OT: Another One Bites The Dust...

[SteveForever]

"The thing that sets the American Christian apart from all other people in the world is, he will die on his feet before he'll live on his knees."

George Washington

I'm sure the British, French or Australian Christian is just as proud of his God and Country as the American one and I think the Muslims could probably quote something similar from one of their leaders. Whatever the religion, it's the same hyperbole.

So? This is America the last time I checked and our country was founded on some wonderful principles and this quote is from one of the great men that did so. This thread is about American politics Sherrie, not Britain or the others you mentioned.
My response was related to what Memorex posted about Mormons, should have quoted him as a matter of a fact.

[ohsherrie]

"The thing that sets the American Christian apart from all other people in the world is, he will die on his feet before he'll live on his knees."

George Washington

I'm sure the British, French or Australian Christian is just as proud of his God and Country as the American one and I think the Muslims could probably quote something similar from one of their leaders. Whatever the religion, it's the same hyperbole.

So? This is America the last time I checked and our country was founded on some wonderful principles and this quote is from one of the great men that did so. This thread is about American politics Sherrie, not Britain or the others you mentioned.

Yes, American politics, that shouldn't have anything to do with religion. If you want to talk religion then a Christian, is a Christian, is a Christian, regardless of his nationality, and a Muslim, regardless of nationality believes just as strongly in his dogma.

The term freedom of religion may have meant freedom of Christian religion when it was penned in antiquity, but at that time the right to bear arms meant the right to bear a single shot muzzle loader too. Every man was created equal also meant every white man then. If we're going to adapt the principles to suit the evolution of society and culture then all of the principles need to evolve equally. Picking and choosing which principles suit which political philosophy negates the validity of all of them

[RedWingFan]

"The thing that sets the American Christian apart from all other people in the world is, he will die on his feet before he'll live on his knees."

George Washington

I'm sure the British, French or Australian Christian is just as proud of his God and Country as the American one and I think the Muslims could probably quote something similar from one of their leaders. Whatever the religion, it's the same hyperbole.

So? This is America the last time I checked and our country was founded on some wonderful principles and this quote is from one of the great men that did so. This thread is about American politics Sherrie, not Britain or the others you mentioned.

Yes, American politics, that shouldn't have anything to do with religion. If you want to talk religion then a Christian, is a Christian, is a Christian, regardless of his nationality, and a Muslim, regardless of nationality believes just as strongly in his dogma.

The term freedom of religion may have meant freedom of Christian religion when it was penned in antiquity, but at that time the right to bear arms meant the right to bear a single shot muzzle loader too. Every man was created equal also meant every white man then. If we're going to adapt the principles to suit the evolution of society and culture then all of the principles need to evolve equally. Picking and choosing which principles suit which political philosophy negates the validity of all of them

You're right. We are a pretty rotten country. Always have been. In fact I think folks in China and India deserve to have our jobs shipped to them. Yours and your husbands included. Reap what we sow.

[SteveForever]

"The thing that sets the American Christian apart from all other people in the world is, he will die on his feet before he'll live on his knees."

George Washington

I'm sure the British, French or Australian Christian is just as proud of his God and Country as the American one and I think the Muslims could probably quote something similar from one of their leaders. Whatever the religion, it's the same hyperbole.

So? This is America the last time I checked and our country was founded on some wonderful principles and this quote is from one of the great men that did so. This thread is about American politics Sherrie, not Britain or the others you mentioned.

Yes, American politics, that shouldn't have anything to do with religion. If you want to talk religion then a Christian, is a Christian, is a Christian, regardless of his nationality, and a Muslim, regardless of nationality believes just as strongly in his dogma.

The term freedom of religion may have meant freedom of Christian religion when it was penned in antiquity, but at that time the right to bear arms meant the right to bear a single shot muzzle loader too. Every man was created equal also meant every white man then. If we're going to adapt the principles to suit the evolution of society and culture then all of the principles need to evolve equally. Picking and choosing which principles suit which political philosophy negates the validity of all of them

huh? what does this have to do with Muslims? not sure what your motive is here in response to me quoting George Washington....?
freedom of religion means=we can have our own religions Sherrie and mine is Christianity.

