JOURNEY TOURING CONCEPTS - ATTN: NEAL SCHON

[STORY_TELLER]

WARNING: YOU HAVE ENTERED A FANTASY BRAINSTORMING THREAD
POSTED WITH THE BIZARRE NOTION NEAL MIGHT SEE IT AND CONSIDER THE IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE.


Got tired of seeing more political threads than Journey threads on this music forum, so I thought I'd try and get us back on track.

Like many of you, I personally am still on the fence about going to see another Journey show. I won't even consider it until I've heard Arnel with the band, but even more importantly, I'm tired of the dirty dozen tour. I need to hear new music (of at least TBF quality) from the band both on CD and on tour.

Knowing how I feel, I started asking myself what, if anything, would lure me to take the wife to see a show again? The only answer is basically what they've been doing themselves lately:

A double feature tour.

Then I started looking at things from Neal's perspective. Obviously the group is out there to work for a living. They want the most buck for their bang and we want the most bang for our buck, so what's the happy middle ground?

The answer:


Now, I don't know what the status of Neal and Jon's relationship is with John Waite, and this may have already been suggested before, but think about it. 3/4 of Journey are already Bad English. Assuming Neal, Jon and Deen are physically up to the touring challenge, this would not only be a financial windfall for them, but would center an entire tour on the musical collaboration between Neal and Jon over the years. Touring as both the opening and headlining act allows them to reap all the finances from the double ticket tour and we the fans get to see a hell of a show. Again, assuming they are up to the physical demands of such an outing.

(NOTE: I only left Ross out of that equation because I assumed they would go and hire a session bassist to fill in for Ricky Phillips (who will be on tour with Styx).

So is that a ticket you guys would be interested in seeing? If yes, say it. If not, put up your dream double feature tour. Time to start talking about music again peeps!

[RocknRoll]

WARNING: YOU HAVE ENTERED A FANTASY BRAINSTORMING THREAD
POSTED WITH THE BIZARRE NOTION NEAL MIGHT SEE IT AND CONSIDER THE IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE.


Got tired of seeing more political threads than Journey threads on this music forum, so I thought I'd try and get us back on track.

Like many of you, I personally am still on the fence about going to see another Journey show. I won't even consider it until I've heard Arnel with the band, but even more importantly, I'm tired of the dirty dozen tour. I need to hear new music (of at least TBF quality) from the band both on CD and on tour to really think of Journey as my favorite rock group anymore.

My worst case scenario for 2008 would be another Arrival quality album followed by a greatest hits tour.

Knowing how I feel, and starting from my worst case scenario, I started asking myself what, if anything, would lure me to take the wife to see a show again? The only answer is basically what they've been doing themselves lately:

A double feature tour.

Then I started looking at things from Neal's perspective. Obviously the group is out there to work for a living. They want the most buck for their bang and we want the most bang for our buck, so what's the happy middle ground?

The answer:


Now, I don't know what the status of Neal and Jon's relationship is with John Waite, but think about it. 3/4 of Journey are already Bad English. Assuming Neal, Jon and Deen are physically up to the touring challenge, this would not only be a financial windfall for them, but would center an entire tour on the musical collaboration between Neal and Jon over the years. Touring as both the opening and headlining act allows them to reap all the finances from the double ticket tour and we the fans get to see a hell of a show. Again, assuming they are up to the physical demands of such an outing.

(NOTE: I only left Ross out of that equation because I assumed they would go and hire a session bassist to fill in for Ricky Phillips (who will be on tour with Styx).

So is that a ticket you guys would be interested in seeing? If yes, say it. If not, put up your dream double feature tour. Time to start talking about music again peeps!

Actually I believe Journey/.Jon Waite toured together on one of the SA tours. Unfortunately I missed it, but I believe Neal made a comment about closing the show with some Bad English tunes and was totally shot down by the hard core and he went with their decision.

It;s a new world today

[STORY_TELLER]

Actually I believe Journey/.Jon Waite toured together on one of the SA tours. Unfortunately I missed it, but I believe Neal made a comment about closing the show with some Bad English tunes and was totally shot down by the hard core and he went with their decision.

