OT: The Clinton Library

[Rick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw

[Rip Rokken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw

HAHA!!! Better than the real one...

[Rockindeano]

Guy is my idol. Smart, goodlooking, fun natured and he indeed GOT it done.

Hallelujah!

[Perrydise]

Janet Reno - one of his "accomplishments" - lmao.

That was funny.

[bluejeangirl76]

Guy is my idol.

Bill Clinton or Frank Caliendo?

That was funny, thanks Rick.

[G.I.Jim]

That was awesome Rick! It's good to see that Janet Reno could take time away from burning up the citizens of Waco long enough to have a little fun and leasure time...HE-BITCH!!!

The sad thing is, I wouldn't put it past the bastard!

[Rockindeano]

That was awesome Rick! It's good to see that Janet Reno could take time away from burning up the citizens of Waco long enough to have a little fun and leasure time...HE-BITCH!!!

The sad thing is, I wouldn't put it past the bastard!

And just what the fuck would you or W have done with Koresh? LMAO at GOP. so stupid..

[G.I.Jim]

Guy is my idol. Smart, goodlooking, fun natured and he indeed GOT it done.

Hallelujah!

[G.I.Jim]

That was awesome Rick! It's good to see that Janet Reno could take time away from burning up the citizens of Waco long enough to have a little fun and leasure time...HE-BITCH!!!

The sad thing is, I wouldn't put it past the bastard!

And just what the fuck would you or W have done with Koresh? LMAO at GOP. so stupid..

Well I can tell you, that he wouldn't have sent fucking tanks into a compound, gassed innocent women and children (pumping enough gas in there to make children convulse so bad that they contorted and broke their own spines), and torched the place, while snipers picked off almost every person who tried to vacate the burning building unarmed!!! Sure Koresh was a little off-center, but they were attacked first... Who wouldn't defend themselves??? Just because they were a little different then what society deams "Normal", that doesn't give anyone the right to kill them!

This is why I've been vacant from this board lately...All the political bullshit!!! If you applaud what was done in Waco to all of the innocent people present, you're just a fucking prick! Anyone who boasts about supporting a President who gets blowjobs by interns on government time and tax dollars while married (albiet to a he-bitch)is just fucked up.

I believe I've bit my tongue long enough on this board, and people who I once thought of as friends...Maybe it's just time for me to re-evaluate who I associate with, and just vacate myself from this board.

Deano, I can't believe that anyone who wore the uniform willingly, would have so little respect for the President of this country, and support someone with zero morals or principles. If you don't care about morals, then I'm glad you vacated the military. I appreciate your service, but it seems your respect for this country left when you took that uniform off. I've served while Clinton was in office, and I can tell you as a service member, that he had ZERO respect for his dispicable, cowardly actions from my fellow soldiers at the time.

To give you a perspective of the difference between the Clinton's and the Bush's...Several selective service agents have said that while Clinton was in office, agents weren't allowed to make eye contact with Hillary. They were beneath the Clintons, and deserved no respect from them. They were afterall, only there to take a bullet on their behalf! The Bush's on the other hand, frequently have cook-outs on the ranch where Bush himself serves the staff and Secret Service agents. He knows each one of them on a first name basis, as well as the names of their family members. They often say they feel as though their part of Bush's family. And you call Bush the Anti-Christ??? You're a moron.

There's my two fucking cents worth!!! Peace out!

[Rockindeano]

Sleep it off Jim.


Clinton has many more morals than Bush or Cheney. Nitey night.

[G.I.Jim]

Sleep it off Jim.


Clinton has many more morals than Bush or Cheney. Nitey night.

Give me an example?

[Rockindeano]

Sleep it off Jim.


Clinton has many more morals than Bush or Cheney. Nitey night.

Give me an example?

Well, I would think lying to the country about getting blown versus lying about a war where 4.000 plus Americans and hundreds of thousands of civilians die, based on a fucking lie, is a perfect example.


Go to bed Jim.

[G.I.Jim]

I'm hearing crickets chirping...and silence.

[Blueskies]

Just my 2 cents on this whole Bill/ Monica argument......I do not uphold any cheater...be it Bill Clinton or anyone. A cheater show's weakness in their morality and are not trustworthy...so not condoning it at all...just want to point out the fact that he has been far from the only one in the Whitehouse to cheat. I think many have either forgotten or didn't know that Bush senior had an aide named Jennifer Fitzgerald who he was romantically linked to for years. She was dismissed as his aide in '80 by James Baker because it was being talked about. Bush promoted her in '83 from appointments secretary to executive assistant...7 staffers resigned in protest. In '85 she was sent to Capital Hill after stories started circulating linking her romantically to George Bush. So regardless which side of the aisle they come from...sadly, many have cheated and they are ALL wrong for it.

