OT: Who Won the Final Democratic Debate Tonight?

[Voyager]

Clinton or Obama?

I'm watching it now on the DVR. Will comment later.

[7 Wishes]

I was honestly going to say McCain.

[Rip Rokken]

I was honestly going to say McCain.

Good point... I think he should have been included!

I was talking to my Democrat political consultant friend today, and he said dems were really being turned off by the Clintons' recent tactics, and that he thinks it will hurt them. He said they are trying to reach out to a younger audience, but confusing them before they can even grow attached to them. Read a few articles along those lines as well, at least about dems being turned off by the Clintons. Very interesting.

[Rhiannon]

Who cares now that Edwards has bowed out. Only Dem hopeful I can stand.

[Rip Rokken]

Who cares now that Edwards has bowed out. Only Dem hopeful I can stand.

Here's your homework assignment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

[Rhiannon]

Who cares now that Edwards has bowed out. Only Dem hopeful I can stand.

Here's your homework assignment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

He is pretty. For a politician.

[Voyager]

Well, it's almost done playing in my DVR - and I have to say that it looks like Barack is in the lead.

P.S. - CNN is playing a rerun of it right now if you want to check it out.

[Voyager]

So, did anyone watch this debate?

In my opinion, Obama ruled. I think there's a very good chance that he will do well this Tuesday. I plan to vote for him, even though I voted Republican in the past (but I never voted for George Bush). I'm guessing there will be a lot of crossover Republicans that will vote for Obama who are disgusted with George Bush and don't like Hillary. Due to the George Bush imcompetence, I now consider myself a moderate. For the most part I am now leaning Democratic, but I don't just vote the party line. For example, i think Ron Paul would be a great candidate for President, but he will never get enough votes to make him a real contender.

I guess we'll find out on Super Tuesday who will make the cut. Don't be shocked if Obama takes the Democratic nomination.

[weatherman90]

They are both big losers in my mind.

[Voyager]

They are both big losers in my mind.

Why do you have losers in your mind? Have you seen a professional about this?

[Voyager]

Weekend polls confirmed the trend that Obama is closing the gap. A Washington Post-ABC news poll showed Clinton on 47% to Obama's 43%.

MSNBC-McClatchy, polling in key battleground states, also had Obama gaining on Clinton. He was ahead in Georgia, which has a large African American population, by 47% to 41%. The poll even showed him catching up with Clinton in her own backyard, with a gap of only 7% in New Jersey. In Arizona, which had been thought to be in Clinton's column because of its large Latino population, she was on 43% and Obama on 41%.

The Pew Research Centre for the People and the Press said in its poll that Obama had made important inroads among white male voters, especially middle-aged and middle income voters who had previously been solidly behind Clinton. It said he had picked up a significant share of John Edwards's support following his exit from the race last week.

[weatherman90]

They are both big losers in my mind.

Why do you have losers in your mind? Have you seen a professional about this?

If you're a fan of Ron Paul, you should stay very far away from Obama. He's very far to the left - even further than Hillary. He will expand the scope and size of government in more ways than you can imagine.

[Voyager]

They are both big losers in my mind.

Why do you have losers in your mind? Have you seen a professional about this?

If you're a fan of Ron Paul, you should stay very far away from Obama. He's very far to the left - even further than Hillary. He will expand the scope and size of government in more ways than you can imagine.

Obama/Paul 2008

[Voyager]

Wow - CNN is now reporting that Maria Shriver (Arnold Swartsnegger's wife) just endorsed Barack Obama!

February 3, 2008
Maria Shriver to endorse Obama
Posted: 05:29 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (CNN) — Maria Shriver will endorse Democrat Barack Obama’s White House bid today at a Los Angeles rally.

The California First Lady will make a surprise appearance on-stage at the Sunday event, backed by the candidate’s wife Michelle Obama, talk show host Oprah Winfrey and Shriver’s cousin Caroline Kennedy

Shriver is married to California’s Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who endorsed GOP presidential hopeful John McCain earlier this week.

The former NBC journalist had said in the past she was drawn to Obama’s message. Shriver is the niece of Sen. Ted Kennedy, and has been close to Oprah Winfrey since both got their starts in local TV in Baltimore. Both Winfrey and the Massachusetts senator have actively campaigned for Obama.

