OT: U.S. Troop Suicides Increase Dramatically

[conversationpc]

OMFG!! Someone who believes the Bush standard line about Iraq is talking cult to me? Nobody but a Bush cult worshipper could still possibly believe this war was just.

Another sign of a cult is lack of independent thinking ability because I don't think I've ever said that I believe the "Bush standard line".

[ohsherrie]

There are a few people who call themselves republicans on here...

If you're referring to me, I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican.

I know that Dave. The way you get all defensive about the subject is a little suspicious though.

[scarygirl]

There are a few people who call themselves republicans on here...

If you're referring to me, I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican.

If you disagree with her, you are a Republican. I'm not a Republican either. None of that matters. Just know, we are the stupid, and we are the enemy!

I'm not a republican either, not really. The candidates that are being offered on both sides are severly lacking.

[conversationpc]

There are a few people who call themselves republicans on here...

If you're referring to me, I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican.

I know that Dave. The way you get all defensive about the subject is a little suspicious though.

I would hope that you'd be just as PO'd about being called a Democrat.

[SteveForever]

There are a few people who call themselves republicans on here...

If you're referring to me, I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican.

It really should be ideas that make sense vs. ideas that don't make sense, intelligencia type answers are pipe dreams
that are less about common sense and are flat out more risky given the world that we live in today.
I'll be voting for who I think is best for the job. Bush has betrayed traditional conservative mindsets, ie. cut taxes and spending.
At this point calling a certain party ignorant and incapable of learning is just flat out rude! it solves nothing.

[ohsherrie]

OMFG!! Someone who believes the Bush standard line about Iraq is talking cult to me? Nobody but a Bush cult worshipper could still possibly believe this war was just.

Another sign of a cult is lack of independent thinking ability because I don't believe I've ever said that I believe the "Bush standard line".

Not about a lot of his bullshit, but you do about ther war. That's what this post was about.

[ohsherrie]

There are a few people who call themselves republicans on here...

If you're referring to me, I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican.

I know that Dave. The way you get all defensive about the subject is a little suspicious though.

I would hope that you'd be just as PO'd about being called a Democrat.

Normally I would be, but given the current state of things that's much the lesser of two evils and the only realistic option against it.

[conversationpc]

Normally I would be, but given the current state of things that's much the lesser of two evils and the only realistic option against it.

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is the dumbest reason ever to vote for someone. If it comes down to McCain and Hillary, I won't be voting. Neither one is worthy to be President and if Hillary gets elected because people like me don't vote for McCain, so be it. I can live with that.

[ohsherrie]

Normally I would be, but given the current state of things that's much the lesser of two evils and the only realistic option against it.

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is the dumbest reason ever to vote for someone. If it comes down to McCain and Hillary, I won't be voting. Neither one is worthy to be President and if Hillary gets elected because people like me don't vote for McCain, so be it. I can live with that.

I initially said the same thing about Obama, but I've changed my mind for reasons that would just cause too much disturbance on this board if I were to go into them. Yeah, believe it or not, I have limits on what I'll say on here.

[ohsherrie]

There are a few people who call themselves republicans on here...

If you're referring to me, I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican.

If you disagree with her, you are a Republican. I'm not a Republican either. None of that matters. Just know, we are the stupid, and we are the enemy!

Well, uh, yeah, when it comes to politics you're right. Right now it's all about either reps or Dems because that's all we've got. I don't like that at all because I'm not a Dem by definition. I'm a Dem by default because we currently, realistically, only have reps and Dems. I'd be completely against the view you both have posted regardless of party affiliations anyway.

[G.I.Jim]

All I can say is we need to get the fuck out of Iraq. We have absolutely no right or reason to be there.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Every day, five U.S. soldiers try to kill themselves. Before the Iraq war began, that figure was less than one suicide attempt a day.

A U.S. soldier patrols the streets of Baghdad in January.

The dramatic increase is revealed in new U.S. Army figures, which show 2,100 soldiers tried to commit suicide in 2007.

"Suicide attempts are rising and have risen over the last five years," said Col. Elspeth Cameron-Ritchie, an Army psychiatrist.

