Journey re-recording the classics?

[ttango1]

In '98, all they wanted to do was tour (and be able to record) as Journey as they had EVERY right in the world to do and he made that an ordeal for them.
His prickishness then had NOTHING to do with them rerecording old songs in 2008.

Not according to others here, who stated that the main reason they decided to re-record the classics was to say "Fuck you, Steve Perry."

I have to agree with them. I see no other reason for it. Like was said earlier, "Who in the fuck would want to buy Journey classics with a Steve Perry soundalike on them when you can still but them with Steve Perry on them?"

I have to agree with that assessment. So far I haven't heard any other valid explanation.

I guess we'll see in a few months if the albums start flying off the shelves or not.

I THOUHGHT I ANSWERED THIS QUESTION FOR YOU-Why'd you disregard the answer?

Also:

Do you really think the cover of that CD is gonna say "Journey's greatest hits as sung by Arnel Pineda"?

IF THEY SAY, INTRODUCING NEW SINGER ARNEL PINEDA...IS THAT OK?

[mistiejourney]

btw thats a guitar!!!

On the lighter side...
Beshad NOW wins the best avatar award!


"Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" (various other Homer Simpson-like noises)

Actually, Beshad is directly responsible for making this board "not-work-friendly"! (Hi Beshad!)

What would you guys think if I posted two GUYS doing that? Hmmmmm?

[mistiejourney]

Most fans never even heard about Steve's seemingly strange decisions from the past. All they remember are his hits and his fame - that is his legacy, and it is still very much intact and without blemish.

That's because if anyone tries to discuss it, they get a cease and desist letter!

Sorry, I'm just a smart-ass today.

[ProgRocker53]

But take Perry out of this "collective, collaborative entity" and what do you have? Three dusty old LPs that only ProgRocker53 listens to.

Damn straight.

[Voyager]

In '98, all they wanted to do was tour (and be able to record) as Journey as they had EVERY right in the world to do and he made that an ordeal for them.
His prickishness then had NOTHING to do with them rerecording old songs in 2008.

Not according to others here, who stated that the main reason they decided to re-record the classics was to say "Fuck you, Steve Perry."

I have to agree with them. I see no other reason for it. Like was said earlier, "Who in the fuck would want to buy Journey classics with a Steve Perry soundalike on them when you can still but them with Steve Perry on them?"

I have to agree with that assessment. So far I haven't heard any other valid explanation.

I guess we'll see in a few months if the albums start flying off the shelves or not.

I THOUHGHT I ANSWERED THIS QUESTION FOR YOU-Why'd you disregard the answer?

You gave your opinion on the matter, which most people here seem to disagree with.

[ProgRocker53]

This guy right here became a fan through Neal's guitar.

Yeah but you're a trip dude. You love generations, Red 13 and Arrival, and have Kip Winger...Kip Winger almost naked in your avatar.

Kip Winger is everything I want to be.

And believe it or not, my favorite albums after Journey are Escape and Frontiers.

[mistiejourney]

This guy right here became a fan through Neal's guitar.

Yeah but you're a trip dude. You love generations, Red 13 and Arrival, and have Kip Winger...Kip Winger almost naked in your avatar.

Kip Winger is everything I want to be.

And believe it or not, my favorite albums after Journey are Escape and Frontiers.

Um, and if you should turn into everything Kip Winger is, let me know!

[Rockindeano]

I will tell you this mistiejourney,

Kip Winger sucks.

[mistiejourney]

I can't type your name out or I will become enraged, so I will tell you this mistiejourney,

Kip Winger sucks.

Don't get enraged! Kip's nice to look at but he isn't worth that!

[ohsherrie]

Do you really think the cover of that CD is gonna say "Journey's greatest hits as sung by Arnel Pineda"?

IF THEY SAY, INTRODUCING NEW SINGER ARNEL PINEDA...IS THAT OK?

Well not to me because since I think Arnel and re-recording are appalling, but if they have that phrase appearing PROMENANTLY on the display and the front cover at least people will know they're buying a knock-off.