[G.I.Jim]

Sleep it off Jim.


Clinton has many more morals than Bush or Cheney. Nitey night.

Give me an example?

Well, I would think lying to the country about getting blown versus lying about a war where 4.000 plus Americans and hundreds of thousands of civilians die, is an example.


Go to bed Jim.

Give me some form of evidence, that the intelligence reports he read as well as every other person in that meeting was a lie. Show me how Brittish intelligence, as well as every other intelligence agency that reported was a lie cooked up by Bush. Think about it...Why would he lie about WMD's, if he knew the lie would be exposed??? Don't you think if he was smart enough to pull off this "Lie", that he would have at least planted some WMD's to support the belief???

It's funny how all the Democrats (Including the drunk hit and run Senator) supported the war, until it lost popularity. They ALL looked at the same intelligence reports that our President did. They ALL deemed Iraq as a threat to our National Security. Just give me one shred of evidence that he fabricated this report...just one!

[StoneCold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw

First off, thanks for getting rid of the George Lopez av! Lopez is funny but I can't stand lookin at his mug. Nice to see Pryor back where he belongs!

Good clip, Frank does a mean Leno as well. Here's a spoof I found of Seinfeld with Frank doing all characters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWNFgMq ... re=related

[Rockindeano]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw

First off, thanks for getting rid of the George Lopez av! Lopez is funny but I can't stand lookin at his mug. Nice to see Pryor back where he belongs!

Good clip, Frank does a mean Leno as well. Here's a spoof I found of Seinfeld with Frank doing all characters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWNFgMq ... re=related

Ever see Frank do Charles Barkley? OMFG

[StoneCold]

I do not uphold any cheater... A cheater show's weakness in their morality and are not trustworthy...

..sadly, many have cheated and they are ALL wrong for it.

Takes two to tango and Monica liked to tango!

[StoneCold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw

First off, thanks for getting rid of the George Lopez av! Lopez is funny but I can't stand lookin at his mug. Nice to see Pryor back where he belongs!

Good clip, Frank does a mean Leno as well. Here's a spoof I found of Seinfeld with Frank doing all characters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWNFgMq ... re=related

Ever see Frank do Charles Barkley? OMFG

Never caught that but I'm gonna go look for it.

Found it, I busted up as soon as he said his first "Turrible".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akB8gfCMTDg

Here's one where he does Leno at 6:08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0zOKo4ELc

[G.I.Jim]

Here's a quote from you're beloved leader...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQ ... re=related

[G.I.Jim]

This is what my president had to face, as a brand new president in office...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDh_pvv1tUM

[7 Wishes]

Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter.

The information was provided to Bush on September 21, 2001 during the "President's Daily Brief," a 30- to 45-minute early-morning national security briefing. Information for PDBs has routinely been derived from electronic intercepts, human agents, and reports from foreign intelligence services, as well as more mundane sources such as news reports and public statements by foreign leaders.

One of the more intriguing things that Bush was told during the briefing was that the few credible reports of contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda involved attempts by Saddam Hussein to monitor the terrorist group. Saddam viewed Al Qaeda as well as other theocratic radical Islamist organizations as a potential threat to his secular regime. At one point, analysts believed, Saddam considered infiltrating the ranks of Al Qaeda with Iraqi nationals or even Iraqi intelligence operatives to learn more about its inner workings, according to records and sources.

The September 21, 2001, briefing was prepared at the request of the president, who was eager in the days following the terrorist attacks to learn all that he could about any possible connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Much of the contents of the September 21 PDB were later incorporated, albeit in a slightly different form, into a lengthier CIA analysis examining not only Al Qaeda's contacts with Iraq, but also Iraq's support for international terrorism. Although the CIA found scant evidence of collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda, the agency reported that it had long since established that Iraq had previously supported the notorious Abu Nidal terrorist organization, and had provided tens of millions of dollars and logistical support to Palestinian groups, including payments to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

The highly classified CIA assessment was distributed to President Bush, Vice President Cheney, the president's national security adviser and deputy national security adviser, the secretaries and undersecretaries of State and Defense, and various other senior Bush administration policy makers, according to government records.

The Senate Intelligence Committee has asked the White House for the CIA assessment, the PDB of September 21, 2001, and dozens of other PDBs as part of the committee's ongoing investigation into whether the Bush administration misrepresented intelligence information in the run-up to war with Iraq. The Bush administration has refused to turn over these documents.

Indeed, the existence of the September 21 PDB was not disclosed to the Intelligence Committee until the summer of 2004, according to congressional sources. Both Republicans and Democrats requested then that it be turned over. The administration has refused to provide it, even on a classified basis, and won't say anything more about it other than to acknowledge that it exists.