Concern over the rate of suicide attempts prompted Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, to introduce legislation Thursday to improve the military's suicide-prevention programs.

"Our troops and their families are under unprecedented levels of stress due to the pace and frequency of more than five years of deployments," Webb said in a written statement. Watch CNN Senior Pentagon Correspondent Jamie McIntyre on the reasons for the increase in suicides »

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, took to the Senate floor Thursday, urging more help for military members, especially for those returning from war.

"Our brave service members who face deployment after deployment without the rest, recovery and treatment they need are at the breaking point," Murray said.

She said Congress has given "hundreds of millions of dollars" to the military to improve its ability to provide mental health treatment, but said it will take more than money to resolve the problem.

"It takes leadership and it takes a change in the culture of war," she said. She said some soldiers had reported receiving nothing more than an 800 number to call for help.

"Many soldiers need a real person to talk to," she said. "And they need psychiatrists and they need psychologists."

According to Army statistics, the incidence of U.S. Army soldiers attempting suicide or inflicting injuries on themselves has skyrocketed in the nearly five years since the start of the Iraq war.

Last year's 2,100 attempted suicides -- an average of more than 5 per day -- compares with about 350 suicide attempts in 2002, the year before the war in Iraq began, according to the Army.

The figures also show the number of suicides by active-duty troops in 2007 may reach an all-time high when the statistics are finalized in March, Army officials said.

The Army lists 89 soldier deaths in 2007 as suicides and is investigating 32 more as possible suicides. Suicide rates already were up in 2006 with 102 deaths, compared with 87 in 2005.

Cameron-Ritchie, the Army psychiatrist, said suicide attempts are usually related to problems with intimate relationships, but they are also related to problems with work, finances and the law.

"The really tough area here is stigma. We know that soldiers don't want to go seek care. They're tough, they're strong, they don't want to go see a behavioral health-care provider," Cameron-Ritchie said.

Multiple deployments and long deployments appear to exact a toll on relationships, thereby boosting the number of suicide attempts, she said.

Traditionally, the suicide rate among military members has been lower than age- and gender-matched civilians. But in recent years the rate has crept up from 12 per 100,000 among the military to 17.5 per 100,000 in 2006, she said. That's still less than the civilian figure of about 20 per 100,000, she said.

The "typical" soldier who commits suicide is a member of an infantry unit who uses a firearm to carry out the act, according to the Army.

Post-traumatic stress disorder also may be a factor in suicide attempts, Cameron-Ritchie said, because it can result in broken relationships and often leads to drug and alcohol abuse.

"The real central issue is relationships. Relationships, relationships, relationships," said U.S. Army Chaplain Lt. Col. Ran Dolinger. "People look at PTSD, they look at length of deployments ... but it's that broken relationship that really makes the difference."

To reduce suicides, the Army said it is targeting soldiers who are or have been in Iraq for long periods and teaching them to notice signs that can lead to suicide.

That training came too late for Army Specialist Tim Bowman. The 23-year-old killed himself in 2005 after returning from Iraq.

"As my family was preparing for a 2005 Thanksgiving meal, our son Timothy was lying on the floor, slowly bleeding to death from a self-inflicted gunshot wound," said his father, Mike Bowman, in testimony to a House Veterans' Affairs committee hearing in December. "His war was now over."

He said veterans return home to find an "understaffed, under-funded, under-equipped" Veterans Affairs mental health system.

"Many just give up trying," he said.

I sure hope Obama or Hillary gets elected and get us the hell out of there as fast as possible.

Voyager,

As a soldier, I take serious offense to this post, and I'm a little sick of all the anti-military efforts in this forum as of late!!! It's a well known fact (as well as just plain common fucking sense) that ANY time that soldiers are deployed and away from families, that suicide rates go up! It's not rocket science. The fact that you use this to push your liberal agendas just blows my mind...Let's take soldier casualties and throw it in the republican's faces. You can kiss my ass!!!

Do you think this is the first time suicide rates have jumped up jack-ass? Read this...

http://www.brianwillson.com/awolvetmemo.html

You say suicide has jumped to 5 deaths per day...Vietnam rates were 28 soldiers per day! You need to find something else to use as leverage in your topics...NOT the death of soldiers!