[bluejeangirl76]

d'oh. my bad. wrong thread.

[Red13JoePa]

Do you really think the cover of that CD is gonna say "Journey's greatest hits as sung by Arnel Pineda"?

IF THEY SAY, INTRODUCING NEW SINGER ARNEL PINEDA...IS THAT OK?

Well not to me because since I think Arnel and re-recording are appalling, but if they have that phrase appearing PROMENANTLY on the display and the front cover at least people will know they're buying a knock-off.

Judging by this arrogant theory, perry should be censured for not doing the right thing and having label include a personnel disclaimer on Raised On Radio.

[ohsherrie]

Do you really think the cover of that CD is gonna say "Journey's greatest hits as sung by Arnel Pineda"?

IF THEY SAY, INTRODUCING NEW SINGER ARNEL PINEDA...IS THAT OK?

Well not to me because since I think Arnel and re-recording are appalling, but if they have that phrase appearing PROMENANTLY on the display and the front cover at least people will know they're buying a knock-off.

Judging by this arrogant theory, perry should be censured for not doing the right thing and having label include a personnel disclaimer on Raised On Radio.

Not really, they weren't knocking off Journey's vocal identity with ROR. It had that.

[Red13JoePa]

More pomposity.

It's perfectly OK to "knock off" the bass and drums, BOTH of which had been there longer than "the vocal identity ( )" ?


I guess so, provided it was perry's idea.

For the record, I agree that there needn't have been a disclaimer for replacing Valory/Smith.
Just as there is no need for a disclaimer for Pineda now.

But you are selectively applying these requirements.

But the cold hard reality, though utterly grotesque in loondom, is that vocals are just another instrument and Journey has replaced what loons deem irreplaceable. Again.

[ohsherrie]

More pomposity.

It's perfectly OK to "knock off" the bass and drums, BOTH of which had been there longer than "the vocal identity ( )" ?


I guess so, provided it was perry's idea.

For the record, I agree that there needn't have been a disclaimer for replacing Valory/Smith.
Just as there is no need for a disclaimer for Pineda now.

But you are selectively applying these requirements

No, you're making this about band members rather than identity. Journey didn't have an identifying bass, drum, keyboard, or lead guitar sound until Steve's voice got them heard and recognized. But if you want to look at it that way, I don't recall them rerecording the GH with Jackson and Baird.

[Voyager]

But the cold hard reality, though utterly grotesque in loondom, is that vocals are just another instrument and Journey has replaced what loons deem irreplaceable. Again.

...and they're still cranking out the hits, right?

[Red13JoePa]

But the cold hard reality, though utterly grotesque in loondom, is that vocals are just another instrument and Journey has replaced what loons deem irreplaceable. Again.

...and they're still cranking out the hits, right?

Hey, do me a favor.

Hold your breath waiting for you boy's next hit, ok?

[ttango1]

thats' fine...I disagree with most people HERE anyways

You can think you're right and I can think I'm right...the truth will be somewhere in between.

[bluejeangirl76]

Do you really think the cover of that CD is gonna say "Journey's greatest hits as sung by Arnel Pineda"?

IF THEY SAY, INTRODUCING NEW SINGER ARNEL PINEDA...IS THAT OK?

Well not to me because since I think Arnel and re-recording are appalling, but if they have that phrase appearing PROMENANTLY on the display and the front cover at least people will know they're buying a knock-off.

Judging by this arrogant theory, perry should be censured for not doing the right thing and having label include a personnel disclaimer on Raised On Radio.

Joe I seriously motherfucking hate it when you have to throw logic into it.

You absolutely have a point, about the replacing thing. I'll agree on that.

But the one difference is that while yes, Perry replaced Smith and Valory, they used the new guys to record NEW material. Would there have been any point in bringing in Londin and Jackson to re-record Don't Stop Believin'? Of course not, just like there's NO point in using Arnel to do it.

Use Arnel to record the new material moving forward.
Not to redo everything that was already made successful 30 years ago.