On November 18, Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said he planned to attach an amendment to the fiscal 2006 intelligence authorization bill that would require the Bush administration to give the Senate and House intelligence committees copies of PDBs for a three-year period. After Democrats and Republicans were unable to agree on language for the amendment, Kennedy said he would delay final action on the matter until Congress returns in December.

The conclusions drawn in the lengthier CIA assessment-which has also been denied to the committee-were strikingly similar to those provided to President Bush in the September 21 PDB, according to records and sources. In the four years since Bush received the briefing, according to highly placed government officials, no evidence has come to light to contradict the \\CIA's original conclusion that no collaborative relationship existed between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

"What the President was told on September 21," said one former high-level official, "was consistent with everything he has been told since-that the evidence was just not there."

In arguing their case for war with Iraq, the president and vice president said after the September 11 attacks that Al Qaeda and Iraq had significant ties, and they cited the possibility that Iraq might share chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons with Al Qaeda for a terrorist attack against the United States.

Democrats in Congress, as well as other critics of the Bush administration, charge that Bush and Cheney misrepresented and distorted intelligence information to bolster their case for war with Iraq. The president and vice president have insisted that they unknowingly relied on faulty and erroneous intelligence, provided mostly by the CIA.

The new information on the September 21 PDB and the subsequent CIA analysis bears on the question of what the CIA told the president and how the administration used that information as it made its case for war with Iraq.

The central rationale for going to war against Iraq, of course, was that Saddam Hussein had biological and chemical weapons, and that he was pursuing an aggressive program to build nuclear weapons. Despite those claims, no weapons were ever discovered after the war, either by United Nations inspectors or by U.S. military authorities.

Much of the blame for the incorrect information in statements made by the president and other senior administration officials regarding the weapons-of-mass-destruction issue has fallen on the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies.

In April 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in a bipartisan report that the CIA's prewar assertion that Saddam's regime was "reconstituting its nuclear weapons program" and "has chemical and biological weapons" were "overstated, or were not supported by the underlying intelligence provided to the Committee."

The Bush administration has cited that report and similar findings by a presidential commission as evidence of massive CIA intelligence failures in assessing Iraq's unconventional-weapons capability.

Bush and Cheney have also recently answered their critics by ascribing partisan motivations to them and saying their criticism has the effect of undermining the war effort. In a speech on November 11, the president made his strongest comments to date on the subject: "Baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will." Since then, he has adopted a different tone, and he said on his way home from Asia on November 21, "This is not an issue of who is a patriot or not."

In his own speech to the American Enterprise Institute yesterday, Cheney also changed tone, saying that "disagreement, argument, and debate are the essence of democracy" and the "sign of a healthy political system." He then added: "Any suggestion that prewar information was distorted, hyped, or fabricated by the leader of the nation is utterly false."

Although the Senate Intelligence Committee and the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, commonly known as the 9/11 commission, pointed to incorrect CIA assessments on the WMD issue, they both also said that, for the most part, the CIA and other agencies did indeed provide policy makers with accurate information regarding the lack of evidence of ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

But a comparison of public statements by the president, the vice president, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld show that in the days just before a congressional vote authorizing war, they professed to have been given information from U.S. intelligence assessments showing evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link.

"You can't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror," President Bush said on September 25, 2002.

The next day, Rumsfeld said, "We have what we consider to be credible evidence that Al Qaeda leaders have sought contacts with Iraq who could help them acquire … weapons-of-mass-destruction capabilities."

The most explosive of allegations came from Cheney, who said that September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center, had met in Prague, in the Czech Republic, with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent, Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, five months before the attacks. On December 9, 2001, Cheney said on NBC's Meet the Press: "[I]t's pretty well confirmed that [Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in [the Czech Republic] last April, several months before the attack."

Cheney continued to make the charge, even after he was briefed, according to government records and officials, that both the CIA and the FBI discounted the possibility of such a meeting.

Credit card and phone records appear to demonstrate that Atta was in Virginia Beach, Va., at the time of the alleged meeting, according to law enforcement and intelligence officials. Al-Ani, the Iraqi intelligence official with whom Atta was said to have met in Prague, was later taken into custody by U.S. authorities. He not only denied the report of the meeting with Atta, but said that he was not in Prague at the time of the supposed meeting, according to published reports.

In June 2004, the 9/11 commission concluded: "There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between Al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and Al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

Regarding the alleged meeting in Prague, the commission concluded: "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred."

Still, Cheney did not concede the point. "We have never been able to prove that there was a connection to 9/11," Cheney said after the commission announced it could not find significant links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. But the vice president again pointed out the existence of a Czech intelligence service report that Atta and the Iraqi agent had met in Prague. "That's never been proved. But it's never been disproved," Cheney said.

The following month, July 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in its review of the CIA's prewar intelligence: "Despite four decades of intelligence reporting on Iraq, there was little useful intelligence collected that helped analysts determine the Iraqi regime's possible links to al-Qaeda."

