Journey re-recording the classics?

[Saint John]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

Boy, somebody sure is "in the loop."

Nah. Not in their loop and don't want to be.

I forgot the after the sentence.

[EightyRock]

I have a hard time believing that if Perry has veto power over them re-recording the classics, that he would allow ANYBODY else to record (sing) them. At least I hope that's the case. He's the only one that seems to have an interest in protecting them, so I hope he continues to do that, if he can, legally.

The thought of them doing that really pisses me off. Shows how desperate they are for a buck. I think in Schon's very tiny mind, he really thinks HE can improve on those originals. Their egos are out of control.

[Saint John]

I have a hard time believing that if Perry has veto power over them re-recording the classics, that he would allow ANYBODY else to record (sing) them. At least I hope that's the case. He's the only one that seems to have an interest in protecting them, so I hope he continues to do that, if he can, legally.

The thought of them doing that really pisses me off. Shows how desperate they are for a buck. I think in Schon's very tiny mind, he really thinks HE can improve on those originals. Their egos are out of control.

I don't think they can redo them for sales purposes. I have a feeling if they redo them it would be for piped in background, a way for Arnel to practice them, and possibly promotional purposes. Asia would be the only place I could see such a product selling. We already have the real deal Greatest Hits.

[jrnyman28]

I used to like this idea when Augeri started in the band. It is obvious that the band plays these songs differently now than they did when first recorded. In fact, some songs have always been played live differently than they were recorded. I liked the idea of the band showcasing the way they play live.

By the time this idea was mentioned with JSS, I was not as keen on the idea.

Now, I hate it.

Too much time, too much bad karma, too much greed. Perception is everything and my perception of this is IT SUCKS.

However, Azoff is already in bed with WalMart for the Eagles. I can easily see some form of "exclusive" Journey product for their shelves. And I can definately see a couple of new tracks tacked on to entice those who don't want 'just another Hits compilation'.

However, this is all just "wait-and-see" speculation.....

[The Fly]

However, Azoff is already in bed with WalMart for the Eagles. I can easily see some form of "exclusive" Journey product for their shelves.

Why not? It worked for the Eagles!!

[donnaplease]

Doesn't the band have to hit the studio to re-record the GH, or at least portions of them, for promotional purposes?
Radio ads touting Augeri-fronted concerts, for example, featured clips of Augeri on lead.
I recall very early on in the Jeff-fronted tour, a promotional clip was released using footage of Jeff, but he was dubbed using Augeri's voice (singing 'Separate Ways').
I hate to reference the troubled period of 2005, but as the 'Generations' tour went on, especially in the UK, it became apparent that the band had pre-recorded SA lead vocals on hand not only of the the dirty dozen, but even on more obscure cuts such as "Dead or Alive" and "Keep on Running".

As much as I wish it weren't the case, re-recording the back catalog may be standard operating procedure for this band before it embarks on an inaugural tour.

When we were in Clearwater, Florida in February we were sitting in the Applebee's near the venue, and the radio was playing overhead. There was an advertisement for the concert that night and the songs that were playing were the 'classic' songs with SP singing. It was very odd to hear, given that JSS had been performing with Journey for about 7 months already, and I thought they could have found some great clips of him singing.

[mistiejourney]

I used to like this idea when Augeri started in the band. It is obvious that the band plays these songs differently now than they did when first recorded. In fact, some songs have always been played live differently than they were recorded. I liked the idea of the band showcasing the way they play live.

By the time this idea was mentioned with JSS, I was not as keen on the idea.

Now, I hate it.

Too much time, too much bad karma, too much greed. Perception is everything and my perception of this is IT SUCKS.

However, Azoff is already in bed with WalMart for the Eagles. I can easily see some form of "exclusive" Journey product for their shelves. And I can definately see a couple of new tracks tacked on to entice those who don't want 'just another Hits compilation'.

However, this is all just "wait-and-see" speculation.....

I'll have to go check his old newsletters, but I seem to remember Kevin Cronin talking about playing at WalMarts with the last CD they released....

Nope, just checked. I was right: http://wcco.com/topstories/Reo.Speedwagon.walmart.2.366429.html

I just cannot imagine Journey doing this. I thought it was odd that REO was doing it. Maybe I just don't want to imagine it.

[Carlitto H@kk]

However, Azoff is already in bed with WalMart for the Eagles. I can easily see some form of "exclusive" Journey product for their shelves.

Why not? It worked for the Eagles!!