Maybe some of you insensitive assholes need to watch this again to remind you of what's going on...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEim0JE ... re=related

[RossValoryRocks]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

[Rockindeano]

Normally I would be, but given the current state of things that's much the lesser of two evils and the only realistic option against it.

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is the dumbest reason ever to vote for someone. If it comes down to McCain and Hillary, I won't be voting. Neither one is worthy to be President and if Hillary gets elected because people like me don't vote for McCain, so be it. I can live with that.

Then I don't want to hear you say one word next year.

McCain and Hillary are BOTH very deserving to be president.

[Rockindeano]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

Dude, you make less sense than she ever has. You stating and demanding so, "a Democrat will not win the White House next year" is the single stupidest thing I have ever read here.

Face it, YOUR military guns and lie party is OVER.

Done.

[G.I.Jim]

All I can say is we need to get the fuck out of Iraq. We have absolutely no right or reason to be there.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Every day, five U.S. soldiers try to kill themselves. Before the Iraq war began, that figure was less than one suicide attempt a day.

A U.S. soldier patrols the streets of Baghdad in January.

The dramatic increase is revealed in new U.S. Army figures, which show 2,100 soldiers tried to commit suicide in 2007.

"Suicide attempts are rising and have risen over the last five years," said Col. Elspeth Cameron-Ritchie, an Army psychiatrist.

Concern over the rate of suicide attempts prompted Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, to introduce legislation Thursday to improve the military's suicide-prevention programs.

"Our troops and their families are under unprecedented levels of stress due to the pace and frequency of more than five years of deployments," Webb said in a written statement. Watch CNN Senior Pentagon Correspondent Jamie McIntyre on the reasons for the increase in suicides »

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, took to the Senate floor Thursday, urging more help for military members, especially for those returning from war.

"Our brave service members who face deployment after deployment without the rest, recovery and treatment they need are at the breaking point," Murray said.

She said Congress has given "hundreds of millions of dollars" to the military to improve its ability to provide mental health treatment, but said it will take more than money to resolve the problem.

"It takes leadership and it takes a change in the culture of war," she said. She said some soldiers had reported receiving nothing more than an 800 number to call for help.

"Many soldiers need a real person to talk to," she said. "And they need psychiatrists and they need psychologists."

According to Army statistics, the incidence of U.S. Army soldiers attempting suicide or inflicting injuries on themselves has skyrocketed in the nearly five years since the start of the Iraq war.

Last year's 2,100 attempted suicides -- an average of more than 5 per day -- compares with about 350 suicide attempts in 2002, the year before the war in Iraq began, according to the Army.

The figures also show the number of suicides by active-duty troops in 2007 may reach an all-time high when the statistics are finalized in March, Army officials said.

The Army lists 89 soldier deaths in 2007 as suicides and is investigating 32 more as possible suicides. Suicide rates already were up in 2006 with 102 deaths, compared with 87 in 2005.

Cameron-Ritchie, the Army psychiatrist, said suicide attempts are usually related to problems with intimate relationships, but they are also related to problems with work, finances and the law.

"The really tough area here is stigma. We know that soldiers don't want to go seek care. They're tough, they're strong, they don't want to go see a behavioral health-care provider," Cameron-Ritchie said.

Multiple deployments and long deployments appear to exact a toll on relationships, thereby boosting the number of suicide attempts, she said.

Traditionally, the suicide rate among military members has been lower than age- and gender-matched civilians. But in recent years the rate has crept up from 12 per 100,000 among the military to 17.5 per 100,000 in 2006, she said. That's still less than the civilian figure of about 20 per 100,000, she said.

The "typical" soldier who commits suicide is a member of an infantry unit who uses a firearm to carry out the act, according to the Army.

Post-traumatic stress disorder also may be a factor in suicide attempts, Cameron-Ritchie said, because it can result in broken relationships and often leads to drug and alcohol abuse.

"The real central issue is relationships. Relationships, relationships, relationships," said U.S. Army Chaplain Lt. Col. Ran Dolinger. "People look at PTSD, they look at length of deployments ... but it's that broken relationship that really makes the difference."