California’s vote is this Tuesday, February 5. Most recent polls show Barack Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton locked in a tight race in the Democratic primary in this delegate-rich state.

California will be the deal-breaker, and this may have an impact in a very tight race. Go Obama!

[weatherman90]

Wow - CNN is now reporting that Maria Shriver (Arnold Swartsnegger's wife) just endorsed Barack Obama!

February 3, 2008
Maria Shriver to endorse Obama
Posted: 05:29 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (CNN) — Maria Shriver will endorse Democrat Barack Obama’s White House bid today at a Los Angeles rally.

The California First Lady will make a surprise appearance on-stage at the Sunday event, backed by the candidate’s wife Michelle Obama, talk show host Oprah Winfrey and Shriver’s cousin Caroline Kennedy

Shriver is married to California’s Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who endorsed GOP presidential hopeful John McCain earlier this week.

The former NBC journalist had said in the past she was drawn to Obama’s message. Shriver is the niece of Sen. Ted Kennedy, and has been close to Oprah Winfrey since both got their starts in local TV in Baltimore. Both Winfrey and the Massachusetts senator have actively campaigned for Obama.

California’s vote is this Tuesday, February 5. Most recent polls show Barack Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton locked in a tight race in the Democratic primary in this delegate-rich state.

California will be the deal-breaker, and this may have an impact in a very tight race. Go Obama!

Poor Arnold!

[Barb]

So, did anyone watch this debate?

In my opinion, Obama ruled. I think there's a very good chance that he will do well this Tuesday. I plan to vote for him, even though I voted Republican in the past (but I never voted for George Bush). I'm guessing there will be a lot of crossover Republicans that will vote for Obama who are disgusted with George Bush and don't like Hillary. Due to the George Bush imcompetence, I now consider myself a moderate. For the most part I am now leaning Democratic, but I don't just vote the party line. For example, i think Ron Paul would be a great candidate for President, but he will never get enough votes to make him a real contender.

I guess we'll find out on Super Tuesday who will make the cut. Don't be shocked if Obama takes the Democratic nomination.

I don't know how many republicans will vote for the most liberal senator of 2007, but I can imagine a lot of them sitting home if McCain is the nominee.

[weatherman90]

So, did anyone watch this debate?

In my opinion, Obama ruled. I think there's a very good chance that he will do well this Tuesday. I plan to vote for him, even though I voted Republican in the past (but I never voted for George Bush). I'm guessing there will be a lot of crossover Republicans that will vote for Obama who are disgusted with George Bush and don't like Hillary. Due to the George Bush imcompetence, I now consider myself a moderate. For the most part I am now leaning Democratic, but I don't just vote the party line. For example, i think Ron Paul would be a great candidate for President, but he will never get enough votes to make him a real contender.

I guess we'll find out on Super Tuesday who will make the cut. Don't be shocked if Obama takes the Democratic nomination.

I don't know how many republicans will vote for the most liberal senator of 2007, but I can imagine a lot of them sitting home if McCain is the nominee.

The only reason that conservatives are "disgusted" with George Bush is his illegal immigration stance. And no, Barack Obama will not fix immigration.

[Rockindeano]

I hope Obama and Clinton keep going at each other....that will make them have to run together, thus enduring victory.

[Rockindeano]

So, did anyone watch this debate?

In my opinion, Obama ruled. I think there's a very good chance that he will do well this Tuesday. I plan to vote for him, even though I voted Republican in the past (but I never voted for George Bush). I'm guessing there will be a lot of crossover Republicans that will vote for Obama who are disgusted with George Bush and don't like Hillary. Due to the George Bush imcompetence, I now consider myself a moderate. For the most part I am now leaning Democratic, but I don't just vote the party line. For example, i think Ron Paul would be a great candidate for President, but he will never get enough votes to make him a real contender.

I guess we'll find out on Super Tuesday who will make the cut. Don't be shocked if Obama takes the Democratic nomination.

I don't know how many republicans will vote for the most liberal senator of 2007, but I can imagine a lot of them sitting home if McCain is the nominee.