Sure it did... But the Eagles are still pretty much in their most famous incarnation,
with Henley, Walsh, Frey and Schmit; all the 'original' voices of their most
memorable songs. Marketing an "original line-up" is a lot easier
than marketing a line-up "featuring a founding guitarist, bass player and
longtime keyboardist... Even a Wal-Mart project would need Perry's involvement
to generate any real excitement in sales.

[Lula]

Good ole Wal-Mart Talk about greed... nice way to hold up that legacy. I need the barfing smilie guy. Hey Yulog!

[STORY_TELLER]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

This would make sense if it was the original band doing the re-recording. I seem to recall Styx re-recording Lady for a greatest hits re-issue or the like and the band had it in their contract with the record company to do so. However, that was with Dennis DeYoung's involvement.

I'm wondering how this plays without the singer who made these songs hits in the first place? Who would want that unless the songs were re-tooled and re-imagined in a new way (i.e. unplugged, etc.)?

Bottom line for me is I have a hard time imagining Perry would allow this to happen.

[Crazie Scarab]

Any re-recordings, if they happen at all, will not make any difference. As far as Journey's legacy, Steve Perry is the one and only voice, that here in the end of their tenure, matters. Try as they will, Neal, Jon and Ross will never repeat the "glory days."

I, as a committed Journey fan since 1978 hereby state that I will NEVER spend another dime on Journey ever again. That is how pissed I am. Fuck 'em!

[Voyager]

Any re-recordings, if they happen at all, will not make any difference. As far as Journey's legacy, Steve Perry is the one and only voice, that here in the end of their tenure, matters. Try as they will, Neal, Jon and Ross will never repeat the "glory days."

I, as a committed Journey fan since 1978 hereby state that I will NEVER spend another dime on Journey ever again. That is how pissed I am. Fuck 'em!

I think that many people here feel the same way you do, including myself.

[texafana]

At the end of the day...if and when any new recordings of the classics get released, I will listen. If I like what I hear, I'll probably buy the cd or a few tracks off itunes, etc. Regardless of all the biz bs, if the music sounds good it will get my attention.

[bluejeangirl76]

Good ole Wal-Mart Talk about greed... nice way to hold up that legacy. I need the barfing smilie guy. Hey Yulog!

Heye ya go... take your pick.





I'm thinking these will work too...

[AlienC]

I was really surprised when you told me that. I was watching it again last night, and it's surprisingly good quality. Seems like it would take a ton of time to re-record and have it be on track so it didn't look like lipsynching. Heck, for that matter, they could have cut away from Steve on the part where he flubbed the lyrics to a few songs and fixed those as well, but maybe keeping those added to the "Live" illusion.

Did they only re-record certain parts, or the entire thing? Wonder what the actual show was like...

Even the supposed soundboard boots I have of that show have the pro-tooled vocals.

I can state categorically that the lead vocals at the show were all live. Kevin and SA touched up the vocals for the dvd, but the show was live.
Backing vocals have always been sampled and flown in from a keyboard, but I know what was plugged in and running on the 2001 performance.
Tape gate didn't exist then, although , as I have said before, we had the technology.

[Saint John]

I was really surprised when you told me that. I was watching it again last night, and it's surprisingly good quality. Seems like it would take a ton of time to re-record and have it be on track so it didn't look like lipsynching. Heck, for that matter, they could have cut away from Steve on the part where he flubbed the lyrics to a few songs and fixed those as well, but maybe keeping those added to the "Live" illusion.

Did they only re-record certain parts, or the entire thing? Wonder what the actual show was like...

Even the supposed soundboard boots I have of that show have the pro-tooled vocals.

I can state categorically that the lead vocals at the show were all live. Kevin and SA touched up the vocals for the dvd, but the show was live.
Backing vocals have always been sampled and flown in from a keyboard, but I know what was plugged in and running on the 2001 performance.
Tape gate didn't exist then, although , as I have said before, we had the technology.

Keep the stories coming, dude.

[Voyager]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

[Voyager]

I guess nobody knows?

[Rockindeano]

Good ole Wal-Mart Talk about greed... nice way to hold up that legacy. I need the barfing smilie guy. Hey Yulog!

Hey fuck it, Walmart is all about capitalism. Stop whining.

[Rockindeano]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

Yes. They are recorded. My take is they will be manufactured with the new CD.

Hell, Irving, if he won't say dick, we all have to. Irv, pull the toilet paper out your ass.


The new CD will be marketed with the new cd

[Saint John]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

They are already finished rerecording them. I know someone that has already heard them. He/she said they sound incredible. I'd look for a package, or at the very least the option of, the new CD, the GH rerecorded and the Vegas DVD as a March release. I'd buy the package deal in a minute.