To reduce suicides, the Army said it is targeting soldiers who are or have been in Iraq for long periods and teaching them to notice signs that can lead to suicide.

That training came too late for Army Specialist Tim Bowman. The 23-year-old killed himself in 2005 after returning from Iraq.

"As my family was preparing for a 2005 Thanksgiving meal, our son Timothy was lying on the floor, slowly bleeding to death from a self-inflicted gunshot wound," said his father, Mike Bowman, in testimony to a House Veterans' Affairs committee hearing in December. "His war was now over."

He said veterans return home to find an "understaffed, under-funded, under-equipped" Veterans Affairs mental health system.

"Many just give up trying," he said.

I sure hope Obama or Hillary gets elected and get us the hell out of there as fast as possible.

Voyager,

As a soldier, I take serious offense to this post, and I'm a little sick of all the anti-military efforts in this forum as of late!!! It's a well known fact (as well as just plain common fucking sense) that ANY time that soldiers are deployed and away from families, that suicide rates go up! It's not rocket science. The fact that you use this to push your liberal agendas just blows my mind...Let's take soldier casualties and throw it in the republican's faces. You can kiss my ass!!!

Do you think this is the first time suicide rates have jumped up jack-ass? Read this...

http://www.brianwillson.com/awolvetmemo.html

You say suicide has jumped to 5 deaths per day...Vietnam rates were 28 soldiers per day! You need to find something else to use as leverage in your topics...NOT the death of soldiers!

Maybe some of you insensitive assholes need to watch this again to remind you of what's going on...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEim0JE ... re=related

Once again!

[RossValoryRocks]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

Dude, you make less sense than she ever has. You stating and demanding so, "a Democrat will not win the White House next year" is the single stupidest thing I have ever read here.

Face it, YOUR military guns and lie party is OVER.

Done.

I debate with facts...Sherrie and to a certain extent YOU debate with rhetoric backed up with what? Supposition...A Democrat won't win the Whitehouse....I will eat my shorts if one does...shorts I wore for a week...never changed...skids marks and all.

LOL...MY what? Party? I can't stand the President's positions on almost everything. The spending, the imigration policies, etc etc. I really only agree on lower taxes, because that means the government get less of MY money to give away, mostly to people who don't deserve it.

[Rockindeano]

GI Jim, you aren't the only soldier here, so stop with the GOP +military BS. I think for myself, and you should give it a try. Dude, this war, we lost. Yes, we lost it because of White House incompetence. Poorly managed effort. This war is about oil and Halliburton. Be nice if a president went in with the right intentions, rather than side income on their mind.

It's ok to question your leader, even if he is a republican. Really, it's ok to say your president is a corrupt evil scumbag.

[Rockindeano]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

Dude, you make less sense than she ever has. You stating and demanding so, "a Democrat will not win the White House next year" is the single stupidest thing I have ever read here.

Face it, YOUR military guns and lie party is OVER.

Done.

I debate with facts...Sherrie and to a certain extent YOU debate with rhetoric backed up with what? Supposition...A Democrat won't win the Whitehouse....I will eat my shorts if one does...shorts I wore for a week...never changed...skids marks and all.

LOL...MY what? Party? I can't stand the President's positions on almost everything. The spending, the imigration policies, etc etc. I really only agree on lower taxes, because that means the government get less of MY money to give away, mostly to people who don't deserve it.

Stuart, dude, take that back. The GOP has NO chance. It will be a blow out.

[weatherman90]

GI Jim, you aren't the only soldier here, so stop with the GOP +military BS. I think for myself, and you should give it a try. Dude, this war, we lost. Yes, we lost it because of White House incompetence. Poorly managed effort. This war is about oil and Halliburton. Be nice if a president went in with the right intentions, rather than side income on their mind.

It's ok to question your leader, even if he is a republican. Really, it's ok to say your president is a corrupt evil scumbag.

"BIG oil! Corporations! Nazi's! Halliburton! Profits!"

Where have I heard this before? ...

[RossValoryRocks]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

Dude, you make less sense than she ever has. You stating and demanding so, "a Democrat will not win the White House next year" is the single stupidest thing I have ever read here.