The only reason that conservatives are "disgusted" with George Bush is his illegal immigration stance. And no, Barack Obama will not fix immigration.

Bush spends much more than any liberal ever has. He has failed in every possible way at his job. There is simply no other way to say it.

[Voyager]

I hope Obama and Clinton keep going at each other....that will make them have to run together, thus enduring victory.

I was wondering when you were going to chime in!

I think it's fair to say that one of these two will be our next President. People are absolutely disgusted with the Republican Party.

[Voyager]

Bush spends much more than any liberal ever has. He has failed in every possible way at his job. There is simply no other way to say it.

You got that right. Even Ron Paul can see it:

On the September 11 question, Paul said he would have gone after terrorist leader Osama bin Laden more aggressively and not focused on "nation building" in Afghanistan and, in an answer none of the other candidates are likely to offer, he said he would have revived the idea of "mark and reprisal," a centuries-old rule used to go after pirates or others with harmful intent against the country.

In answer to a question about why he has drawn such strong support from youth voters who aren't necessarily going for his more mainstream conservative rivals, Paul said it's not because the Democrats are offering such great ideas, but because the Republican Party deserves to be punished for the undeclared war in Iraq and for running up record deficits. "What you need to do is come and look at some of the rallies and ... talk to some of the young people who rally to us," he said. "Guess what I offer them? Freedom: Freedom to live their lives as they choose, freedom to spend their money as they choose and freedom to get out from under the heavy hand of government."

[Wally_Hatchet]

Al-Qaeda.

[conversationpc]

Bush spends much more than any liberal ever has. He has failed in every possible way at his job. There is simply no other way to say it.

You got that right. Even Ron Paul can see it:

On the September 11 question, Paul said he would have gone after terrorist leader Osama bin Laden more aggressively...

Ron Paul has also said it was our fault that we were attacked. I agree with him on many things but he is a nut on foreign policy.

[Rockindeano]

I hope Obama and Clinton keep going at each other....that will make them have to run together, thus enduring victory.

I was wondering when you were going to chime in!

I think it's fair to say that one of these two will be our next President. People are absolutely disgusted with the Republican Party.

And rightfully so. The GOP is a national embarrassment. Even Ann fuckin Coulter siad she would vote fot hillary over McCan't.

[conversationpc]

And rightfully so. The GOP is a national embarrassment. Even Ann fuckin Coulter siad she would vote fot hillary over McCan't.

Coulter has always been a twit.

[Rip Rokken]

Bush spends much more than any liberal ever has.

One of the major reasons he lost my support...

[Rip Rokken]

And rightfully so. The GOP is a national embarrassment. Even Ann fuckin Coulter siad she would vote fot hillary over McCan't.

Coulter has always been a twit.

Ann Coulter is a complete embarrassment. In the earlier days, I thought she was kinda cool, but she's since proved to be nothing but a bomb-thrower, and I can't stand 'em no matter which side of the aisle they are on.

[SteveForever]

Ann Coulter is a complete embarrassment. In the earlier days, I thought she was kinda cool, but she's since proved to be nothing but a bomb-thrower, and I can't stand 'em no matter which side of the aisle they are on.

she's nuttin futz! her and Britney should hang together, that stuff she said about 9-11 widows was
cruel and gross.

[Rip Rokken]

she's nuttin futz! her and Britney should hang together, that stuff she said about 9-11 widows was
cruel and gross.

She's pulled that kinda stupid comment more than once, and it makes me wonder if she's not buying into the "all publicity is good publicity" approach. I mean, I would expect something like that out of Mancow, but not from anyone who wants to be taken seriously.

[LazzMan]

she's nuttin futz! her and Britney should hang together, that stuff she said about 9-11 widows was
cruel and gross.

She's pulled that kinda stupid comment more than once, and it makes me wonder if she's not buying into the "all publicity is good publicity" approach. I mean, I would expect something like that out of Mancow, but not from anyone who wants to be taken seriously.

She sells books and gets on T.V. Honestly, who would even know who she is without her neo-Con, white sheet, cross-burning comments? I actually heard her say once that she didn't feel that women should have ever earned the right to vote. And she's a WOMAN!!! Ass!!