[ProgRocker53]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

They are already finished rerecording them. I know someone that has already heard them. He/she said they sound incredible. I'd look for a package, or at the very least the option of, the new CD, the GH rerecorded and the Vegas DVD as a March release. I'd buy the package deal in a minute.

A package deal of a all-new CD, some re-done hits and a DVD? I'm there!

I really enjoyed the REO Speedwagon triple-pack of Find Your On Way Home last year.

[stevew2]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

Yes. They are recorded. My take is they will be manufactured with the new CD.

Hell, Irving, if he won't say dick, we all have to. Irv, pull the toilet paper out your ass.


The new CD will be marketed with the new cd

I cant fucking wait. ill throw it in the cart,after I buy my fucking 30 weight oil , and 30 gallon trash bags ,and a six pack of Sams diet cola,Ill throw in some cheesepuffs and some Equiate mouth wash while im at it

[Saint John]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

Yes. They are recorded. My take is they will be manufactured with the new CD.

Hell, Irving, if he won't say dick, we all have to. Irv, pull the toilet paper out your ass.


The new CD will be marketed with the new cd

I cant fucking wait. ill throw it in the cart,after I buy my fucking 30 weight oil , and 30 gallon trash bags ,and a six pack of Sams diet cola,Ill throw in some cheesepuffs and some Equiate mouth wash while im at it

Throw "Grammar For Dummies" in there, too.

[Rockindeano]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

Yes. They are recorded. My take is they will be manufactured with the new CD.

Hell, Irving, if he won't say dick, we all have to. Irv, pull the toilet paper out your ass.


The new CD will be marketed with the new cd

I cant fucking wait. ill throw it in the cart,after I buy my fucking 30 weight oil , and 30 gallon trash bags ,and a six pack of Sams diet cola,Ill throw in some cheesepuffs and some Equiate mouth wash while im at it

You can't fucking wait? LOL, you are running smack with a tribute singer in your avatar. Dude, Jeremey sucks,. Fuck, instead of worrying about singers, go learn how to properly write and construct a sentence. Yes Jeremey sucks. If he was so fucking good, he would be the singer of Journey, but he isn't, is he? Fuck you you Hunsicker. You are a lying piece of shit. Oh, I know the story. You lied asshole.

[Andrew]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

They are already finished rerecording them. I know someone that has already heard them. He/she said they sound incredible. I'd look for a package, or at the very least the option of, the new CD, the GH rerecorded and the Vegas DVD as a March release. I'd buy the package deal in a minute.

A package deal of a all-new CD, some re-done hits and a DVD? I'm there!

I really enjoyed the REO Speedwagon triple-pack of Find Your On Way Home last year.

Bingo. Same management, same idea, same deal. That's my educated guess...

[Rhiannon]

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

Yes. They are recorded. My take is they will be manufactured with the new CD.

Hell, Irving, if he won't say dick, we all have to. Irv, pull the toilet paper out your ass.


The new CD will be marketed with the new cd

I cant fucking wait. ill throw it in the cart,after I buy my fucking 30 weight oil , and 30 gallon trash bags ,and a six pack of Sams diet cola,Ill throw in some cheesepuffs and some Equiate mouth wash while im at it

Throw "Grammar For Dummies" in there, too.

Found the problem...

[Voyager]

So, did they re-record just the lead vocals on the classics, or all of the instrumentation and backing vocals also?

Also, how do you think the majority of Journey fans will react to them re-recording the classics? Do you think the CD will fly off the shelves?

[Rockindeano]

The truth needs to come come full circle.

Jeremey is a fucking liar.

Fuck you Hunsicker. I know all about what happened. You are either a liar or a poor trsncscriber of facts.

Your blog is a joke. You weren't passed up, you were passed over.
Arnel sings your sorry ass into the ground.

[ProgRocker53]

The truth needs to come come full circle.

Jeremey is a fucking liar.

Fuck you Hunsicker. I know all about what happened. You are either a liar or a poor trsncscriber of facts.

Your blog is a joke. You weren't passed up, you were passed over.
Arnel sings your sorry ass into the ground.

Oh boy, two of MR's biggest personalities embroiled in a conflict! What shall come of this?

I wish I knew both sides of what happened. Until then, I can't judge. But one thing I can judge are the vocals....

....and even then, I'll reserve judgement until I get the opportunity to see both Frontiers and Arnel-fronted Journey live. YouTube never fully does vocals justice, I reckon.