Journey re-recording the classics?

[Rick]

I am all for Arnel singing for Journey on a concert tour since Steve Perry is unwilling or unable to do so. But why would they re-record the classics?

I heard that WalMart approached Journey about redoing the classics, and bypassing the middleman. It's a cash grab for Journey. They aren't doing it out of disrespect for the music, they're doing it for the same reason they're still touring. They need the money.

[Rockindeano]

You can't fucking wait? LOL, you are running smack with a tribute singer in your avatar. Dude, Jeremey sucks,. Fuck, instead of worrying about singers, go learn how to properly write and construct a sentence. Yes Jeremey sucks. If he was so fucking good, he would be the singer of Journey, but he isn't, is he? Fuck you you Hunsicker. You are a lying piece of shit. Oh, I know the story. You lied asshole.

Jesus, what is wrong with you, dude? Can you give it a rest? I publically state I can't post comfortably on this board any longer, so then it's safe for you to come out with this ridiculous diatribe? Sad....Really......To be so worked up about people who don't know you, don't care about you, and will never make a difference in your life. I just wish someone would really clue me in to what it is I did to all these people to deserve such hatred. Why don't you start a blog about it Dean?

Shut up.

My diatribe? My diatribe about MY opinion? Like I said, shut the fuck up. You are the one who aired dirty laundry, calling out Journey, talking bad about Journey, and I am not convinced your blog was truthful. In fact, I know it wasn't.

And you call me sad? I never once lied in my blog. Not once. Your blog is edited more than a campaign commercial. Give it a rest.

[Rockindeano]

I am all for Arnel singing for Journey on a concert tour since Steve Perry is unwilling or unable to do so. But why would they re-record the classics?

I heard that WalMart approached Journey about redoing the classics, and bypassing the middleman. It's a cash grab for Journey. They aren't doing it out of disrespect for the music, they're doing it for the same reason they're still touring. They need the money.

They're doing it because Perry can no longer prevent them from doing so. Steve tried his hardest to protect the legacy. His once proud Michaelangelo looks like a retarded Charlie Brown but hey, after all, it is what it is right? Dollars.

[Behshad]

I dont recall , Neal or any other members of Journey stating that they are or are not comfortable posting here, yet they have to take the shit. So why cant others do the same?

[Jeremey]

Shut up.

My diatribe? My diatribe about MY opinion? Like I said, shut the fuck up. You are the one who aired dirty laundry, calling out Journey, talking bad about Journey, and I am not convinced your blog was truthful. In fact, I know it wasn't.

And you call me sad? I never once lied in my blog. Not once. Your blog is edited more than a campaign commercial. Give it a rest.

I'm PMing you my phone number. You need to call me. I'm not going to carry on like this on the internet any fucking more. And if I don't respond to any PMs you send me before tomorrow it's because I don't have any power or heat in my house until Thursday, not because I'm ignoring you.

[Jeremey]

I dont recall , Neal or any other members of Journey stating that they are or are not comfortable posting here, yet they have to take the shit. So why cant others do the same?

You can call me too if you want. I'm tired of this.

[Andrew]

And I am also well tired of this crap.

Fair dinkum folks...what is it about this group of people that just absolutely MUST search for something to bitch and moan about....CONSTANTLY!
Everything was going along fine there for a while, but no, that's not good enough is it - we must find soemthing to whine about.

Good Lord people.

[Behshad]

I dont recall , Neal or any other members of Journey stating that they are or are not comfortable posting here, yet they have to take the shit. So why cant others do the same?

You can call me too if you want. I'm tired of this.

I am WAY over the old crapand moved on,,, but you still have this HATE inside you.... yes because of the past,, but as I said Ive moved on from that stage,,,,
The only thing I asked you the last time you got mad was not to expect everyone to agree with you or like you (as a singer),,,,
Was that wrong !? I simply said , I dont understand your need of proving yourself to people,.,,,, those who love you, love you no matter what,,,,
and those who dont like you, will not like you more, just cause you wanna boost some ego.,,,, you shouldnt have too.

[Andrew]

Unlocked....for now...as I am asurred that civil discussion will be forthcoming.

I await with anticipation for such an event!

[Behshad]

I asked Drew to unlock this thread, so once and for all, we end this feud. I promised him that we will be civil or he will lock it.
I stated above to Jeremey, that its time to move on,,,, he is more than welcome to respond here.... I just think its time we ALL move on and try to make MR the fun place it used to be. Sure, we can disagree on things,, but its all about HOW we share our disagreement and thoughts that makes the difference.
Lets take Ricks advise from another thread and work on a peaceful MR,,,, where we can laugh at things, rather than express hateful feelings we dont even mean half the time. Lets move on,,,,

[lights1961]

i dont want remakes of studio stuff--- only live stuff of the classics. and even then, i want 1980 departure tour DVD released before any of the new stuff....
iam with Drew on this one---keep the personal crap out of this thread.