[ohsherrie]

I'm not sure of your motive in posting that quote then Liz. It seemed to me that you were saying Christianity is The American Religion and that it's the only religion that is used to exemplify valour or as an excuse for war.

[SteveForever]

I'm not sure of your motive in posting that quote then Liz. It seemed to me that you were saying Christianity is The American Religion and that it's the only religion that is used to exemplify valour or as an excuse for war.

no, it was in response to Memorex and Tammy's exchange about being left by their fathers and that welfare and Mormons helped them, again I should have quoted them, I already said that...
I had no motive, mine was praising this nation's kindness as a whole and I still believe in it. I believe in what this country was founded on, no apologies.
I don't have a problem either with candidates running for the Presidency having faith, I think people that have a spiritual life are more balanced.

[ohsherrie]

Oh, uh-huh, sure, Ok.

[bluejeangirl76]

Just to be clear - I am a firm believer in separation of church and state. I also take comfort, maybe for my own shortcomings, that generally our leaders have faith in a higher power. Maybe it will keep their hand off the button.

Mormon, Baptist, woman, black, Muslim - Actually a damn great moment in our country's history if you ask me.

Actually, I was thinking that the other day! We've come farther than we give ourselves credit for.

And to think... it was a big unsettling deal when Kennedy was running and became elected... "GASP! A Catholic president!? *faints*"

[bluejeangirl76]

The term freedom of religion may have meant freedom of Christian religion when it was penned in antiquity, but at that time the right to bear arms meant the right to bear a single shot muzzle loader too. Every man was created equal also meant every white man then. If we're going to adapt the principles to suit the evolution of society and culture then all of the principles need to evolve equally. Picking and choosing which principles suit which political philosophy negates the validity of all of them

I always love to happen across people who can see through that shit too. People do have a nasty habit of picking and choosing only what fits into personal agendas, eh? So if we're going to throw out one or two, then they all have to go. You can't just pick the ones you think are a good idea.

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

[STORY_TELLER]

So, which one of these candidates have specifically said that they plan on including their religious beliefs into their presidential policy?

I'm not even going to dignify this with an answer.

Why not?

The reason I said I wasn't going to dignify it was because I thought you were baiting me. The reason I thought you were baiting me was because it's a silly question. It's a silly question because no candidate would ever specifically say they plan on including their religious beliefs into their presidential policy because it would be political suicide to do so. They would lose the moderate vote.

I considered your question to be silly because I thought that was a given, hence why I thought you were baiting me. If you were sincere, I apologize.

John McCain has this very same balancing act right now. He's trying to get the far right to back him. Even though he's now the front runner for the republican party, they're still not crazy about him because in their eyes, he's not conservative enough. And while he needs their backing, he doesn't want to lose the moderate voters who made him the front runner in the first place. Just using him as an example here, if he was to do what you were suggesting, no way he'd be the front runner now.

[Rhiannon]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

Jesus said for you to stop being an overinterpretive liberal bitch!

[bluejeangirl76]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

Jesus said for you to stop being an overinterpretive liberal bitch!

Maybe so, but he still loves me. This I know.
Wasn't my interpretation, I robbed it from a program I saw. I still like it though.

[Rhiannon]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

Jesus said for you to stop being an overinterpretive liberal bitch!

Maybe so, but he still loves me. This I know.
Wasn't my interpretation, I robbed it from a program I saw. I still like it though.

I know. I just like pretending to deliver messages from the Son of Man. Yeah, He'd probably like it if I shut up.

[bluejeangirl76]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

Jesus said for you to stop being an overinterpretive liberal bitch!

Maybe so, but he still loves me. This I know.
Wasn't my interpretation, I robbed it from a program I saw. I still like it though.

I know. I just like pretending to deliver messages from the Son of Man. Yeah, He'd probably like it if I shut up.