Face it, YOUR military guns and lie party is OVER.

Done.

I debate with facts...Sherrie and to a certain extent YOU debate with rhetoric backed up with what? Supposition...A Democrat won't win the Whitehouse....I will eat my shorts if one does...shorts I wore for a week...never changed...skids marks and all.

LOL...MY what? Party? I can't stand the President's positions on almost everything. The spending, the imigration policies, etc etc. I really only agree on lower taxes, because that means the government get less of MY money to give away, mostly to people who don't deserve it.

Stuart, dude, take that back. The GOP has NO chance. It will be a blow out.

Like the Giants had no chance tonight? LOL

Hillary has WAY too much baggage...and I don't think Obama can get enough support in the south to win. McCain or Romney wins...not easily...but whomever the Republicans put up will win.

And I will stick by my bet...I will even put it on Youtube...how many hits do you think THAT video will get?

[WIX]

I don't want to be near you on November 4 when Mitt Romney wins the election.

Dude...if you seriously think a Morman from liberal Massachusetts has ANY shot of ever being elected president, you don't pay very close attention to politics! Not only won't Romney win the election, McCain will be the nominee, and will be completely smoked, by whomever the Democratic nominee is! The Democrats Are Coming!!!!!!!


John from Boston

Hey Bro, just to clarify, it is Mormon with an O. I know as I am one. And when I die I will get my own Kingdom in heaven with many beautiful wives

[weatherman90]

If Republicans return to their conservative roots, they will win. They need to run on making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, ending Amnesty and completing the fence, free market alternatives to socialized medicine, etc.

[Rockindeano]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

Dude, you make less sense than she ever has. You stating and demanding so, "a Democrat will not win the White House next year" is the single stupidest thing I have ever read here.

Face it, YOUR military guns and lie party is OVER.

Done.

I debate with facts...Sherrie and to a certain extent YOU debate with rhetoric backed up with what? Supposition...A Democrat won't win the Whitehouse....I will eat my shorts if one does...shorts I wore for a week...never changed...skids marks and all.

LOL...MY what? Party? I can't stand the President's positions on almost everything. The spending, the imigration policies, etc etc. I really only agree on lower taxes, because that means the government get less of MY money to give away, mostly to people who don't deserve it.

Stuart, dude, take that back. The GOP has NO chance. It will be a blow out.

Like the Giants had no chance tonight? LOL

Hillary has WAY too much baggage...and I don't think Obama can get enough support in the south to win. McCain or Romney wins...not easily...but whomever the Republicans put up will win.

And I will stick by my bet...I will even put it on Youtube...how many hits do you think THAT video will get?

Um, I had the Giants tonight.

You wil lose and lose big. Your party is dead

[RossValoryRocks]

I don't want to be near you on November 4 when Mitt Romney wins the election.

Dude...if you seriously think a Morman from liberal Massachusetts has ANY shot of ever being elected president, you don't pay very close attention to politics! Not only won't Romney win the election, McCain will be the nominee, and will be completely smoked, by whomever the Democratic nominee is! The Democrats Are Coming!!!!!!!


John from Boston

Hey Bro, just to clarify, it is Mormon with an O. I know as I am one. And when I die I will get my own Kingdom in heaven with many beautiful wives

Spudster! He got it right...Didn't you tell me your are Mor-Man than anyone on these boards?

[RossValoryRocks]

The big difference though Dave is that nobody but Dumbya, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have gone to war with Iraq using the excuse of 9/11. They orchestrated it from the beginning and it's still all on them.

Did they use 9/11, though, or was it a link to Al Qaeda?

You know the answer I'm going to give you to that Dave, and I'm not going to go into that again. I've learned that it's useless to argue with anyone who hasn't learned the truth yet. They're obviously not capable of learning so why try to enlighten them.

You could be the biggest idiot I have ever met. I have been patient and tried not sink to your level of name calling but that is over. I am sick of you calling people stupid and ignorant. I am going to hound you night and day on these topics until you produce some kind of PROOF for your idiotic statements or until you shut your damn pie hole and debate facts not opinions.

I am coming for you Sherrie...you have been warned.