Rick

[Voyager]

I am all for Arnel singing for Journey on a concert tour since Steve Perry is unwilling or unable to do so. But why would they re-record the classics?

I heard that WalMart approached Journey about redoing the classics, and bypassing the middleman. It's a cash grab for Journey. They aren't doing it out of disrespect for the music, they're doing it for the same reason they're still touring. They need the money.

I read that on another forum too, but I find it hard to believe. Would WalMart just randomly approach the Beatles and ask them to find a John Lennon soundalike to re-record the Beatles classics? Can you see any reason for WalMart to do such a thing? To me it just sounds like a lame made-up excuse to stab Steve Perry in the back. This would be much worse than what Eddie Van Halen did when he removed Michael Anthony's photos from the classic Van Halen albums on the VH website (which Eddie caught some major hell over and reversed course immediately).

Recording a live album or a live DVD with a new singer is one thing; going back and re-recording the classic studio albums is something completely different. As far as I know, this has never been done by a band on the same level as Journey.

Like I said before, I think Arnel will sound great with Journey based on what I have heard. I am even looking forward to seeing them in concert with him this summer. If the new Journey album of original music with Arnel singing gets decent reviews, I will probably buy it. But I see no reason to buy a remake of Journey's classics with a soundalike singer on them. If they actually put on on the market, I think it will be an all-time low for a national act.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Recording a live album or a live DVD with a new singer is one thing; going back and re-recording the classic studio albums is something completely different. As far as I know, this has never been done by a band on the same level as Journey.

I was just thinking...do we know for sure that they aren't putting a new spin on the classics? Maybe acoustic, or with an orchestra like Andrew suggested? Perhaps it's not just a straight re-recording...?

Or maybe I missed someone officially confirming that it's a straight re-recording.

[Rockindeano]

And I am also well tired of this crap.

Fair dinkum folks...what is it about this group of people that just absolutely MUST search for something to bitch and moan about....CONSTANTLY!
Everything was going along fine there for a while, but no, that's not good enough is it - we must find soemthing to whine about.

Good Lord people.

Relax Jack.

Huge speed bump, out of the way. This board will be fine.

This place will sail on now.

[Voyager]

I was just thinking...do we know for sure that they aren't putting a new spin on the classics? Maybe acoustic, or with an orchestra like Andrew suggested? Perhaps it's not just a straight re-recording...?

Or maybe I missed someone officially confirming that it's a straight re-recording.

So, does anyone have a concrete answer on whether they are re-recording any of the classics or not?

Yes. They are recorded. My take is they will be manufactured with the new CD.

I read this on another forum also. Seems like it's a done deal.

[ttango1]

But I see no reason to buy a remake of Journey's classics with a soundalike singer on them. If they actually put on on the market, I think it will be an all-time low for a national act.

If Arnel sings as himself, would that be okay...I mean would that remove the soundalike stigma? IMHO The issue is that if you're a smooth tenor and you start singing those highs, you're going to sound similar but it doesn't mean you are copying, you are just hitting note for note.

Also, since they are performing world-wide now and have in the past...doesn't that mean that they are an international act?

[Gibby]

Beshad,

Lately all you do is jump into something that is between Dean and Jeremey. Have the guts to call Jeremey and discuss rather than continue your gutless jumping in and piling on. Once Dean and Jeremey get into something it is only inevitable that you will come in with some stupid ass dig at Jeremey. It makes you look small and I really doubt that Dean wants or needs your help. We know you love JSS. Do many people here a favor - get over JSS's firing and shut the fuck up.

[ohsherrie]

But I see no reason to buy a remake of Journey's classics with a soundalike singer on them. If they actually put on on the market, I think it will be an all-time low for a national act.

If Arnel sings as himself, would that be okay...I mean would that remove the soundalike stigma? The issue is that if you're a smooth tenor and you start singing those highs, you're going to sound similar but it doesn't mean you are copying, you are just hitting note for note.

If you're talking about a tribute or cover band you're right. But you're talking about a CD that Walmart is going to try and pass off as the Journey GH CD.

These are the facts:

The Journey catalog sells very well.

Walmart doesn't want to settle for a retail piece of that action. They want to own it.

In order to own it they have to have a product that sounds like the original because they can't own the original.

The ripoffs of the GH are going to be made to sound as much as if Perry was still singing them as humanly possible.

That has more to do with money than genetic vocal ability.

[Rick]

But I see no reason to buy a remake of Journey's classics with a soundalike singer on them. If they actually put on on the market, I think it will be an all-time low for a national act.

If Arnel sings as himself, would that be okay...I mean would that remove the soundalike stigma? The issue is that if you're a smooth tenor and you start singing those highs, you're going to sound similar but it doesn't mean you are copying, you are just hitting note for note.

If you're talking about a tribute or cover band you're right. But you're talking about a CD that Walmart is going to try and pass off as the Journey GH CD.

These are the facts:

The Journey catalog sells very well.

Walmart doesn't want to settle for a retail piece of that action. They want to own it.

In order to own it they have to have a product that sounds like the original because they can't own the original.