If he wanted you to shut up, he'd smite you. I have it on good authority that he enjoys your visuals.
I would like to believe we were given voices for a reason (or in this case, keyboards)

[FishinMagician]

I'm not a bible thumper or even very religious, but I hate to see people mocked for their religious beliefs. I know each religion thinks they are right and so do the atheists who mock them. Call me old school, but I find that kind of humor tasteless and disrespectful. George Carlin doesn't have all the answers either.

I'm not really sure what your point is. I don't recall saying that George Carlin had "all the answers". As Dean pointed out...The guy is a COMEDIAN! His job in life is to poke fun at the life he sees around him. I'm personally NEVER going to criticize a comedian for making people laugh or actually think (which I think Carlin does a lot of). While most "Christians" may find it offensive, I went to church EVERY Sunday as a kid growing up (and for the record, it was a Christian church), and still was able to laugh about it.


John from Boston

My point I guess is that I think comedians who attack/mock relgious people are tacky (and arrogant) and that Mr. Carlin as an atheist probably isn't right either.

haha so every other aspect like race and ethnicity, gender, etc is ok. but religion??!! no not allowed!!

[Enigma869]

And to think... it was a big unsettling deal when Kennedy was running and became elected... "GASP! A Catholic president!? *faints*"

Yes, but sadly, I think Kennedy was the last non-Protestant president we elected, and that was well before I was even born!


John from Boston

[FishinMagician]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

well, thats just plain nasty!

[Rhiannon]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

Jesus said for you to stop being an overinterpretive liberal bitch!

Maybe so, but he still loves me. This I know.
Wasn't my interpretation, I robbed it from a program I saw. I still like it though.

I know. I just like pretending to deliver messages from the Son of Man. Yeah, He'd probably like it if I shut up.

If he wanted you to shut up, he'd smite you. I have it on good authority that he enjoys your visuals.
I would like to believe we were given voices for a reason (or in this case, keyboards)

Agreed. Shellfish is nasty though. For the record. (Except shrimp!)

[bluejeangirl76]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

well, thats just plain nasty!

Well yeah, but that wasn't quite the point I was going for....lol!
That's a whole different topic, and one I'm not going to be the one to start.

[Rhiannon]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

well, thats just plain nasty!

Well yeah, but that wasn't quite the point I was going for....lol!
That's a whole different topic, and one I'm not going to be the one to start.

You brought it up!! You sick freak! I mean, ewwww. So if sex in the monthlies is nasty, shellfish is nasty, what does that tell us about man-on-man lovin? ...Nasty? Ummhmmm...

[bluejeangirl76]

I love when people argue gay rights with me and hide behind "the Bible says it's wrong." I don't hesitate to whip out Leviticus on the folks and point out that two pages BEFORE it even deals with that issue, it tells you eating shellfish is a sin. So is being intimate during that special womanly time. So is BATHING during that special womanly time. How many women adhere to THAT? So have another shrimp cocktail, re-read that bible, and come back when you have a better arugument.

well, thats just plain nasty!

Well yeah, but that wasn't quite the point I was going for....lol!
That's a whole different topic, and one I'm not going to be the one to start.

You brought it up!! You sick freak! I mean, ewwww. So if sex in the monthlies is nasty, shellfish is nasty, what does that tell us about man-on-man lovin? ...Nasty? Ummhmmm...

Yes, but all of those are subjective. To some... nasty. To others, not so much.
Schwimps is yummy.

[Rhiannon]

Well yeah, but that wasn't quite the point I was going for....lol!
That's a whole different topic, and one I'm not going to be the one to start.

You brought it up!! You sick freak! I mean, ewwww. So if sex in the monthlies is nasty, shellfish is nasty, what does that tell us about man-on-man lovin? ...Nasty? Ummhmmm...

Yes, but all of those are subjective. To some... nasty. To others, not so much.
Schwimps is yummy.

Skrimps is deelish... but the other critters, not so much. Ooh damn, now I'm craving some calabash. *drool*