It;s a new world today

Well, that's the thing. They went on tour with Waite as a solo opening act, but didn't get on stage with him. This is a different scenario altogether. They tour as both Bad English and Journey together. Seems like an obvious idea to me, so I wonder if it was considered at the management level?

[ProgRocker53]

WARNING: YOU HAVE ENTERED A FANTASY BRAINSTORMING THREAD
POSTED WITH THE BIZARRE NOTION NEAL MIGHT SEE IT AND CONSIDER THE IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE.


Got tired of seeing more political threads than Journey threads on this music forum, so I thought I'd try and get us back on track.

Like many of you, I personally am still on the fence about going to see another Journey show. I won't even consider it until I've heard Arnel with the band, but even more importantly, I'm tired of the dirty dozen tour. I need to hear new music (of at least TBF quality) from the band both on CD and on tour to really think of Journey as my favorite rock group anymore.

My worst case scenario for 2008 would be another Arrival quality album followed by a greatest hits tour.

Knowing how I feel, and starting from my worst case scenario, I started asking myself what, if anything, would lure me to take the wife to see a show again? The only answer is basically what they've been doing themselves lately:

A double feature tour.

Then I started looking at things from Neal's perspective. Obviously the group is out there to work for a living. They want the most buck for their bang and we want the most bang for our buck, so what's the happy middle ground?

The answer:


Now, I don't know what the status of Neal and Jon's relationship is with John Waite, and this may have already been suggested before, but think about it. 3/4 of Journey are already Bad English. Assuming Neal, Jon and Deen are physically up to the touring challenge, this would not only be a financial windfall for them, but would center an entire tour on the musical collaboration between Neal and Jon over the years. Touring as both the opening and headlining act allows them to reap all the finances from the double ticket tour and we the fans get to see a hell of a show. Again, assuming they are up to the physical demands of such an outing.

(NOTE: I only left Ross out of that equation because I assumed they would go and hire a session bassist to fill in for Ricky Phillips (who will be on tour with Styx).

So is that a ticket you guys would be interested in seeing? If yes, say it. If not, put up your dream double feature tour. Time to start talking about music again peeps!

AMAZING

AMAZING

INCREDIBLE

IDEA

DO IT, NEAL

[Saint John]

This idea isn't a good one. Bad English wouldn't help draw anyone. They need a co-headliner/opening band that will draw some people.

[STORY_TELLER]

This idea isn't a good one. Bad English wouldn't help draw anyone. They need a co-headliner/opening band that will draw some people.

Maybe not for the Arnel introduction tour, but what about the following year?

[Saint John]

This idea isn't a good one. Bad English wouldn't help draw anyone. They need a co-headliner/opening band that will draw some people.

Maybe not for the Arnel introduction tour, but what about the following year?

They need a band like...Triumph!!! That would be cool.

[STORY_TELLER]

They need a band like...Triumph!!! That would be cool.

Oh FUCK THAT!!! LMAO!!! Rush, sure, but Triumph?? Not for me, uhg.. lol.

Still, at least you're thinking. Throw 'em out there people, maybe we'll hit something Neal will consider.

[Saint John]

This idea isn't a good one. Bad English wouldn't help draw anyone. They need a co-headliner/opening band that will draw some people.

Maybe not for the Arnel introduction tour, but what about the following year?

They need a band like...Triumph!!! That would be cool.

Oh FUCK THAT!!! LMAO!!! Rush, sure, but Triumph?? Uhg... lol.

Triumph would be a better fit than Rush as it pertains to Journey.

[RocknRoll]

Actually I believe Journey/.Jon Waite toured together on one of the SA tours. Unfortunately I missed it, but I believe Neal made a comment about closing the show with some Bad English tunes and was totally shot down by the hard core and he went with their decision.