[kgdjpubs]

Here's a question for everybody.... What if Perry came back, and they decided to re-record the best of the post-Perry era with Perry doing his thing and laying down vocals. I doubt ANYBODY on this board would have an issue with that.

or a better question...If Perry wanted to record a new cd, and formed a new band, and put out "Steve Perry sings the songs of Journey" as a studio release with his new band playing the songs, would you have a problem? Effectively, this is the same thing Journey is doing, but replacing the band instead of the voice. The outrage against the idea SHOULD be the same, but I have a feeling it wouldn't be.

Even better question....what if Journey said they were going to record what they thought was some of Journey's most under-rated tracks that were not hits. Would anybody mind then? Is it the re-recording process in general that people have a problem with? or is it the re-recording of the famous songs? If Journey put out "Message of Love" or "Happy to Give" with Arnel on vocals, would there be an issue? My thoughts is that the re-recording in general isn't the issue, it is the messing with the memories attached to a radio hit.

In the end, Journey is a business, and the 0.002% of the fanbase that visits this board just doesn't have that much of an impact. if you were running a band and someone offered you--pick a random number...oh, $10 million + royalties to record your hits to sell in a prominent location that is highly visible, you would be an idiot to turn it down. It is simply a business decision. Any publicity is good publicity, and in two years, 99% of this board would have forgotten about it anyways--and probably never bought the thing. So that's 200 sales that Walmart lost. Do you really think they care one way or the other?!?!? If it was only going to sell 200 copies, they would have never agreed to the deal in the first place. In the grand scheme of things, look at it this way......2,000,000 copies sold OR 2,000,200 copies sold. As far as the band is concerned, the difference in royalties lost is enough to take them out to dinner at a nice place one night. Basically, it just doesn't matter.

btw, if the band is smart about this, they need to put a couple of the post-Perry era tracks on the greatest hits with Arnel doing vocals. They played enough of them at concerts to know which ones went over well with the audiences. It's fairly obvioud that the chances of a hit are slim to none in this day and age. What better way to expand the setlist than to "generate" a hit that was never played on radio...but everybody knows the song because they purchased the cd at Walmart?!?

[ttango1]

Here's a question for everybody.... What if Perry came back, and they decided to re-record the best of the post-Perry era with Perry doing his thing and laying down vocals. I doubt ANYBODY on this board would have an issue with that.

or a better question...If Perry wanted to record a new cd, and formed a new band, and put out "Steve Perry sings the songs of Journey" as a studio release with his new band playing the songs, would you have a problem? Effectively, this is the same thing Journey is doing, but replacing the band instead of the voice. The outrage against the idea SHOULD be the same, but I have a feeling it wouldn't be.

Even better question....what if Journey said they were going to record what they thought was some of Journey's most under-rated tracks that were not hits. Would anybody mind then? Is it the re-recording process in general that people have a problem with? or is it the re-recording of the famous songs? If Journey put out "Message of Love" or "Happy to Give" with Arnel on vocals, would there be an issue? My thoughts is that the re-recording in general isn't the issue, it is the messing with the memories attached to a radio hit.

In the end, Journey is a business, and the 0.002% of the fanbase that visits this board just doesn't have that much of an impact. if you were running a band and someone offered you--pick a random number...oh, $10 million + royalties to record your hits to sell in a prominent location that is highly visible, you would be an idiot to turn it down. It is simply a business decision. Any publicity is good publicity, and in two years, 99% of this board would have forgotten about it anyways--and probably never bought the thing. So that's 200 sales that Walmart lost. Do you really think they care one way or the other?!?!? If it was only going to sell 200 copies, they would have never agreed to the deal in the first place. In the grand scheme of things, look at it this way......2,000,000 copies sold OR 2,000,200 copies sold. As far as the band is concerned, the difference in royalties lost is enough to take them out to dinner at a nice place one night. Basically, it just doesn't matter.

btw, if the band is smart about this, they need to put a couple of the post-Perry era tracks on the greatest hits with Arnel doing vocals. They played enough of them at concerts to know which ones went over well with the audiences. It's fairly obvioud that the chances of a hit are slim to none in this day and age. What better way to expand the setlist than to "generate" a hit that was never played on radio...but everybody knows the song because they purchased the cd at Walmart?!?

