obfuscator of all.

[Arkansas]

Your children and grandchildren will want you to have helped with this problem, and they will want to know why you voted for a person as incompetent and basically evil as Bush when the world of 2050 is in shambles. Bush hasn't saved us; he has condemned us all.

Horsepiss. Each and every generation of peoples is entirely convinced that their doings and lifetime will see about the end of "the world". There are good runs and bad ones too, look back into past times in history (not just American). There have been far worse situations. I'm not a huge fan of Dubya, but I don't hate him either. Dude is what he is, each presidency is different and not ONE single individual should shoulder the blame for the state of the world. Trying to pile all our problems off on one person is infantile. Just because everything happened on his "watch" doesn't mean the moments of prevention or allusion could've been the same time too. This incessant argument has been around since the dawn of politics and will continue to be so. You're not trying to argue any point that opponents of Ceasar Octavian, Justinian, Louis XVI, or William Churchill haven't already. Every leader fucks up, they're human after all. Just don't try to act like he's the first one who ever faltered.

I like this post. It's a little too much on the fence for me, however, it makes perfect sense.

I absolutely can't stand it when someone says that the 'current' president will go down as the worst ever in history. What a load of garbage. Every generation says that. I guarantee you that will be many more 'worst Presidents in history' over the next hundred years.

Speaking of, anyone want to talk about Lyndon B. Johnson? Didn't he escalate war in VietNam just to benefit his business pals? And wasn't he a Dem? What's so different about today when compared to the mid 60s? How many lives were lost pre-1975, some 58,000 ? And why?


later~

[ohsherrie]

Speaking of, anyone want to talk about Lyndon B. Johnson?

No, I never liked him either. I'm not a died-in-the-wool Democrat. In fact I was an independent until Jerry Falwell, Charlton Heston and Dumbya pushed me to the left.

Didn't he escalate war in VietNam just to benefit his business pals? And wasn't he a Dem? What's so different about today when compared to the mid 60s? How many lives were lost pre-1975, some 58,000 ? And why?

later~

So how does that alleviate Bush's culpability in the Iraq disaster? In fact, I'd have thought he might have learned something from it, especially when I remember several people comparing what he was proposing in Iraq to Viet Nam and warning him about it. But then, he was determined to go to Iraq regardless of the consequences so he probably just ignored those warnings just like he ignored then suppressed the intelligence that didn't support his plans.

As for his being the worst president of all time, hopefully there is still some time left to come, but he's by far the worst of my lifetime which has been about twice as long as most of the people on this board.