It;s a new world today

Well, that's the thing. They went on tour with Waite as a solo opening act, but didn't get on stage with him. This is a different scenario altogether. They tour as both Bad English and Journey together. Seems like an obvious idea to me, so I wonder if it was considered at the management level?

What I understood was the response from the hard core fans, was no way they wanted to see Journey take time from their set to perform Bad English. I heard Neal Schon actually wanted to do it at the end of the show.

[7 Wishes]

Triumph, Night Ranger, Loverboy, the Outfield, Survivor, Harem Scarem and Journey. A twelve-hour show with 90 minutes apiece for the first five bands and a three hour set by Journey to close it out. The triumphant return of Steve as he comes onstage for the encore...the crowd goes wild....

[texafana]

I'd love to see Pat Benatar/Cheap Trick/Journey on the same bill. Damn...that would be a fun night!!

[Saint John]

Triumph, Night Ranger, Loverboy, the Outfield, Survivor, Harem Scarem and Journey. A twelve-hour show with 90 minutes apiece for the first five bands and a three hour set by Journey to close it out. The triumphant return of Steve as he comes onstage for the encore...the crowd goes wild....

I would LOVE for that to happen, but sadly it won't.

[RocknRoll]

Triumph, Night Ranger, Loverboy, the Outfield, Survivor, Harem Scarem and Journey. A twelve-hour show with 90 minutes apiece for the first five bands and a three hour set by Journey to close it out. The triumphant return of Steve as he comes onstage for the encore...the crowd goes wild....

OK you are now a total nut case. But who wouldn't be there. Where is our Sweden Rick Festival?.

Take a look at this one. VIP is the only way to go. No bands signed up yet, but they have a great history of classic rock bands.

http://www.moondancejam.com/

And for those of you who don't believe "I am what I am” Here’s a link to last year. Thanks Marty. (Popeye welcomed)

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=27218

[*Laura]

maybe we'll hit something Neal will consider.

I don't believe that Neal is deciding who would tour with them.That's something that Management (read Azoff) will decide based on serious business/marketing studies.It's all about money and how many casual fans (not diehards) can be lured into buying tix.JMO.

Triumph, Night Ranger, Loverboy, the Outfield, Survivor, Harem Scarem and Journey. A twelve-hour show with 90 minutes apiece for the first five bands and a three hour set by Journey to close it out. The triumphant return of Steve as he comes onstage for the encore...the crowd goes wild....

Quickly,can I have what you're having?

For that kind of a show,especially for the last part of it,I'd be able to swim across the Pond.


LOL

[STORY_TELLER]

I don't believe that Neal is deciding who would tour with them.That's something that Management (read Azoff) will decide based on serious business/marketing studies.It's all about money and how many casual fans (not diehards) can be lured into buying tix.JMO.

Yes, of course. My thinking was Neal would consider it and then discuss with Azoff about the feasibility.

[STORY_TELLER]

I'd love to see Pat Benatar/Cheap Trick/Journey on the same bill. Damn...that would be a fun night!!

That does sound like a killer show.

[STORY_TELLER]

What I understood was the response from the hard core fans, was no way they wanted to see Journey take time from their set to perform Bad English. I heard Neal Schon actually wanted to do it at the end of the show.

So was the concern the Journey set would be shorter as a result of the inclusion of the Bad English set? Guess I could see that, but why would the Journey set shorten? Fatigue on the part of the band members? If that's the case, then a double ticket with Bad English wouldn't be possible as I envision a full set from both bands. Would be tough I imagine. Especially on Deen. Too bad, it would be a hell of a concert.

[Rhiannon]

For that kind of a show,especially for the last part of it,I'd be able to swim across the Pond.

But you'd have to hike across a continent to get to said pond. Plus, an airplane would be so much more efficient.

[Andrew]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

[Saint John]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

What would be the big attraction of seeing Bad English? I've seen them and they're average. Nothing about them blew me away, but they were a solid act. Nothing special, though.

[STORY_TELLER]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

That's really too bad. Might as well delete the thread, huh? lol...

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

A year ago, there was some early talk of a double bill with Journey and Queen with Paul Rogers happening in 08.