Dude, you make less sense than she ever has. You stating and demanding so, "a Democrat will not win the White House next year" is the single stupidest thing I have ever read here.

Face it, YOUR military guns and lie party is OVER.

Done.

I debate with facts...Sherrie and to a certain extent YOU debate with rhetoric backed up with what? Supposition...A Democrat won't win the Whitehouse....I will eat my shorts if one does...shorts I wore for a week...never changed...skids marks and all.

LOL...MY what? Party? I can't stand the President's positions on almost everything. The spending, the imigration policies, etc etc. I really only agree on lower taxes, because that means the government get less of MY money to give away, mostly to people who don't deserve it.

Stuart, dude, take that back. The GOP has NO chance. It will be a blow out.

Like the Giants had no chance tonight? LOL

Hillary has WAY too much baggage...and I don't think Obama can get enough support in the south to win. McCain or Romney wins...not easily...but whomever the Republicans put up will win.

And I will stick by my bet...I will even put it on Youtube...how many hits do you think THAT video will get?

Um, I had the Giants tonight.

You wil lose and lose big. Your party is dead

Sure you did...and dumbfuck...I am registered Libertarian...not a republican.

Once again...no facts...just rhetoric...Back up your words Dean...or shut up...

[Rockindeano]

If Republicans return to their conservative roots, they will win. They need to run on making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, ending Amnesty and completing the fence, free market alternatives to socialized medicine, etc.

Bush tax cuts crippled this nation.

[Voyager]

The GOP has NO chance. It will be a blow out.

Without a doubt. Everyone is disgusted with the way the Republicans have driven this country into the ditch. We would have to be insane to want more of the same.

[WIX]

I don't want to be near you on November 4 when Mitt Romney wins the election.

Dude...if you seriously think a Morman from liberal Massachusetts has ANY shot of ever being elected president, you don't pay very close attention to politics! Not only won't Romney win the election, McCain will be the nominee, and will be completely smoked, by whomever the Democratic nominee is! The Democrats Are Coming!!!!!!!


John from Boston

Hey Bro, just to clarify, it is Mormon with an O. I know as I am one. And when I die I will get my own Kingdom in heaven with many beautiful wives

Spudster! He got it right...Didn't you tell me your are Mor-Man than anyone on these boards?

Actually, that must have been my peter talking again. I have a sensitive side like Gene Wilder and a manly side like Rambo.

[G.I.Jim]

GI Jim, you aren't the only soldier here, so stop with the GOP +military BS. I think for myself, and you should give it a try. Dude, this war, we lost. Yes, we lost it because of White House incompetence. Poorly managed effort. This war is about oil and Halliburton. Be nice if a president went in with the right intentions, rather than side income on their mind.

It's ok to question your leader, even if he is a republican. Really, it's ok to say your president is a corrupt evil scumbag.

Give me some evidence Dean.

I know you WERE a soldier, and I have always said I appreciate you for that. The fact that people in here use soldiers deaths for nice statistics without doing any research, and offering no respect to soldiers is what pisses me off! Yeah we've lost people, and every one of their lives were valuable...that's what we all agreed to when we sign on the dotted line! Having soldiers out there on the front line every day is what has kept this country from falling under any other serious attacks since 911!

We have NOT lost this war, although you Democrats won't admit any progress (as that would mean you were wrong and made a mistake). I've never said that the White House has done a perfect job at running this war (we've NEVER had a president who has had to face an enemy like this before either).

It amazes me that someone who adores the Clintons so much, has any room to come in here and discuss Bush's morals. Just blows my fucking mind! Again, show me some evidence. Otherwise...just have a nice warm glass of SHUT THE HELL UP!

[RossValoryRocks]

If Republicans return to their conservative roots, they will win. They need to run on making the Bush Tax Cuts permanent, ending Amnesty and completing the fence, free market alternatives to socialized medicine, etc.

Bush tax cuts crippled this nation.

Bullshit...they are the only things that kept the tech bubble from causing a severe recession. You know NOTHING about economics dude.

The amount of money coming into the government has NEVER been higher as percentage of GDP.

It is the fucked up spending...and I agree with you about that...that is crippling this nation.