The ripoffs of the GH are going to be made to sound as much as if Perry was still singing them as humanly possible.

That has more to do with money than genetic vocal ability.

Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?

[Behshad]

Beshad,

Lately all you do is jump into something that is between Dean and Jeremey. Have the guts to call Jeremey and discuss rather than continue your gutless jumping in and piling on. Once Dean and Jeremey get into something it is only inevitable that you will come in with some stupid ass dig at Jeremey. It makes you look small and I really doubt that Dean wants or needs your help. We know you love JSS. Do many people here a favor - get over JSS's firing and shut the fuck up.

Gibby....First of, I am over the JSS firing,,,,, also,, try to remain civil, thats condition number one from Andrew,when he unlocked this thread,

How come you can jump in here and discuss what is right not a discussion between me and Dean and Jeremey!????
This has nothing to do with loving JSS.
Read my last post before you keep attacking again,,,, I am not gonna a take a bait, specially from someone like you.
Dean doesnt need my help,,, I wasnt trying to help Dean....
I am trying to get the feud over,,,, when will you start to read and fathem what is really going on before you post !!!

[Gibby]

I have read enough to see that you can't help yourself when Dean and Jeremey get into something. You come in like a sniper to their conversation when it is not warranted and you absolutely cannot argue with that truth. I, like many I'm sure, have grown tired of reading it. Handle your business with Jeremey in private like a man. Your call for peace is pretty silly when a few posts before you interjected yourself once again into Dean and Jeremey's argument. Facts are facts and you cannot deny it.

It makes you look pathetic and you are embarrassing yourself. Surprise many and be true to your word and actually end this crap with Jeremey - you would be doing many of us here a great service.

[Behshad]

I have read enough to see that you can't help yourself when Dean and Jeremey get into something. You come in like a sniper to their conversation when it is not warranted and you absolutely cannot argue with that truth. I, like many I'm sure, have grown tired of reading it. Handle your business with Jeremey in private like a man. Your call for peace is pretty silly when a few posts before you interjected yourself once again into Dean and Jeremey's argument. Facts are facts and you cannot deny it.

It makes you look pathetic and you are embarrassing yourself. Surprise many and be true to your word and actually end this crap with Jeremey - you would be doing many of us here a great service.

For your information, things are being handled in private,,,, if you only read what I write with a negative spin, at least pay attention to what Jeremey said above. If you have grown tired of my posts, SKIP them.,,, why do you feel such need to read my posts???? I rarely read your posts, why cant you do the same!?
The only thing I deny is your inteligence.


Andrew

Please lock this thread now if you like. As long as we have Jeremey's cheerleaders running around here, we wont achieve anything positive,,,,
It was worth a try though , bro.

[ttango1]

The ripoffs of the GH are going to be made to sound as much as if Perry was still singing them as humanly possible.

Are they though? I mean really...there is a legacy sound true but that doesn't mean Steve owns it. If Arnel sings a song note-for-note but just as himself, does that mean he is making it sound as if Perry was still singing them? It's just a question.

[bluejeangirl76]

Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?

Fair an interesting question. I supposed it's tied to whatever what in this agreement that existed.
Maybe there's some loophole saying "fuck you, after X time frame, you can't sue us." *shrug*

Not that it would be much of a consolation (if it were me, anyway) but is he at least getting his cut?
As part owner of the property, does he not get paid when said propery is shit on- I MEAN - recorded by someone else?

Uck. The whole thing just makes me

[Gibby]

How can someone speak about intelligence when they don't even know how to spell it. Wow!

[Behshad]

How can someone speak about intelligence when they don't even know how to spell it. Wow!

So youre strongest skills here are spelling. Well , I may not have won any spelling bee's like you have, but considering this is my 3rd language, I think I deserve a bit more slack. I just wish that your brain was used more than spelling words correctly and rather learn the true meaning of them.

[Andrew]

Keep this on topic folks...not doing too badly...

[Behshad]

Keep this on topic folks...not doing too badly...

what was the topic again ?

[Perrydise]

Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?

Fair an interesting question. I supposed it's tied to whatever what in this agreement that existed.
Maybe there's some loophole saying "fuck you, after X time frame, you can't sue us." *shrug*

Not that it would be much of a consolation (if it were me, anyway) but is he at least getting his cut?
As part owner of the property, does he not get paid when said propery is shit on- I MEAN - recorded by someone else?

Uck. The whole thing just makes me

I am in agreement with BJG.

Personally myself I would like to see them use a new name, something like The Zookeeper featuring Journey.

[ProgRocker53]

Here's something I'd like to see with the re-recorded hits....

....how about they do a "live-ish" version of the re-recordings? For example... end DSB on "Don't Stop" instead of fading it. Go into the "Oooh I'm crazy for you baby" thing on SIL. Extended blues jam on LTS. Insane riffery on WITS. "Someday baby, I know your heart, will be mine" on IBAWY.

Things like that.... maybe tack on a guitar solo on OA and give it more cred. Haha.