Of course its impossible now given the fact that Brian May and Jeff Scott Soto are close friends, and unsuprisingly Brian stuck up for JSS in his blog when things kicked off last year.

Would have been a barnburner of a show if it ever would have happened. Damn Pity. Would have given Journey a bigger boost worldwide too!

Now as far as a doublebill in concerned, theyre not going to get anything bigger than their 06 double bill with Def Leppard. Maybe Journey and Kiss would be interesting - I wouldnt jump for joy myself but it might bring people in.

like the idea of lining up several big name bands in a big festival REO, Styx, Surviror (or Pride of Lions) , Night Ranger, Danger Dangert Danny Vaughn, Harem Scarem with Journey topping the evening off

[STORY_TELLER]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

What would be the big attraction of seeing Bad English? I've seen them and they're average. Nothing about them blew me away, but they were a solid act. Nothing special, though.

Well, the idea kind of came to me a while ago, on the Generations tour. The band toured solo that year, with the concept of a Journey retrospective of all their material over the years.

I've never seen Bad English and they have some decent material.

I figured since Journey is pretty much Neal and Jon (Ross just sits in the background too much these days), a tour centered on their collaborative material could be cool. It would cover the marketing of a double ticket tour (Journey/Bad English) with the added incentive (from their pov) of not having to split the profits with another band.

But as Andrew stated, seems like it's not even a possibility with Waite going country.

[STORY_TELLER]

A year ago, there was some early talk of a double bill with Journey and Queen with Paul Rogers happening in 08.

Of course its impossible now given the fact that Brian May and Jeff Scott Soto are close friends, and unsuprisingly Brian stuck up for JSS in his blog when things kicked off last year.

Would have been a barnburner of a show if it ever would have happened. Damn Pity. Would have given Journey a bigger boost worldwide too!

Now as far as a doublebill in concerned, theyre not going to get anything bigger than their 06 double bill with Def Leppard. Maybe Journey and Kiss would be interesting - I wouldnt jump for joy myself but it might bring people in.

like the idea of lining up several big name bands in a big festival REO, Styx, Surviror (or Pride of Lions) , Night Ranger, Danger Dangert Danny Vaughn, Harem Scarem with Journey topping the evening off

You ain't kiddin'. Wow, sick show indeed. Pitty.

I'd really like to see JSS do something with Brian May. Jeff sounds amazing on the Queen material. Better than Paul does by a country mile. I think he'd have tons more chemistry with Brian than he did with Neal.

[Andrew]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

That's really too bad. Might as well delete the thread, huh? lol...

Well, lets come up with some other ideas

[NealIsGod]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

What would be the big attraction of seeing Bad English? I've seen them and they're average.

You did? How old were you, 12? You're only 28 right?

[Saint John]

Waite won't touch this. He should and God bless him, I'd sell my grandmother to hear him rocj again, but he will never do it.

He does things his way and his way only....he's going more country and less rock and will not touch The Babys or BE again.

What would be the big attraction of seeing Bad English? I've seen them and they're average.

You did? How old were you, 12? You're only 28 right?

I'm thinking of when John Waite opened for Journey. Oops. And for the record, I'm 36.

[sniper16]

most bands need a coheadline thing nowdays,
triumph would fit great, but wont tour heavily this year.
bad english never got to the point of headline status.
other bands that would work money wish
night ranger
whitesnake...maybe
kiss
sammy hagar

[jrnyman28]

I know we are off the Bad English topic now that Andrew has spoken, but I think the guys could do it physically. Neal Jon and Deen were all playing for near 3 hours on the Generations Tour. If they did this it would likely be 60 minutes for Bad English and 90 minutes (maybe 120) for Journey.

I think the promotion could be cool. "Neal Schon and Jon Cain. As a part of Bad English they sold x# of albums and reached number 1 with WISYS. As a part of Journey they are resposnsible for some of the greatest songs on the soundtrack of your life including.... Now see both bands together. One night, One stage, all the songs you know and love." Etc....