Agree but there will be many who do not. It's too emotional for them

[Voyager]

But the cold hard reality, though utterly grotesque in loondom, is that vocals are just another instrument and Journey has replaced what loons deem irreplaceable. Again.

...and they're still cranking out the hits, right?

Hey, do me a favor.

Hold your breath waiting for you boy's next hit, ok?

No thanks. I had to put the bong away quite some time ago. Holding my breath while doing hits started affecting my memory.

[Red13JoePa]

Here's a question for everybody.... What if Perry came back, and they decided to re-record the best of the post-Perry era with Perry doing his thing and laying down vocals. I doubt ANYBODY on this board would have an issue with that.

What a post, SO right, too.

Suddenly "garbage" like Generations would be mentioned as a "masterpiece" like TBF.

Way it goes with the mob here.

[bluejeangirl76]

Here's a question for everybody.... What if Perry came back, and they decided to re-record the best of the post-Perry era with Perry doing his thing and laying down vocals. I doubt ANYBODY on this board would have an issue with that.

I would. Leave it alone, I don't care who sang it. Granted, I'm not real big on covers as it is, regardless of the band or singer in question, but especially when it was good the first time. Leave it be.

or a better question...If Perry wanted to record a new cd, and formed a new band, and put out "Steve Perry sings the songs of Journey" as a studio release with his new band playing the songs, would you have a problem?

Yes. Steve Perry knows better than to fuck with that material. He was good with it the first time around, he's not about to sit there and jack with trying to re-do it NOW, especially with a different band. He had the chance to do that by the way, but you don't see any Journey covers on his CDs do you?

But playing into the hypothetical of your post... if he did that, I'd be surprised and I'd question his sanity JUST as I'm currently questioning Journey's, unless there was a reason given. (and even then...)

Even better question....what if Journey said they were going to record what they thought was some of Journey's most under-rated tracks that were not hits. Would anybody mind then? Is it the re-recording process in general that people have a problem with? or is it the re-recording of the famous songs? If Journey put out "Message of Love" or "Happy to Give" with Arnel on vocals, would there be an issue?

Yes, Yes and Yes. It was fine the first time, leave it the fuck alone. That's my position.
The talk has been all about "the hits" because that's what has (apparently) been done.
But re-recording the lesser known (or UNknown, to some) tracks is the same thing.
Might as well just re-record the entire catalog while they're at it. Pointless.

[Rhiannon]

Armour potted meat too.

What the hell is wrong with a little spotted dog? C'mon, that's Virginia fare, and damn good on saltines with an RC.

Don't forget the Moon Pie for dessert.

Oh yumm... chocolate of course, not those nasty banana ones.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Perry clearly didn't think they'd be able to continue on without him AT ALL, or he would have made that agreement on re-recordings longer than 9 years. Well, Journey outlived Perry in the public eye, and now everyone is having a heart attack when Journey re-records Journey songs. Christ, I hope Perry is sending checks to all of you guys for "defending his honor" like this. Some of you sure get fired up for something you can't control and have no business in. Don't buy it if it somehow offends you. God forbid Journey wants a new generation to hear their songs with the singer they'll be seeing in concert.

[Andrew]

Here's a question for everybody.... What if Perry came back, and they decided to re-record the best of the post-Perry era with Perry doing his thing and laying down vocals. I doubt ANYBODY on this board would have an issue with that.

If Perry returned, only to do that, I would call it for what it would be - LAME!

In all honesty, the only reason there could be for re-recording hits is to feaure a new singer, or rework them acoustically or something like that.

New material is the way forward.

[hoagiepete]

I will tell you this mistiejourney,

Kip Winger sucks.

I'm a Republican...and that avatar sucks!

[Andrew]

BTW - Jouney just made a video for their new single.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

BTW - Jouney just made a video for their new single.

You can't leave us hanging like that! New single??? Video???