On July 22, 2002, as the run-up to war with Iraq was underway, one of the Naval Reserve officers detailed to the unit sent Feith an e-mail saying that he had just heard that then-Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz wanted "the Iraqi intelligence cell … to prepare an intel briefing on Iraq and links to al-Qaida for the SecDef" and that he was not to tell anyone about it.

After that briefing was delivered, Wolfowitz sent Feith and other officials a note saying: "This was an excellent briefing. The Secretary was very impressed. He asked us to think about possible next steps to see if we can illuminate the differences between us and CIA. The goal was not to produce a consensus product, but rather to scrub one another's arguments."

On September 16, 2002, two days before the CIA produced a major assessment of Iraq's ties to terrorism, the Naval Reserve officers conducted a briefing for Libby and Stephen J. Hadley, then the deputy national security adviser to President Bush.

In a memorandum to Wolfowitz, Feith wrote: "The briefing went very well and generated further interest from Mr. Hadley and Mr. Libby." Both men, the memo went on, requested follow-up material, most notably a "chronology of Atta's travels," a reference to the discredited allegation of an Atta-Iraqi meeting in Prague.

In their presentation, the naval reserve briefers excluded the fact that the FBI and CIA had developed evidence that the alleged meeting had never taken place, and that even the Czechs had disavowed it.

This same antipathy toward the CIA led to the events that are the basis of Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity, according to several former and current senior officials.

Ironically, the Plame affair's origins had its roots in Cheney and Libby's interest in reports that Saddam Hussein had tried to purchase uranium yellowcake from Niger to build a nuclear weapon. After reading a Pentagon report on the matter in early February 2002, Cheney asked the CIA officer who provided him with a national security briefing each morning if he could find out about it.

Without Cheney's knowledge, his query led to the CIA-sanctioned trip to Niger by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, Plame's husband, to investigate the allegations. Wilson reported back to the CIA that the allegations were most likely not true.

Despite that conclusion, President Bush, in his State of the Union address in 2003, included the Niger allegation in making the case to go to war with Iraq. In July 2003, after the war had begun, Wilson publicly charged that the Bush administration had "twisted" the intelligence information to make the case to go to war.

Libby and Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove told reporters that Wilson's had been sent to Niger on the recommendation of his wife, Plame. In the process, the leaks led to the unmasking of Plame, the appointment of Fitzgerald, the jailing of a New York Times reporter for 85 days, and a federal grand jury indictment of Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice for allegedly attempting to conceal his role in leaking Plame's name to the press.

The Plame affair was not so much a reflection of any personal animus toward Wilson or Plame, says one former senior administration official who knows most of the principals involved, but rather the direct result of long-standing antipathy toward the CIA by Cheney, Libby, and others involved. They viewed Wilson's outspoken criticism of the Bush administration as an indirect attack by the spy agency.

[Blueskies]

I do not uphold any cheater... A cheater show's weakness in their morality and are not trustworthy...

..sadly, many have cheated and they are ALL wrong for it.

Takes two to tango and Monica liked to tango!

,,and apparently ol' daddy Bush liked to tango with his Jenny as well.


*takes 2 yes... notice I had emphasized the word ALL? All encompasses ALL involved in the cheating doesn't it?

[G.I.Jim]

Let's hear the source of the allegations... And I appreciate you sending me what you said repeatedly that you would send. Thanks for nothing!

[7 Wishes]

The source? Allegations? Dude, read the damn article!!!!

[stevew2]

He was one of the best presidents we ever had

[G.I.Jim]

The source? Allegations? Dude, read the damn article!!!!

I've read the "Damn article", and again...your source for these allegations??? Again, thanks for sending me what you said you would...typical Democrat! Someone else hooked me up, so again...thanks for nothing.

[7 Wishes]

I've read the "Damn article", and again...your source for these allegations??? Again, thanks for sending me what you said you would...typical Democrat! Someone else hooked me up, so again...thanks for nothing.

Right, but you Repubs don't name call. Unreal.

Jim, suffice it to say I am having medical problems that far outweigh my desire or capacity to burn CD's for anyone. I can't sleep, I'm becoming too weak to train my clients correctly, and I've lost my voice, which is making giving voice lessons very difficult.

I'm sorry I didn't get around to sending you the Bad English stuff. I don't want to say anymore.

And no, I don't have a communicable disease. I'd rather not go into it.

[conversationpc]

[b]Ten days after the September 11, 2001...

Weren't you libs making fun of conservatives for "cut & pasting" just the other day?

[7 Wishes]

That's what you guys have been doing...quoting abstracts from op-ed pieces in the Rhinoceros Times and Wall Street Journal.

This was neither. This was an investigative report. BASED ON ACTUAL FACT.